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Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem
What 98 Guy says is true and you'll have reasonable AV protection. The
problem is Norton and the WindowsME OS are rather incompatible and other problems will arise which is OK if you don't mind doing a clean OS install every so often. -- I mastered Wordstar graphics! "98 Guy" wrote: I might as well post this to our friends using Windows ME, since NAV 2002 is equally suitable for that maligned operating system. MEB wrote: Take your garbage and ignorance back to where ever you came from You forgot to full-quote me. Why are you not consistent in that regard? The product you suggest has NO comprehension of the exploits and methods being used today NAV 2002 can be updated from Symantec such that it has the most current virus signatures and scan-engine - equal to any symantec product being sold today. And you can get it as part of Norton SystemWorks 2002. How you ask? By following these instructions: ------------------ The Norton SystemWorks 2002 CD can be downloaded from these links: http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-A.ZIP http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-B.ZIP http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-C.ZIP http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-D.ZIP The password to unzip each of them is "a". Each file is close to 50 mb in size. When unzipped, you'll get NSW02-1.piz NSW02-2.piz NSW02-3.piz NSW02-4.piz Rename them each to .zip. They are not password protected. Create a directory (name doesn't matter) and move files 1, 2 and 3 into that directory and unzip them into that directory. There should be no conflicts or warnings to over-write any existing files. For file 4, move it to the \SUPPORT\IE5 directory and unzip it's contents into that directory. When you're done all that, you should have an exact copy of the directory structure of the NSW 2002 CD. There should be 10 files and 13 folders in the root directory. 590 files, 41 folders, 207 mb. To install NSW-2002, just run setup.exe in the root. Notes: 1) Before installing, you should go to add/remove programs in control panel and check to see if you have any Symantec or Norton products already there, including LiveUpdate, LiveReg, Norton AntiVirus, Norton Utilities, or Norton SystemWorks. You will probably have to remove some or most of them, and then re-boot your computer, for NSW2002 to install itself correctly. You should also make sure your PC's clock/calendar is set to the correct date. 2) Once you complete step 1, perform a file-find on your system and look for a file called "catalog.livesubscribe" or just "catalog.*". If you find that file (it will be in a norton or symantec directory) then it must be deleted before you install this software. 3) After installing NSW2002, let it restart your system. There are several settings in NAV that I turn off - like automatically check for updates, and warn if virus def's are old. If it gives you the option of registering the software - don't. It's not necessary for it to function. 4) If you click on "Check for Updates" you will probably be told that there is an update to Symantec Redirector, which can be downloaded but may not install. In any case, it's my experience that both auto and manual updating (liveupdate button) doesn't work, and hasn't worked since maybe 2007. But that's ok, because you can download all program updates and virus definitions from here (Symantec Intelligent Updater): ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/englis...ymcdefsi32.exe That file always contains the most recent virus definition update. So download and run it as often as you want (even once a day if you're paranoid). 5) After installing NSW 2002, you'll see that NAV 2002 will accept new virus definition files for the next 366 days. After that, the Intelligent Updater will not update the product. But that's ok, because all you need to do is un-install and re-install NSW 2002 to get another year's worth of functionality (so don't delete these files once you download them! Keep them on your hard drive or burn them to a CD). One thing to remember is that after uninstalling it, you will need to delete the file "catalog.livesubscribe" in order to re-install and re-activate it for another year. 6) If you have a large hard drive and/or if you've got a FAT-32 volume with more than the usual 4 million clusters (perhaps a SATA or USB drive), Norton Disk Doctor and Norton Speed disk are compatible with volumes with up to 6.3 million clusters, but not more without using the command-line parameter /NOLBA. When using this parameter, the upper limit for NDD and SD is somewhere between 7.8 and 31 million clusters. The switch /NOLBA forces NDD and SD to skip the drive configuration check. This can also be done with a registry entry by adding a DWORD registry value named NOLBACHECK at this location: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Symantec\Norton Utilities When this option is set to 1, Norton Disk Doctor and Speed Disk skip the drive configuration check. 5) BTW, NAV 2002 runs fine on Win-2K and XP (sp1, 2 and 3). Norton SystemWorks 2002 CD includes: - Norton CleanSweep 2002 - Norton AntiVirus 2002 - Norton Utilities 2002 - Roxio GoBack 3.0 - FastSafe (Fast & Safe Cleanup) - Symantec Process Viewer - Norton Rescue Disk version 15.0 - Microsoft Internet Explorer version 5.50.4134.600 Enjoy . |
