Will a new harddrive work witn win98SE?

Hello:

Would a freeware product like "NTFS for Win98" from Paragon Software help
resolve the problem of having to have the Win XP partition formatted as a
FAT32 partition? (There are also some other NTFS for Win 98/ME available,
some also for free.)

See: http://www.paragon-software.com/home.../download.html .

Has anyone tried and had success with any of these NTFS for Win 98/ME
software packages/drivers?

Cheers,

Jerry


"mm" wrote in message
news

?Additionally, the preferred file system for XP is NTFS...
but win98 cannot recognize an NTFS partition, so you will need to create
at least one Fat32 partition on the drive.

I used Fat32 in the first place, so I could read my XP data from 98.
In fact I still have Eudora and Agent in the C: partition and use the
same files whether I am in winXP or 98. I can't tell the difference.

Hello:

Would a freeware product like "NTFS for Win98" from Paragon Software help
resolve the problem of having to have the Win XP partition formatted as a
FAT32 partition? (There are also some other NTFS for Win 98/ME available,
some also for free.)

See: http://www.paragon-software.com/home.../download.html .

Has anyone tried and had success with any of these NTFS for Win 98/ME
software packages/drivers?

Cheers,

Jerry


"mm" wrote in message
news

?Additionally, the preferred file system for XP is NTFS...
but win98 cannot recognize an NTFS partition, so you will need to create
at least one Fat32 partition on the drive.

I used Fat32 in the first place, so I could read my XP data from 98.
In fact I still have Eudora and Agent in the C: partition and use the
same files whether I am in winXP or 98. I can't tell the difference.

In message , mm
writes:
[]
For anyone else who might want to know, it's a Western Digital My Book
Essential Edition 500 GB USB extrernal hard drive. It's meant to
stand up like a book, about the size or a big paperback book.

Could be useful information, thanks. (Does it need external power, or
does it run from the USB?)

And only 86 dollars plus tax at Best Buys (or probably anywhere but
they are close to me.

[Probably translates to the same number of pounds here )-: - though I've
seen terabyte ones for 80 to 90.]
[]
It's been 18 months and I don't remember. There was a little CD with
the player. I guess that was it. I had Windows ME in the laptop,
but that was not enough for the the box or the instructions iirc. But
I didnt' want to do anything fancy. I just copied mp3 files or some
other format to the MP3 player and played them.

As I said earlier, to see the player as a drive, you must have been
using _some_ driver you'd loaded, either from the disklet or earlier.
[]
Thanks for posting all this. I'm sorry it took me so long to get

No prob.s.

back. I went to the Western Digital site to try to find something, and
they even had Help based on OS and when I chose win98 it formatted a
search and found Nothing.

Sad to hear, but not surprising. I suspect they don't want to get into
the support problems '98 can involve.
[]
But it was covered with plastic and in a separate plastic bag. I just
cut a hole through each and plugged the power and usb in.

(Probably OK for a short time, but watch for ventilation problems. But I
think you're past that now.)

Almost immediately Windows started to install a driver with the normal
screens. Oh yeah, you say that win98SE doesn't have much/any usb, but
years ago you guys told me what to install for other USB things I have
(like the internal harddrive in a case, but that is only 857Megs)

Ah; assuming you did what we told you, that's what it was/is using - the
universal driver you installed years ago.

So it installed the driver in less than a minute and then gave error
messages. It turns out there is software on the HD already and it
was trying to run, but it seems to require 2000, XP, or Vista.

But not the harddrive. Why do they label it like this? Don't they
lose sales?

The software on the disc, which by the sound of it is set to autorun as
soon as you can see the drive properly, is probably backup software of
some sort - possibly a trial version thereof, possibly not. If you've
still got the packing material it came in, look to see if it says
anything about it. It is that software that requires 2000 or later; from
the sound of it, the basic hardware is working for you. If you can find
where the hardware is, you might want to delete it, though (a) on such a
big drive it's probably not much saving (b) it might be nice to keep it
there for resale or in case you change OS; however, _if_ it's appearing
whenever you plug the drive in, it'd be good to disable its autorun
feature, since it doesn't work: I wonder if holding down the shift (or
is it control) key when connecting would do that, like it does for CDs.

