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Need Help With Defrag
I tried to defrag my second hard drive and part way thru it stopped with the
message that I didn't have enough memory and that I should shut down something and try again. Since I had shut down everything except Explore and Sys tray, I think I just have too many files of my wife's sewing, quilting, embroidery etc. Once before when this happened I just deleted some of the files, defragged, and then reloaded the files. My problem is that my C drive went from 5g to 19g and I cannot find where defrag put the extra 14g. I didn't even realize that it copied my D drive to my C drive during the defrag. Question is, how do I find what defrag did to my C drive while trying to defrag my D drive and how do I get rid of it? Thanks for your help. Phil |
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If you had included the exact error message, I could have provided a more
precise answer. Go to the link below and be sure to review the articles that are referred to. See the defrag troubleshooter located he http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/defrag.html -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "her hubby" wrote in message ... I tried to defrag my second hard drive and part way thru it stopped with the message that I didn't have enough memory and that I should shut down something and try again. Since I had shut down everything except Explore and Sys tray, I think I just have too many files of my wife's sewing, quilting, embroidery etc. Once before when this happened I just deleted some of the files, defragged, and then reloaded the files. My problem is that my C drive went from 5g to 19g and I cannot find where defrag put the extra 14g. I didn't even realize that it copied my D drive to my C drive during the defrag. Question is, how do I find what defrag did to my C drive while trying to defrag my D drive and how do I get rid of it? Thanks for your help. Phil |
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Ron, I had already looked at your site but it does not say anything about
getting rid of the 14g added to my C drive. Will it be okay to delete some data from my D drive and try again? Or will this cause more problems? I am hoping that if I try again with less data on the D drive that it will overwrite the file it created and then delete it when it finishes. Yes, no, maybe? Thanks Phil "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... If you had included the exact error message, I could have provided a more precise answer. Go to the link below and be sure to review the articles that are referred to. See the defrag troubleshooter located he http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/defrag.html -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "her hubby" wrote in message ... I tried to defrag my second hard drive and part way thru it stopped with the message that I didn't have enough memory and that I should shut down something and try again. Since I had shut down everything except Explore and Sys tray, I think I just have too many files of my wife's sewing, quilting, embroidery etc. Once before when this happened I just deleted some of the files, defragged, and then reloaded the files. My problem is that my C drive went from 5g to 19g and I cannot find where defrag put the extra 14g. I didn't even realize that it copied my D drive to my C drive during the defrag. Question is, how do I find what defrag did to my C drive while trying to defrag my D drive and how do I get rid of it? Thanks for your help. Phil |
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You need to provide the exact error message and provide complete details on
the 14 gb: how big is the HD, what are you using to determine the amount of gb, etc. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "her hubby" wrote in message ... Ron, I had already looked at your site but it does not say anything about getting rid of the 14g added to my C drive. Will it be okay to delete some data from my D drive and try again? Or will this cause more problems? I am hoping that if I try again with less data on the D drive that it will overwrite the file it created and then delete it when it finishes. Yes, no, maybe? Thanks Phil "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... If you had included the exact error message, I could have provided a more precise answer. Go to the link below and be sure to review the articles that are referred to. See the defrag troubleshooter located he http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/defrag.html -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "her hubby" wrote in message ... I tried to defrag my second hard drive and part way thru it stopped with the message that I didn't have enough memory and that I should shut down something and try again. Since I had shut down everything except Explore and Sys tray, I think I just have too many files of my wife's sewing, quilting, embroidery etc. Once before when this happened I just deleted some of the files, defragged, and then reloaded the files. My problem is that my C drive went from 5g to 19g and I cannot find where defrag put the extra 14g. I didn't even realize that it copied my D drive to my C drive during the defrag. Question is, how do I find what defrag did to my C drive while trying to defrag my D drive and how do I get rid of it? Thanks for your help. Phil |
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First drive is 38g of which C is 30g for operating system, programs and some
data and E is Compaq System save of 8g. When I defragged this C drive it was 5.34G used. 2nd drive is also 38G and D drive is all data with no active programs. At the start of defrag it was 16.7g. Defrag of D drive got to the point of reading files and stopped with the standard message of "Your computer does not have enough free memory to defrag the drive. Quit one or more programs". I did not copy it but this is the message that was given. I had closed everything except explore and sys tray. I am thinking that the defrag problem is due to having many small files on the drive (over 300,000 sewing,quilting,embroidery,etc). This was a problem once before when it was over 450,000. When I go to my computer or use exploring and click on "C properties" it indicates that C is now 19.4g. This increase of 14g is the result of the defrag because nothing else was run. Does the defrag program create a file of what is to be defragged and then delete it if it runs to completion? If not, what could have created this increase and how do I find it and get rid of it? Thanks Phil "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... You need to provide the exact error message and provide complete details on the 14 gb: how big is the HD, what are you using to determine the amount of gb, etc. