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Old August 23rd 18, 06:07 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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What is the last version of Thunderbird that can be used in Win98se?

I have ver. 2.0.0.24. I have been using that for decades and never had a
need to upgrade. It does all I need, so why add more bloated crap.

I use gmail, and use their SMTP pop mail to get my email to TB. I no
longer have any web access, using ANY browser in Win98. Changing all the
web to HTTPS ended all my use of the web. Actually, losing the web was
not a big problem. Seems everyone is using facebook now anyhow, and I
absolutely hate FB and would not use it if they paid me. So, goodbye
web....

But now I am getting a constant error in Thunderbird that keeps saying I
dont have some security enabled. I looked in the settings and there is
no security enabled, but when I try to change it, it says that none of
them are usable.

I am sure that no versions made in recent years will load in Win98, but
maybe I can upgrade a few versions? Does anyone know if any newer
version will work? (Do they have better security features)?
Personally I could care less about security. All I do is chit chat with
a few friends and none of it has any secretive stuff. But I guess Google
has other ideas. They dont care who suffers, just as long as they can
control the internet. Soon, it will be much more secure, because no one
will be able to use it.

If I lose my email, I am finished with the internet completely. There is
no sense paying for service, when all I can use are the newsgroups, and
as everyone knows, the newsgroups are darn near dead.

Anyhow, I am just wondering if there is any way to upgrade TB. If not, I
guess I'll have to go back to the old fashioned methods of using the
telephone to contact friends, just like i have gone back to using the
books at the library to look stuff up, because I can no longer use the
web.

In a way, it's kind of funny. I was raised to use books to learn stuff,
and use the phone to contact friends. Then we were all given this
amazing tool called the internet to make life easier. It worked great
for about 2 decades. Now it's all been taken away from us. Or at least
from those of us who cant afford a new computer and pay $150 per month
to get high speed internet, which is the only way I can get anything
more than dialup.

And by the way, my flip phone used to have basic internet service. That
too no longer works. So, as far as I'm concerned, the internet is dead.



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Old August 24th 18, 08:29 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 22:14:03 GMT, Donald G. Davis
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- writes:

What is the last version of Thunderbird that can be used in Win98se?


I know nothing about Thunderbird, but if you have KernelEx installed
in your Win98SE, you can use Firefox up to version 3.6.28, which will
still operate with many basic Web sites (but not with recent YouTube
videos, or with HTML5; e.g., forget about internet banking or other
transactions involving secure communications). You'd be better off having
a dual-boot system with Windows 98SE and Windows XP with Firefox 48.0.2,
in which most secure Web sites will still work.


Thats exactly what I have installed. Kernel-Ex and FF 3.6.28

All the secure stuff used to be only for online banking and sites where
you have to enter a credit card (online shopping).

But almost all sites are secure now (https). We can thank ****ing Google
for that. From what i heard, they made it law, that all sites who do not
switch to the HTTPS, will no longer be allowed to be in Google's
searches. What I'd like to know is who the hell made Google OWNER of the
internet. So what we now have is a monopoly. The internet is owned by
Google and Facebook. And like all monopolies, once they assume
ownership, it all goes to hell, and that is preciesly what has happened.

I actually stopped using Google when I could still use the web, simply
because I got tired of all their bull****.

My computer is 19 years old, I doubt it would run XP. I do have another
computer that does have XP on it, but I have never been able to get a
usable connection on the modem. It connects, but I get that "spiral of
death". After 5 min, it's still connected but wont transfer data, and it
disconnects after 15 min or less.


If I lose my email, I am finished with the internet completely. There is
no sense paying for service, when all I can use are the newsgroups, and
as everyone knows, the newsgroups are darn near dead.


If you live in an area with a Sprint signal, and you have income
less than 200% of federal poverty guidelines, you might want to look up
PCsforPeople.com. This involves a one-time purchase of a tiny wireless
hotspot device, after which you can maintain wireless internet service for
$120 per year. Mine is not as fast as Centurylink DSL service (Sprint
gives only one-bar signal in my area), but it's much faster than dialup,
and has the big advantage that the device can be taken along when I
travel, and will work wherever the Sprint signal is available.


I dont know if we have Sprint around here. I know we have Verison. My
Tracfone uses Verison. I am on SSI (retired) and get little each month,
so I probably do qualify as far as income. That pcsforpeople.com sounds
promising. $120 per year is a great price. Much less than what i pay for
dialup now. But I do get a very poor cell signal here. To make calls, I
usually have to walk up my hill. But I am aware of cellphone signal
boosters, and know i get a better signal on my roof, so I'd get one of
them if I could get this service.

