Missing System Tools folder

ms wrote:
ms wrote in :

I wanted to run System File Checker, read that it is in System Tools.
I just looked in Accessories, there is no System Tools folder! ??

I just used Scanreg/restore, the oldest registry is only a few days
old. And nothing has happened on this machine in the past week, so I
believe the Tools folder has gone missing some time ago.

The machine runs fine, so I want to fix this without reformat, etc.

How to restore the System Tools folder?

ms

Thanks to all. I recreate the folder and have shortcuts to my usual
scandisk, defrag, and now system file checker.

I may be having the result MEB referred to. The "original" version I
have scans, completes, I see no action.

I really doubt that in this machine, all files are OK. I used it for
trial installs, so the registry is, IMO, got some issues. One obvious
symptom, an install had removed some VB6 files. I reinstalled VB6 but
my favorite cleaner utility, CCleaner, only runs in a very old
version, so some files in windows are missing. And of course, the
default windows had a System Tools folder.

If MEB can point me to the updated SFC, I will try to clean up the
machine that way. If not, reformat.

That's right, make your own shortcut, or run it from MSInfo32, Tools
menu, or this way...

"START button, Run, SFC"

However, this tool needs a priming, which basically means to accept all
current changes. The "Settings", especially "Search Criteria", may need
adjusting. You may look through the log, C:\Windows\SFCLOG.TXT, to see
what it's done. Also, there is a certain amount of confusion involved
with it, under the best of circumstances. For one thing, certain files
will always seem to have changed. For another, it does not well handle
version numbers greater than 11 characters.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=185836 System File Checker
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=188186 SFC baseline
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=192832 SFC extracts wrong file
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=180465 Error Message: The File
Was Not Found. Verify That You Have Selected the
Correct 'Restore from' Location and Try Again
http://www.rickrogers.org/sfc.htm SFC use & problems
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/using_sfc.html SFC use & problems


ms

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

"PCR" wrote in news:O2TckpRqKHA.3408
@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

ms wrote:
ms wrote in :

I wanted to run System File Checker, read that it is in System
Tools.
I just looked in Accessories, there is no System Tools folder! ??

I just used Scanreg/restore, the oldest registry is only a few
days
old. And nothing has happened on this machine in the past week, so
I
believe the Tools folder has gone missing some time ago.

The machine runs fine, so I want to fix this without reformat,
etc.

How to restore the System Tools folder?

ms

Thanks to all. I recreate the folder and have shortcuts to my usual
scandisk, defrag, and now system file checker.

I may be having the result MEB referred to. The "original" version
I
have scans, completes, I see no action.

I really doubt that in this machine, all files are OK. I used it
for
trial installs, so the registry is, IMO, got some issues. One
obvious
symptom, an install had removed some VB6 files. I reinstalled VB6
but
my favorite cleaner utility, CCleaner, only runs in a very old
version, so some files in windows are missing. And of course, the
default windows had a System Tools folder.

If MEB can point me to the updated SFC, I will try to clean up the
machine that way. If not, reformat.

That's right, make your own shortcut, or run it from MSInfo32, Tools
menu, or this way...

"START button, Run, SFC"

However, this tool needs a priming, which basically means to accept
all
current changes. The "Settings", especially "Search Criteria", may
need
adjusting. You may look through the log, C:\Windows\SFCLOG.TXT, to
see
what it's done. Also, there is a certain amount of confusion
involved
with it, under the best of circumstances. For one thing, certain
files
will always seem to have changed. For another, it does not well
handle
version numbers greater than 11 characters.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=185836 System File Checker
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=188186 SFC baseline
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=192832 SFC extracts wrong file
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=180465 Error Message: The File
Was Not Found. Verify That You Have Selected the
Correct 'Restore from' Location and Try Again
http://www.rickrogers.org/sfc.htm SFC use & problems
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/using_sfc.html SFC use &
problems


ms


Thanks, PCR. I will digest the above data.

This is the machine you helped me with before, shadowing video. It has
no sound driver (MEB- that file was defective, mfgr is out of
business, so I gave up), but is otherwise OK. I want to partition the
12 GB hard drive so will look into that. IIRC, 3-4 MB for W98SE OS is
all it needs. So I will have about 8 GB for utilities.