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "her hubby" wrote in message ... Ron, I had already looked at your site but it does not say anything about getting rid of the 14g added to my C drive. Will it be okay to delete some data from my D drive and try again? Or will this cause more problems? I am hoping that if I try again with less data on the D drive that it will overwrite the file it created and then delete it when it finishes. Yes, no, maybe? Thanks Phil "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... If you had included the exact error message, I could have provided a more precise answer. Go to the link below and be sure to review the articles that are referred to. See the defrag troubleshooter located he http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/defrag.html -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "her hubby" wrote in message ... I tried to defrag my second hard drive and part way thru it stopped with the message that I didn't have enough memory and that I should shut down something and try again. Since I had shut down everything except Explore and Sys tray, I think I just have too many files of my wife's sewing, quilting, embroidery etc. Once before when this happened I just deleted some of the files, defragged, and then reloaded the files. My problem is that my C drive went from 5g to 19g and I cannot find where defrag put the extra 14g. I didn't even realize that it copied my D drive to my C drive during the defrag. Question is, how do I find what defrag did to my C drive while trying to defrag my D drive and how do I get rid of it? Thanks for your help. Phil |
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First things first. Read this article:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=229154 I think you will find that the cluster size does not match the partition size. Find any file sized 1 kb or less on the D: partition, right click, properties, and see how much space the file takes on the drive (this is the cluster size--see chart below). This is indicated in the size area by listing the actual size and the size used. 4096 bytes = 4 kb and so on. When the improper cluster size is used for the size of the partition, you get the error message you saw. What you have to do is adjust the cluster size and without completely starting over, you will need a partitioning program to do so. I use: BootIt Next Generation is available from: http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/ and it does partitioning, makes a compressed image, does many other partitioning chores and is a boot manager. It is not quite as easy to use as Partition Magic but it is half the cost and has more features. Unlike the crippled PMagic demo, BING is a *full function* demo you can try for FREE for 30 days. The web site has a lot of support articles. Once you get this straightened out, run scandisk and defrag again on both drives. If you still have missing space, post back. Cluster size is the amount of space used to store a file. For example, if the cluster size is 16 kb, a 1 kb file will take up 16 kb of space on a hard drive. The 15 kb that is lost is known as slack space. The cluster size used by the system is determined by the size of the partition. Here is a chart that will give approximate space lost for an average user. .. Partition Size Cluster Typical Amount Size of Wasted Space Fat 32 512 MB - 8191 MB 4K 4% 8192 MB - 16383 MB 8K 10% 16384 MB - 32767 MB 16K 25% Larger than 32768 MB 32K 40% You will note that by having such a large partition, you are wasting tons of space if you have lots of smaller files. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "her hubby" wrote in message ... First drive is 38g of which C is 30g for operating system, programs and some data and E is Compaq System save of 8g. When I defragged this C drive it was 5.34G used. 2nd drive is also 38G and D drive is all data with no active programs. At the start of defrag it was 16.7g. Defrag of D drive got to the point of reading files and stopped with the standard message of "Your computer does not have enough free memory to defrag the drive. Quit one or more programs". I did not copy it but this is the message that was given. I had closed everything except explore and sys tray. I am thinking that the defrag problem is due to having many small files on the drive (over 300,000 sewing,quilting,embroidery,etc). This was a problem once before when it was over 450,000. When I go to my computer or use exploring and click on "C properties" it indicates that C is now 19.4g. This increase of 14g is the result of the defrag because nothing else was run. Does the defrag program create a file of what is to be defragged and then delete it if it runs to completion? If not, what could have created this increase and how do I find it and get rid of it? Thanks Phil "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... You need to provide the exact error message and provide complete details on the 14 gb: how big is the HD, what are you using to determine the amount of gb, etc. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "her hubby" wrote in message ... Ron, I had already looked at your site but it does not say anything about getting rid of the 14g added to my C drive. Will it be okay to delete some data from my D drive and try again? Or will this cause more problems? I am hoping that if I try again with less data on the D drive that it will overwrite the file it created and then delete it when it finishes. Yes, no, maybe? Thanks Phil "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... If you had included the exact error message, I could have provided a more precise answer. Go to the link below and be sure to review the articles that are referred to. See the defrag troubleshooter located he http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/defrag.html -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "her hubby" wrote in message ... I tried to defrag my second hard drive and part way thru it stopped with the message that I didn't have enough memory and that I should shut down something and try again. Since I had shut down everything except Explore and Sys tray, I think I just have too many files of my wife's sewing, quilting, embroidery etc. Once before when this happened I just deleted some of the files, defragged, and then reloaded the files. My problem is that my C drive went from 5g to 19g and I cannot find where defrag put the extra 14g. I didn't even realize that it copied my D drive to my C drive during the defrag. Question is, how do I find what defrag did to my C drive while trying to defrag my D drive and how do I get rid of it? Thanks for your help. Phil |
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I had read the article but it did not sink in until I got your explanation.
