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Update - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Community
"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
In the meantime, MS's closure of their servers may well precipitate a domino effect on the leeches It's funny that you call the rest of usenet "leeches". MS has never declared its servers as being part of Usenet - it's simply allowed Usenet to leech posts ( it reduces bandwidth, after all), and feed responses to its own groups. To be part of Usenet, it would have had to acknowledged the UseNet protocols - which it never has done, AFAIK. It would also have needed to host other groups, which it certainly never has done. -- Noel Paton CrashFixPC Nil Carborundum Illegitemi www.crashfixpc.co.uk |
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Update - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Community
Noel Paton wrote:
It's funny that you call the rest of usenet "leeches". MS has never declared its servers as being part of Usenet - it's simply allowed Usenet to leech posts ( it reduces bandwidth, after all), and feed responses to its own groups. To be part of Usenet, it would have had to acknowledged the UseNet protocols - which it never has done, AFAIK. It would also have needed to host other groups, which it certainly never has done. In order for posts made via the Microsoft servers to appear on other news servers world-wide, Microsoft *must* arrange for peering with other servers. If such an arrangement was not in place, then I would not be able to see your post on the NNTP server I use (aioe.org). And you would not be able to see my reply to you, the one you are reading right now, unless the peering was bi-directional. And none of this could happen unless microsoft operated their own NNTP server, that fully impliments usenet NNTP message transport protocals. Further more, you can use any newsreader to access microsoft's nntp server directly, to read and post messages. Finally, if these posts really are "leeched" into and out of microsoft's servers, against microsoft's desire or intentions, then explain the following: ------------- http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p.../nwsgrppr.mspx Microsoft PressPass - Microsoft Announces Internet Newsgroups For Peer-to-Peer Discussions on Microsoft Products REDMOND, Wash., April 9, 1996 — Microsoft Corp. today announced the addition of no-charge Microsoft-sponsored NNTP newsgroups on the Internet to its family of Information Services offerings. This new service boosts Microsoft's Internet presence and further addresses customer demand for one-stop information and services over the Internet. Microsoft is investing in the newsgroups to create a community in which customers can share technical information about Microsoft products and technologies. Microsoft Newsgroups are scheduled to be live and accessible to customers on April 15, 1996, via the Support area of the Microsoft World Wide Web site (http://www.microsoft.com/support/). "Our goal is to provide accurate and timely information that is widely available and affordable for our customers, and the Internet newsgroups are one more way for us to meet this goal," said Linda Glenicki, general manager of AnswerPoint at Microsoft. "Customer discussion groups provide a rich source of technical information, and the increasing popularity of the Internet allows us to provide access to this information to a very broad set of customers." Microsoft Newsgroups on the Internet will replace Microsoft-sponsored forums on CompuServe as of April 20. CompuServe customers can easily link to the Microsoft support Web site and the newsgroups from the Microsoft Connection area on CompuServe. In addition, CompuServe will offer third-party forums on Microsoft products. Customers currently access the Microsoft Frequently Asked Questions, Knowledge Base, and Software Library more than 850,000 times per week on the Internet. The addition of Microsoft Newsgroups rounds out Microsoft's Internet offerings by providing an interactive environment for customers to send each other messages and responses about Microsoft products. Customers need only an NNTP-compatible newsgroup reader and Internet access to connect to Microsoft Newsgroups at no charge (Internet connection charges apply). Microsoft MVPs (most valuable professionals) will provide technical answers and foster the growth of the online community. Microsoft will stay involved in Microsoft Newsgroups, monitoring responses for accuracy and assisting MVPs as needed. The MVP program recognizes Microsoft customers who voluntarily assist others in customer-to-customer discussion areas. Microsoft MVPs come from a wide range of backgrounds and professions, yet they all share one key attribute: a willingness to give time, expertise and advice to enhance other customers' technical skills. "Being an MVP is a natural extension of my desire to help others solve their computing roadblocks," said Ross Pfaff, who was recognized as an MVP in August 1995. "Whether it's a mission-critical situation or a home-entertainment problem, assisting fellow computer users as an MVP allows me to give back some of what I've been given: knowledge and satisfaction." For more information on the MVP program or how to become an MVP, please see the About Support area of the Microsoft World Wide Web site (http://www.microsoft.com/supportnet/). Founded in 1975, Microsoft (NASDAQ "MSFT" ) is the worldwide leader in software for personal computers. The company offers a wide range of products and services for business and personal use, each designed with the mission of making it easier and more enjoyable for people to take advantage of the full power of personal computing every day. Microsoft is either a registered trademark or a trademark of Microsoft Corp. in the United States and/or other countries. |
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Update - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Community
Noel Paton wrote:
It would also have needed to host other groups, which it certainly never has done. Actually, no. This shows just how much you know about usenet. Anyone operating a usenet server can choose which newsgroups he will carry on his server. It's not uncommon for smaller operators to not carry the binary groups, for example, because of the bandwidth those groups consume, and the hard drive space needed for decent retention. Microsoft logically chooses to carry only the microsoft.public hierarchy of news groups on it's NNTP server(s). I suggest you read the following before you embarrass yourself further: http://www.microsoft.com/communities...sgroupfaq.mspx You can access microsoft's nntp server by pointing your news reader to msnews.microsoft.com (207.46.248.16). |
