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Telling Explr to settle down
In the beginning, Bill created File Manager, and it was
good. Then Bill created Explorer, and it too was good. But alas, as with every "update/upgrade" the good stuff from the old is often forsaken, (usually so it can be added back later and resold as the next "u/u"!). This sadly is the case of the hyper-active Windows Explorer, for when I open a file from WE, do something with it, and close/save, this stupid programs decides the file needs stuck at the bottom of the folder listing, regardless of the order the folder is sorted! Why the !#% this programs thinks that is the right thing to do is beyond me! If the folder was sorted accending by date then it would make sense, but otherwise it is completely idiotic! So, if you happen to know a tweak to WE that will stop this rediculas action, please post it! Thanks gm |
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Ron Martell wrote:
wrote: In the beginning, Bill created File Manager, and it was good. Then Bill created Explorer, and it too was good. But alas, as with every "update/upgrade" the good stuff from the old is often forsaken, (usually so it can be added back later and resold as the next "u/u"!). This sadly is the case of the hyper-active Windows Explorer, for when I open a file from WE, do something with it, and close/save, this stupid programs decides the file needs stuck at the bottom of the folder listing, regardless of the order the folder is sorted! Why the !#% this programs thinks that is the right thing to do is beyond me! If the folder was sorted accending by date then it would make sense, but otherwise it is completely idiotic! So, if you happen to know a tweak to WE that will stop this rediculas action, please post it! New items are always added at the bottom of the list, until the view is refreshed that is. To sort the list again right-click on explorer panel and select "refresh". Or if you are using the Details view click on the Name column header to sort again by name. Click again to invert the sort. Good luck Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada -- Microsoft MVP On-Line Help Computer Service http://onlinehelp.bc.ca "The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much." Thanks for taking the time to respond Ron. However I was not referring to new items being added, I was referring to the item already being there, already being sorted, but being shoved to the bottom when re-saved! I prefer F5 for refresh personally, but the request it to not need to do this since it is stupid for windows to move the file out of it's appropriate sorted location in the first place! So I am still hoping someone will post a hack to stop this ridiculous "feature"! gm |
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If it has been changed in any way Win may
see it as a new file and put it at the bottom. -----Original Message----- Ron Martell wrote: wrote: In the beginning, Bill created File Manager, and it was good. Then Bill created Explorer, and it too was good. But alas, as with every "update/upgrade" the good stuff from the old is often forsaken, (usually so it can be added back later and resold as the next "u/u"!). This sadly is the case of the hyper-active Windows Explorer, for when I open a file from WE, do something with it, and close/save, this stupid programs decides the file needs stuck at the bottom of the folder listing, regardless of the order the folder is sorted! Why the !#% this programs thinks that is the right thing to do is beyond me! If the folder was sorted accending by date then it would make sense, but otherwise it is completely idiotic! So, if you happen to know a tweak to WE that will stop this rediculas action, please post it! New items are always added at the bottom of the list, until the view is refreshed that is. To sort the list again right-click on explorer panel and select "refresh". Or if you are using the Details view click on the Name column header to sort again by name. Click again to invert the sort. Good luck Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada -- Microsoft MVP On-Line Help Computer Service http://onlinehelp.bc.ca "The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much." Thanks for taking the time to respond Ron. However I was not referring to new items being added, I was referring to the item already being there, already being sorted, but being shoved to the bottom when re-saved! I prefer F5 for refresh personally, but the request it to not need to do this since it is stupid for windows to move the file out of it's appropriate sorted location in the first place! So I am still hoping someone will post a hack to stop this ridiculous "feature"! gm . |
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It's a performance issue. To refresh the listing takes time. If it gets
automatically refresshed after every change it can seriously slow things down, especially with a large folder and a slow PC. FAT32 has a number of performance issues like this. Jeff Richards MS MVP (DTS) wrote in message ... snip Thanks for taking the time to respond Ron. However I was not referring to new items being added, I was referring to the item already being there, already being sorted, but being shoved to the bottom when re-saved! I prefer F5 for refresh personally, but the request it to not need to do this since it is stupid for windows to move the file out of it's appropriate sorted location in the first place! So I am still hoping someone will post a hack to stop this ridiculous "feature"! gm |