Then I made a couple subdirectories (It's already formatted FAT32) and
tried to copy D, but it refused. Gradually I figured out what I
already knew. YOu can't copy the partition letter. You have to go one
level lower and copy all the files and directories.

Yes, you can't drag a drive to another drive.

I still had the covers on so I wanted to stop and remove them, but the
Disconnect USB Device kept saying, "May not disconnect now. Try
later" I kept closing programs but the message never went away,
so I turned the computer off.

One of my computers sometimes does that with my pen drives, even
generating that most nannyish of blue screens when I eventually do
unplug. As Jeff said, don't have an explorer window showing it open, and
(if it has one) make sure any access light has been off for a few
seconds, and then just unplug it, when this happens.
[]
"safely eject" icon in your system tray - something with a green arrow
on - when it is connected? Not that its absence proves anything - I
don't get it on one of my PCs, even though it works fine with two of my
flash drives, for which I must have installed drivers at some time.)

Yes, I get the icon. But last night I tried to use an internal HD in
a case. Someone gave me the HD and I bought the case online, and it
worked fine 9 months ago when I backed win98 up, but this time, it
generated the icon, but no evidence I could find that there was a
harddrive there. Not in PowerDesk or Windows Exp.

Hmm, the icon appeared so the USB circuitry is working, but maybe the
drive has died - or just come disconnected inside. Did you wait long
enough? I have a poor man's equivalent of your case - just a cable with
USB at one end and IDE at the other (obviously with some electronics
hidden in it), and a power supply - and I used it recently, to help
someone transfer everything from his old PC's drive, and I thought it
wasn't working at first, but eventually it suddenly burst into life.
(That _was_ under Vista though.)

?Additionally, the preferred file system for XP is NTFS...
but win98 cannot recognize an NTFS partition, so you will need to create
at least one Fat32 partition on the drive.

I used Fat32 in the first place, so I could read my XP data from 98.

Some of the respondents in this thread seem to have missed that that was
what you had done (-:

I would use FAT32 too - same reason.
[]
Good point. This presumably single file that keeps xp from starting
is the only file I have had trouble with. But I will run the
diagnostics as you say.

(Have you done so, and if so what did they find? Like you I suspect it
isn't the hardware that's at fault, but it's certainly something you
should do.)

Have you tried safe mode (I _think_ XP has something like safe mode), or
the XP recovery console, to restore a restore point?

You may be sorry you asked that question! If you have an solution
for me that is good, but the current plan is to do a Restore Install
of XP.
[]
Thanks for looking at this anyhow. No one in the XP group had a
really clever suggestion, only to reinstall, with some suggestions
about the best way to do that.

I'm afraid I'm just starting out with XP, so am not the best person to
ask; once you do have your XP back up and running, I'd get hold of
ERUNT. I don't know if you've ever used ERU/ERD (emergency recovery
utility/disc) under '9x - it is on the '95 CD under misc/other or
other/misc, I'm not sure it's even on the '98 one, but it works fine
under '98 (and I'm told Me too), and has got me out of a hold on several
occasions (i. e. when '98 won't boot). Basically, when you run it from
within '98, it saves about a dozen important files (including the
registry two), as well as a utility, into a folder of your choice (I use
\ERD\yyyymmdd [i. e. the date]); then when things go wrong, you start up
in DOS, navigate to the folder containing your last one (that's why I
use a DOS-compatible folder name), and run the utility, and it restores
the files it saved. ERUNT does the same for XP (and I think 2000 and
Vista). Normally, for those using NTFS, the boot-to-DOS option isn't
available, and you have to install something like BARTPE to get back in,
but as you've got FAT32 anyway, you could probably use it.

