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Question for Fanboys: Is Win 7 Finally It?
Top-Poaster Jeff Richards wrote:
Your comments relate only to the OEM versions of Windows 7 and are not applicable to full or upgrade versions, which can be purchased over the counter or online for installation on any suitable PC. Go back and read what I said. I said that the vast majority of people will experience Windows-7 only because they are buying new machines, as is the case with all previous versions of windows. VERY FEW people and corporations (relatively speaking) buy retail versions of Windows for installation on existing hardware. |
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Question for Fanboys: Is Win 7 Finally It?
Top-Poaster Jeff Richards wrote:
Your comments relate only to the OEM versions of Windows 7 and are not applicable to full or upgrade versions, which can be purchased over the counter or online for installation on any suitable PC. Go back and read what I said. I said that the vast majority of people will experience Windows-7 only because they are buying new machines, as is the case with all previous versions of windows. VERY FEW people and corporations (relatively speaking) buy retail versions of Windows for installation on existing hardware. |
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Question for Fanboys: Is Win 7 Finally It?
John John - MVP wrote:
The number one reason is that their current PC has become bogged down by malware, and they feel that their only practical recourse is a new machine. That certainly isn't my findings with any of the people that I have worked with Is that because you helped them? Is that what you mean by "worked with" ? Re-installing their OS and replacing their apps and personal files properly is not a talent that the vast majority of PC users have. I would say that the number one reason why people change their computer is that they can't run the newer software or some of the new gadgets that they buy on their computer. Tell me what XP can't do these days. Because that's what we're REALLY talking about. Don't put forward that the typical migration case is win-98 to win-7. Right behind the need to change for new gadgets or software Which most people don't have a problem with because XP has been the defacto OS on PC's for the past 7 years. So again, your reasoning is weak. Again, the reason why most people buy new PC's is because their existing PC is too bogged down with malware. And those existing PC's are running XP, not win-98. |
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Question for Fanboys: Is Win 7 Finally It?
John John - MVP wrote:
The number one reason is that their current PC has become bogged down by malware, and they feel that their only practical recourse is a new machine. That certainly isn't my findings with any of the people that I have worked with Is that because you helped them? Is that what you mean by "worked with" ? Re-installing their OS and replacing their apps and personal files properly is not a talent that the vast majority of PC users have. I would say that the number one reason why people change their computer is that they can't run the newer software or some of the new gadgets that they buy on their computer. Tell me what XP can't do these days. Because that's what we're REALLY talking about. Don't put forward that the typical migration case is win-98 to win-7. Right behind the need to change for new gadgets or software Which most people don't have a problem with because XP has been the defacto OS on PC's for the past 7 years. So again, your reasoning is weak. Again, the reason why most people buy new PC's is because their existing PC is too bogged down with malware. And those existing PC's are running XP, not win-98. |
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Question for Fanboys: Is Win 7 Finally It?
98 Guy wrote:
Again, the reason why most people buy new PC's is because their existing PC is too bogged down with malware. And those existing PC's are running XP, not win-98. Nonsense, only idiots replace computers to repair malware alone, there would usually be other contributing factors and a malware infestation might just be the straw that broke the camel's back, it wouldn't be the number one or the sole reason. Not all people are as dumb as you think and as far as XP is concerned sticking an OEM restore disk or using an OEM restore partition is so easy to do that even you could do it. And if you weren't talking about Windows 98 then why did you post here, in a Windows 98 group? Bye. John |
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Question for Fanboys: Is Win 7 Finally It?
98 Guy wrote:
Again, the reason why most people buy new PC's is because their existing PC is too bogged down with malware. And those existing PC's are running XP, not win-98. Nonsense, only idiots replace computers to repair malware alone, there would usually be other contributing factors and a malware infestation might just be the straw that broke the camel's back, it wouldn't be the number one or the sole reason. Not all people are as dumb as you think and as far as XP is concerned sticking an OEM restore disk or using an OEM restore partition is so easy to do that even you could do it. And if you weren't talking about Windows 98 then why did you post here, in a Windows 98 group? Bye. John |
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Question for Fanboys: Is Win 7 Finally It?
