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Looking for a graphics driver solution for my Radeon 3850
I think the Directx problem is not related to OS or itself; it is related to
games. I've read and faced so many probles with first two games of the series. The main problem is that: anyhow, playing speed of Commandos: Behind Enemy Lines directly related to CPU speed. Speed of gameplay increases as per CPU power; if you have a dual-core 3.0 Ghz processor, everthing is in the game moves at incredible speeds which makes game unplayable. There are various ways to slow your expensive CPU down; there are lots of utilities for that. But the are not aiming one specific program; it affects all system. I am aware of the golden rule: "do not touch a running system". I will not install some 250 kb exes to slow down my CPU speed; since I do not know the consquences. I read that some guy made a special program to slow down the game; another one says that program it ruined the graphics card someway, hence skipping. The games require only 200 hz processor power, just like Windows 9x. I know there are drivers for XP for my graphics card. Bu as I said above I do not know the consequences I have no idea what would be happen if I try to use XP with a 200 hz CPU even in a virtual drive. Maybe I should go to my summer house, find that old PC, bring it home and play the game, it would be much more easy way to follow... -- sabun, gereksiz işler şerifi. "Don Phillipson" , iletide şunu yazdı ... "sabun" wrote in message ... Then I have face a greater problem; I could not installed DirectX ! I have tried each and every version of DirectX; from 6.0 to 9.0c. I seems every installation was ok; but whenever I tried to run games two different error messages salutes me; "I can not find Directx 5" (a unique error log for Commandos: BEL) and more common "Directx Initialization Error" for Commandos: COD) DirectX v.9 runs OK under Win98 (with Radeon 9200SE adapter) (not in a Virtual Machine: for this shell you may get better help in a WinXP NG.) -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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Looking for a graphics driver solution for my Radeon 3850
I think the Directx problem is not related to OS or itself; it is related to
games. I've read and faced so many probles with first two games of the series. The main problem is that: anyhow, playing speed of Commandos: Behind Enemy Lines directly related to CPU speed. Speed of gameplay increases as per CPU power; if you have a dual-core 3.0 Ghz processor, everthing is in the game moves at incredible speeds which makes game unplayable. There are various ways to slow your expensive CPU down; there are lots of utilities for that. But the are not aiming one specific program; it affects all system. I am aware of the golden rule: "do not touch a running system". I will not install some 250 kb exes to slow down my CPU speed; since I do not know the consquences. I read that some guy made a special program to slow down the game; another one says that program it ruined the graphics card someway, hence skipping. The games require only 200 hz processor power, just like Windows 9x. I know there are drivers for XP for my graphics card. Bu as I said above I do not know the consequences I have no idea what would be happen if I try to use XP with a 200 hz CPU even in a virtual drive. Maybe I should go to my summer house, find that old PC, bring it home and play the game, it would be much more easy way to follow... -- sabun, gereksiz işler şerifi. "Don Phillipson" , iletide şunu yazdı ... "sabun" wrote in message ... Then I have face a greater problem; I could not installed DirectX ! I have tried each and every version of DirectX; from 6.0 to 9.0c. I seems every installation was ok; but whenever I tried to run games two different error messages salutes me; "I can not find Directx 5" (a unique error log for Commandos: BEL) and more common "Directx Initialization Error" for Commandos: COD) DirectX v.9 runs OK under Win98 (with Radeon 9200SE adapter) (not in a Virtual Machine: for this shell you may get better help in a WinXP NG.) -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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Looking for a graphics driver solution for my Radeon 3850
sabun wrote:
I think the Directx problem is not related to OS or itself; it is related to games. I've read and faced so many probles with first two games of the series. The main problem is that: anyhow, playing speed of Commandos: Behind Enemy Lines directly related to CPU speed. Speed of gameplay increases as per CPU power; if you have a dual-core 3.0 Ghz processor, everthing is in the game moves at incredible speeds which makes game unplayable. [Glad you found the generic, usable driver] You may be running across similar problems to issues in Wine, and some other VM and/or emulators. Using DirectX and like, requires some tweaks to make it work properly. One item found, is that the 8+ series sub-versions of DirectX have been fully tested [for the most part] and allowed for, whereas when running the 9X activities, the DirectX 9.0 versions and allowances are a bit flaky. Even some games balk when using 9.0,; designed for more for 6.0 or 7.0 and which 8.0 was still compatible. Yes, I am familiar with the speed issues, and you are somewhat correct regarding affecting the whole system, including graphics, since it is part of the "speed" of the game. IIRC, these speed reducers generally work on the code execution speed, adding pauses or similar... so naturally these also affect graphics. But I seem to remember that the early Commandos had a software video driver available{?