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What is the last version of Thunderbird that can be used in Win98se?
What is the last version of Thunderbird that can be used in Win98se?
I have ver. 2.0.0.24. I have been using that for decades and never had a need to upgrade. It does all I need, so why add more bloated crap. I use gmail, and use their SMTP pop mail to get my email to TB. I no longer have any web access, using ANY browser in Win98. Changing all the web to HTTPS ended all my use of the web. Actually, losing the web was not a big problem. Seems everyone is using facebook now anyhow, and I absolutely hate FB and would not use it if they paid me. So, goodbye web.... But now I am getting a constant error in Thunderbird that keeps saying I dont have some security enabled. I looked in the settings and there is no security enabled, but when I try to change it, it says that none of them are usable. I am sure that no versions made in recent years will load in Win98, but maybe I can upgrade a few versions? Does anyone know if any newer version will work? (Do they have better security features)? Personally I could care less about security. All I do is chit chat with a few friends and none of it has any secretive stuff. But I guess Google has other ideas. They dont care who suffers, just as long as they can control the internet. Soon, it will be much more secure, because no one will be able to use it. If I lose my email, I am finished with the internet completely. There is no sense paying for service, when all I can use are the newsgroups, and as everyone knows, the newsgroups are darn near dead. Anyhow, I am just wondering if there is any way to upgrade TB. If not, I guess I'll have to go back to the old fashioned methods of using the telephone to contact friends, just like i have gone back to using the books at the library to look stuff up, because I can no longer use the web. In a way, it's kind of funny. I was raised to use books to learn stuff, and use the phone to contact friends. Then we were all given this amazing tool called the internet to make life easier. It worked great for about 2 decades. Now it's all been taken away from us. Or at least from those of us who cant afford a new computer and pay $150 per month to get high speed internet, which is the only way I can get anything more than dialup. And by the way, my flip phone used to have basic internet service. That too no longer works. So, as far as I'm concerned, the internet is dead. |
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What is the last version of Thunderbird that can be used in Win98se?
On Fri, 24 Aug 2018 08:35:10 +0000 (UTC), Computer Nerd Kev
wrote: Another option is to use web mail and find a new email server with a website that suits your browser. Many of the interfaces that can be chosen at safe-mail.net should work well in FF 3.6, and they still allow TLS 1.0 connections (disable SSL 3.0 support in the settings (Advanced Encryption) if you have trouble). You only get a 3MB inbox for free accounts though. Thanks for that link. I have been wanting to find another email server. Although I'd prefer using software like Tbird, I really want to get rid of gmail, simply because it's Google. So I can live with onlline webmail as long as my browser will read it. 3mb should be find since I only send text messages, and an occaisonal small photo. I always reduce photo size using Paint Shop Pro, because on dialup a 1mb or larger photo takes forever to send. |
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What is the last version of Thunderbird that can be used in Win98se?
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What is the last version of Thunderbird that can be used in Win98se? I have ver. 2.0.0.24. I have been using that for decades and never had a need to upgrade. It does all I need, so why add more bloated crap. I use gmail, and use their SMTP pop mail to get my email to TB. I no longer have any web access, using ANY browser in Win98. Changing all the web to HTTPS ended all my use of the web. Actually, losing the web was not a big problem. Seems everyone is using facebook now anyhow, and I absolutely hate FB and would not use it if they paid me. So, goodbye web.... But now I am getting a constant error in Thunderbird that keeps saying I dont have some security enabled. I looked in the settings and there is no security enabled, but when I try to change it, it says that none of them are usable. I am sure that no versions made in recent years will load in Win98, but maybe I can upgrade a few versions? Does anyone know if any newer version will work? (Do they have better security features)? Personally I could care less about security. All I do is chit chat with a few friends and none of it has any secretive stuff. But I guess Google has other ideas. They dont care who suffers, just as long as they can control the internet. Soon, it will be much more secure, because no one will be able to use it. If I lose my email, I am finished with the internet completely. There is no sense paying for service, when all I can use are the newsgroups, and as everyone knows, the newsgroups are darn near dead. Anyhow, I am just wondering if there is any way to upgrade TB. If not, I guess I'll have to go back to the old fashioned methods of using the telephone to contact friends, just like i have gone back to using the books at the library to look stuff up, because I can no longer use the web. In a