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Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem
What 98 Guy says is true and you'll have reasonable AV protection. The
problem is Norton and the WindowsME OS are rather incompatible and other problems will arise which is OK if you don't mind doing a clean OS install every so often. -- I mastered Wordstar graphics! "98 Guy" wrote: I might as well post this to our friends using Windows ME, since NAV 2002 is equally suitable for that maligned operating system. MEB wrote: Take your garbage and ignorance back to where ever you came from You forgot to full-quote me. Why are you not consistent in that regard? The product you suggest has NO comprehension of the exploits and methods being used today NAV 2002 can be updated from Symantec such that it has the most current virus signatures and scan-engine - equal to any symantec product being sold today. And you can get it as part of Norton SystemWorks 2002. How you ask? By following these instructions: ------------------ The Norton SystemWorks 2002 CD can be downloaded from these links: http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-A.ZIP http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-B.ZIP http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-C.ZIP http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-D.ZIP The password to unzip each of them is "a". Each file is close to 50 mb in size. When unzipped, you'll get NSW02-1.piz NSW02-2.piz NSW02-3.piz NSW02-4.piz Rename them each to .zip. They are not password protected. Create a directory (name doesn't matter) and move files 1, 2 and 3 into that directory and unzip them into that directory. There should be no conflicts or warnings to over-write any existing files. For file 4, move it to the \SUPPORT\IE5 directory and unzip it's contents into that directory. When you're done all that, you should have an exact copy of the directory structure of the NSW 2002 CD. There should be 10 files and 13 folders in the root directory. 590 files, 41 folders, 207 mb. To install NSW-2002, just run setup.exe in the root. Notes: 1) Before installing, you should go to add/remove programs in control panel and check to see if you have any Symantec or Norton products already there, including LiveUpdate, LiveReg, Norton AntiVirus, Norton Utilities, or Norton SystemWorks. You will probably have to remove some or most of them, and then re-boot your computer, for NSW2002 to install itself correctly. You should also make sure your PC's clock/calendar is set to the correct date. 2) Once you complete step 1, perform a file-find on your system and look for a file called "catalog.livesubscribe" or just "catalog.*". If you find that file (it will be in a norton or symantec directory) then it must be deleted before you install this software. 3) After installing NSW2002, let it restart your system. There are several settings in NAV that I turn off - like automatically check for updates, and warn if virus def's are old. If it gives you the option of registering the software - don't. It's not necessary for it to function. 4) If you click on "Check for Updates" you will probably be told that there is an update to Symantec Redirector, which can be downloaded but may not install. In any case, it's my experience that both auto and manual updating (liveupdate button) doesn't work, and hasn't worked since maybe 2007. But that's ok, because you can download all program updates and virus definitions from here (Symantec Intelligent Updater): ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/englis...ymcdefsi32.exe That file always contains the most recent virus definition update. So download and run it as often as you want (even once a day if you're paranoid). 5) After installing NSW 2002, you'll see that NAV 2002 will accept new virus definition files for the next 366 days. After that, the Intelligent Updater will not update the product. But that's ok, because all you need to do is un-install and re-install NSW 2002 to get another year's worth of functionality (so don't delete these files once you download them! Keep them on your hard drive or burn them to a CD). One thing to remember is that after uninstalling it, you will need to delete the file "catalog.livesubscribe" in order to re-install and re-activate it for another year. 6) If you have a large hard drive and/or if you've got a FAT-32 volume with more than the usual 4 million clusters (perhaps a SATA or USB drive), Norton Disk Doctor and Norton Speed disk are compatible with volumes with up to 6.3 million clusters, but not more without using the command-line parameter /NOLBA. When using this parameter, the upper limit for NDD and SD is somewhere between 7.8 and 31 million clusters. The switch /NOLBA forces NDD and SD to skip the drive configuration check. This can also be done with a registry entry by adding a DWORD registry value named NOLBACHECK at this location: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Symantec\Norton Utilities When this option is set to 1, Norton Disk Doctor and Speed Disk skip the drive configuration check. 5) BTW, NAV 2002 runs fine on Win-2K and XP (sp1, 2 and 3). Norton SystemWorks 2002 CD includes: - Norton CleanSweep 2002 - Norton AntiVirus 2002 - Norton Utilities 2002 - Roxio GoBack 3.0 - FastSafe (Fast & Safe Cleanup) - Symantec Process Viewer - Norton Rescue Disk version 15.0 - Microsoft Internet Explorer version 5.50.4134.600 Enjoy . |