You say "the XP group" - which one, there are so many )-:? When I knew I
was getting an XP machine, I asked on one of the '98 'groups which XP
ones to try, and was pointed at microsoft.public.windowsxp.customise and
m.p.wxp.setup_deployment and m.p.wxp.configuration_manage, but I'm not
sure those were the right ones. As for the recovery console, there is a
guide on the net somewhere, which talks like "we are now going to enter
the deep dark regions of the recovery console", in a style that some
might find irritating, but I didn't mind; he leads you through getting
back one of the restore points which either XP itself or you had
created. (I subsequently found it was just a rewrite of a microsoft
guide, but I don't mind that.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

"I hate the guys that criticize the enterprise of other guys whose enterprise
has made them rise above the guys who criticize!" (W9BRD, former editor of
"How's DX?" column in "QST")

In message , mm
writes:
[]
For anyone else who might want to know, it's a Western Digital My Book
Essential Edition 500 GB USB extrernal hard drive. It's meant to
stand up like a book, about the size or a big paperback book.

Could be useful information, thanks. (Does it need external power, or
does it run from the USB?)

And only 86 dollars plus tax at Best Buys (or probably anywhere but
they are close to me.

[Probably translates to the same number of pounds here )-: - though I've
seen terabyte ones for 80 to 90.]
[]
It's been 18 months and I don't remember. There was a little CD with
the player. I guess that was it. I had Windows ME in the laptop,
but that was not enough for the the box or the instructions iirc. But
I didnt' want to do anything fancy. I just copied mp3 files or some
other format to the MP3 player and played them.

As I said earlier, to see the player as a drive, you must have been
using _some_ driver you'd loaded, either from the disklet or earlier.
[]
Thanks for posting all this. I'm sorry it took me so long to get

No prob.s.

back. I went to the Western Digital site to try to find something, and
they even had Help based on OS and when I chose win98 it formatted a
search and found Nothing.

Sad to hear, but not surprising. I suspect they don't want to get into
the support problems '98 can involve.
[]
But it was covered with plastic and in a separate plastic bag. I just
cut a hole through each and plugged the power and usb in.

(Probably OK for a short time, but watch for ventilation problems. But I
think you're past that now.)

Almost immediately Windows started to install a driver with the normal
screens. Oh yeah, you say that win98SE doesn't have much/any usb, but
years ago you guys told me what to install for other USB things I have
(like the internal harddrive in a case, but that is only 857Megs)

Ah; assuming you did what we told you, that's what it was/is using - the
universal driver you installed years ago.

So it installed the driver in less than a minute and then gave error
messages. It turns out there is software on the HD already and it
was trying to run, but it seems to require 2000, XP, or Vista.

But not the harddrive. Why do they label it like this? Don't they
lose sales?

The software on the disc, which by the sound of it is set to autorun as
soon as you can see the drive properly, is probably backup software of
some sort - possibly a trial version thereof, possibly not. If you've
still got the packing material it came in, look to see if it says
anything about it. It is that software that requires 2000 or later; from
the sound of it, the basic hardware is working for you. If you can find
where the hardware is, you might want to delete it, though (a) on such a
big drive it's probably not much saving (b) it might be nice to keep it
there for resale or in case you change OS; however, _if_ it's appearing
whenever you plug the drive in, it'd be good to disable its autorun
feature, since it doesn't work: I wonder if holding down the shift (or
is it control) key when connecting would do that, like it does for CDs.

Then I made a couple subdirectories (It's already formatted FAT32) and
tried to copy D, but it refused. Gradually I figured out what I
already knew. YOu can't copy the partition letter. You have to go one
level lower and copy all the files and directories.

Yes, you can't drag a drive to another drive.

I still had the covers on so I wanted to stop and remove them, but the
Disconnect USB Device kept saying, "May not disconnect now. Try
later" I kept closing programs but the message never went away,
so I turned the computer off.

One of my computers sometimes does that with my pen drives, even
generating that most nannyish of blue screens when I eventually do
unplug. As Jeff said, don't have an explorer window showing it open, and
(if it has one) make sure any access light has been off for a few
seconds, and then just unplug it, when this happens.
[]
"safely eject" icon in your system tray - something with a green arrow
on - when it is connected? Not that its absence proves anything - I
don't get it on one of my PCs, even though it works fine with two of my
flash drives, for which I must have installed drivers at some time.)

Yes, I get the icon. But last night I tried to use an internal HD in
a case. Someone gave me the HD and I bought the case online, and it
worked fine 9 months ago when I backed win98 up, but this time, it
generated the icon, but no evidence I could find that there was a
harddrive there. Not in PowerDesk or Windows Exp.