Even with memory problems in my old age, I can still remember
surprises when you format a nice running OS. But I want that
partition. In W2K/XP there is a nice freeware utility (Partition
Wizard) that says it can create a partition in an operating OS, but I
never heard of that in W98.

ms

"PCR" wrote in news:O2TckpRqKHA.3408
@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

ms wrote:
ms wrote in :

I wanted to run System File Checker, read that it is in System
Tools.
I just looked in Accessories, there is no System Tools folder! ??

I just used Scanreg/restore, the oldest registry is only a few
days
old. And nothing has happened on this machine in the past week, so
I
believe the Tools folder has gone missing some time ago.

The machine runs fine, so I want to fix this without reformat,
etc.

How to restore the System Tools folder?

ms

Thanks to all. I recreate the folder and have shortcuts to my usual
scandisk, defrag, and now system file checker.

I may be having the result MEB referred to. The "original" version
I
have scans, completes, I see no action.

I really doubt that in this machine, all files are OK. I used it
for
trial installs, so the registry is, IMO, got some issues. One
obvious
symptom, an install had removed some VB6 files. I reinstalled VB6
but
my favorite cleaner utility, CCleaner, only runs in a very old
version, so some files in windows are missing. And of course, the
default windows had a System Tools folder.

If MEB can point me to the updated SFC, I will try to clean up the
machine that way. If not, reformat.

That's right, make your own shortcut, or run it from MSInfo32, Tools
menu, or this way...

"START button, Run, SFC"

However, this tool needs a priming, which basically means to accept
all
current changes. The "Settings", especially "Search Criteria", may
need
adjusting. You may look through the log, C:\Windows\SFCLOG.TXT, to
see
what it's done. Also, there is a certain amount of confusion
involved
with it, under the best of circumstances. For one thing, certain
files
will always seem to have changed. For another, it does not well
handle
version numbers greater than 11 characters.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=185836 System File Checker
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=188186 SFC baseline
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=192832 SFC extracts wrong file
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=180465 Error Message: The File
Was Not Found. Verify That You Have Selected the
Correct 'Restore from' Location and Try Again
http://www.rickrogers.org/sfc.htm SFC use & problems
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/using_sfc.html SFC use &
problems


ms


Thanks, PCR. I will digest the above data.

This is the machine you helped me with before, shadowing video. It has
no sound driver (MEB- that file was defective, mfgr is out of
business, so I gave up), but is otherwise OK. I want to partition the
12 GB hard drive so will look into that. IIRC, 3-4 MB for W98SE OS is
all it needs. So I will have about 8 GB for utilities.

Even with memory problems in my old age, I can still remember
surprises when you format a nice running OS. But I want that
partition. In W2K/XP there is a nice freeware utility (Partition
Wizard) that says it can create a partition in an operating OS, but I
never heard of that in W98.

ms

On 02/08/2010 09:07 PM, ms wrote:
"PCR" wrote in news:O2TckpRqKHA.3408
@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

ms wrote:
ms wrote in :

I wanted to run System File Checker, read that it is in System
Tools.
I just looked in Accessories, there is no System Tools folder! ??

I just used Scanreg/restore, the oldest registry is only a few
days
old. And nothing has happened on this machine in the past week, so
I
believe the Tools folder has gone missing some time ago.

The machine runs fine, so I want to fix this without reformat,
etc.

How to restore the System Tools folder?

ms

Thanks to all. I recreate the folder and have shortcuts to my usual
scandisk, defrag, and now system file checker.

I may be having the result MEB referred to. The "original" version
I
have scans, completes, I see no action.

I really doubt that in this machine, all files are OK. I used it
for
trial installs, so the registry is, IMO, got some issues. One
obvious
symptom, an install had removed some VB6 files. I reinstalled VB6
but
my favorite cleaner utility, CCleaner, only runs in a very old
version, so some files in windows are missing. And of course, the
default windows had a System Tools folder.

If MEB can point me to the updated SFC, I will try to clean up the
machine that way. If not, reformat.

That's right, make your own shortcut, or run it from MSInfo32, Tools
menu, or this way...

"START button, Run, SFC"

However, this tool needs a priming, which basically means to accept
all
current changes. The "Settings", especially "Search Criteria", may
need
adjusting. You may look through the log, C:\Windows\SFCLOG.TXT, to
see
what it's done. Also, there is a certain amount of confusion
involved
with it, under the best of circumstances. For one thing, certain
files
will always seem to have changed. For another, it does not well
handle
version numbers greater than 11 characters.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=185836 System File Checker
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=188186 SFC baseline
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=192832 SFC extracts wrong file
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=180465 Error Message: The File
Was Not Found. Verify That You Have Selected the
Correct 'Restore from' Location and Try Again
http://www.rickrogers.org/sfc.htm SFC use & problems
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/using_sfc.html SFC use &
problems


ms


Thanks, PCR. I will digest the above data.