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Update - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Community
My first ROFL reply didn't make it! Ironic, really, in so many ways. So I'll
just leave this one at 'ROFL!' TGM "Joan Archer" wrote in message ... So that's why 98 Guy can't leave his newsgroup, hope he's got a big enough hanky when the time comes and he loses it g -- Joan Archer http://crossstitcher.webs.com/ "HRH The Example John Smith" wrote in message ... I'm reading this in Win7, but running (not right this very instant) Win2.03, WFW3.11, Win95a, Win98se, WinMe, Win2k, and XP three times (having removed Win95b, NT3.51 and NT4.0 as surplus to requirements). Also MS-DOS 5.00 and 6.22 (though haven't put 8.00 back...yet!) and DR-DOS 7.03. Basically I've set it up to demonstrate something of the evolution of the PC OS since Windows for the technically-inquisitive newbie. Users champion a particular Windows version because that was the one they were using when it all fell into place for them and the low-level panic in the background was finally overcome by the relief of understanding what they were doing. And they resisted moving on, like when old age hits and you turn Tory overnight in terror of the unpredicatable future. Thus the 98 groups remain viable, because they have so many shrinking violets still pretending to be engaged in something constructive as opposed to the circle jerk it really is. There is nothing particularly special about 98. Believe me. Signed Whoever I am this week. |
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Update - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Community
I think you must mean 'pop toaster'. But really the correct term is 'pop
tart'. "98 Guy" wrote in message ... Full-quoter and top-poaster Joan Archer wrote: So that's why 98 Guy can't leave his newsgroup, hope he's got a big enough hanky when the time comes and he loses it g I guess you don't realize that the microsoft.public set of newsgroups will continue on the world-wide usenet - even after microsoft shuts down it's NNTP server. Which isn't quite the same as 'acid queen'. But then you never did acid, did you. Walter Konkrite |
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Update - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Community
"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
usual drivel I suggest that you learn to read lawyerese, since you obviously have problems with English There is a world of difference between "made it available to anyone on the Usenet." and actually being 'part of Usenet'. Subtle - but definitely there (but then subtlety was never in your vocabulary , was it?). -- Noel Paton CrashFixPC Nil Carborundum Illegitemi www.crashfixpc.co.uk |
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Update - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Community
Noel Paton wrote:
I suggest that you learn to read lawyerese I suggest you quote specific statements that I make and refute them directly, instead of sweeping them under the carpet. To be part of Usenet, it would have had to acknowledged the UseNet protocols - which it never has done, AFAIK. It would also have needed to host other groups, which it certainly never has done. In order for posts made via the Microsoft servers to appear on other news servers world-wide, Microsoft *must* arrange for peering with other servers. If such an arrangement was not in place, then I would not be able to see your post on the NNTP server I use (aioe.org). And you would not be able to see my reply to you, the one you are reading right now, unless the peering was bi-directional. And none of this could happen unless microsoft operated their own NNTP server, that fully impliments usenet NNTP message transport protocals. Further more, you can use any newsreader to access microsoft's nntp server directly, to read and post messages. It would also have needed to host other groups, which it certainly never has done. Anyone operating a usenet server can choose which newsgroups he will carry on his server. It's not uncommon for smaller operators to not carry the binary groups, for example, because of the bandwidth those groups consume, and the hard drive space needed for decent retention. |
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Update - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Community
"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
Noel Paton wrote: I suggest that you learn to read lawyerese I suggest you quote specific statements that I make and refute them directly, instead of sweeping them under the carpet. - which is EXACTLY what you just did. I only have so much breath to waste on morons - you just exhausted it for a month or two. -- Noel Paton CrashFixPC Nil Carborundum Illegitemi www.crashfixpc.co.uk |
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Are you calling our Joanie a *tart*??? Gasp!!
Figgeroni "HRH The Example John Smith" wrote in message ... I think you must mean 'pop toaster'. But really the correct term is 'pop tart'. "98 Guy" wrote in message ... Full-quoter and top-poaster Joan Archer wrote: So that's why 98 Guy can't leave his newsgroup, hope he's got a big enough hanky when the time comes and he loses it g I guess you don't realize that the microsoft.public set of newsgroups will continue on the world-wide usenet - even after microsoft shuts down it's NNTP server. Which isn't quite the same as 'acid queen'. But then you never did acid, did you. Walter Konkrite |
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Update - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Community
You know what they say Figgs 'if the cap fits, pop it in the toaster and see
if it flys!' "Heather" wrote in message ... Are you calling our Joanie a *tart*??? Gasp!! Figgeroni "HRH The Example John Smith" wrote in message ... I think you must mean 'pop toaster'. But really the correct term is 'pop tart'. "98 Guy" wrote in message ... Full-quoter and top-poaster Joan Archer wrote: So that's why 98 Guy can't leave his newsgroup, hope he's got a big enough hanky when the time comes and he loses it g I guess you don't realize that the microsoft.public set of newsgroups will continue on the world-wide usenet - even after microsoft shuts down it's NNTP server. Which isn't quite the same as 'acid queen'. But then you never did acid, did you. Walter Konkrite |
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