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"Bill in Co." wrote in message But since you have made all these changes, I wonder if it works (solves the Explorer file copy/delete hang problem) on a system which has not had all these changes made in the first place. (That is, only All what changes ..all I did was swap to a newer version shell32.dll & kernel32.dll - that's the only changes that I did - absolutely no registry changes are needed if you don't want the uninstall listed in AR to reverse it ..if you do then use the installer which is harmlessly simple. Track it and see for yourself. changing shell32 on a system with IE6 SP1 which has not been otherwise modified) To clarify though, I changed both the shell32.dll & kernel32.dll If I understand your whole paragraph right, the answer is yes, I would assume anyway it worksaround the issue even if on a virgin Win9xIE6x install. I could restore some virgin 9xIE6x partition saves to prove it out, but I need more reason to verify that at this point and will just say yes it will. Thinking about it in the slush of reading threads over there yesterday I remember reading someone did test it on that scenario. What is also interesting is that these changes were solely made to shell32.dll, and didn't need to involve the two browse DLL files. So one might expect that the results could possibly be different, at least in some cases, and that maybe this shell32.dll workaround is not as infallable (in regards to the large number of files copy/delete issue) as the 2 DLL file swap (disregarding the alleged security issues). I understand your point and why you would say that, but the author of the fix says it's mostlikely not in browse dlls in the first place but that's only what brought the anomaly forward to the surface. He also is upfront saying it's still a 'workaround' for the problem - and not an exact solve. He talked about it in a little here and there, one place was at this link and his reply is in the quoted white text. http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?...ost&p=57213 7 Don't know....just throwing this out here... Ask them about if you have more questions. Rick ........ps, just talking outloud, a few years ago when I saw the W98SP2 that was being offered by some techs originating from that forum, I naturally had to check it out and test it, and did so on a test partition installed and tracked it to see what it was all about. I respected it and some of the changes were inline with updating it, and imo some of the other modifications where not at all for me and so I never used or had/have a need for it. This year I see there are even more of a variety of unofficial updates there now (besides the two I've installed) that I will mostlikely test install in the future, and I have a feeling will mostlikely keep them as well. I like that forum; I respect the advanced users there and much appreciate what they offer to do, and have the ability to do - and do do it. I will frequently read that forum much more now. |
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"MEB" meb@not wrote in message [....] Apparently, it is not even considered as viable now in the other Forum's ? not viable ...I think I saw that drift from someone - maybe it was the timeline and who wrote it, but other threads were stated that it works just fine as others attested to it - I see they are even making different language versions of the dll today so that may say something. I think it's worth considering at this point, and time will tell. I'm gladly using/testing it. We'll just keep an eye on it is all since it's new yet and not everyone understood the problem in the first place that's for sure. Besides in perspective W9x is not used by as many anymore so the whole issue will get less attention. Rick thread [which Rick and I referenced], it has drifted off into other far reaching aspects, much to the dismay of the moderator. Rather like threads sometimes become here. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ |
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Rick - what are your thoughts regarding the use of the Win-2K patch for MS06-072 on a Win-98 system? I notice you (and the other MVP's) have been silent about it. Is there any particular reason for that silence? |
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"98 Guy" wrote in message Rick - what are your thoughts regarding the use of the Win-2K patch for MS06-072 on a Win-98 system? I notice you (and the other MVP's) have been silent about it. Is there any particular reason for that silence? Wasn't there that song Silence Is Golden by Gene Pitney ....or am I dating my age I guess the point is this being the official MS forum then not a likely place for MVP's etc to talk about non-ms unofficial updates. I see you singed up over there too Then you know, or will know that they offer the ie925454.exe (is the ms kb925454 ms06-072 ) which is an adaptation of the latest IE Cumulative specifically for W98SE - interesting isn't it! At first it may be hard to find your way around over there to get the hang of the different forum and website pages connected to it. However you can find the ie925454.exe on this webpage adn is the first one on the list, under the heading of something like- ...The monster list of unofficial hotfixes for W98 SE http://www.msfn.org/board/?showtopic=84886 ..hope it's okay to post that and if not apologies and delete my post. As usual before you install it just use a test bed, or if you don't have one or then make a partition image of your C for backup - and install away and of course Track it! ....if you don't like it, image it away or reverse it. ..easy to do. My setups are indestructible anyway so I have no problem testing what I feel is appropriate for me. Feeling adventurous, and being setupwise indestructible, I just installed this latest IE Cumulative as well as the latest OE Cumulative - they installed fine, complete registry and file tracking results looks perfectly normal and I can't tell the difference; I'm impressed quite frankly. YMMV read MEB's disclaimer nite, Rick |