This is the machine you helped me with before, shadowing video. It has
no sound driver (MEB- that file was defective, mfgr is out of
business, so I gave up), but is otherwise OK. I want to partition the
12 GB hard drive so will look into that. IIRC, 3-4 MB for W98SE OS is
all it needs. So I will have about 8 GB for utilities.

Even with memory problems in my old age, I can still remember
surprises when you format a nice running OS. But I want that
partition. In W2K/XP there is a nice freeware utility (Partition
Wizard) that says it can create a partition in an operating OS, but I
never heard of that in W98.

ms

Oh, I have the files for the Aureal, FROM Aureal. Perhaps someone will
offer a download/ftp area I can put them in or they can, for not only
you but others, WITHOUT all the garbage most download sites now have on
them.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
___---

On 02/08/2010 09:07 PM, ms wrote:
"PCR" wrote in news:O2TckpRqKHA.3408
@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

ms wrote:
ms wrote in :

I wanted to run System File Checker, read that it is in System
Tools.
I just looked in Accessories, there is no System Tools folder! ??

I just used Scanreg/restore, the oldest registry is only a few
days
old. And nothing has happened on this machine in the past week, so
I
believe the Tools folder has gone missing some time ago.

The machine runs fine, so I want to fix this without reformat,
etc.

How to restore the System Tools folder?

ms

Thanks to all. I recreate the folder and have shortcuts to my usual
scandisk, defrag, and now system file checker.

I may be having the result MEB referred to. The "original" version
I
have scans, completes, I see no action.

I really doubt that in this machine, all files are OK. I used it
for
trial installs, so the registry is, IMO, got some issues. One
obvious
symptom, an install had removed some VB6 files. I reinstalled VB6
but
my favorite cleaner utility, CCleaner, only runs in a very old
version, so some files in windows are missing. And of course, the
default windows had a System Tools folder.

If MEB can point me to the updated SFC, I will try to clean up the
machine that way. If not, reformat.

That's right, make your own shortcut, or run it from MSInfo32, Tools
menu, or this way...

"START button, Run, SFC"

However, this tool needs a priming, which basically means to accept
all
current changes. The "Settings", especially "Search Criteria", may
need
adjusting. You may look through the log, C:\Windows\SFCLOG.TXT, to
see
what it's done. Also, there is a certain amount of confusion
involved
with it, under the best of circumstances. For one thing, certain
files
will always seem to have changed. For another, it does not well
handle
version numbers greater than 11 characters.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=185836 System File Checker
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=188186 SFC baseline
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=192832 SFC extracts wrong file
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=180465 Error Message: The File
Was Not Found. Verify That You Have Selected the
Correct 'Restore from' Location and Try Again
http://www.rickrogers.org/sfc.htm SFC use & problems
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/using_sfc.html SFC use &
problems


ms


Thanks, PCR. I will digest the above data.

This is the machine you helped me with before, shadowing video. It has
no sound driver (MEB- that file was defective, mfgr is out of
business, so I gave up), but is otherwise OK. I want to partition the
12 GB hard drive so will look into that. IIRC, 3-4 MB for W98SE OS is
all it needs. So I will have about 8 GB for utilities.

Even with memory problems in my old age, I can still remember
surprises when you format a nice running OS. But I want that
partition. In W2K/XP there is a nice freeware utility (Partition
Wizard) that says it can create a partition in an operating OS, but I
never heard of that in W98.

ms

Oh, I have the files for the Aureal, FROM Aureal. Perhaps someone will
offer a download/ftp area I can put them in or they can, for not only
you but others, WITHOUT all the garbage most download sites now have on
them.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
___---

ms wrote:

Even with memory problems in my old age, I can still remember
surprises when you format a nice running OS.

No surprise, it just disappears. Along with everything else.
_________

But I want that
partition. In W2K/XP there is a nice freeware utility (Partition
Wizard) that says it can create a partition in an operating OS, but I
never heard of that in W98.

The OS has nothing to do with the ability to create partitions; all you need
is sufficient free space for the desired partition size and a program to
make the partition(s). Of course, one has to decide whether to make another
primary partition or an extended one for logical drives.


