IE Running well so far

**MEB[_2_]** · May 27th 08, 08:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

Unless some thing has changed, IE5.1 is the minimum to access and use
windowsupdate.

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"Roger Fink" wrote in message
...
| I was a little too daunted by CdLSRN's long threads to finish reading
| through them, I'm glad she is up and running again.
| Anyway, a question. Last night I was installing Office97 in a laptop and I
| noticed a folder on the CD, "VALUPACK". In VALUPACK there is a folder
| IEXPLORE, and in the folder is the file IE4SETUP.EXE.
|
| A lot of 98 users may still have this disk that came with their $2200.00
PII
| desktops (and why not, it's a great program, and the security updates can
| still be downloaded from Microsoft and burned to CD). So the obvious
| question regarding Ginny's situation is, if she had the Office97 disk
could
| she have uninstalled IE6, installed IE4, navigated to Microsoft.com and
got
| IE6 going again from there?
|
| Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| The mystery still remains as to where MSXML 4.0 SP1 came from, and
| what disappeared those three other files, but what caused some grief
| was that the machine was out of disk space. So we made some, were
| able to get rid of the firewall and a couple of other things, update
| some apps, reinstall IE, etc. There is another firewall in the mix,
| on the Belkin router, and it seems to be blocking Avast!, too. So we
| discovered that leaving Web Shield out fixed the problem with Avast!,
| just before their tech response, though it doesn't explain how the
| no-browser-allowed problem was occurring when Avast! was completely
| uninstalled. Whatever, it's worked all day, today.
|
| I suspect further malware, but the system is 98 Original and is the
| original install. Had AOL for various years, then EarthLink, then
| this cable company, all with their installations of branded stuff,
| and the cable company's "reach into your system and FIX things"
| umbilical, it's hard to sort stuff out. Cleaned up what was necessary
| to clean up (machine will be replaced, soon.) Further scans need to
| be run and a HJT log done right.
|
| Had a problem with Outlook Express after reinstall of IE. Went to WU
| and got three updates, but then went back and one kept being
| reoffered. This was the issue:
| http://www.computing.net/answers/win...em/163986.html
|
| More to come if I remember more...
|
|
| "CdLSRN" wrote in message
| ...
| Thank you everyone! I really appreciate you sticking with me through
| this. Someone
| sent me the 3 DLL files I was missing. I installed them and was able
| to run the
| repair tool for IE6SP1. But that didn't help. I cleaned up my startup
| items with help
| from the group. I deleted a lot of unnecessary files. I download
| IE6sp1 zip from an
| e-mail and Gary walked my through the overinstall. I follow your
| advice on just about
| every post. Forgive me for not answering all but we spent about 24
| hours just going
| through this. This is my third day and we are finally fixed. I think
| what did it is I
| removed my firewall.....'Trial of Transgressions'....I think that
| was the name. and I
| only use Avast resident protection (virus scanner).....not web
| protection or e-mail.
| Spybot tea timer removed, as Gary said.
| I ran scandisk.
| I did so many things it's hard to remember them all. When I start my
| computer any
| referral to ports, or joysticks, or the soundcard that I never had
| are gone. A few
| little quirks remain such as when I try to send this e-mail, I get
| an error message
| that the outbox can't be opened. So I will bypass the outbox from
| now on and send
| messages right away. At least I can get online!!!
| thank you all.
|
|

**Gary S. Terhune[_2_]** · May 27th 08, 08:11 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

Uninstalling IE gives you two choices -- revert to the version that was
installed immediately before this one (IE 5.5, for instance) and only if the
backup files were saved. You can only do what you're suggesting by using a
third-party app to wipe every component of IE6 and previous versions. I
wouldn't want to do that. Besides, I think your version 4 of IE predates
that which was included in Win98 Gold (4.01), and you can't uninstall that
one, AFAIK.

Besides, the problem wasn't IE, per se, the main problem was firewall(s)
conflicting with Avast!'s WebShield. But then other strange things happened,
probably from whatever stuff the ISP installed, so we did what we could to
fix IE, replace missing files, etc., and it finally all seems to work
(except WebShield, since we haven't messed with her remaining firewall. Not
sure I want to do that over the phone. Not sure I can.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Roger Fink" wrote in message
...
I was a little too daunted by CdLSRN's long threads to finish reading
through them, I'm glad she is up and running again.
Anyway, a question. Last night I was installing Office97 in a laptop and I
noticed a folder on the CD, "VALUPACK". In VALUPACK there is a folder
IEXPLORE, and in the folder is the file IE4SETUP.EXE.