I will have to wait till I go to someone's home to look at their web
though. I just tried to load it, and it's https, so it aint gonna load.

And by the way, my flip phone used to have basic internet service. That
too no longer works. So, as far as I'm concerned, the internet is dead.


If you qualify under the low-income requirement and live in an area
with Sprint signals, you may want to look into Qlink.com, which offers
*free* smartphones and accounts with up to 1,000 minutes per month in many
areas. The phone will connect to the internet wherever there's an open
WiFi signal, and does include a browser, though I find it quite hard to
use because it's very difficult to type on the tiny touchscreen keyboard.
But the free phone service alone is more than worth having, compared to
the $100 per year I was formerly paying for a flip-phone account.

--Donald Davis


My flip phone service is free. I gt it from Safelink, which is really
Tracfone. I qualify by my low income. I get 500 min per month, and
rarely use more than 50 min. When I could use the internet on that
phone, I would use more. But that internet was very limited. What I miss
most was getting weather radar maps when I am on the go.

I actually have an android smartphone, which would qualify for Tracfone.
I can use it at a WIFI, but like you said, those tiny keys are hard to
use, and I really find android very senior unfriendly. Without a mouse,
it's extremely hard to use. I decided that for my phone, I'd just stick
with the flip phone.

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I have ver. 2.0.0.24. I have been using that for decades and never had a
need to upgrade. It does all I need, so why add more bloated crap.


I use gmail, and use their SMTP pop mail to get my email to TB. I no
longer have any web access, using ANY browser in Win98. Changing all the
web to HTTPS ended all my use of the web. Actually, losing the web was
not a big problem. Seems everyone is using facebook now anyhow, and I
absolutely hate FB and would not use it if they paid me. So, goodbye
web....


But now I am getting a constant error in Thunderbird that keeps saying I
dont have some security enabled. I looked in the settings and there is
no security enabled, but when I try to change it, it says that none of
them are usable.


I am sure that no versions made in recent years will load in Win98, but
maybe I can upgrade a few versions? Does anyone know if any newer
version will work? (Do they have better security features)?
Personally I could care less about security. All I do is chit chat with
a few friends and none of it has any secretive stuff. But I guess Google
has other ideas. They dont care who suffers, just as long as they can
control the internet. Soon, it will be much more secure, because no one
will be able to use it.


If I lose my email, I am finished with the internet completely. There is
no sense paying for service, when all I can use are the newsgroups, and
as everyone knows, the newsgroups are darn near dead.


Anyhow, I am just wondering if there is any way to upgrade TB. If not, I
guess I'll have to go back to the old fashioned methods of using the
telephone to contact friends, just like i have gone back to using the
books at the library to look stuff up, because I can no longer use the
web.


In a way, it's kind of funny. I was raised to use books to learn stuff,
and use the phone to contact friends. Then we were all given this
amazing tool called the internet to make life easier. It worked great
for about 2 decades. Now it's all been taken away from us. Or at least
from those of us who cant afford a new computer and pay $150 per month
to get high speed internet, which is the only way I can get anything
more than dialup.


And by the way, my flip phone used to have basic internet service. That
too no longer works. So, as far as I'm concerned, the internet is dead.




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Old August 24th 18, 09:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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- wrote:
I have ver. 2.0.0.24. I have been using that for decades and never had a
need to upgrade. It does all I need, so why add more bloated crap.
[snip]
But now I am getting a constant error in Thunderbird that keeps saying I
dont have some security enabled. I looked in the settings and there is
no security enabled, but when I try to change it, it says that none of
them are usable.

I am sure that no versions made in recent years will load in Win98, but
maybe I can upgrade a few versions? Does anyone know if any newer
version will work? (Do they have better security features)?
Personally I could care less about security. All I do is chit chat with
a few friends and none of it has any secretive stuff. But I guess Google
has other ideas. They dont care who suffers, just as long as they can
control the internet. Soon, it will be much more secure, because no one
will be able to use it.


I don't know much about Thunderbird, but chances are that Google requires
TLS 1.1 or 1.2 as a minimum for encrypted connections (and has obviously
decided to no longer allow unencrypted connections).