--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

ms wrote:

Even with memory problems in my old age, I can still remember
surprises when you format a nice running OS.

No surprise, it just disappears. Along with everything else.
_________

But I want that
partition. In W2K/XP there is a nice freeware utility (Partition
Wizard) that says it can create a partition in an operating OS, but I
never heard of that in W98.

The OS has nothing to do with the ability to create partitions; all you need
is sufficient free space for the desired partition size and a program to
make the partition(s). Of course, one has to decide whether to make another
primary partition or an extended one for logical drives.


--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

ms wrote:
"PCR" wrote in news:O2TckpRqKHA.3408
@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

ms wrote:
ms wrote in :

I wanted to run System File Checker, read that it is in System
Tools. I just looked in Accessories, there is no System Tools
folder! ??

I just used Scanreg/restore, the oldest registry is only a few days
old. And nothing has happened on this machine in the past week, so
I believe the Tools folder has gone missing some time ago.

The machine runs fine, so I want to fix this without reformat, etc.

How to restore the System Tools folder?

ms

Thanks to all. I recreate the folder and have shortcuts to my usual
scandisk, defrag, and now system file checker.

I may be having the result MEB referred to. The "original" version I
have scans, completes, I see no action.

I really doubt that in this machine, all files are OK. I used it for
trial installs, so the registry is, IMO, got some issues. One
obvious symptom, an install had removed some VB6 files. I
reinstalled VB6 but my favorite cleaner utility, CCleaner, only
runs in a very old version, so some files in windows are missing.
And of course, the default windows had a System Tools folder.

If MEB can point me to the updated SFC, I will try to clean up the
machine that way. If not, reformat.

That's right, make your own shortcut, or run it from MSInfo32, Tools
menu, or this way...

"START button, Run, SFC"

However, this tool needs a priming, which basically means to accept
all current changes. The "Settings", especially "Search Criteria",
may need adjusting. You may look through the log,
C:\Windows\SFCLOG.TXT, to see what it's done. Also, there is a
certain amount of confusion involved with it, under the best of
circumstances. For one thing, certain files will always seem to have
changed. For another, it does not well handle version numbers
greater than 11 characters.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=185836 System File Checker
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=188186 SFC baseline
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=192832 SFC extracts wrong file
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=180465 Error Message: The File
Was Not Found. Verify That You Have Selected the
Correct 'Restore from' Location and Try Again
http://www.rickrogers.org/sfc.htm SFC use & problems
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/using_sfc.html SFC use & problems


ms


Thanks, PCR. I will digest the above data.

OK. I think SFC is useful to run now/then to see what files have
changed.

This is the machine you helped me with before, shadowing video. It has
no sound driver (MEB- that file was defective, mfgr is out of
business, so I gave up), but is otherwise OK.

All right. I hardly remember it. So, I suggest you hold MEB's feet to
the fire for an explanation!

I want to partition the
12 GB hard drive so will look into that. IIRC, 3-4 MB for W98SE OS is
all it needs. So I will have about 8 GB for utilities.

Even with memory problems in my old age, I can still remember
surprises when you format a nice running OS. But I want that
partition. In W2K/XP there is a nice freeware utility (Partition
Wizard) that says it can create a partition in an operating OS, but I
never heard of that in W98.

Did I ever recommend to you & did you ever download...

http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image to
HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions without
data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.

However, take a quick look in the BootIt NG docs for an explanation of
"CHS Alternative" &...
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=072
You should select the alternative, if you ever intend to use PowerQuest.

........Start.........
CHS Alternative: If this option is enabled then the CHS values for
partitions and volumes will be filled in using an alternative method.
........End..........

I only run BootIt NG from the floppy. It has never failed me in what I
do with it. I've never multi-booted. I'm running on a partition that has
been to HD1 & back and shrunk without data loss. Here is how to run it
from floppy...

(1) Download it: BootItNG.zip.
(2) Unzip it; read the .pdf.
(3) Click BOOTITNG.EXE to create a floppy.
(4) Boot the floppy, which puts up an "Install" requester.
(Not sure it will work write-protected, but try.)
(5) Click to cancel the install.
(6) You are now in Maintenance Mode, running off the floppy.
(7) Click the Settings icon to check out the "Alternative CHS" setting.
(8) Click the "Work with Partitions" icon to examine them.