A lot of 98 users may still have this disk that came with their $2200.00
PII
desktops (and why not, it's a great program, and the security updates can
still be downloaded from Microsoft and burned to CD). So the obvious
question regarding Ginny's situation is, if she had the Office97 disk
could
she have uninstalled IE6, installed IE4, navigated to Microsoft.com and
got
IE6 going again from there?

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
The mystery still remains as to where MSXML 4.0 SP1 came from, and
what disappeared those three other files, but what caused some grief
was that the machine was out of disk space. So we made some, were
able to get rid of the firewall and a couple of other things, update
some apps, reinstall IE, etc. There is another firewall in the mix,
on the Belkin router, and it seems to be blocking Avast!, too. So we
discovered that leaving Web Shield out fixed the problem with Avast!,
just before their tech response, though it doesn't explain how the
no-browser-allowed problem was occurring when Avast! was completely
uninstalled. Whatever, it's worked all day, today.

I suspect further malware, but the system is 98 Original and is the
original install. Had AOL for various years, then EarthLink, then
this cable company, all with their installations of branded stuff,
and the cable company's "reach into your system and FIX things"
umbilical, it's hard to sort stuff out. Cleaned up what was necessary
to clean up (machine will be replaced, soon.) Further scans need to
be run and a HJT log done right.

Had a problem with Outlook Express after reinstall of IE. Went to WU
and got three updates, but then went back and one kept being
reoffered. This was the issue:
http://www.computing.net/answers/win...em/163986.html

More to come if I remember more...

"CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
Thank you everyone! I really appreciate you sticking with me through
this. Someone
sent me the 3 DLL files I was missing. I installed them and was able
to run the
repair tool for IE6SP1. But that didn't help. I cleaned up my startup
items with help
from the group. I deleted a lot of unnecessary files. I download
IE6sp1 zip from an
e-mail and Gary walked my through the overinstall. I follow your
advice on just about
every post. Forgive me for not answering all but we spent about 24
hours just going
through this. This is my third day and we are finally fixed. I think
what did it is I
removed my firewall.....'Trial of Transgressions'....I think that
was the name. and I
only use Avast resident protection (virus scanner).....not web
protection or e-mail.
Spybot tea timer removed, as Gary said.
I ran scandisk.
I did so many things it's hard to remember them all. When I start my
computer any
referral to ports, or joysticks, or the soundcard that I never had
are gone. A few
little quirks remain such as when I try to send this e-mail, I get
an error message
that the outbox can't be opened. So I will bypass the outbox from
now on and send
messages right away. At least I can get online!!!
thank you all.

**Gary S. Terhune[_2_]** · May 27th 08, 08:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

Only thing I can glean from that is that I see why the switch listed in that
exchange I linked to didn't work: It's /n:v, not /nv.

I dunno, I'm tired of it. There have been too many different versions of
IE/OE installed on the machine, starting with AOHell ten years ago and
ending with whatever her cable ISP installed. In any case, my test machine
is a mess from playing with that Auto-Patcher, and yet it would seem that
Windows Updates is not offering the some updates that it should be. 837009
is the latest one for OE, and even during all the testing I did when putting
together the Updates packages, I never saw any of these later versions, even
though they're supposed to be offered by WU.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...
837009 is listed on this system. The only 82**** in Add/Remove I presently
have is 823559. Its not shown in IE or iuhist either. Would this be
related
to the SecCD usage perhaps?

I agree, if that was, in fact, the supposed update/supercede, then that is
what should be offered. There were installation issues associated with it,
so MAYBE Microsoft determined it would just delete/not offer it or SecCD
somehow over-rides installation. It did, however, appear in the old
installations [not SecCD updated] documented in 2006.

Affected Softwa
. Microsoft Windows NT® Workstation 4.0 Service Pack 6a
. Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Service Pack 6a
. Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Terminal Server Edition Service Pack 6
. Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2, Microsoft Windows 2000 Service
Pack
3, Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 4
. Microsoft Windows XP and Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 1
. Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Service Pack 1
. Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Version 2003
. Microsoft Windows ServerT 2003
. Microsoft Windows Server 2003 64-Bit Edition
. Microsoft Windows 98, Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition (SE), and
Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition (Me) - Review the FAQ section of this
bulletin for details about these operating systems.

