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Kernel-Ex dont run Firefox properly (now 98, XP, etc.)
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
There are tons of now almost worthless PCs around with ~2/GHz CPUs and 1GB RAM (actually that's probably a bit conservative). That's what I've been trying to tell him. And god knows why he needs ISA slots (most probably there's an ancient sound card he's trying to hang on to, or possibly one of those FM-radio tuner cards - I have one or two of those). But even still, I can recommend the Soyo SY-P4i845PE and SY-P4i845GVISA/plus. That board came in two basic versions - with low-end 8mb on-board Intel video (and NO AGP slot) and the other version having an AGP slot (and no onboard video). That is a P4 motherboard with 3 isa slots and 4 PCI slots. Probably only available on ebay or kijiji at this point. But these boards had bad capacitors - I've fixed about a dozen of them. If your good with a soldering iron, then $10 worth of capacitors bought from Digikey will fix it. The computer I'm typing this post on is a Soyo P4i845GVISA, with 80 gb IDE hard drive, some no-name 2-port SATA PCI card, eVGA 6200 AGP video card, 750gb and 1500gb SATA hard drives, and Windows 98se with KernelEx. All hard drives are formatted FAT32. There was one other P4 motherboard that had either 1 or 2 ISA slots that I had at one time in the past - but it did not have on-board audio (!). If you want to spend your cash, there are industrial motherboards that have ISA, Parallel, Serial etc. along with all the modern essentuals. I'm not quite sure who makes it, but one example of what you are talking about is this: --------- MB-P4BWA Industrial Motherboard with ISA Slots http://www.amazon.com/MB-P4BWA-Indus.../dp/B004HLOQH6 --------- I've built a few XP systems with that motherboard, and I still have 3 of them in-box, unused. They cost an obscene $320 at the time I bought them. It uses a socket-775 cpu. It would probably be a struggle to get win-98 running on it (off hand I don't remember what chipset it uses). If you didn't need ISA slots (and I really do think that Pedro could live without ISA) then my recommended win-98 motherboard would be the Asrock 4-core DUALVSTA (and it's sister board, the model name escapes me). They're based on socket 775 with VIA 880 chipset. They have PCIe and AGP slots (but can't use both at the same time) and they have DDR and DDR2 memory sockets (again, can't use both at the same time). All motherboard components have win-98 drivers except for on-board hi-definition audio. You could always do a dual boot. Install XP on a pre-formatted FAT32 partition. I've done it once or twice, and it's very nice. Dual-boot XP and DOS-7.1 to experience full DOS-mode access to your file system! NTFS is total garbage if you ask me. All the hype centered around journaling is complete bull****. Format a large drive with FAT32 and force it to use 4kb clusters and you kill the other FAT32 argument about wasted slack-space. |
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Kernel-Ex dont run Firefox properly (now 98, XP, etc.)
Hot-Text wrote:
As I say Windows 98 SE is a Web Server NT, 2000, XP Suck as Web server I have two machines, each of them P3-800 mhz, Gigabyte motherboard, BX440 chipset. One has 512mb ram, the other has 768 mb. Both have 500 gb IDE hard drives. Both are running NT4 Server. One has IIS 4 and is used as a web server. The other runs post.office (smtp server) and AccPac accounting data base (SQL server). They've both been in service since 1999 on a continuous basis. If it's not broke - don't fix it. |
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(SQL server) run good on Win7
"98 Guy" "98"@Guy. com wrote in message ...
Hot-Text wrote: As I say Windows 98 SE is a Web Server NT, 2000, XP Suck as Web server I have two machines, each of them P3-800 mhz, Gigabyte motherboard, BX440 chipset. One has 512mb ram, the other has 768 mb. Both have 500 gb IDE hard drives. Both are running NT4 Server. One has IIS 4 and is used as a web server. The other runs post.office (smtp server) and AccPac accounting data base (SQL server). They've both been in service since 1999 on a continuous basis. If it's not broke - don't fix it. (SQL server) run good on Win7 Lol Don't add to it Will Not Brake No Fix Needed |
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Kernel-Ex dont run Firefox properly (now 98, XP, etc.)