Wikipedia's page on TLS lists the compatibility of web browsers. TLS 1.1
and 1.2 are shown as supported from Firefox Version 27. Thunderbird is
based heavily on Firefox, so the next version after Firefox 27 was
released (Feb. 2014) should also handle TLS 1.1 and 1.2.

The following links confirm that Thunderbird received support at the
same time as Firefox:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733647
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=861266
Yes, they're HTTPS so you probably can't check them. I just like to
include these things for the record.

The Thunderbird version with support is probably V. 28, but V. 31 would
likely be better because 28 was a beta release.

If you can't run Firefox 27 and view HTTPS sites using TLS 1.1 or 1.2,
I'd be doubtful that you'd get Thunderbird 28 or later working. On the
other hand, if you can get Thunderbird 31 working with Kernel Ex, you'll
probably also be able to get Firefox 27 installed as well and view
websites again.

Another option is to use web mail and find a new email server with a
website that suits your browser. Many of the interfaces that can be
chosen at safe-mail.net should work well in FF 3.6, and they still
allow TLS 1.0 connections (disable SSL 3.0 support in the settings
(Advanced Encryption) if you have trouble). You only get a 3MB
inbox for free accounts though.


By the way, my current HTTP web proxy is:
http://www.youtubeproxy.pw/
This works in Firefox V. 2:
http://www.youtubeproxy.pw/beta
Just in case you finally decide to give proxies a try...


Wikipedia pages referenced for version information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transp...y#Web_browsers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_version_history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...la_Thunderbird
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Old August 24th 18, 11:37 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Donald,

Windows XP with Firefox 48.0.2 in which most secure
Web sites will still work.


Any reason for that, and not an earlier/later version ?

FYI, I have v52 installed (on XP), and *really* don't like it that it tries
to phone home every time I start it - nor the ammount of (sometimes
guess)work involved to disable other phone home stuff. So, I would not
mind using an earlier version which does not have as many "you must want to
have this" (which I don't) features.

The biggest problem however is that there seems to be *absolutily zero* in
regard to a feature/comparision sheet, meaning that, most important, I
cannot even check which encryption levels are supported by which version
(and thus have no idea how far back I can go, version wise, without loosing
connectivity).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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Old August 24th 18, 08:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Donald,

Windows XP with Firefox 48.0.2 in which most secure
Web sites will still work.


Any reason for that, and not an earlier/later version ?


FF 48.0.2 ... seems to be the highest version I can install.

Ah, thataway. Bummer, I had hoped you knew something abut FF I didn't,
enabling me to "downgrade" a bit.

Thanks for the reply though

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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Old August 24th 18, 10:50 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2018 16:15:03 GMT, Donald G. Davis
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On FF 42, most recent YouTube videos wouldn't play. I've never



Guess who owns Youtube?
Yep, it's Google.

Once again Google is dictating how we use the internet, and forcing all
of us to spend money on new hardware to satisfy their demands.

Heck, I can play MP4 files on Win98 easily. The only reason Youtube
wants all the new software is so they can popup more ads to ruin our
enjoyment of the videos on youtube.

The time has come to stop using all Google sites. Unfortunately most
young people dont care as lomg as they can watch their crap videos on
their smartphones. Either way, Google has destroyed the internet, along
with Facebook.

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On Fri, 24 Aug 2018 08:35:10 +0000 (UTC), Computer Nerd Kev
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Another option is to use web mail and find a new email server with a
website that suits your browser. Many of the interfaces that can be
chosen at safe-mail.net should work well in FF 3.6, and they still
allow TLS 1.0 connections (disable SSL 3.0 support in the settings
(Advanced Encryption) if you have trouble). You only get a 3MB
inbox for free accounts though.


Thanks for that link. I have been wanting to find another email server.
Although I'd prefer using software like Tbird, I really want to get rid
of gmail, simply because it's Google. So I can live with onlline webmail
as long as my browser will read it. 3mb should be find since I only send
text messages, and an occaisonal small photo. I always reduce photo size
using Paint Shop Pro, because on dialup a 1mb or larger photo takes
forever to send.

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Old August 25th 18, 01:42 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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R.Wieser wrote:
Donald,

Windows XP with Firefox 48.0.2 in which most secure
Web sites will still work.


Any reason for that, and not an earlier/later version ?

FYI, I have v52 installed (on XP), and *really* don't like it that it tries
to phone home every time I start it - nor the ammount of (sometimes
guess)work involved to disable other phone home stuff. So, I would not
mind using an earlier version which does not have as many "you must want to
have this" (which I don't) features.