}, which actually worked well with faster processors as a work around [negating hardware acceleration, thereby slowing the speed]. And wasn't there a setting within the setup/options to slow game speed directly [maybe that was a commandline option]? Sorry, I don't have those installed now, nor have I installed them for some time [and no room to do so presently]. I think I used to run these on faster systems using Game Guru maybe, which had a number of tweaks for various games and systems available... There are various ways to slow your expensive CPU down; there are lots of utilities for that. But the are not aiming one specific program; it affects all system. I am aware of the golden rule: "do not touch a running system". I will not install some 250 kb exes to slow down my CPU speed; since I do not know the consquences. I read that some guy made a special program to slow down the game; another one says that program it ruined the graphics card someway, hence skipping. The games require only 200 hz processor power, just like Windows 9x. I know there are drivers for XP for my graphics card. Bu as I said above I do not know the consequences I have no idea what would be happen if I try to use XP with a 200 hz CPU even in a virtual drive. Maybe I should go to my summer house, find that old PC, bring it home and play the game, it would be much more easy way to follow... And that isn't a bad idea; a dedicated 9X games and applications machine. Strip it of any Internet junk, don't connect to the Internet or network and simply have fun. Remember, Microsoft touted the 9X platform as *the* GAMING OS... hundreds of games designed for it - and even older DOS games still usable... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___--- |
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Looking for a graphics driver solution for my Radeon 3850
sabun wrote:
I think the Directx problem is not related to OS or itself; it is related to games. I've read and faced so many probles with first two games of the series. The main problem is that: anyhow, playing speed of Commandos: Behind Enemy Lines directly related to CPU speed. Speed of gameplay increases as per CPU power; if you have a dual-core 3.0 Ghz processor, everthing is in the game moves at incredible speeds which makes game unplayable. [Glad you found the generic, usable driver] You may be running across similar problems to issues in Wine, and some other VM and/or emulators. Using DirectX and like, requires some tweaks to make it work properly. One item found, is that the 8+ series sub-versions of DirectX have been fully tested [for the most part] and allowed for, whereas when running the 9X activities, the DirectX 9.0 versions and allowances are a bit flaky. Even some games balk when using 9.0,; designed for more for 6.0 or 7.0 and which 8.0 was still compatible. Yes, I am familiar with the speed issues, and you are somewhat correct regarding affecting the whole system, including graphics, since it is part of the "speed" of the game. IIRC, these speed reducers generally work on the code execution speed, adding pauses or similar... so naturally these also affect graphics. But I seem to remember that the early Commandos had a software video driver available{?}, which actually worked well with faster processors as a work around [negating hardware acceleration, thereby slowing the speed]. And wasn't there a setting within the setup/options to slow game speed directly [maybe that was a commandline option]? Sorry, I don't have those installed now, nor have I installed them for some time [and no room to do so presently]. I think I used to run these on faster systems using Game Guru maybe, which had a number of tweaks for various games and systems available... There are various ways to slow your expensive CPU down; there are lots of utilities for that. But the are not aiming one specific program; it affects all system. I am aware of the golden rule: "do not touch a running system". I will not install some 250 kb exes to slow down my CPU speed; since I do not know the consquences. I read that some guy made a special program to slow down the game; another one says that program it ruined the graphics card someway, hence skipping. The games require only 200 hz processor power, just like Windows 9x. I know there are drivers for XP for my graphics card. Bu as I said above I do not know the consequences I have no idea what would be happen if I try to use XP with a 200 hz CPU even in a virtual drive. Maybe I should go to my summer house, find that old PC, bring it home and play the game, it would be much more easy way to follow... And that isn't a bad idea; a dedicated 9X games and applications machine. Strip it of any Internet junk, don't connect to the Internet or network and simply have fun. Remember, Microsoft touted the 9X platform as *the* GAMING OS... hundreds of games designed for it - and even older DOS games still usable... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___--- |
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Looking for a graphics driver solution for my Radeon 3850
"sabun" wrote in message ...