98 Guy "98"@guy. com wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote: There are tons of now almost worthless PCs around with ~2/GHz CPUs and 1GB RAM (actually that's probably a bit conservative). That's what I've been trying to tell him. And god knows why he needs ISA slots (most probably there's an ancient sound card he's trying to hang on to, or possibly one of those FM-radio tuner cards - I have one or two of those). Yes one of the fabled most rediculous internal PC devices widely produced. Never seen one myself though, perhaps they never made it that far into Australia... Mind you, there were a few special uses for the ISA port that were a bit more purposeful than being able to say "look! I can play radio on my PC!". For example I recently finished grabbing the software for a fairly good EPROM programmer off a late 80s Compaq Portable III, so now I can use it in any old PC that I want (in particular one that offers more data transfer options than one 5.25" FDD that won't work for love or money (I'll save you from details of the hassle that was getting the software off)). a good EPROM programmer can be well in the hundreds new. If you want to spend your cash, there are industrial motherboards that have ISA, Parallel, Serial etc. along with all the modern essentuals. I'm not quite sure who makes it, but one example of what you are talking about is this: --------- MB-P4BWA Industrial Motherboard with ISA Slots http://www.amazon.com/MB-P4BWA-Indus.../dp/B004HLOQH6 --------- I've built a few XP systems with that motherboard, and I still have 3 of them in-box, unused. They cost an obscene $320 at the time I bought them. It uses a socket-775 cpu. It would probably be a struggle to get win-98 running on it (off hand I don't remember what chipset it uses). Those are from ADEK (google the model). I was thinking of buying one of their models a couple of years ago, but I didn't bite. -- __ __ #_ |\| | _# |
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Kernel-Ex dont run Firefox properly (now 98, XP, etc.)
On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 21:45:41 -0500, 98 Guy "98"@Guy. com wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote: There are tons of now almost worthless PCs around with ~2/GHz CPUs and 1GB RAM (actually that's probably a bit conservative). That's what I've been trying to tell him. And god knows why he needs ISA slots (most probably there's an ancient sound card he's trying to hang on to, or possibly one of those FM-radio tuner cards - I have one or two of those). No such garbage - the main one is a very exotic data acquisition board which, with the accompanying software, would still cost four-figure amounts to replace. Not to mention the custom add-on software that was developed to extend the COTS functionality. "If it ain't broke, don't fsck with it (especially if it's expensive)" applies here. The internet-facing aspect is the only real problem, but that is currently being circumvented by moving that role onto a companion Win7 box. In an ideal world a KVM switch would let them reside at the same workstation, but I've yet to find one that works as described. They all seem to hiccup at some point. The last one (four-port "self-powered" - sources power from connected pooters) would fail to get started if one pooter was powered up from black while the other was still black. It was a juggling act in starting simultaneously to get it to not fsck up the boot process by leaving the peripherals undetected. The previous Belkin one also had issues. The no-name before that was supposed to be all automatic, hot-key or push-button flipping, but never did seem to reliably sense which box was being powered up (we don't leave boxes on 24/7 like MS assume for Win7/8). |
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Kernel-Ex dont run Firefox properly (now 98, XP, etc.)