INFORMATION/DATA saved for 823353 shows [02/07 and 02/16 of 2006]:

Answering to PA Bear, now with 887797 and 897715 missing, 823353 is the
only
reported update by Windows update...

msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll are now 6.00.2800.1478 while wab32.dll is
6.00.2800.1106.

Well, msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll have the version numbers of the files
contained in KB887797 *not* KB823353 while the wab32.dll is the version
coming with plain SP1 (no KB823353 nor KB887797 installed). You have
a "wonderful" mix of versions there on your machine right now :-/

So I stress you to install KB823353 with the /n:v parameter once
again (IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe /n:v). Please try this one in
normal mode, *not* safe mode. Afterwards please compare the versions
of the following files with the ones on your machine - yes, *all*
of them! In the brackets you can find the version and date of the
files wich are contained in KB823353:

directdb.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003)
inetcomm.dll (6.0.2800.1441 - 07.06.2004)
inetres.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004)
msident.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004)
msimn.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004)
msoe.dll (6.0.2800.1437 - 26.05.2004)
msoeacct.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004)
msoeres.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004)
msoert2.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003)
oeimport.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004)
oemig50.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004)
oemiglib.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004)
wab32.dll (6.0.2800.1450 - 24.06.2004)
wab.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004)
wabfind.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004)
wabimp.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004)
wabmig.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003)

Could you please afterwards open Internet Explorer, have look in
"? - Info" and please post *all* what's listet there behind and
under the "Update Version" section? Yes *all* these "Q......"'s.

AND:

Date: Fri, Dec 16 2005 1:39 pm
From: "PA Bear"

Thanks, Freudi.

Dimitri, here's another description of how to do what Freudi's asked you
to
try:

paste
Close OE. Clear History, delete Cookies and delete Temporary Internet
Files
via IE: Tools Options General, then...

1. Download the Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 Service
Pack 1 (KB823353; all OSS) from the following link, saving it to your
Desktop:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

(or http://snipurl.com/8x9i)

[ Optional: 2. Restart the computer in Safe Mode. (During the reboot,
keep
pressing the F8 key until the Windows Startup menu appears Choose Safe
Mode Enter.) ]

3. Rename the downloaded file to KB823353.EXE and copy it to C:\ (the root
directory of drive C; assumes drive C is the boot drive)

4. Start Run (type in) C:\KB823353.EXE /N:V (Note the space) press
ENTER

5. Close the command window.

6. Reboot [into Windows] and then check in at Windows Update to see
KB823353
is still offered.
/paste

Don't install any other OE updates, just answer #6 above and either state
the current versions of MSOE.DLL and INETCOMM.DLL or post your reply using
OE instead of the web interface.
~PA Bear

Ottmar Freudenberger wrote:
snip
Okay, so you've skipped the steps I've mentioned after having KB823353
installed? ;-)

Uninstall them (KB887797 and KB897715) once again please.

After you've unistalled them, try to install KB823353 with the parameter
"/n:v".
Assuming you've saved the "IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe" file in
"C:\Downloads", you would have to enter the following in "Run" in the
Start menu:

C:\Downloads\IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe /n:v

Note, there's a blank after the EXE and no blank in the parameter.
Let me know, if the installation of KB823353 has been successful this
time
snip

Date: Fri, Dec 16 2005 6:19 pm
From: "PA Bear"

ActiveX controls may not load as expected in Internet Explorer due to
defense in depth changes introduced in cumulative security update 896688
(MS05-052): http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=909889

A Web page that contains a custom ActiveX control may not load as expected
in Internet Explorer due to defense in depth changes introduced in
cumulative security update 896688 (MS05-052):
http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=909738

= The fix detailed in 909889 involving the Registry and OLE32.DLL is
available at

- http://patch-info.de/IE/Downloads/OLEfix.zip or

- http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/kb896688_fix.zip (a small VB app that
checks the 4 values and offers a repair option if any of them are
incorrect).
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP, DTS-L.org

Ralf wrote:
I'd like to let the group know that the odd behavior issue which has
been
reported from various sources after installing the December Microsoft
Updates has been solved. I've posted the details on my blog at
http://www.rottmann.net .