John John wrote:
Again, the reason why most people buy new PC's is because their existing PC is too bogged down with malware. And those existing PC's are running XP, not win-98. Nonsense, only idiots replace computers to repair malware alone, there would usually be other contributing factors and a malware infestation might just be the straw that broke the camel's back, it wouldn't be the number one or the sole reason. ---------------- http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/technology/17spy.html Mr. Tucker, an Internet industry executive who holds a Ph.D. in computer science, decided that rather than take the time to remove the offending software, he would spend $400 on a new machine. He is not alone in his surrender in the face of growing legions of digital pests, not only adware and spyware but computer viruses and other Internet-borne infections as well. Many PC owners are simply replacing embattled machines rather than fixing them. "I was spending time every week trying to keep the machine free of viruses and worms," said Mr. Tucker, a vice president of Salesforce.com, a Web services firm based here. "I was losing the battle. It was cheaper and faster to go to the store and buy a low-end PC." ---------------- That was 4 years ago, and it's probably even more common now. Not all people are as dumb as you think and as far as XP is concerned sticking an OEM restore disk or using an OEM restore partition is so easy to do that even you could do it. It's not a question of being dumb. It's a question of experience and knowledge. It's a fact that the average PC user has no idea how to go about re-installing their OS and all the apps on their machine. And for most people, their OEM disk went AWOL a long time ago. And if you weren't talking about Windows 98 then why did you post here, in a Windows 98 group? Why are you incapable of following the logic and flow of this thread? The OP of this thread (which wasn't me) started this by putting forward the idea that Windows 7 was finally going to the the OS that gets people to migrate away from Windows 98. In response I stated the reasons why that would not likely be the case. The reasons being: 1) the vast majority of people don't play the retail-upgrade game with their PC's, but instead they simply by a new machine with the latest OS pre-installed. 2) anyone still running ONLY win-98 is likely to have a low-performance machine which would make it frustrating to run XP on, let alone Seven, so migrating to Seven on their existing hardware is no more likely for them than it would have been a few years ago to migrate to XP or Vista. 3) XP is a much better migration destination than Seven. |
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Question for Fanboys: Is Win 7 Finally It?
John John wrote:
Again, the reason why most people buy new PC's is because their existing PC is too bogged down with malware. And those existing PC's are running XP, not win-98. Nonsense, only idiots replace computers to repair malware alone, there would usually be other contributing factors and a malware infestation might just be the straw that broke the camel's back, it wouldn't be the number one or the sole reason. ---------------- http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/technology/17spy.html Mr. Tucker, an Internet industry executive who holds a Ph.D. in computer science, decided that rather than take the time to remove the offending software, he would spend $400 on a new machine. He is not alone in his surrender in the face of growing legions of digital pests, not only adware and spyware but computer viruses and other Internet-borne infections as well. Many PC owners are simply replacing embattled machines rather than fixing them. "I was spending time every week trying to keep the machine free of viruses and worms," said Mr. Tucker, a vice president of Salesforce.com, a Web services firm based here. "I was losing the battle. It was cheaper and faster to go to the store and buy a low-end PC." ---------------- That was 4 years ago, and it's probably even more common now. Not all people are as dumb as you think and as far as XP is concerned sticking an OEM restore disk or using an OEM restore partition is so easy to do that even you could do it. It's not a question of being dumb. It's a question of experience and knowledge. It's a fact that the average PC user has no idea how to go about re-installing their OS and all the apps on their machine. And for most people, their OEM disk went AWOL a long time ago. And if you weren't talking about Windows 98 then why did you post here, in a Windows 98 group? Why are you incapable of following the logic and flow of this thread? The OP of this thread (which wasn't me) started this by putting forward the idea that Windows 7 was finally going to the the OS that gets people to migrate away from Windows 98. In response I stated the reasons why that would not likely be the case. The reasons being: 1) the vast majority of people don't play the retail-upgrade game with their PC's, but instead they simply by a new machine with the latest OS pre-installed. 2) anyone still running ONLY win-98 is likely to have a low-performance machine which would make it frustrating to run XP on, let alone Seven, so migrating to Seven on their existing hardware is no more likely for them than it would have been a few years ago to migrate to XP or Vista. 3) XP is a much better migration destination than Seven. |
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Question for Fanboys: Is Win 7 Finally It?