Thanks for your replies... @MEB: @Bill; Latest Radeon drivers for Win98/ME give support up to Radeon 9800; since my HD 3850 belongs to next generation I cannot use them. Furthermore, there is a driver named "Radeon Series" fails on installation. If you mean within the 98 VM, then that's expected as the virtual machine does not control the physical video adapter. Think about it.. how would the host OS and the virtual guest OS be able to use two different adapters. VMWare is painting the screen the same way any other windows program does. If you get only "16 colors" it's because the guest OS doesn't have the correct settings or isn't properly configured for its virtual adapter. And that could be drivers, but not the drivers you need for the physical hardware. The virtual machine uses emulated hardware. Lately (It was 0300 in the night, btw) I have discovered "VMWare add-ons; a generic graphics dirver gives support to higher resolutions and deeper colors. There it is :-). A better driver for the virtual hardware. |
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Looking for a graphics driver solution for my Radeon 3850
"sabun" wrote in message ...
Thanks for your replies... @MEB: @Bill; Latest Radeon drivers for Win98/ME give support up to Radeon 9800; since my HD 3850 belongs to next generation I cannot use them. Furthermore, there is a driver named "Radeon Series" fails on installation. If you mean within the 98 VM, then that's expected as the virtual machine does not control the physical video adapter. Think about it.. how would the host OS and the virtual guest OS be able to use two different adapters. VMWare is painting the screen the same way any other windows program does. If you get only "16 colors" it's because the guest OS doesn't have the correct settings or isn't properly configured for its virtual adapter. And that could be drivers, but not the drivers you need for the physical hardware. The virtual machine uses emulated hardware. Lately (It was 0300 in the night, btw) I have discovered "VMWare add-ons; a generic graphics dirver gives support to higher resolutions and deeper colors. There it is :-). A better driver for the virtual hardware. |
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Looking for a graphics driver solution for my Radeon 3850
Bill Blanton wrote:
"sabun" wrote in message ... Thanks for your replies... @MEB: @Bill; Latest Radeon drivers for Win98/ME give support up to Radeon 9800; since my HD 3850 belongs to next generation I cannot use them. Furthermore, there is a driver named "Radeon Series" fails on installation. If you mean within the 98 VM, then that's expected as the virtual machine does not control the physical video adapter. Think about it.. how would the host OS and the virtual guest OS be able to use two different adapters. VMWare is painting the screen the same way any other windows program does. If you get only "16 colors" it's because the guest OS doesn't have the correct settings or isn't properly configured for its virtual adapter. And that could be drivers, but not the drivers you need for the physical hardware. The virtual machine uses emulated hardware. Lately (It was 0300 in the night, btw) I have discovered "VMWare add-ons; a generic graphics dirver gives support to higher resolutions and deeper colors. There it is :-). A better driver for the virtual hardware. Cool, so can he then perhaps setup a lower speed for the emulated processor? Or do you know of some way that might work with the speed issue? -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___--- |
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Looking for a graphics driver solution for my Radeon 3850
Bill Blanton wrote:
"sabun" wrote in message ... Thanks for your replies... @MEB: @Bill; Latest Radeon drivers for Win98/ME give support up to Radeon 9800; since my HD 3850 belongs to next generation I cannot use them. Furthermore, there is a driver named "Radeon Series" fails on installation. If you mean within the 98 VM, then that's expected as the virtual machine does not control the physical video adapter. Think about it.. how would the host OS and the virtual guest OS be able to use two different adapters. VMWare is painting the screen the same way any other windows program does. If you get only "16 colors" it's because the guest OS doesn't have the correct settings or isn't properly configured for its virtual adapter. And that could be drivers, but not the drivers you need for the physical hardware. The virtual machine uses emulated hardware. Lately (It was 0300 in the night, btw) I have discovered "VMWare add-ons; a generic graphics dirver gives support to higher resolutions and deeper colors. There it is :-). A better driver for the virtual hardware. Cool, so can he then perhaps setup a lower speed for the emulated processor? Or do you know of some way that might work with the speed issue? -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___--- |
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Looking for a graphics driver solution for my Radeon 3850
"MEB" wrote in message ...