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
| Oh yeah... That /nv switch didn't work when I tried it. What I don't get
is
| where she got 823353, since I've yet to see it offered by Windows
Updates.
| Thing is, KB823353 = MS04-18, whereas KB837009 = MS04-13. The notes in
| MS04-18 say that it replaces MS04-13.
|
| IOW, it would seem a failure of WU to not offer KB823353 to my system.
I'd
| be interested to know from folks: In Add/Remove Programs, do you have
either
| of these Updates listed (or both)?
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| ...
| Frankly I'm not sure. When done with everything else [file checks,
| anti-v/SpyWare, etc.] run C:\WINDOWS\QFECheck.exe and see if anything
is
| messed up.
| Might cross-check the Windows Update.log and iuhist.xml if you used
| windowsupdate during the process.
|
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
| "Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
| ...
| | Uninstalled 823353, installed 837009, reinstalled 82353. But I'm not
| clear
| | that that was the thing to do. We were getting blitzy, so I'm not
sure.
| |
| | --
| | Gary S. Terhune
| | MS-MVP Shell/User
| | www.grystmill.com
| |
| | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| | ...
| | Did you fix it with /N:V fix, or the reg entry, or are there still
| issues
| | with it? Just curious..
| |
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| | "Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
| | ...
| | | The mystery still remains as to where MSXML 4.0 SP1 came from,
and
| what
| | | disappeared those three other files, but what caused some grief
was
| that
| | the
| | | machine was out of disk space. So we made some, were able to get
rid
| of
| | the
| | | firewall and a couple of other things, update some apps,
reinstall
| IE,
| | etc.
| | | There is another firewall in the mix, on the Belkin router, and
it
| seems
| | to
| | | be blocking Avast!, too. So we discovered that leaving Web
Shield
| out
| | fixed
| | | the problem with Avast!, just before their tech response, though
it
| | doesn't
| | | explain how the no-browser-allowed problem was occurring when
Avast!
| was
| | | completely uninstalled. Whatever, it's worked all day, today.
| | |
| | | I suspect further malware, but the system is 98 Original and is
the
| | original
| | | install. Had AOL for various years, then EarthLink, then this
cable
| | company,
| | | all with their installations of branded stuff, and the cable
| company's
| | | "reach into your system and FIX things" umbilical, it's hard to
sort
| | stuff
| | | out. Cleaned up what was necessary to clean up (machine will be
| | replaced,
| | | soon.) Further scans need to be run and a HJT log done right.
| | |
| | | Had a problem with Outlook Express after reinstall of IE. Went
to
WU
| and
| | got
| | | three updates, but then went back and one kept being reoffered.
This
| was
| | the
| | | issue:
| | |
|
http://www.computing.net/answers/win...em/163986.html
| | |
| | | More to come if I remember more...
| | |
| | | --
| | | Gary S. Terhune
| | | MS-MVP Shell/User
| | | www.grystmill.com
| | |
| | |
| | | "CdLSRN" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | Thank you everyone! I really appreciate you sticking with me
| through
| | this.
| | | Someone
| | | sent me the 3 DLL files I was missing. I installed them and
was
| able
| | to
| | | run the
| | | repair tool for IE6SP1. But that didn't help. I cleaned up my
| startup
| | | items with help
| | | from the group. I deleted a lot of unnecessary files. I
download
| | IE6sp1
| | | zip from an
| | | e-mail and Gary walked my through the overinstall. I follow
your
| | advice
| | on
| | | just about
| | | every post. Forgive me for not answering all but we spent
about
24
| | hours
| | | just going
| | | through this. This is my third day and we are finally fixed. I
| think
| | what
| | | did it is I
| | | removed my firewall.....'Trial of Transgressions'....I think
that
| was
| | the
| | | name. and I
| | | only use Avast resident protection (virus scanner).....not web
| | protection
| | | or e-mail.
| | | Spybot tea timer removed, as Gary said.
| | | I ran scandisk.
| | | I did so many things it's hard to remember them all. When I
start
| my
| | | computer any
| | | referral to ports, or joysticks, or the soundcard that I never
had
| are
| | | gone. A few
| | | little quirks remain such as when I try to send this e-mail,
I
| get
| an
| | | error message
| | | that the outbox can't be opened. So I will bypass the outbox
from
| now
| | on
| | | and send
| | | messages right away. At least I can get online!!!
| | | thank you all.
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|