98 Guy wrote in :
SNIP ---------------- http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/technology/17spy.html Mr. Tucker, an Internet industry executive who holds a Ph.D. in computer science, decided that rather than take the time to remove the offending software, he would spend $400 on a new machine. He is not alone in his surrender in the face of growing legions of digital pests, not only adware and spyware but computer viruses and other Internet-borne infections as well. Many PC owners are simply replacing embattled machines rather than fixing them. "I was spending time every week trying to keep the machine free of viruses and worms," said Mr. Tucker, a vice president of Salesforce.com, a Web services firm based here. "I was losing the battle. It was cheaper and faster to go to the store and buy a low-end PC." ---------------- A rather long, but perfect definition of a moron. What makes this cretin think the new machine won't be as malware-ridden as this present one in a few weeks? That was 4 years ago, and it's probably even more common now. Not all people are as dumb as you think and as far as XP is concerned sticking an OEM restore disk or using an OEM restore partition is so easy to do that even you could do it. Actually, a lot of people have serious problems doing system restores. As usual, it's a very badly designed feature, and if people didn't make a disk from the "semi-hidden backup partition", they're ****ed. The OP of this thread (which wasn't me) started this by putting forward the idea that Windows 7 was finally going to the the OS that gets people to migrate away from Windows 98. In response I stated the reasons why that would not likely be the case. The reasons being: 1) the vast majority of people don't play the retail-upgrade game with their PC's, but instead they simply by a new machine with the latest OS pre-installed. 2) anyone still running ONLY win-98 is likely to have a low-performance machine which would make it frustrating to run XP on, let alone Seven, so migrating to Seven on their existing hardware is no more likely for them than it would have been a few years ago to migrate to XP or Vista. 3) XP is a much better migration destination than Seven. -- There are only two classifications of disk drives: Broken drives and those that will break later. - Chuck Armstrong |
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Question for Fanboys: Is Win 7 Finally It?
John John - MVP wrote in
: 98 Guy wrote: And it's not necessarily the desire to "migrate" to a new version of windows that's the reason why people buy new machines. The number one reason is that their current PC has become bogged down by malware, and they feel that their only practical recourse is a new machine. There is no cure for stupidity. Oh well, I guess it keeps the Chinese economy growing, so it's a good thing. Gotta keep building jails for those dissidents. That certainly isn't my findings with any of the people that I have worked with, fixing malware or bloat problems is easy, at worse a wipe and reinstall and with a good backup set your back in business. YOU know it, but most people know nothing. I would say that the number one reason why people change their computer is that they can't run the newer software or some of the new gadgets that they buy on their computer. There hasn't been anything "new" worthwhile written for years - it's all rewrites of stuff from 10-30 years ago with 20 or 50 MB of eye candy and useless bloat and "features" no-one knows about or would understand (let alone use) if even if s/he did. Your printer goes pouff! and none of the new printers out there have drivers for Windows 9x. I have a 12 year old HP laser printer which works better than when I first got it (I finally installed the little "don't pull in more than one sheet at a time" thingy a couple of years ago). Quality printers rarely go "pouff", there are many HPII's still running, and all the idiots who bought **** inkjets whose makers claimed a muddy brown and grayish blue were "colors" deserve what they got. Computers should help us to be "paperless". And if emailing files instead of printing them isn't good enough for you, with PDF - and many other formats - you can print anything you want in a cafe or computer shop on your block, let alone a service bureau if you are serious. I don't care what people say, the moron staff factor aside, if you want top quality, you still have to go to a service bureau. Sure, it's a little bit more trouble, but both a LOT better and probably cheaper in the long run. That hot new game that everybody is flocking to buy doesn't run on Windows 9x. The "hot new game" is 99.9% eye and ear candy and .1% content - directly copied from a game developed 15 or 20 years ago. You've been told by your software vendor /VENDOR/ that your DOS accounting suite will no longer be supported and that next year you will not have a new payroll module unless you upgrade to the new versions which aren't supported on Windows 98. Are we getting an entirely new salary/tax/payroll structure? I know of a company which has been running a 30 year old proprietary acct/inventory/payroll system for - yes, 30 years. I think they're idiots since any Win3 program can do better, but still - nothing new under the sun, except bull**** and more greed then ever thought possible. And the list goes on. Right behind the need to change for new gadgets or software I would say that the next most common reason is that folks want faster newer machines They should bring amphetamines back and make them prescription- free. That would solve this idiotic obsession with speed. DOS is faster than Win7 and everyone who knows anything knows it. -- There are only two classifications of disk drives: Broken drives and those that will break later. - Chuck Armstrong |
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