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Rick Chauvin wrote:
I guess the point is this being the official MS forum then not a likely place for MVP's etc to talk about non-ms unofficial updates. That may have been one way to look at this forum - back when MS was still supporting Win-98. But now that they have abandoned it, it would be sad to think that you and the other MVP's would feel chained down by some concious (or unconcious) Microsoft mindset. Remember, this is an internet newsgroup. It's not a private Microsoft-hosted web forum. The explorations that myself and others are doing to determine the stability of patching 98 with non-98 offerings from MS will grow in importance here in this news group, and it would be unfortunate for you and the other MVP's to feel constrained to not take an interest in these topics. I see you singed up over there too Yes, because there seems to be a particular aversion by the experts here to talk about them. Then you know, or will know that they offer the ie925454.exe (is the ms kb925454 ms06-072 ) which is an adaptation of the latest IE Cumulative specifically for W98SE - interesting isn't it! Which, it seems to me, is essentially composed of files taken from the win-2k patch - which is what I proposed last Wednesday. http://www.msfn.org/board/?showtopic=84886 ..hope it's okay to post that and if not apologies and delete my post. Rick, you have got to be less deprecating of yourself and stop treating this newsgroup as a shrine to Microsoft. Your post will not, can not and should not be deleted because it is now circulating world-wide on nntp servers everywhere. |
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"98 Guy" wrote in message Rick Chauvin wrote: I guess the point is this being the official MS forum then not a likely place for MVP's etc to talk about non-ms unofficial updates. That may have been one way to look at this forum - back when MS was still supporting Win-98. But now that they have abandoned it, it would be sad to think that you and the other MVP's would feel chained down by some concious (or unconcious) Microsoft mindset. Don't misunderstand me and my intentions of where I'm concerned here... Remember, this is an internet newsgroup. It's not a private Microsoft-hosted web forum. Irregardless if the whole usernet world picks it up afterwards, I still post and am subscribed directly to msnews.microsoft.com The explorations that myself and others are doing to determine the stability of patching 98 with non-98 offerings from MS will grow in I understand and that's great, but I would think it's better served at the other forum rather than on this particular forum. importance here in this news group, and it would be unfortunate for you and the other MVP's to feel constrained to not take an interest in these topics. Me not take an interest? ..where have you been for all these years. I see you singed up over there too Yes, because there seems to be a particular aversion by the experts here to talk about them. Again it makes good sense and the whole process is better served to address it all on the other forums, and not this particular one. I don't understand why you do see the reasons why that is.. Then you know, or will know that they offer the ie925454.exe (is the ms kb925454 ms06-072 ) which is an adaptation of the latest IE Cumulative specifically for W98SE - interesting isn't it! Which, it seems to me, is essentially composed of files taken from the win-2k patch - which is what I proposed last Wednesday. Yes of course, and they modify it; that's all talked about there isn't it. I may have missed if you posted about it here - what post is that? I've been extremely busy to read every thread when I get home from work, but again I wouldn't take what's there and talk about details openly here - it makes good sense not to. If you were planning to have an affair - would you come home and ask your wife about how to do it? Same analogy here. http://www.msfn.org/board/?showtopic=84886 ..hope it's okay to post that and if not apologies and delete my post. Rick, you have got to be less deprecating of yourself and stop treating this newsgroup as a shrine to Microsoft. Your post will not, can not and should not be deleted because it is now circulating world-wide on nntp servers everywhere. Huh, shrine... notta, you misunderstand my tone. You see to me it's a matter of unspoken respect or honor if you will, on a number of levels - with nothing and no one excluded, irregardless of all the emotional expressions that some feel against ms corporate. I have no feelings for or against; I've come from the corporate world and understand it - I'm also a regular guy, who understands both sides of the worldly coin. I prefer and am more effective to work in-between the scenes. Trust me when I say that in no way do I feel I've deprecating myself in any way shape or form, actually I am appreciating myself in honor of the values I feel - and I wish you knew the difference of where I was coming from when I say the things I do. I would of preferred your post thanking me for the information I gave and work I've done in the past Don't judge a book by it cover, look within. ...it's past my bedtime, and now I've got my wife mad at me for not watching the Christmas movie on TV with here rather than watching my computer - what's a guy to do. nite, Rick |