**Gary S. Terhune[_2_]** · May 27th 08, 09:13 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

If you follow proper security habits, including setting email apps to only
read messages in Plain Text, you never have to worry about any viruses
getting in. Doesn't matter what client you use. If you get a POS HTML email
that can't be read in PT, and you trust the source, then you can change to
view in HTML (in OE, anyway.)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

wrote in message
...
I should have mentioned that Outlook Express is very poor software
that will allow viruses to infect your computer. I wont even allow
that POS on my computer. I deleted the entire directory many years
ago. I'd highly recommend finding another email software as well as
another usenet software. (some do both, such as the newer versions of
Agent).

**MEB[_2_]** · May 27th 08, 09:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

**Gary S. Terhune[_2_]** · May 27th 08, 09:38 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

Makes no sense, part deux...

Result is that KB823353 is not considered a Critical Update and thus
shouldn't appear at WU. Yet it is listed as a replacement for KB837009 which
IS a Critical Update (and apparently for good reason.)

The SecUp CD precedes these Updates by a good two years. Shouldn't be any
part of the problem.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
Only thing I can glean from that is that I see why the switch listed in
that exchange I linked to didn't work: It's /n:v, not /nv.

I dunno, I'm tired of it. There have been too many different versions of
IE/OE installed on the machine, starting with AOHell ten years ago and
ending with whatever her cable ISP installed. In any case, my test machine
is a mess from playing with that Auto-Patcher, and yet it would seem that
Windows Updates is not offering the some updates that it should be. 837009
is the latest one for OE, and even during all the testing I did when
putting together the Updates packages, I never saw any of these later
versions, even though they're supposed to be offered by WU.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...
837009 is listed on this system. The only 82**** in Add/Remove I
presently
have is 823559. Its not shown in IE or iuhist either. Would this be
related
to the SecCD usage perhaps?

I agree, if that was, in fact, the supposed update/supercede, then that
is
what should be offered. There were installation issues associated with
it,
so MAYBE Microsoft determined it would just delete/not offer it or SecCD
somehow over-rides installation. It did, however, appear in the old
installations [not SecCD updated] documented in 2006.

Affected Softwa
. Microsoft Windows NT® Workstation 4.0 Service Pack 6a
. Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Service Pack 6a
. Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Terminal Server Edition Service Pack 6
. Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2, Microsoft Windows 2000 Service
Pack
3, Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 4
. Microsoft Windows XP and Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 1
. Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Service Pack 1
. Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Version 2003
. Microsoft Windows ServerT 2003
. Microsoft Windows Server 2003 64-Bit Edition
. Microsoft Windows 98, Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition (SE), and
Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition (Me) - Review the FAQ section of
this
bulletin for details about these operating systems.

INFORMATION/DATA saved for 823353 shows [02/07 and 02/16 of 2006]:

Answering to PA Bear, now with 887797 and 897715 missing, 823353 is the
only
reported update by Windows update...

msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll are now 6.00.2800.1478 while wab32.dll is
6.00.2800.1106.

Well, msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll have the version numbers of the files
contained in KB887797 *not* KB823353 while the wab32.dll is the version
coming with plain SP1 (no KB823353 nor KB887797 installed). You have
a "wonderful" mix of versions there on your machine right now :-/

So I stress you to install KB823353 with the /n:v parameter once
again (IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe /n:v). Please try this one in
normal mode, *not* safe mode. Afterwards please compare the versions
of the following files with the ones on your machine - yes, *all*
of them! In the brackets you can find the version and date of the
files wich are contained in KB823353:

directdb.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003)
inetcomm.dll (6.0.2800.1441 - 07.06.2004)
inetres.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004)
msident.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004)
msimn.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004)
msoe.dll (6.0.2800.1437 - 26.05.2004)
msoeacct.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004)
msoeres.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004)
msoert2.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003)
oeimport.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004)
oemig50.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004)
oemiglib.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004)
wab32.dll (6.0.2800.1450 - 24.06.2004)
wab.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004)
wabfind.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004)
wabimp.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004)
wabmig.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003)

Could you please afterwards open Internet Explorer, have look in
"? - Info" and please post *all* what's listet there behind and
under the "Update Version" section? Yes *all* these "Q......"'s.

