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137 Gb Limit?
Practical - In practice, or in actual usage as distinct
from in theory. Definitely a very much needed adjective. MS needs no protection from their failure to provide partitioning support for FAT32 on large drives - they have long advocated moving to a newer OS for systems this size, for all sorts of good reasons. However, the real issue is what other parts of W9x will turn out to be incompatible with very large FAT32 partitions - it's not as simple as just re-writing one DOS program. snip Define "practical". Unneeded adjective to protect MS's lack of response for creating a partition related msdos real-mode program to suit today's hard drives for msdos based windows. |
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-----Original Message----- I want to purchase a 160GB HDD to use with a new ABIT NF7 v2 motherboard (supports LBA45). The motherboard will support the 160GB HDD (No hardware limit on HDD). Will WIN98SE support the HDD? I have read so much vague information about different barriers in Win98SE concerning large drives over 137GB, it's makeing my head spin. I can partition the drive (I plan on it) as needed. What are the limits of Win98se when it comes to HDD (partitions, physical disk size etc...) Thank you, Jerry Thanks to all of you for your help. From what I understand from everyone's input, a 160 GB Hard Disk divided by partitions no larger then 64GB will not pose a problem with 98SE's Fdisk, Format, Scandisk, or Defrag apps (or hopefully anything else Win98SE). I have already used the 98SE fdisk hotfix to partition 80GB HDDs without any problems but, plan on using partition magic or, the drive manufacturers partition/format program. If anyone has partitioned a hard disk, of at least 160GB, and is using it without problems, with 98SE, let me know. You will be the first I know of using a 160GB or greater HDD with 98SE. Intelligent people with good info. I like this place Thanks Jerry |
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There is an article http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=263044 about
fdisk for hard drives over 64 gb. What the article says is that the new fdisk is only supported on hard drives (not partitions) up to 137 gb. What this means is that if you use the new fdisk on a 180 gb hard drive, MS does not guarantee what results you will have. It may not work, it may work OK or things may go wrong later. There is no problem with a 180 gb drive as far as W98 goes so your best bet is to use a partitioning program to set up the drive. Here's what I use: BootIt Next Generation is available from: http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/ and it does partitioning, makes a compressed image, does many other partitioning chores and is a boot manager. It is not quite as easy to use as Partition Magic but it is half the cost and has more features. Unlike the crippled PMagic demo, BING is a *full function* demo you can try for FREE for 30 days. The web site has a lot of support articles. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "Jerry" wrote in message ... -----Original Message----- I want to purchase a 160GB HDD to use with a new ABIT NF7 v2 motherboard (supports LBA45). The motherboard will support the 160GB HDD (No hardware limit on HDD). Will WIN98SE support the HDD? I have read so much vague information about different barriers in Win98SE concerning large drives over 137GB, it's makeing my head spin. I can partition the drive (I plan on it) as needed. What are the limits of Win98se when it comes to HDD (partitions, physical disk size etc...) Thank you, Jerry Thanks to all of you for your help. From what I understand from everyone's input, a 160 GB Hard Disk divided by partitions no larger then 64GB will not pose a problem with 98SE's Fdisk, Format, Scandisk, or Defrag apps (or hopefully anything else Win98SE). I have already used the 98SE fdisk hotfix to partition 80GB HDDs without any problems but, plan on using partition magic or, the drive manufacturers partition/format program. If anyone has partitioned a hard disk, of at least 160GB, and is using it without problems, with 98SE, let me know. You will be the first I know of using a 160GB or greater HDD with 98SE. Intelligent people with good info. I like this place Thanks Jerry |
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Windows 98se fdisk will only allow you to make on primary partition.