way, it's kind of funny. I was raised to use books to learn stuff, and use the phone to contact friends. Then we were all given this amazing tool called the internet to make life easier. It worked great for about 2 decades. Now it's all been taken away from us. Or at least from those of us who cant afford a new computer and pay $150 per month to get high speed internet, which is the only way I can get anything more than dialup. And by the way, my flip phone used to have basic internet service. That too no longer works. So, as far as I'm concerned, the internet is dead. Tools : Options : Advanced : Config Editor security.enable_ssl2 False security.enable_ssl3 False security.enable_tls True What's interesting, it Config Editor doesn't have a crypto suite defined for TLS. Both SSL2 and SSL3 have a listing of stuff like RC4 (very weak). New crypto methods are added all the time, in browsers, and Thunderbird is based on a Firefox browser. To upgrade Thunderbird, you check what's the highest version of Firefox you can run in Win98, then map that back to what version of Thunderbird is based on that. Say, as a made-up example, that Firefox 12 would run. And Thunderbird 5 was based on Firefox 12. Then you could install Thunderbird 5 and expect it to at least "run" on Win98, even if the crypto suite was still too old to work. Ninety percent of the code in Thunderbird, is the Firefox browser code. Thunderbird is merely an XML file that draws three panes on the screen. When it falls over, the window turns yellow, and the name of the (broken) XML is printed on the screen. That's how you discover that Thunderbird is a web program running on top of the XUL.dll engine. Just as Firefox was killed by bad design choices on Win98, so will Thunderbird succumb to the same bad choices. Because Thunderbird is Firefox. Even if Thunderbird had been Win32 code, and self-sufficient, it would still run into the problem of the SSL/TLS/crypt_suite/certificates evolving below your very feet, and the connection will still fall over. Your TLS is probably already turned on, but the crusty crypto suite (with the RC4 already turned off), is no match for CHACHA20. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salsa20 "ChaCha20 adoption Google has selected ChaCha20 along with Bernstein's Poly1305 message authentication code as a replacement for RC4 in TLS, which is used for Internet security.[20] " What happens is, crypto suites are negotiated. The two ends go through their table of algos and select something they have in common. On the server end, the server can turn off practically all of the old ones, leaving a Win98 user high and dry. Maybe you need Thunderbird 60 to get CHACHA20. Crypto is the ultimate determinant of your life on the Internet. Not other aspects of the program. If the crypto suite had been "plugin", like a separate program that just "secured" a connection for you, it might have been different. With some protocols, you can set up a "proxy". For example, some people do USENET News by keeping their own newsserver at 127.0.0.1. The newsserver syncs to the provider. The client program talks to 127.0.0.1:119. If you had something like that for email, the back end of the proxy-like solution could talk CHACHA20 to Google, while your local connection on 127.0.0.1 talked a less secure protocol (i.e. no crypto whatsoever). I don't know how to do that, I don't know what tool to use, but that's about the only option that comes to mind. Paul |
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What is the last version of Thunderbird that can be used in Win98se?
On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 22:14:03 GMT, Donald G. Davis
wrote: - writes: What is the last version of Thunderbird that can be used in Win98se? I know nothing about Thunderbird, but if you have KernelEx installed in your Win98SE, you can use Firefox up to version 3.6.28, which will still operate with many basic Web sites (but not with recent YouTube videos, or with HTML5; e.g., forget about internet banking or other transactions involving secure communications). You'd be better off having a dual-boot system with Windows 98SE and Windows XP with Firefox 48.0.2, in which most secure Web sites will still work. Thats exactly what I have installed. Kernel-Ex and FF 3.6.28 All the secure stuff used to be only for online banking and sites where you have to enter a credit card (online shopping). But almost all sites are secure now (https). We can thank ****ing Google for that. From what i heard, they made it law, that all sites who do not switch to the HTTPS, will no longer be allowed to be in Google's searches. What I'd like to know is who the hell made Google OWNER of the internet. So what we now have is a monopoly. The internet is owned by Google and Facebook. And like all monopolies, once they assume ownership, it all goes to hell, and that is preciesly what has happened. I actually stopped using Google when I could still use the web, simply because I got tired of all their bull****. My computer is 19 years old, I doubt it would run XP. I do have another computer that does have XP on it, but I have never been able to get a usable connection on the modem. It connects, but I get that "spiral of death". After 5 min, it's still connected but wont transfer data, and it disconnects after 15 min or less. If I lose my email, I am finished with the internet completely. There is no sense paying for service, when all I can use are the