AND:

Date: Fri, Dec 16 2005 1:39 pm
From: "PA Bear"

Thanks, Freudi.

Dimitri, here's another description of how to do what Freudi's asked you
to
try:

paste
Close OE. Clear History, delete Cookies and delete Temporary Internet
Files
via IE: Tools Options General, then...

1. Download the Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 Service
Pack 1 (KB823353; all OSS) from the following link, saving it to your
Desktop:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

(or http://snipurl.com/8x9i)

[ Optional: 2. Restart the computer in Safe Mode. (During the reboot,
keep
pressing the F8 key until the Windows Startup menu appears Choose Safe
Mode Enter.) ]

3. Rename the downloaded file to KB823353.EXE and copy it to C:\ (the
root
directory of drive C; assumes drive C is the boot drive)

4. Start Run (type in) C:\KB823353.EXE /N:V (Note the space) press
ENTER

5. Close the command window.

6. Reboot [into Windows] and then check in at Windows Update to see
KB823353
is still offered.
/paste

Don't install any other OE updates, just answer #6 above and either state
the current versions of MSOE.DLL and INETCOMM.DLL or post your reply
using
OE instead of the web interface.
~PA Bear

Ottmar Freudenberger wrote:
snip
Okay, so you've skipped the steps I've mentioned after having KB823353
installed? ;-)

Uninstall them (KB887797 and KB897715) once again please.

After you've unistalled them, try to install KB823353 with the parameter
"/n:v".
Assuming you've saved the "IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe" file in
"C:\Downloads", you would have to enter the following in "Run" in the
Start menu:

C:\Downloads\IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe /n:v

Note, there's a blank after the EXE and no blank in the parameter.
Let me know, if the installation of KB823353 has been successful this
time
snip

Date: Fri, Dec 16 2005 6:19 pm
From: "PA Bear"

ActiveX controls may not load as expected in Internet Explorer due to
defense in depth changes introduced in cumulative security update 896688
(MS05-052): http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=909889

A Web page that contains a custom ActiveX control may not load as
expected
in Internet Explorer due to defense in depth changes introduced in
cumulative security update 896688 (MS05-052):
http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=909738

= The fix detailed in 909889 involving the Registry and OLE32.DLL is
available at

- http://patch-info.de/IE/Downloads/OLEfix.zip or

- http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/kb896688_fix.zip (a small VB app that
checks the 4 values and offers a repair option if any of them are
incorrect).
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP, DTS-L.org

Ralf wrote:
I'd like to let the group know that the odd behavior issue which has
been
reported from various sources after installing the December Microsoft
Updates has been solved. I've posted the details on my blog at
http://www.rottmann.net .