They have added more and more junk in over time (though at least,
unlike Chrome, you can disable it in about:config _if_ you can
find the setting to change), however even my old FF V. 2 install
(on Linux, my w98 install is offline-only (albeit on the same PC
that I'm posting this from, using Linux)) tries to phone home.
The funny thing is that mozilla.org also now requires an encryption
protocol that it doesn't support, so it ends up triggering an
error window to pop up. I have managed to disable that fully in
about:config now, though I thought I'd already done so before the
error messages started telling me otherwise.

On a more modern Linux distro (on a more modern PC) I'm running
the latest FF 52 ESR (52.9). They're going to stop supporting
V. 52 ESR on the 5th of Sep., so then I'll move up to V. 60(?)
which uses a whole new engine and apparantly changes the interface
and add-ons system. Time will tell whether the pros counter the
cons with all that, and both have been reported widely by now.
At a guess though, I'd be worried about whether it will work on
XP due to the new rendering engine (and how likely it is that
they would have made any effort for XP support when developing
it).

The biggest problem however is that there seems to be *absolutily zero* in
regard to a feature/comparision sheet, meaning that, most important, I
cannot even check which encryption levels are supported by which version
(and thus have no idea how far back I can go, version wise, without loosing
connectivity).


This has been my valued reference for such matters, already used in
this thread:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transp...y#Web_browsers

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Old August 25th 18, 02:31 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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What is the last version of Thunderbird that can be used in Win98se?


You might want to look at Netscape 7.2 (and/or Netscape 9) and see if
that will work for you. I'm posting this from Netscape 7.2

Also, note this: I can pull imap email from gmail using outlook 2000 on
win-98se. You have to tell gmail to allow the use of unapproved devices
or software (there is a setting in the gmail control panel for that). I
could probably find a way to post a link where you can download the
Office 2k-Pro suite if you want to try outlook.

I have Thunderbird installed on a win-7 laptop and find that it does a
horrible job of deducing the correct time that an email was sent, so
sorting messages by date/time is usually screwed up.

If you run KernelEx (I think you said that you do) then you can install
and run Opera 12.02 (the only version of 12 that will run on win-98 with
Kex). This should allow you to browse some sites that FF 2.0.0.20 can't.

I continue to use FF2 as my default browser. One trick for viewing pages
that don't seem to load or display properly is to select View,
Page-Style, and select No Style. For me, this ends up rendering the
text that I want to read that was either poorly formatted or invisible
using the default Basic Page Style.

I also have the mvps hosts file on all my PC's, and on my win-98 pc I
have added to it extensively. For my FF2 browser I use the addons
BlockSite 1.0.3, Nuke Anything Enhanced 1.0.2, Remember Mismatched
Domains 1.4.6, and Yesscript 1.7.
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Old August 25th 18, 10:34 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Kev,

They have added more and more junk in over time


Yep. Partly "feature creep", mixed with some "advertisement friendly" crap.

though at least, unlike Chrome, you can disable it in about:config
_if_ you can find the setting to change


Yep again. I'm not even sure which changes I made influence which phone
home connections.

On a more modern Linux distro (on a more modern PC) I'm running
the latest FF 52 ESR (52.9).


I'm running 52.5 here (downloaded 4 months ago), on XP.

They're going to stop supporting V. 52 ESR on the 5th of Sep., so then
I'll move up to V. 60(?)

...
At a guess though, I'd be worried about whether it will work on
XP


As far as I know 52 is the last verson that runs on XP.

This has been my valued reference for such matters, already used
in this thread:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transp...y#Web_browsers


Whooperdiedoop! My thanks for that. :-D

strikethru
Looking at that chart I can see FF 60.x ESR (you referred to) is mentioned
there (supporting TLS 1.3), but am fully unsure how to interpret it (if it
will actually run on XP - even though the next columns seems to say so).

And are you perhaps aware of, for FF, a comparision chart showing which
"junk"/features/buildin advertising-friendly crap each version has (getting
a newer encryption is good, but what is it going to cost me) ?
/strikethru

I just remembered that being able to use certain plugins (RequestPolicy and
GreaseMonkey) is pretty-much a deal-breaker to me. A quick peek showed me
that RequestPolicy doesn't seem to work on v57+ ...

Bummer. TLS 1.3 would be handy to have.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


 




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