Thanks for helping an inexperienced old man. A test showed that 1kb,4kb or 6kb files each use 32768bytes. "You are running Windows on a very large hard disk that has a default Windows cluster size of 32 KB" If I read that right,what I should do is create some 10G partitions with 8kb clusters on the D drive for storing her data files. Will Partition Magic let me change cluster size and/or partition the drive into several partitions without losing the data on the drive? I have Partition Magic but have never used it. Thanks again. Phil "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... First things first. Read this article: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=229154 I think you will find that the cluster size does not match the partition size. Find any file sized 1 kb or less on the D: partition, right click, properties, and see how much space the file takes on the drive (this is the cluster size--see chart below). This is indicated in the size area by listing the actual size and the size used. 4096 bytes = 4 kb and so on. When the improper cluster size is used for the size of the partition, you get the error message you saw. What you have to do is adjust the cluster size and without completely starting over, you will need a partitioning program to do so. I use: BootIt Next Generation is available from: http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/ and it does partitioning, makes a compressed image, does many other partitioning chores and is a boot manager. It is not quite as easy to use as Partition Magic but it is half the cost and has more features. Unlike the crippled PMagic demo, BING is a *full function* demo you can try for FREE for 30 days. The web site has a lot of support articles. Once you get this straightened out, run scandisk and defrag again on both drives. If you still have missing space, post back. Cluster size is the amount of space used to store a file. For example, if the cluster size is 16 kb, a 1 kb file will take up 16 kb of space on a hard drive. The 15 kb that is lost is known as slack space. The cluster size used by the system is determined by the size of the partition. Here is a chart that will give approximate space lost for an average user. . Partition Size Cluster Typical Amount Size of Wasted Space Fat 32 512 MB - 8191 MB 4K 4% 8192 MB - 16383 MB 8K 10% 16384 MB - 32767 MB 16K 25% Larger than 32768 MB 32K 40% You will note that by having such a large partition, you are wasting tons of space if you have lots of smaller files. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "her hubby" wrote in message ... First drive is 38g of which C is 30g for operating system, programs and some data and E is Compaq System save of 8g. When I defragged this C drive it was 5.34G used. 2nd drive is also 38G and D drive is all data with no active programs. At the start of defrag it was 16.7g. Defrag of D drive got to the point of reading files and stopped with the standard message of "Your computer does not have enough free memory to defrag the drive. Quit one or more programs". I did not copy it but this is the message that was given. I had closed everything except explore and sys tray. I am thinking that the defrag problem is due to having many small files on the drive (over 300,000 sewing,quilting,embroidery,etc). This was a problem once before when it was over 450,000. When I go to my computer or use exploring and click on "C properties" it indicates that C is now 19.4g. This increase of 14g is the result of the defrag because nothing else was run. Does the defrag program create a file of what is to be defragged and then delete it if it runs to completion? If not, what could have created this increase and how do I find it and get rid of it? Thanks Phil "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... You need to provide the exact error message and provide complete details on the 14 gb: how big is the HD, what are you using to determine the amount of gb, etc. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "her hubby" wrote in message ... Ron, I had already looked at your site but it does not say anything about getting rid of the 14g added to my C drive. Will it be okay to delete some data from my D drive and try again? Or will this cause more problems? I am hoping that if I try again with less data on the D drive that it will overwrite the file it created and then delete it when it finishes. Yes, no, maybe? Thanks Phil "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... If you had included the exact error message, I could have provided a more precise answer. Go to the link below and be sure to review the articles that are referred to. See the defrag troubleshooter located he http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/defrag.html -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "her hubby" wrote in message ... I tried to defrag my second hard drive and part way thru it stopped with the message that I didn't have enough memory and that I should shut down something and try again. Since I had shut down everything except Explore and Sys tray, I think I just have too many files of my wife's sewing, quilting, embroidery etc. Once before when this happened I just deleted some of the files, defragged, and then reloaded the files. My problem is that my C drive went from 5g to 19g and I cannot find where defrag put the extra 14g. I didn't even realize that it copied my D drive to my C drive during the defrag. Question is, how do I find what defrag did to my C drive while trying to defrag my D drive and how do I get rid of it? Thanks for your help. Phil |