BEST read that manual before doing much at steps (7) & (8)! Work up a
detailed plan & post it to the group.

ms

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

ms wrote:
"PCR" wrote in news:O2TckpRqKHA.3408
@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

ms wrote:
ms wrote in :

I wanted to run System File Checker, read that it is in System
Tools. I just looked in Accessories, there is no System Tools
folder! ??

I just used Scanreg/restore, the oldest registry is only a few days
old. And nothing has happened on this machine in the past week, so
I believe the Tools folder has gone missing some time ago.

The machine runs fine, so I want to fix this without reformat, etc.

How to restore the System Tools folder?

ms

Thanks to all. I recreate the folder and have shortcuts to my usual
scandisk, defrag, and now system file checker.

I may be having the result MEB referred to. The "original" version I
have scans, completes, I see no action.

I really doubt that in this machine, all files are OK. I used it for
trial installs, so the registry is, IMO, got some issues. One
obvious symptom, an install had removed some VB6 files. I
reinstalled VB6 but my favorite cleaner utility, CCleaner, only
runs in a very old version, so some files in windows are missing.
And of course, the default windows had a System Tools folder.

If MEB can point me to the updated SFC, I will try to clean up the
machine that way. If not, reformat.

That's right, make your own shortcut, or run it from MSInfo32, Tools
menu, or this way...

"START button, Run, SFC"

However, this tool needs a priming, which basically means to accept
all current changes. The "Settings", especially "Search Criteria",
may need adjusting. You may look through the log,
C:\Windows\SFCLOG.TXT, to see what it's done. Also, there is a
certain amount of confusion involved with it, under the best of
circumstances. For one thing, certain files will always seem to have
changed. For another, it does not well handle version numbers
greater than 11 characters.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=185836 System File Checker
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=188186 SFC baseline
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=192832 SFC extracts wrong file
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=180465 Error Message: The File
Was Not Found. Verify That You Have Selected the
Correct 'Restore from' Location and Try Again
http://www.rickrogers.org/sfc.htm SFC use & problems
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/using_sfc.html SFC use & problems


ms


Thanks, PCR. I will digest the above data.

OK. I think SFC is useful to run now/then to see what files have
changed.

This is the machine you helped me with before, shadowing video. It has
no sound driver (MEB- that file was defective, mfgr is out of
business, so I gave up), but is otherwise OK.

All right. I hardly remember it. So, I suggest you hold MEB's feet to
the fire for an explanation!

I want to partition the
12 GB hard drive so will look into that. IIRC, 3-4 MB for W98SE OS is
all it needs. So I will have about 8 GB for utilities.

Even with memory problems in my old age, I can still remember
surprises when you format a nice running OS. But I want that
partition. In W2K/XP there is a nice freeware utility (Partition
Wizard) that says it can create a partition in an operating OS, but I
never heard of that in W98.

Did I ever recommend to you & did you ever download...

http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image to
HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions without
data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.

However, take a quick look in the BootIt NG docs for an explanation of
"CHS Alternative" &...
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=072
You should select the alternative, if you ever intend to use PowerQuest.

........Start.........
CHS Alternative: If this option is enabled then the CHS values for
partitions and volumes will be filled in using an alternative method.
........End..........

I only run BootIt NG from the floppy. It has never failed me in what I
do with it. I've never multi-booted. I'm running on a partition that has
been to HD1 & back and shrunk without data loss. Here is how to run it
from floppy...

(1) Download it: BootItNG.zip.
(2) Unzip it; read the .pdf.
(3) Click BOOTITNG.EXE to create a floppy.
(4) Boot the floppy, which puts up an "Install" requester.
(Not sure it will work write-protected, but try.)
(5) Click to cancel the install.
(6) You are now in Maintenance Mode, running off the floppy.
(7) Click the Settings icon to check out the "Alternative CHS" setting.
(8) Click the "Work with Partitions" icon to examine them.

BEST read that manual before doing much at steps (7) & (8)! Work up a
detailed plan & post it to the group.

ms

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

In message , Don Phillipson
writes:
[]
3. SFC compares files with a database created at
OS installation. Win98 SFC does not update its source
database (as later implementations may do) thus is
likely to mislead the unsophisticated user.

I thought pressing the "accept" (or whatever it's called) button does
update the database. Or am I misunderstanding what you're getting at?
--
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** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

(If you are unlucky you may choose one of the old-fashioned ones [language
schools] and be taught English as it should be, and not as it is, spoken.)
George Mikes, "How to be Decadent" (1977).