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Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem
=?Utf-8?B?Q29yZGF5?= wrote in
: SNIP While you are more than free to say whatever idiotic things come to your mind, at least learn to SNIP, FFS. -- The lonely child plays with eternity, while a gang of children plays with time. Karel Capek |
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Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem
=?Utf-8?B?Q29yZGF5?= wrote in
: SNIP While you are more than free to say whatever idiotic things come to your mind, at least learn to SNIP, FFS. -- The lonely child plays with eternity, while a gang of children plays with time. Karel Capek |
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Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem
thanatoid wrote:
With apologies to all involved, I am /really/ getting tired of the never-ending "Free AV for 98?" threads. Of course, nothing will stop them, even this post, since most people are too lazy to read even a hundred old posts, being absolutely certain that they are the first person ever faced with the particular problem at hand. Don't even mention Google. One would think it didn't exist. (As much as I hate the Web, Google IS generally quite useful, as long as you don't forget that the result most worth looking at it is not necessarily on the first page, let alone /the first link/. Anyway.) Here are 2 fairly simple solutions to the above mentioned endless questions. In case you are not too cheap to pay $40/year (you spend more on cappuccinos in one week, FFS) for a 98 version (2.7) of the best AV software there is, ESET NOD32, while it is no longer available on their site as of Feb 1, the virus signature updates for that version will be available until Feb 1, 2012. (If you don't have the program and can't find it, I will be more than happy to post it to a file-sharing site. The same license works for all versions. Ver 2.70.39 was the last 98SE version. Vers 3.x and 4.x run on Win2000 and up. (There are also full "security suite versions" but I'm not into those.) AFAICT, the sig updates for 2.7 are the /same/ files as the ones for the 3 and 4 versions (see below). So you can either pay the measly 40 bucks and stop these ENDLESS questions which are REALLY getting boring, or you can install a free copy (if you have to ask where...) of XP on another partition ONLY to get the new versions of the few currently free /AND/ XP+ ONLY A-V programs there are, and scan whatever you want from there, and then reboot back into 98. In case you're wondering, the "run from XP partition and then reboot" solution is based on my firm belief that running an A-V all the time while on-line is totally pointless. I might add ESET consistently beats all the others in ratings, although you really have to read between the lines and THINK about the different aspects of "reviewing". (Some are simply ridiculous: "ease of installation". Sigh.) But while, not surprisingly, Norton is the best-seller - just like IE/OE are the most-used internet software, in spite of also being the most dangerous software ever - most sites not run by lying payola weasels agree ESET is the best. Here is what /seems/ a non-biased review... http://www.consumersearch.com/antivi...est-antivirus- software ...although I am sure SOMEONE will claim how they are in fact on ESET's payroll. Of course, certain aspects of the above solutions may be totally invalidated if someone proves that Win2000 and up viruses are different than 9x viruses, but I do not believe they are. And even if they ARE, a good scanner /should/ find them anywhere. One of the best (free) scanners for years was F-Prot for DOS and it found stuff on all Win platforms, AFAIK. (There actually IS a DOS version of ESET NOD32 as well, but it and its defs have not been updated in quite some time and will not be. But I have it if you want it. Even ESET said in its blurb that SOME stuff can be found easier from DOS than from within the 32-bit OS.) Just my 2 cents, or $39.99 if you prefer. (Discount if you buy a 2 year license). I haven't had to pay for protection yet, first getting McAfee free for some reason well beyond the year that came with the purchase of this machine. Next, avast! has been legitimately free! But I'll take your recommendation under serious consideration. I think Terhune used to recommend that one, too. Thanks. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
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Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem
thanatoid wrote:
With apologies to all involved, I am /really/ getting tired of the never-ending "Free AV for 98?" threads. Of course, nothing will stop them, even this post, since most people are too lazy to read even a hundred old posts, being absolutely certain that they are the first person ever faced with the particular problem at hand. Don't even mention Google. One would think it didn't exist. (As much as I hate the Web, Google IS generally quite useful, as long as you don't forget that the result most worth looking at it is not necessarily on the first page, let alone /the first link/. Anyway.) Here are 2 fairly simple solutions to the above mentioned endless questions. In case you are not too cheap to pay $40/year (you spend more on cappuccinos in one week, FFS) for a 98 version (2.7) of the best AV software there is, ESET NOD32, while