So, you will need a program like system commander 7.5 or greater and use their boot disk to make the four primary partitions. It will take alot of time for this to work, it does a surface scan of the hard drive. I would not make any partition bigger than 60 gb to be safe. So it will fool windows 98se, Since you created more than on primary partition. It will actual think you have 4 hard drives. (depending on many primary partitions you make). You should not have any problems, but who knows. Greg R On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:36:17 -0500, "Ron Badour" wrote: There is an article http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=263044 about fdisk for hard drives over 64 gb. What the article says is that the new fdisk is only supported on hard drives (not partitions) up to 137 gb. What this means is that if you use the new fdisk on a 180 gb hard drive, MS does not guarantee what results you will have. It may not work, it may work OK or things may go wrong later. There is no problem with a 180 gb drive as far as W98 goes so your best bet is to use a partitioning program to set up the drive. Here's what I use: BootIt Next Generation is available from: http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/ and it does partitioning, makes a compressed image, does many other partitioning chores and is a boot manager. It is not quite as easy to use as Partition Magic but it is half the cost and has more features. Unlike the crippled PMagic demo, BING is a *full function* demo you can try for FREE for 30 days. The web site has a lot of support articles. |
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I believe your advice is off base. There is no need to fool W98SE--it is
capable of handling the hard drive. The problem is that the new fdisk may not work correctly on a 180 gb disk--read my post for details. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "Greg R" wrote in message ... Windows 98se fdisk will only allow you to make on primary partition. So, you will need a program like system commander 7.5 or greater and use their boot disk to make the four primary partitions. It will take alot of time for this to work, it does a surface scan of the hard drive. I would not make any partition bigger than 60 gb to be safe. So it will fool windows 98se, Since you created more than on primary partition. It will actual think you have 4 hard drives. (depending on many primary partitions you make). You should not have any problems, but who knows. Greg R On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:36:17 -0500, "Ron Badour" wrote: There is an article http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=263044 about fdisk for hard drives over 64 gb. What the article says is that the new fdisk is only supported on hard drives (not partitions) up to 137 gb. What this means is that if you use the new fdisk on a 180 gb hard drive, MS does not guarantee what results you will have. It may not work, it may work OK or things may go wrong later. There is no problem with a 180 gb drive as far as W98 goes so your best bet is to use a partitioning program to set up the drive. Here's what I use: BootIt Next Generation is available from: http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/ and it does partitioning, makes a compressed image, does many other partitioning chores and is a boot manager. It is not quite as easy to use as Partition Magic but it is half the cost and has more features. Unlike the crippled PMagic demo, BING is a *full function* demo you can try for FREE for 30 days. The web site has a lot of support articles. |
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I didn’t read Ron post correctly. I was talking about the original
fdisk. Not the new fdisk. Greg R |
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"Lil' Dave" wrote:
Nope, this is a size limit of the last version of fdisk provided by Microsoft. This is a 1 digit increase binary (X2), big deal. FAT32 partition/drive limitation capacity sizes are way beyond that. Define "practical". Practical in this context means, for example, that Scandisk and Defrag will not work on FAT32 partitions larger than 128 gb. Neither will other disk utilities such as Norton Disk Doctor. Not being able to correct problems with the logical data structure of the drive (scandisk) or to defragment it makes the use of such partitions impractical, at least for most users. Unneeded adjective to protect MS's lack of response for creating a partition related msdos real-mode program to suit today's hard drives for msdos based windows. Just like Ford won't provide updated parts for the Model T so as to make it usable on modern freeways. Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada -- Microsoft MVP On-Line Help Computer Service http://onlinehelp.bc.ca "The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much." |
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Ron Martell wrote:
"Lil' Dave" wrote: Nope, this is a size limit of the last version of fdisk provided by Microsoft. This is a 1 digit increase binary (X2), big deal. FAT32 partition/drive limitation capacity sizes are way beyond that. Define "practical". Practical in this context means, for example, that Scandisk and Defrag will not work on FAT32 partitions larger than 128 gb. Neither will other disk utilities such as Norton Disk Doctor. Not being able to correct problems with the logical data structure of the drive (scandisk) or to defragment it makes the use of such partitions impractical, at least for most users. .... especially when it's so easy to put big disks on a cheap Linux or Unix box and serve the files up that way. g Never defrag or scandisk (assuming you use a journaled/logging file system) again. Unneeded adjective to protect MS's lack of response for creating a partition related msdos real-mode program to suit today's hard drives for msdos based windows. Just like Ford won't provide updated parts for the Model T so as to make it usable on modern freeways. Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form . |
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http://www.matrixlist.com/pipermail/...ry/000755.html
"jerryko" wrote in message ... I want to purchase a 160GB HDD to use with a new ABIT NF7 v2 motherboard (supports LBA45). The motherboard will support the 160GB HDD (No hardware limit on HDD). Will WIN98SE support the HDD? I have read so much vague information about different barriers in Win98SE concerning large drives over 137GB, it's makeing my head spin. I can partition the drive (I plan on it) as needed. What are the limits of Win98se when it comes to HDD (partitions, physical disk size etc...) Thank you, Jerry |
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