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
| Oh yeah... That /nv switch didn't work when I tried it. What I don't
get
is
| where she got 823353, since I've yet to see it offered by Windows
Updates.
| Thing is, KB823353 = MS04-18, whereas KB837009 = MS04-13. The notes in
| MS04-18 say that it replaces MS04-13.
|
| IOW, it would seem a failure of WU to not offer KB823353 to my system.
I'd
| be interested to know from folks: In Add/Remove Programs, do you have
either
| of these Updates listed (or both)?
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| ...
| Frankly I'm not sure. When done with everything else [file checks,
| anti-v/SpyWare, etc.] run C:\WINDOWS\QFECheck.exe and see if anything
is
| messed up.
| Might cross-check the Windows Update.log and iuhist.xml if you used
| windowsupdate during the process.
|
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
| "Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
| ...
| | Uninstalled 823353, installed 837009, reinstalled 82353. But I'm
not
| clear
| | that that was the thing to do. We were getting blitzy, so I'm not
sure.
| |
| | --
| | Gary S. Terhune
| | MS-MVP Shell/User
| | www.grystmill.com
| |
| | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| | ...
| | Did you fix it with /N:V fix, or the reg entry, or are there
still
| issues
| | with it? Just curious..
| |
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| | "Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
| | ...
| | | The mystery still remains as to where MSXML 4.0 SP1 came from,
and
| what
| | | disappeared those three other files, but what caused some grief
was
| that
| | the
| | | machine was out of disk space. So we made some, were able to
get
rid
| of
| | the
| | | firewall and a couple of other things, update some apps,
reinstall
| IE,
| | etc.
| | | There is another firewall in the mix, on the Belkin router, and
it
| seems
| | to
| | | be blocking Avast!, too. So we discovered that leaving Web
Shield
| out
| | fixed
| | | the problem with Avast!, just before their tech response,
though
it
| | doesn't
| | | explain how the no-browser-allowed problem was occurring when
Avast!
| was
| | | completely uninstalled. Whatever, it's worked all day, today.
| | |
| | | I suspect further malware, but the system is 98 Original and is
the
| | original
| | | install. Had AOL for various years, then EarthLink, then this
cable
| | company,
| | | all with their installations of branded stuff, and the cable
| company's
| | | "reach into your system and FIX things" umbilical, it's hard to
sort
| | stuff
| | | out. Cleaned up what was necessary to clean up (machine will be
| | replaced,
| | | soon.) Further scans need to be run and a HJT log done right.
| | |
| | | Had a problem with Outlook Express after reinstall of IE. Went
to
WU
| and
| | got
| | | three updates, but then went back and one kept being reoffered.
This
| was
| | the
| | | issue:
| | |
|
http://www.computing.net/answers/win...em/163986.html
| | |
| | | More to come if I remember more...
| | |
| | | --
| | | Gary S. Terhune
| | | MS-MVP Shell/User
| | | www.grystmill.com
| | |
| | |
| | | "CdLSRN" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | Thank you everyone! I really appreciate you sticking with me
| through
| | this.
| | | Someone
| | | sent me the 3 DLL files I was missing. I installed them and
was
| able
| | to
| | | run the
| | | repair tool for IE6SP1. But that didn't help. I cleaned up my
| startup
| | | items with help
| | | from the group. I deleted a lot of unnecessary files. I
download
| | IE6sp1
| | | zip from an
| | | e-mail and Gary walked my through the overinstall. I follow
your
| | advice
| | on
| | | just about
| | | every post. Forgive me for not answering all but we spent
about
24
| | hours
| | | just going
| | | through this. This is my third day and we are finally fixed.
I
| think
| | what
| | | did it is I
| | | removed my firewall.....'Trial of Transgressions'....I think
that
| was
| | the
| | | name. and I
| | | only use Avast resident protection (virus scanner).....not
web
| | protection
| | | or e-mail.
| | | Spybot tea timer removed, as Gary said.
| | | I ran scandisk.
| | | I did so many things it's hard to remember them all. When I
start
| my
| | | computer any
| | | referral to ports, or joysticks, or the soundcard that I
never
had
| are
| | | gone. A few
| | | little quirks remain such as when I try to send this e-mail,
I
| get
| an
| | | error message
| | | that the outbox can't be opened. So I will bypass the outbox
from
| now
| | on
| | | and send
| | | messages right away. At least I can get online!!!
| | | thank you all.
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|

**Etal** · May 27th 08, 10:22 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

The mystery still remains as to where MSXML 4.0 SP1 came from, and

If you think it is of importance to find out, and if the
[msXML4*.*] files haven't been (security-)updated since
originally installed.
Then i would check their creation date, and then search the
HardDiskVolumes for files created that date. If there are many
files created that day, i'd sort files by modification-date.
Unfortunately the result-list doesn't have a Creation-date column
but many times, sometimes even if the application responsible for
installing the files under investigation have been uninstalled,
there are other tell-tale files left behind that can shed light
on it.

--
"They can be a terror to your mind and show you how to hold your
tongue
They got mystery written all over their forehead"

**Angel** · May 27th 08, 11:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

Hi all,
You can also use that method in the yahoo web mail.
Angel

"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
: If you follow proper security habits, including setting email apps to only
: read messages in Plain Text, you never have to worry about any viruses
: getting in. Doesn't matter what client you use. If you get a POS HTML
email
: that can't be read in PT, and you trust the source, then you can change to
: view in HTML (in OE, anyway.)
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS-MVP Shell/User
: www.grystmill.com
:
: wrote in message
: ...
: I should have mentioned that Outlook Express is very poor software
: that will allow viruses to infect your computer. I wont even allow
: that POS on my computer. I deleted the entire directory many years
: ago. I'd highly recommend finding another email software as well as
: another usenet software. (some do both, such as the newer versions of
: Agent).
:

**MEB[_2_]** · May 27th 08, 11:45 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

**Roger Fink** · May 28th 08, 12:19 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

http://www.avast.com/eng/faq-home-webshield.html
This is pretty much the avast "anchor page" for all things Webshield+Win98,
complete with links to inspirational videos (I'm sure by this point you'd
rather be doing something else)

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Uninstalling IE gives you two choices -- revert to the version that
was installed immediately before this one (IE 5.5, for instance) and
only if the backup files were saved. You can only do what you're
suggesting by using a third-party app to wipe every component of IE6
and previous versions. I wouldn't want to do that. Besides, I think
your version 4 of IE predates that which was included in Win98 Gold
(4.01), and you can't uninstall that one, AFAIK.

Besides, the problem wasn't IE, per se, the main problem was
firewall(s) conflicting with Avast!'s WebShield. But then other
strange things happened, probably from whatever stuff the ISP
installed, so we did what we could to fix IE, replace missing files,
etc., and it finally all seems to work (except WebShield, since we
haven't messed with her remaining firewall. Not sure I want to do
that over the phone. Not sure I can.

"Roger Fink" wrote in message
...
I was a little too daunted by CdLSRN's long threads to finish reading
through them, I'm glad she is up and running again.
Anyway, a question. Last night I was installing Office97 in a laptop
and I noticed a folder on the CD, "VALUPACK". In VALUPACK there is a
folder IEXPLORE, and in the folder is the file IE4SETUP.EXE.

A lot of 98 users may still have this disk that came with their
$2200.00 PII
desktops (and why not, it's a great program, and the security
updates can still be downloaded from Microsoft and burned to CD). So
the obvious question regarding Ginny's situation is, if she had the
Office97 disk could
she have uninstalled IE6, installed IE4, navigated to Microsoft.com
and got
IE6 going again from there?

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
The mystery still remains as to where MSXML 4.0 SP1 came from, and
what disappeared those three other files, but what caused some grief
was that the machine was out of disk space. So we made some, were
able to get rid of the firewall and a couple of other things, update
some apps, reinstall IE, etc. There is another firewall in the mix,
on the Belkin router, and it seems to be blocking Avast!, too. So we
discovered that leaving Web Shield out fixed the problem with
Avast!, just before their tech response, though it doesn't explain
how the no-browser-allowed problem was occurring when Avast! was
completely uninstalled. Whatever, it's worked all day, today.

I suspect further malware, but the system is 98 Original and is the
original install. Had AOL for various years, then EarthLink, then
this cable company, all with their installations of branded stuff,
and the cable company's "reach into your system and FIX things"
umbilical, it's hard to sort stuff out. Cleaned up what was
necessary
to clean up (machine will be replaced, soon.) Further scans need to
be run and a HJT log done right.

Had a problem with Outlook Express after reinstall of IE. Went to WU
and got three updates, but then went back and one kept being
reoffered. This was the issue:
http://www.computing.net/answers/win...em/163986.html

More to come if I remember more...

"CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
Thank you everyone! I really appreciate you sticking with me
through this. Someone
sent me the 3 DLL files I was missing. I installed them and was
able
to run the
repair tool for IE6SP1. But that didn't help. I cleaned up my
startup items with help
from the group. I deleted a lot of unnecessary files. I download
IE6sp1 zip from an
e-mail and Gary walked my through the overinstall. I follow your
advice on just about
every post. Forgive me for not answering all but we spent about 24
hours just going
through this. This is my third day and we are finally fixed. I
think what did it is I
removed my firewall.....'Trial of Transgressions'....I think that
was the name. and I
only use Avast resident protection (virus scanner).....not web
protection or e-mail.
Spybot tea timer removed, as Gary said.
I ran scandisk.
I did so many things it's hard to remember them all. When I start
my computer any
referral to ports, or joysticks, or the soundcard that I never had
are gone. A few
little quirks remain such as when I try to send this e-mail, I get
an error message
that the outbox can't be opened. So I will bypass the outbox from
now on and send
messages right away. At least I can get online!!!
thank you all.

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