it is no longer available on their site as of Feb 1, the virus signature updates for that version will be available until Feb 1, 2012. (If you don't have the program and can't find it, I will be more than happy to post it to a file-sharing site. The same license works for all versions. Ver 2.70.39 was the last 98SE version. Vers 3.x and 4.x run on Win2000 and up. (There are also full "security suite versions" but I'm not into those.) AFAICT, the sig updates for 2.7 are the /same/ files as the ones for the 3 and 4 versions (see below). So you can either pay the measly 40 bucks and stop these ENDLESS questions which are REALLY getting boring, or you can install a free copy (if you have to ask where...) of XP on another partition ONLY to get the new versions of the few currently free /AND/ XP+ ONLY A-V programs there are, and scan whatever you want from there, and then reboot back into 98. In case you're wondering, the "run from XP partition and then reboot" solution is based on my firm belief that running an A-V all the time while on-line is totally pointless. I might add ESET consistently beats all the others in ratings, although you really have to read between the lines and THINK about the different aspects of "reviewing". (Some are simply ridiculous: "ease of installation". Sigh.) But while, not surprisingly, Norton is the best-seller - just like IE/OE are the most-used internet software, in spite of also being the most dangerous software ever - most sites not run by lying payola weasels agree ESET is the best. Here is what /seems/ a non-biased review... http://www.consumersearch.com/antivi...est-antivirus- software ...although I am sure SOMEONE will claim how they are in fact on ESET's payroll. Of course, certain aspects of the above solutions may be totally invalidated if someone proves that Win2000 and up viruses are different than 9x viruses, but I do not believe they are. And even if they ARE, a good scanner /should/ find them anywhere. One of the best (free) scanners for years was F-Prot for DOS and it found stuff on all Win platforms, AFAIK. (There actually IS a DOS version of ESET NOD32 as well, but it and its defs have not been updated in quite some time and will not be. But I have it if you want it. Even ESET said in its blurb that SOME stuff can be found easier from DOS than from within the 32-bit OS.) Just my 2 cents, or $39.99 if you prefer. (Discount if you buy a 2 year license). I haven't had to pay for protection yet, first getting McAfee free for some reason well beyond the year that came with the purchase of this machine. Next, avast! has been legitimately free! But I'll take your recommendation under serious consideration. I think Terhune used to recommend that one, too. Thanks. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
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Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem
"PCR" wrote in
: SNIP I haven't had to pay for protection yet, first getting McAfee free for some reason well beyond the year that came with the purchase of this machine. Next, avast! has been legitimately free! But I'll take your recommendation under serious consideration. I think Terhune used to recommend that one, too. Thanks. My pleasure. I can't remeber, did Terhune SNIP stuff? Another habit well worth acquiring. ;-) -- The lonely child plays with eternity, while a gang of children plays with time. Karel Capek |
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Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem
"PCR" wrote in
: SNIP I haven't had to pay for protection yet, first getting McAfee free for some reason well beyond the year that came with the purchase of this machine. Next, avast! has been legitimately free! But I'll take your recommendation under serious consideration. I think Terhune used to recommend that one, too. Thanks. My pleasure. I can't remeber, did Terhune SNIP stuff? Another habit well worth acquiring. ;-) -- The lonely child plays with eternity, while a gang of children plays with time. Karel Capek |
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Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem
thanatoid wrote:
"PCR" wrote in : SNIP I haven't had to pay for protection yet, first getting McAfee free for some reason well beyond the year that came with the purchase of this machine. Next, avast! has been legitimately free! But I'll take your recommendation under serious consideration. I think Terhune used to recommend that one, too. Thanks. My pleasure. I can't remeber, did Terhune SNIP stuff? Another habit well worth acquiring. Living in a trailer with a leaky roof required he keep his hair! ;-) -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
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Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem
thanatoid wrote:
"PCR" wrote in : SNIP I haven't had to pay for protection yet, first getting McAfee free for some reason well beyond the year that came with the purchase of this machine. Next, avast! has been legitimately free! But I'll take your recommendation under serious consideration. I think Terhune used to recommend that one, too. Thanks. My pleasure. I can't remeber, did Terhune SNIP stuff? Another habit well worth acquiring. Living in a trailer with a leaky roof required he keep his hair! ;-) -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
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