pedro wrote:
You have a legacy DAq setup that would cost thousands to replace. Is it being used in an industrial or commercial setting? SOHO If I had a super-expensive ISA-based DAq board running on a 14-year-old PC running windows 98, the last thing I'd be worried about is compatibility with Firefox 28 or IE15 or Flash 12 or HTML5. You really haven't replied to the above observation or opinion. I did mention that I had considered a KVM approach to allow the data acquisition role to continue while being able to use more contemporary browser(s). I really didn't follow that. So you are going to use one monitor, keyboard and mouse, but use a KVM switch to switch between the win-98 and some win-NT machine? Do you have such little desktop or office space that you can't allocate a separate keyboard, mouse and monitor to each computer? The DAq role doesn't require manned attendance but intermittent oversight is warranted. I still don't know why your situation is so challenged that you (a) can't devote a keyboard, mouse and monitor to the win-98 system, and (b) why you would even contimplate using the win-98 system for general computing tasks when it has some presumably important DAQ role to perform. What is the data rate (how many kb/sec) or samples per second, across how many channels, is this DAC monitoring? Is it saving this data, or is it just monitoring it? Is it doing this 24/7, or on a schedule, or when-ever you feel like doing it? Will the DAQ software run under win-NT (2k/xp/7) ? |
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Kernel-Ex dont run Firefox properly (now 98, XP, etc.)
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 09:08:17 -0400, 98 Guy "98"@Guy. com wrote:
pedro wrote: You have a legacy DAq setup that would cost thousands to replace. Is it being used in an industrial or commercial setting? SOHO If I had a super-expensive ISA-based DAq board running on a 14-year-old PC running windows 98, the last thing I'd be worried about is compatibility with Firefox 28 or IE15 or Flash 12 or HTML5. You really haven't replied to the above observation or opinion. What's to reply? You stated "the last thing I'd be doing ...". Your right to have a view. Go for it. I did mention that I had considered a KVM approach to allow the data acquisition role to continue while being able to use more contemporary browser(s). I really didn't follow that. So you are going to use one monitor, keyboard and mouse, but use a KVM switch to switch between the win-98 and some win-NT machine? No, I'm not going to. I mentioned some posts back that the KVM approach had been rejected. Do you have such little desktop or office space that you can't allocate a separate keyboard, mouse and monitor to each computer? No, but it adds clutter that I don't need. The DAq role doesn't require manned attendance but intermittent oversight is warranted. I still don't know why your situation is so challenged that you (a) can't devote a keyboard, mouse and monitor to the win-98 system se above , and (b) why you would even contimplate using the win-98 system for general computing tasks when it has some presumably important DAQ role to perform. It has been doing both for some years, with the only issues being as posted earlier in this thread (eg HTML5/browsers). If it ain't broke, don't fix it. But now there is something that needs fixing. That's what this is about. What is the data rate (how many kb/sec) or samples per second, across how many channels, is this DAC monitoring? Is it saving this data, or is it just monitoring it? Both. Is it doing this 24/7, or on a schedule, or when-ever you feel like doing it? Not 24/7 but during daylight hours. Will the DAQ software run under win-NT (2k/xp/7) ? No. There are later versions of both hware and software that would, but that's where the big $$ come in. This is getting entirely away from the original query/comment (and asked in another post that went unanswered) - how to get Kernelex established and behaving on this 98SE box. |
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Kernel-Ex dont run Firefox properly (now 98, XP, etc.)
pedro wrote:
If I had a super-expensive ISA-based DAq board running on a 14-year-old PC running windows 98, the last thing I'd be worried about is compatibility with Firefox 28 or IE15 or Flash 12 or HTML5. You really haven't replied to the above observation or opinion. What's to reply? You stated "the last thing I'd be doing ...". Your right to have a view. Go for it. So this DAQ board is some sort of image acquisition or processing board? Or a PBX / digital phone system board? Obviously this is a hobby thing. Your SOHO is obviously not dependant on the operation of this board. Do you have such little desktop or office space that you can't allocate a separate keyboard, mouse and monitor to each computer? No, but it adds clutter that I don't need. A $75 (new) flat panel monitor, a keyboard ($10 new) and a mouse ($5 new) is - clutter? You place those on top of your ancient P3 computer (which obviously is a desktop case) - where's the clutter? It has been doing both for some years, with the only issues being as posted earlier in this thread (eg HTML5/browsers). If it ain't broke, don't fix it. But now there is something that needs fixing. That's what this is about. Meanwhile my son has just set up my alternate desktop box with Win7U. Curious - why didn't you choose to run XP? Much more usable for anyone coming directly from win-9x. how to get Kernelex established and behaving on this 98SE box. How do you know that Kex wasn't installed correctly? What was it that wasn't behaving? |
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Kernel-Ex dont run Firefox properly (now 98, XP, etc.)