Hmm, the icon appeared so the USB circuitry is working, but maybe the
drive has died - or just come disconnected inside. Did you wait long
enough? I have a poor man's equivalent of your case - just a cable with
USB at one end and IDE at the other (obviously with some electronics
hidden in it), and a power supply - and I used it recently, to help
someone transfer everything from his old PC's drive, and I thought it
wasn't working at first, but eventually it suddenly burst into life.
(That _was_ under Vista though.)

?Additionally, the preferred file system for XP is NTFS...
but win98 cannot recognize an NTFS partition, so you will need to create
at least one Fat32 partition on the drive.

I used Fat32 in the first place, so I could read my XP data from 98.

Some of the respondents in this thread seem to have missed that that was
what you had done (-:

I would use FAT32 too - same reason.
[]
Good point. This presumably single file that keeps xp from starting
is the only file I have had trouble with. But I will run the
diagnostics as you say.

(Have you done so, and if so what did they find? Like you I suspect it
isn't the hardware that's at fault, but it's certainly something you
should do.)

Have you tried safe mode (I _think_ XP has something like safe mode), or
the XP recovery console, to restore a restore point?

You may be sorry you asked that question! If you have an solution
for me that is good, but the current plan is to do a Restore Install
of XP.
[]
Thanks for looking at this anyhow. No one in the XP group had a
really clever suggestion, only to reinstall, with some suggestions
about the best way to do that.

I'm afraid I'm just starting out with XP, so am not the best person to
ask; once you do have your XP back up and running, I'd get hold of
ERUNT. I don't know if you've ever used ERU/ERD (emergency recovery
utility/disc) under '9x - it is on the '95 CD under misc/other or
other/misc, I'm not sure it's even on the '98 one, but it works fine
under '98 (and I'm told Me too), and has got me out of a hold on several
occasions (i. e. when '98 won't boot). Basically, when you run it from
within '98, it saves about a dozen important files (including the
registry two), as well as a utility, into a folder of your choice (I use
\ERD\yyyymmdd [i. e. the date]); then when things go wrong, you start up
in DOS, navigate to the folder containing your last one (that's why I
use a DOS-compatible folder name), and run the utility, and it restores
the files it saved. ERUNT does the same for XP (and I think 2000 and
Vista). Normally, for those using NTFS, the boot-to-DOS option isn't
available, and you have to install something like BARTPE to get back in,
but as you've got FAT32 anyway, you could probably use it.

You say "the XP group" - which one, there are so many )-:? When I knew I
was getting an XP machine, I asked on one of the '98 'groups which XP
ones to try, and was pointed at microsoft.public.windowsxp.customise and
m.p.wxp.setup_deployment and m.p.wxp.configuration_manage, but I'm not
sure those were the right ones. As for the recovery console, there is a
guide on the net somewhere, which talks like "we are now going to enter
the deep dark regions of the recovery console", in a style that some
might find irritating, but I didn't mind; he leads you through getting
back one of the restore points which either XP itself or you had
created. (I subsequently found it was just a rewrite of a microsoft
guide, but I don't mind that.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

"I hate the guys that criticize the enterprise of other guys whose enterprise
has made them rise above the guys who criticize!" (W9BRD, former editor of
"How's DX?" column in "QST")

Hello:

Has anyone tried any of the unofficial third-party patches that are supposed
to allow Win 98/ME to break the 128/137 GB hard drive limitation?

For examples see:

HIGH CAPACITY DISK PATCH at
http://www.geocities.com/rloew/Programs/Patch137.htm ($10 US + S&H per copy)

Enable48BitLBA | Break the 137Gb barrier! at
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=78592 (free) (note that there
are cautions with this, as well as the need to possibly update some other
files (such as the ScanDisk .dll)

Cheers,
Jerry

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...

For technical reasons, Windows 98 will not properly handle an IDE hard
driver larger than 128 GB. Even if you have a large drive and divide it
into smaller partitions (each under 128 gb) that will not help. A
common size for hard drives is 160 GB. If you buy a 160 GB IDE hard
drive, when you format and partition it, you must only partition the
first 128 gb and leave the rest as un-used.

..