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"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message ... | | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | | | [....] | | Apparently, it is not even considered as viable now in the other Forum's | | ? not viable ...I think I saw that drift from someone - maybe it was the | timeline and who wrote it, but other threads were stated that it works just | fine as others attested to it - I see they are even making different | language versions of the dll today so that may say something. I think it's | worth considering at this point, and time will tell. I'm gladly | using/testing it. That there was difficulty reported? Perhaps I missed that. I meant the discussion had moved on to other things such as mention of the 48bit HD, the second 2gig test file, and other? | | We'll just keep an eye on it is all since it's new yet and not everyone | understood the problem in the first place that's for sure. Besides in | perspective W9x is not used by as many anymore so the whole issue will get | less attention. | | Rick I agree, this would only be relevent to people still using Win 98, SE for the most part. | | thread [which Rick and I referenced], it has drifted off into other far | reaching aspects, much to the dismay of the moderator. Rather like | threads sometimes become here. | -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ |
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Rick Chauvin wrote:
Don't misunderstand me and my intentions of where I'm concerned here... I don't want to misunderstand you - but to help me out you (and the other MVP's) should explain why you don't want to tread into new territory here regarding unofficial Win-98 patching. Irregardless if the whole usernet world picks it up afterwards, I still post and am subscribed directly to msnews.microsoft.com I guess I don't understand why that should constrain you. The explorations that myself and others are doing to determine the stability of patching 98 with non-98 offerings from MS will grow in I understand and that's great, but I would think it's better served at the other forum rather than on this particular forum. And that's where we disagree. I can't see any logical or philosophical reason why this isin't THE most appropriate news group to discuss the past, present, and future of Windows-98, and that would include the use of any and all resources and discoveries to make it better and secure it going forward. Web forums serve a purpose but they are (to me) inferior and clumsy substitutes for usenet newsgroups - which were designed for just this sort of exchange of ideas and information. Usenet is more searchable and is a better archive for this information than web forums. Me not take an interest? ..where have you been for all these years. Perhaps when I said "take an interest" I meant simply "participate". Yes, because there seems to be a particular aversion by the experts here to talk about them. Again it makes good sense and the whole process is better served to address it all on the other forums, and not this particular one. I don't understand why you do see the reasons why that is.. I don't. All of a sudden we are going to partition these win-98 discussions? I just don't understand the basis or logic of that, and I certainly don't think it makes a lick of sense to say that those topics are somehow better served on a web forum. I may have missed if you posted about it here - what post is that? On December 12, Roger Fink posted a message with the subject "Windows 98 and Security Patches". On December 13, I posted a reply where I changed the subject to "Microsoft continues to support Windows 98 (was: Windows 98 and Security Patches)". If you use a news reader that can show a tree view of a thread then it would show where my post is positioned in the original thread even though I changed the subject line. but again I wouldn't take what's there and talk about details openly here - it makes good sense not to. Again I'm agast at that mindset. You make it sound like we're talking about nuclear reactor design. I'm afraid I simply can't understand your fear to "talk openly here". Where is "here" ? Do you work for Microsoft? Is that the root cause of your reluctance to participate in these subjects? You realize you could always do so from home - using an anonymous nntp server like I'm doing. If you were planning to have an affair - would you come home and ask your wife about how to do it? Same analogy here. So you do work for MS - and you fear reprisals if you participated in discussions like these. I feel sorry for you that you have to work and live under that sort of self-imposed censorship. So I suppose that as I and others move forward and explore and discover how to tinker with Win-98 and the various patches being provided by MS for other platforms that we can expect no help, wisdom, advice or participation from you or the other MVP's. That will not stop me from posting my observations and discoveries here for the unknown number of others that will put that information to use. |
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Sorry Rick to interfere in a segment of this discussion directed towards
you, but this individual has an apparent complete lack of understanding of various aspects of this world, and responsibilities under such. I suggest he access the linked site in my signature, a Law library [many of which he will find linked on the site], Microsoft's legal pages and EULA, and the DOJ web site. I ask him politely, to refrain from harassing parties who do understand the ramifications; many having dealt with this activity for close to 20 years or more, via: court activities, business, commercial contract, licensing, BBS, web sites, and perhaps ISP activities, though not strictly limited thereto. I also direct him to seek other forums which are not so knowledgeable, and/or not so concerned with the potential ramifications; wherein he may find support for his position, and/or information which he may seek. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ A layman's guide to the REAL world of Law, Justice, and government. BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ |
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