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:05:24 -0400, 98 Guy "98"@Guy. com wrote:
pedro wrote: If I had a super-expensive ISA-based DAq board running on a 14-year-old PC running windows 98, the last thing I'd be worried about is compatibility with Firefox 28 or IE15 or Flash 12 or HTML5. You really haven't replied to the above observation or opinion. What's to reply? You stated "the last thing I'd be doing ...". Your right to have a view. Go for it. So this DAQ board is some sort of image acquisition or processing board? Or a PBX / digital phone system board? Nope. Obviously this is a hobby thing. Nope Your SOHO is obviously not dependant on the operation of this board. Neither my existence nor livelihood are dependent on it. Do you have such little desktop or office space that you can't allocate a separate keyboard, mouse and monitor to each computer? No, but it adds clutter that I don't need. A $75 (new) flat panel monitor, a keyboard ($10 new) and a mouse ($5 new) is - clutter? Yes. You place those on top of your ancient P3 computer (which obviously is a desktop case) - where's the clutter? Wrong. It's a tower case (saves space ....) It has been doing both for some years, with the only issues being as posted earlier in this thread (eg HTML5/browsers). If it ain't broke, don't fix it. But now there is something that needs fixing. That's what this is about. Meanwhile my son has just set up my alternate desktop box with Win7U. Curious - why didn't you choose to run XP? Much more usable for anyone coming directly from win-9x. He's in IT support, and that was his recommendation given that he was/is smoothing the wrinkles. I've been using XP-SP3 on a lappie in the field since '08, and a Win7 lappie since early 2012. Comfortable in either. how to get Kernelex established and behaving on this 98SE box. How do you know that Kex wasn't installed correctly? What was it that wasn't behaving? Don't recall exactly. It was probably two years back. (Just checked - the folder I d/l-ed into was created Jan 2011.) renamed old, installed it and some things were "different". Tried a later version of FF and it didn't work. That's about all I recall |
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Kernel-Ex dont run Firefox properly (now 98, XP, etc.)
pedro wrote:
Obviously this is a hobby thing. Nope Your SOHO is obviously not dependant on the operation of this board. Neither my existence nor livelihood are dependent on it. The board is not involved in any aspect of the operation, management, income or revenue stream of your SOHO, and you don't use the board for leisure or hobby. I don't know what's left. And yet it's important enough for you to devote time and effort on a technical, ergonomic solution in a cramped SOHO situation. How do you know that Kex wasn't installed correctly? What was it that wasn't behaving? Don't recall exactly. It was probably two years back. (Just checked - the folder I d/l-ed into was created Jan 2011.) renamed old, installed it and some things were "different". Tried a later version of FF and it didn't work. That's about all I recall So you haven't downloaded the most recent version? The last time you putzed with it was 2 years ago? (Sometimes I really have to wonder about some people) Download the latest version and run it. When it reboots, it either will or will not display a message saying that Kex is installed and working. http://softlayer-dal.dl.sourceforge....elEx-4.5.2.exe As for Firefox, don't get your hopes up that Kex will make things better. What I know about that is that some version of FF 3.5 or 3.6 is the last best version that Kex will allow to run on Win-98 with full functionality. You will be able to run later versions of FF (I think up to 15) but anything beyond 3.5 or 3.6 will not have functional bookmarks or history. Kex will allow more recent versions of Flash and Java (although Java is not terribly common for general browsing, but is used for more interactive websites that have elements with controls such as graphs). I don't use FF 3.5 because of an issue with while lines being drawn through graphics as I scroll a page up and down. So I stick with FF 2.0.0.23 and rarely have issues that make it necessary to use another browser. For those few sites that give me problems I use Opera 12.02 (which needs Kex to run). |
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