Hello:

Has anyone tried any of the unofficial third-party patches that are supposed
to allow Win 98/ME to break the 128/137 GB hard drive limitation?

For examples see:

HIGH CAPACITY DISK PATCH at
http://www.geocities.com/rloew/Programs/Patch137.htm ($10 US + S&H per copy)

Enable48BitLBA | Break the 137Gb barrier! at
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=78592 (free) (note that there
are cautions with this, as well as the need to possibly update some other
files (such as the ScanDisk .dll)

Cheers,
Jerry

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...

For technical reasons, Windows 98 will not properly handle an IDE hard
driver larger than 128 GB. Even if you have a large drive and divide it
into smaller partitions (each under 128 gb) that will not help. A
common size for hard drives is 160 GB. If you buy a 160 GB IDE hard
drive, when you format and partition it, you must only partition the
first 128 gb and leave the rest as un-used.

..

On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 03:16:13 -0400, "Jerry Martin"
wrote:

Hello:

Would a freeware product like "NTFS for Win98" from Paragon Software help
resolve the problem of having to have the Win XP partition formatted as a
FAT32 partition? (There are also some other NTFS for Win 98/ME available,
some also for free.)

Thank you.

But As for me, I'm all set up and running in XP with FAT32, and it
doesn't seem to be a problem. This would mean changing the file
structure for both parttitions. Since disk space is cheap, is it
worth it?


See: http://www.paragon-software.com/home.../download.html .

Has anyone tried and had success with any of these NTFS for Win 98/ME
software packages/drivers?

Cheers,

Jerry


"mm" wrote in message
news

?Additionally, the preferred file system for XP is NTFS...
but win98 cannot recognize an NTFS partition, so you will need to create
at least one Fat32 partition on the drive.

I used Fat32 in the first place, so I could read my XP data from 98.
In fact I still have Eudora and Agent in the C: partition and use the
same files whether I am in winXP or 98. I can't tell the difference.

mm wrote:

The store had a 500 Gig externnal drive for only 90 dollars. It's
soooo big. Any chance I can use it with win98. Is there Any brand I
can find at a store or order online that will work like this.

1. You can use any internal IDE (PATA) drive such as these...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...n=pci+ide+sata

1a. However, Win98 cannot use space beyond 127 (?) GB with an IDE drive.
You can easily get around that by using an IDE controller card. They are
very inexpensive and reliable and will give you - generally - two more
channels for drives (4 more drives). Some of them will accomodate SATA
drives or a mix of PATA and SATA.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...n=pci+ide+sata

2. You can use any SATA drive; however, it can't be used without either a
separate controller card (in a PCI slot) or an adapter that fits on the back
of the drive. Dunno if the adapter handles Win98's size limitation or not.

If you want a very nice, fast internal SATA drive check out these...
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=488

--

dadiOH
____________________________

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....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

mm wrote:

The store had a 500 Gig externnal drive for only 90 dollars. It's
soooo big. Any chance I can use it with win98. Is there Any brand I
can find at a store or order online that will work like this.

1. You can use any internal IDE (PATA) drive such as these...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...n=pci+ide+sata

1a. However, Win98 cannot use space beyond 127 (?) GB with an IDE drive.
You can easily get around that by using an IDE controller card. They are
very inexpensive and reliable and will give you - generally - two more
channels for drives (4 more drives). Some of them will accomodate SATA
drives or a mix of PATA and SATA.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...n=pci+ide+sata

2. You can use any SATA drive; however, it can't be used without either a
separate controller card (in a PCI slot) or an adapter that fits on the back
of the drive. Dunno if the adapter handles Win98's size limitation or not.

If you want a very nice, fast internal SATA drive check out these...
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=488

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

Lil' Dave wrote:

I'm agreement in sorts with 98 guy. The 128 GB limitation is not
a partition limitation as he indicates though.

This is what I said:

==============
For technical reasons, Windows 98 will not properly handle an IDE
hard driver larger than 128 GB. Even if you have a large drive
and divide it into smaller partitions (each under 128 gb) that
will not help.
==============

I did not indicate that this is a partition-size limitation.

I specifically said that even taking a large drive and dividing it into
smaller partitions (each under 128 gb) "will not help" - ie will not
help overcome this 128 gb limitation.