newsgroups, and as everyone knows, the newsgroups are darn near dead. If you live in an area with a Sprint signal, and you have income less than 200% of federal poverty guidelines, you might want to look up PCsforPeople.com. This involves a one-time purchase of a tiny wireless hotspot device, after which you can maintain wireless internet service for $120 per year. Mine is not as fast as Centurylink DSL service (Sprint gives only one-bar signal in my area), but it's much faster than dialup, and has the big advantage that the device can be taken along when I travel, and will work wherever the Sprint signal is available. I dont know if we have Sprint around here. I know we have Verison. My Tracfone uses Verison. I am on SSI (retired) and get little each month, so I probably do qualify as far as income. That pcsforpeople.com sounds promising. $120 per year is a great price. Much less than what i pay for dialup now. But I do get a very poor cell signal here. To make calls, I usually have to walk up my hill. But I am aware of cellphone signal boosters, and know i get a better signal on my roof, so I'd get one of them if I could get this service. I will have to wait till I go to someone's home to look at their web though. I just tried to load it, and it's https, so it aint gonna load. And by the way, my flip phone used to have basic internet service. That too no longer works. So, as far as I'm concerned, the internet is dead. If you qualify under the low-income requirement and live in an area with Sprint signals, you may want to look into Qlink.com, which offers *free* smartphones and accounts with up to 1,000 minutes per month in many areas. The phone will connect to the internet wherever there's an open WiFi signal, and does include a browser, though I find it quite hard to use because it's very difficult to type on the tiny touchscreen keyboard. But the free phone service alone is more than worth having, compared to the $100 per year I was formerly paying for a flip-phone account. --Donald Davis My flip phone service is free. I gt it from Safelink, which is really Tracfone. I qualify by my low income. I get 500 min per month, and rarely use more than 50 min. When I could use the internet on that phone, I would use more. But that internet was very limited. What I miss most was getting weather radar maps when I am on the go. I actually have an android smartphone, which would qualify for Tracfone. I can use it at a WIFI, but like you said, those tiny keys are hard to use, and I really find android very senior unfriendly. Without a mouse, it's extremely hard to use. I decided that for my phone, I'd just stick with the flip phone. --------------- I have ver. 2.0.0.24. I have been using that for decades and never had a need to upgrade. It does all I need, so why add more bloated crap. I use gmail, and use their SMTP pop mail to get my email to TB. I no longer have any web access, using ANY browser in Win98. Changing all the web to HTTPS ended all my use of the web. Actually, losing the web was not a big problem. Seems everyone is using facebook now anyhow, and I absolutely hate FB and would not use it if they paid me. So, goodbye web.... But now I am getting a constant error in Thunderbird that keeps saying I dont have some security enabled. I looked in the settings and there is no security enabled, but when I try to change it, it says that none of them are usable. I am sure that no versions made in recent years will load in Win98, but maybe I can upgrade a few versions? Does anyone know if any newer version will work? (Do they have better security features)? Personally I could care less about security. All I do is chit chat with a few friends and none of it has any secretive stuff. But I guess Google has other ideas. They dont care who suffers, just as long as they can control the internet. Soon, it will be much more secure, because no one will be able to use it. If I lose my email, I am finished with the internet completely. There is no sense paying for service, when all I can use are the newsgroups, and as everyone knows, the newsgroups are darn near dead. Anyhow, I am just wondering if there is any way to upgrade TB. If not, I guess I'll have to go back to the old fashioned methods of using the telephone to contact friends, just like i have gone back to using the books at the library to look stuff up, because I can no longer use the web. In a way, it's kind of funny. I was raised to use books to learn stuff, and use the phone to contact friends. Then we were all given this amazing tool called the internet to make life easier. It worked great for about 2 decades. Now it's all been taken away from us. Or at least from those of us who cant afford a new computer and pay $150 per month to get high speed internet, which is the only way I can get anything more than dialup. And by the way, my flip phone used to have basic internet service. That too no longer works. So, as far as I'm concerned, the internet is dead. |
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Donald,