Bill Blanton wrote: "sabun" wrote in message ... Thanks for your replies... @MEB: @Bill; Latest Radeon drivers for Win98/ME give support up to Radeon 9800; since my HD 3850 belongs to next generation I cannot use them. Furthermore, there is a driver named "Radeon Series" fails on installation. If you mean within the 98 VM, then that's expected as the virtual machine does not control the physical video adapter. Think about it.. how would the host OS and the virtual guest OS be able to use two different adapters. VMWare is painting the screen the same way any other windows program does. If you get only "16 colors" it's because the guest OS doesn't have the correct settings or isn't properly configured for its virtual adapter. And that could be drivers, but not the drivers you need for the physical hardware. The virtual machine uses emulated hardware. Lately (It was 0300 in the night, btw) I have discovered "VMWare add-ons; a generic graphics dirver gives support to higher resolutions and deeper colors. There it is :-). A better driver for the virtual hardware. Cool, so can he then perhaps setup a lower speed for the emulated processor? Or do you know of some way that might work with the speed issue? I don't know as much about VMWare as Virtual PC, but in VPC the processor is a special case of sorts, and is not fully emulated. The virtual OS basically runs full out on the physical CPU. (That is, as much as the host OS allows any program, taking into account CPU time slice distributions.) I don't know what effect it would have to install a program inside the VM that would "slow" the processor. I suspect it would work and it's definetly worth a try. It can't harm anything. Certainly not the physical hardware. Just back up the VM or don't "save it", if it gets trashed. |
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Looking for a graphics driver solution for my Radeon 3850
"MEB" wrote in message ...
Bill Blanton wrote: "sabun" wrote in message ... Thanks for your replies... @MEB: @Bill; Latest Radeon drivers for Win98/ME give support up to Radeon 9800; since my HD 3850 belongs to next generation I cannot use them. Furthermore, there is a driver named "Radeon Series" fails on installation. If you mean within the 98 VM, then that's expected as the virtual machine does not control the physical video adapter. Think about it.. how would the host OS and the virtual guest OS be able to use two different adapters. VMWare is painting the screen the same way any other windows program does. If you get only "16 colors" it's because the guest OS doesn't have the correct settings or isn't properly configured for its virtual adapter. And that could be drivers, but not the drivers you need for the physical hardware. The virtual machine uses emulated hardware. Lately (It was 0300 in the night, btw) I have discovered "VMWare add-ons; a generic graphics dirver gives support to higher resolutions and deeper colors. There it is :-). A better driver for the virtual hardware. Cool, so can he then perhaps setup a lower speed for the emulated processor? Or do you know of some way that might work with the speed issue? I don't know as much about VMWare as Virtual PC, but in VPC the processor is a special case of sorts, and is not fully emulated. The virtual OS basically runs full out on the physical CPU. (That is, as much as the host OS allows any program, taking into account CPU time slice distributions.) I don't know what effect it would have to install a program inside the VM that would "slow" the processor. I suspect it would work and it's definetly worth a try. It can't harm anything. Certainly not the physical hardware. Just back up the VM or don't "save it", if it gets trashed. |
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