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Yes it will. The cluster size is correct for the size of the partition so
it appears you will have to make smaller partitions. What you will probably want to do is start at the back of the partition and make a slightly less then 8 gb (your choice on size--just keep it under 8 gb for maximum filing efficiency) partition by resizing the large one. When that is done, transfer about 7 gb of data (if necessary) to the new partition so you can then resize the original one and create another new partition. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "her hubby" wrote in message ... I had read the article but it did not sink in until I got your explanation. Thanks for helping an inexperienced old man. A test showed that 1kb,4kb or 6kb files each use 32768bytes. "You are running Windows on a very large hard disk that has a default Windows cluster size of 32 KB" If I read that right,what I should do is create some 10G partitions with 8kb clusters on the D drive for storing her data files. Will Partition Magic let me change cluster size and/or partition the drive into several partitions without losing the data on the drive? I have Partition Magic but have never used it. Thanks again. Phil "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... First things first. Read this article: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=229154 I think you will find that the cluster size does not match the partition size. Find any file sized 1 kb or less on the D: partition, right click, properties, and see how much space the file takes on the drive (this is the cluster size--see chart below). This is indicated in the size area by listing the actual size and the size used. 4096 bytes = 4 kb and so on. When the improper cluster size is used for the size of the partition, you get the error message you saw. What you have to do is adjust the cluster size and without completely starting over, you will need a partitioning program to do so. I use: BootIt Next Generation is available from: http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/ and it does partitioning, makes a compressed image, does many other partitioning chores and is a boot manager. It is not quite as easy to use as Partition Magic but it is half the cost and has more features. Unlike the crippled PMagic demo, BING is a *full function* demo you can try for FREE for 30 days. The web site has a lot of support articles. Once you get this straightened out, run scandisk and defrag again on both drives. If you still have missing space, post back. Cluster size is the amount of space used to store a file. For example, if the cluster size is 16 kb, a 1 kb file will take up 16 kb of space on a hard drive. The 15 kb that is lost is known as slack space. The cluster size used by the system is determined by the size of the partition. Here is a chart that will give approximate space lost for an average user. . Partition Size Cluster Typical Amount Size of Wasted Space Fat 32 512 MB - 8191 MB 4K 4% 8192 MB - 16383 MB 8K 10% 16384 MB - 32767 MB 16K 25% Larger than 32768 MB 32K 40% You will note that by having such a large partition, you are wasting tons of space if you have lots of smaller files. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "her hubby" wrote in message ... First drive is 38g of which C is 30g for operating system, programs and some data and E is Compaq System save of 8g. When I defragged this C drive it was 5.34G used. 2nd drive is also 38G and D drive is all data with no active programs. At the start of defrag it was 16.7g. Defrag of D drive got to the point of reading files and stopped with the standard message of "Your computer does not have enough free memory to defrag the drive. Quit one or more programs". I did not copy it but this is the message that was given. I had closed everything except explore and sys tray. I am thinking that the defrag problem is due to having many small files on the drive (over 300,000 sewing,quilting,embroidery,etc). This was a problem once before when it was over 450,000. When I go to my computer or use exploring and click on "C properties" it indicates that C is now 19.4g. This increase of 14g is the result of the defrag because nothing else was run. Does the defrag program create a file of what is to be defragged and then delete it if it runs to completion? If not, what could have created this increase and how do I find it and get rid of it? Thanks Phil "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... You need to provide the exact error message and provide complete details on the 14 gb: how big is the HD, what are you using to determine the amount of gb, etc. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "her hubby" wrote in message ... Ron, I had already looked at your site but it does not say anything about getting rid of the 14g added to my C drive. Will it be okay to delete some data from my D drive and try again? Or will this cause more problems? I am hoping that if I try again with less data on the D drive that it will overwrite the file it created and then delete it when it finishes. Yes, no, maybe? Thanks Phil "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... If you had included the exact error message, I could have provided a more precise answer. Go to the link below and be sure to review the articles that are referred to. See the defrag troubleshooter located he http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/defrag.html -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "her hubby" wrote in message ... I tried to defrag my second hard drive and part way thru it stopped with the message that I didn't have enough memory and that I should shut down something and try again. Since I had shut down everything except Explore and Sys tray, I think I just have too many files of my wife's sewing, quilting, embroidery etc. Once before when this happened I just deleted some of the files, defragged, and then reloaded the files. My problem is that my C drive went from 5g to 19g and I cannot find where defrag put the extra 14g. I didn't even realize that it copied my D drive to my C drive during the defrag. Question is, how do I find what defrag did to my C drive while trying to defrag my D drive and how do I get rid of it? Thanks for your help. Phil |
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:34:04 -0400, "her hubby"
scribbled some thoughts: NOTE: Best viewed in a fixed pitch font I had read the article but it did not sink in until I got your explanation. Thanks for helping an inexperienced old man. A test showed that 1kb,4kb or 6kb files each use 32768bytes. "You are running Windows on a very large hard disk that has a default Windows cluster size of 32 KB" If I read that right,what I should do is create some 10G partitions with 8kb clusters on the D drive for storing her data files. Will Partition Magic let me change cluster size and/or partition the drive into several partitions without losing the data on the drive? I have Partition Magic but have never used it. Thanks again. Phil I use Acronis Partition Expert and while it is possible to change the cluster size, I've read it is generally best to stick with the defaults. If space warrants, I'd squeeze the partitions even smaller, namely 8GB drives (7.98GB). On my 120GB drive (114GB usable), I divided it into as many partitions which would bring it down to at least 4KB clusters, so I experimented until I found that certain number which was the max for the cluster size, then I copy pasted for each partion, I wound up with 14 drives of equal size and 2GB unallocated. Hey, I like things equal. :-) Partition Size Fat 32 NTFS 1GB to 2GB 4KB 2KB 2GB to 8GB 4KB 4KB 8GB to 16GB 8KB 4KB 16GB to 32GB 16KB 4KB 32GB to 2TB 32KB 4KB I've no experience with Partition Magic, but from what I gather, there will be no loss to data. Here is my structure, for you to consider. ---------- C:\Windows\Temp\Labels.txt Volume in drive C is PROGRAMS Volume in drive D is DOS Volume in drive E is DATA Volume in drive F is MAIL-USENET Volume in drive G is FONTS Volume in drive H is GRAPHICS Volume in drive I is VIDEO Volume in drive J is MUSIC Volume in drive K is SOFTWARE Volume in drive L is BACKUPS Volume in drive M is NEWSGROUPS (downloaded attachments awaiting final disposition) Volume in drive N is FAMILY Volume in drive O is FRIENDS Volume in drive P is PERSONAL -- Sincerely, | (©) (©) | ------ooo--(_)--ooo------ Andrew H. Carter | /// \\\ d(-_-)b | |
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Thanks for your help.I was able to defrag the D drive,get Partition Magic
loaded, and created my first 7.9G partition. Once I get more data moved I will keep going on new smaller partitions. It makes a big difference in the space used.As one example, one file went from 131072bytes down to 16384 bytes. Thanks Phil "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... Yes it will. The cluster size is correct for the size of the partition so it appears you will have to make smaller partitions. What you will probably want to do is start at the back of the partition and make a slightly less then 8 gb (your choice on size--just keep it under 8 gb for maximum filing efficiency) partition by resizing the large one. When that is done, transfer about 7 gb of data (if necessary) to the new partition so you can then resize the original one and create another new partition. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "her hubby" wrote in message ... I had read the article but it did not sink in until I got your explanation. Thanks for helping an inexperienced old man. A test showed that 1kb,4kb or 6kb files each use 32768bytes. "You are running Windows on a very large hard disk that has a default Windows cluster size of 32 KB" If I read that right,what I should do is create some 10G partitions with 8kb clusters on the D drive for storing her data files. Will Partition Magic let me change cluster size and/or partition the drive into several partitions without losing the data on the drive? I have Partition Magic but have never used it. Thanks again. Phil "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... First things first. Read this article: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=229154 I think you will find that the cluster size does not match the partition size. Find any file sized 1 kb or less on the D: partition, right click, properties, and see how much space the file takes on the drive (this is the cluster size--see chart below). This is indicated in the size area by listing the actual size and the size used. 4096 bytes = 4 kb and so on. When the improper cluster size is used for the size of the partition, you get the error message you saw. What you have to do is adjust the cluster size and without completely starting over, you will need a partitioning program to do so. I use: BootIt Next Generation is available from: http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/ and it does partitioning, makes a compressed image, does many other partitioning chores and is a boot manager. It is not quite as easy to use as Partition Magic but it is half the cost and has more features. Unlike the crippled PMagic demo, BING is a *full function* demo you can try for FREE for 30 days. The web site has a lot of support articles. Once you get this straightened out, run scandisk and defrag again on both drives. If you still have missing space, post back. Cluster size is the amount of space used to store a file. For example, if the cluster size is 16 kb, a 1 kb file will take up 16 kb of space on a hard drive. The 15 kb that is lost is known as slack space. The cluster size used by the system is determined by the size of the partition. Here is a chart that will give approximate space lost for an average user. . Partition Size Cluster Typical Amount Size of Wasted Space Fat 32 512 MB - 8191 MB 4K 4% 8192 MB - 16383 MB 8K 10% 16384 MB - 32767 MB 16K 25% Larger than 32768 MB 32K 40% You will note that by having such a large partition, you are wasting tons of space if you have lots of smaller files. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "her hubby" wrote in message ... First drive is 38g of which C is 30g for operating system, programs and some data and E is Compaq System save of 8g. When I defragged this C drive it was 5.34G used. 2nd drive is also 38G and D drive is all data with no active programs. At the start of defrag it was 16.7g. Defrag of D drive got to the point of reading files and stopped with the standard message of "Your computer does not have enough free memory to defrag the drive. Quit one or more programs". I did not copy it but this is the message that was given. I had closed everything except explore and sys tray. I am thinking that the defrag problem is due to having many small files on the drive (over 300,000 sewing,quilting,embroidery,etc). This was a problem once before when it was over 450,000. When I go to my computer or use exploring and click on "C properties" it indicates that C is now 19.4g. This increase of 14g is the result of the defrag because nothing else was run. Does the defrag program create a file of what is to be defragged and then delete it if it runs to completion? If not, what could have created this increase and how do I find it and get rid of it? Thanks Phil "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... You need to provide the exact error message and provide complete details on the 14 gb: how big is the HD, what are you using to determine the amount of gb, etc. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "her hubby" wrote in message ... Ron, I had already looked at your site but it does not say anything about getting rid of the 14g added to my C drive. Will it be okay to delete some data from my D drive and try again? Or will this cause more problems? I am hoping that if I try again with less data on the D drive that it will overwrite the file it created and then delete it when it finishes. Yes, no, maybe? Thanks Phil "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... If you had included the exact error message, I could have provided a more precise answer. Go to the link below and be sure to review the articles that are referred to. See the defrag troubleshooter located he http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/defrag.html -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "her hubby" wrote in message ... I tried to defrag my second hard drive and part way thru it stopped with the message that I didn't have enough memory and that I should shut down something and try again. Since I had shut down everything except Explore and Sys tray, I think I just have too many files of my wife's sewing, quilting, embroidery etc. Once before when this happened I just deleted some of the files, defragged, and then reloaded the files. My problem is that my C drive went from 5g to 19g and I cannot find where defrag put the extra 14g. I didn't even realize that it copied my D drive to my C drive during the defrag. Question is, how do I find what defrag did to my C drive while trying to defrag my D drive and how do I get rid of it? Thanks for your help. Phil |
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