Windows XP with Firefox 48.0.2 in which most secure Web sites will still work. Any reason for that, and not an earlier/later version ? FYI, I have v52 installed (on XP), and *really* don't like it that it tries to phone home every time I start it - nor the ammount of (sometimes guess)work involved to disable other phone home stuff. So, I would not mind using an earlier version which does not have as many "you must want to have this" (which I don't) features. The biggest problem however is that there seems to be *absolutily zero* in regard to a feature/comparision sheet, meaning that, most important, I cannot even check which encryption levels are supported by which version (and thus have no idea how far back I can go, version wise, without loosing connectivity). Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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R.Wieser wrote:
Donald, Windows XP with Firefox 48.0.2 in which most secure Web sites will still work. Any reason for that, and not an earlier/later version ? FYI, I have v52 installed (on XP), and *really* don't like it that it tries to phone home every time I start it - nor the ammount of (sometimes guess)work involved to disable other phone home stuff. So, I would not mind using an earlier version which does not have as many "you must want to have this" (which I don't) features. They have added more and more junk in over time (though at least, unlike Chrome, you can disable it in about:config _if_ you can find the setting to change), however even my old FF V. 2 install (on Linux, my w98 install is offline-only (albeit on the same PC that I'm posting this from, using Linux)) tries to phone home. The funny thing is that mozilla.org also now requires an encryption protocol that it doesn't support, so it ends up triggering an error window to pop up. I have managed to disable that fully in about:config now, though I thought I'd already done so before the error messages started telling me otherwise. On a more modern Linux distro (on a more modern PC) I'm running the latest FF 52 ESR (52.9). They're going to stop supporting V. 52 ESR on the 5th of Sep., so then I'll move up to V. 60(?) which uses a whole new engine and apparantly changes the interface and add-ons system. Time will tell whether the pros counter the cons with all that, and both have been reported widely by now. At a guess though, I'd be worried about whether it will work on XP due to the new rendering engine (and how likely it is that they would have made any effort for XP support when developing it). The biggest problem however is that there seems to be *absolutily zero* in regard to a feature/comparision sheet, meaning that, most important, I cannot even check which encryption levels are supported by which version (and thus have no idea how far back I can go, version wise, without loosing connectivity). This has been my valued reference for such matters, already used in this thread: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transp...y#Web_browsers -- __ __ #_ |\| | _# |
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Kev,
They have added more and more junk in over time Yep. Partly "feature creep", mixed with some "advertisement friendly" crap. though at least, unlike Chrome, you can disable it in about:config _if_ you can find the setting to change Yep again. I'm not even sure which changes I made influence which phone home connections. On a more modern Linux distro (on a more modern PC) I'm running the latest FF 52 ESR (52.9). I'm running 52.5 here (downloaded 4 months ago), on XP. They're going to stop supporting V. 52 ESR on the 5th of Sep., so then I'll move up to V. 60(?) ... At a guess though, I'd be worried about whether it will work on XP As far as I know 52 is the last verson that runs on XP. This has been my valued reference for such matters, already used in this thread: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transp...y#Web_browsers Whooperdiedoop! My thanks for that. :-D strikethru Looking at that chart I can see FF 60.x ESR (you referred to) is mentioned there (supporting TLS 1.3), but am fully unsure how to interpret it (if it will actually run on XP - even though the next columns seems to say so). And are you perhaps aware of, for FF, a comparision chart showing which "junk"/features/buildin advertising-friendly crap each version has (getting a newer encryption is good, but what is it going to cost me) ? /strikethru I just remembered that being able to use certain plugins (RequestPolicy and GreaseMonkey) is pretty-much a deal-breaker to me. A quick peek showed me that RequestPolicy doesn't seem to work on v57+ ... Bummer. TLS 1.3 would be handy to have. Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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R.Wieser wrote:
This has been my valued reference for such matters, already used in this thread: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transp...y#Web_browsers Whooperdiedoop! My thanks for that. :-D strikethru Looking at that chart I can see FF 60.x ESR (you referred to) is mentioned there (supporting TLS 1.3), but am fully unsure how to interpret it (if it will actually run on XP - even though the next columns seems to say so). And are you perhaps aware of, for FF, a comparision chart showing which "junk"/features/buildin advertising-friendly crap each version has (getting a newer encryption is good, but what is it going to cost me) ? /strikethru I just remembered that being able to use certain plugins (RequestPolicy and GreaseMonkey) is pretty-much a deal-breaker to me. A quick peek showed me that RequestPolicy doesn't seem to work on v57+ ... Bummer. TLS 1.3 would be handy to have. It does say that there's "experimental" support in V. 52, so you might be able to turn it on in about:config somewhere. -- __ __ #_ |\| | _# |
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