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Thanks for the input Jeff. That makes sense if it were a choice between
sorting and doing nothing. However, WE is not "doing nothing", it is removing the file from the list where it was originally, and putting it at the bottom (presumable by a sort by date default function but that's a guess). If the goal was indead to maximize performance, then leaving the file where it was in the list would be the faster performance. The name hasn't changed, why move it. (It wasn't necessary for FM to move the file!!) I use Windows 2000 at work, and it does the same thing. I am pretty certain the computer there is using NTFS so it seems like and OS problem not a file system problem to me! So, still waiting for the expert hacker to post a way to correct this....!! -gm Jeff Richards wrote: It's a performance issue. To refresh the listing takes time. If it gets automatically refresshed after every change it can seriously slow things down, especially with a large folder and a slow PC. FAT32 has a number of performance issues like this. Jeff Richards MS MVP (DTS) wrote in message ... snip Thanks for taking the time to respond Ron. However I was not referring to new items being added, I was referring to the item already being there, already being sorted, but being shoved to the bottom when re-saved! I prefer F5 for refresh personally, but the request it to not need to do this since it is stupid for windows to move the file out of it's appropriate sorted location in the first place! So I am still hoping someone will post a hack to stop this ridiculous "feature"! gm |
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Thanks for taking the time to respond Ron. However I was not referring to new items being added, I was referring to the item already being there, already being sorted, but being shoved to the bottom when re-saved! I quite like that. If adding or changing 5 dirs in a location that has 100 dirs in it already, it's nice that the right pane shows only the changed ones if the parent dir is not expanded. Makes it easier to flip between them without wading through the rest. -------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - Tip Of The Day: To disable the 'Tip of the Day' feature... -------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - |
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That's not how processing items in a list works in W98. If there is any
possibility that any details (even a non-displayed item) in a listed entry has changed, the item has to be removed from the list and re-added. Adding an item at the end of a list is trivial - refreshing the list so that it is sorted properly is major overhead. Adding the item back into its proper place would involve finding out how the list is currently sorted and finding the correct sort position, remembering that the sort item, such as date, might have been changed. It's doable, but it's not simple. It is an OS issue, not a file system issue. I am ussuming that FAT32 performance is a reason that the list was not automatically refreshed, because I have seen how FAT32 performs under heavy load. The issue could have been overcome by more sophisticated list processing, but they chose not to - having written list processing routines myself, I understand how comlicated it can get. AFAIK thre is no magic switch to turn auto-refresh on, but if someone proves my wrong I would be happy to add the tweak to my list of useful W9x tips. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (DTS) wrote in message ... Thanks for the input Jeff. That makes sense if it were a choice between sorting and doing nothing. However, WE is not "doing nothing", it is removing the file from the list where it was originally, and putting it at the bottom (presumable by a sort by date default function but that's a guess). If the goal was indead to maximize performance, then leaving the file where it was in the list would be the faster performance. The name hasn't changed, why move it. (It wasn't necessary for FM to move the file!!) I use Windows 2000 at work, and it does the same thing. I am pretty certain the computer there is using NTFS so it seems like and OS problem not a file system problem to me! So, still waiting for the expert hacker to post a way to correct this....!! -gm |
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Good point - the other day I had to apply a simple update to all files in a
folder. As I saved each one after the update the next one popped to the top of the folder listing automatically! -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (DTS) "cquirke (MVP Win9x)" wrote in message news snip I quite like that. If adding or changing 5 dirs in a location that has 100 dirs in it already, it's nice that the right pane shows only the changed ones if the parent dir is not expanded. Makes it easier to flip between them without wading through the rest. |
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