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How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:04:02 -0400, "PCR" put
finger to keyboard and composed: ... my Compaq puts up a different startup screen -- just a big, red COMPAQ -- & I have no Logo.sys file in C:\. And I doubt it altered the one embedded in IO.sys. Therefore, I believe there is a 3rd mechanism for it (which I haven't ever discovered). Look for a HPA or hidden partition. See my first post to this thread. Is it possible that the Compaq logo is patched into the BIOS? Modern motherboards (eg Asus, Gigabyte) are supplied with utilities that allow users to add their own logos and backgrounds to the BIOS. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. |
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How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup
Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:09:41 -0700 (PDT), SlickRCBD put finger to keyboard and composed: On Sep 11, 4:59�pm, SlickRCBD wrote: As mentioned in the MPW98.disks.general, I just replaced the HD in my old 98 machine. However, in spite of formatting it with the /s swtich, XCOPYing everything, and doing sys D: for good measure, I couldn't get the comptuer to boot. Some (all?) Dell machines have a hidden partition, either in the user area on the HD, or in the HPA. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_Protected_Area I'm not exactly sure what is, or has, happened in your case, but you may like to read the following article. Understanding the Dell MediaDirect Partition: http://www.goodells.net/dellrestore/mediadirect.htm It explains why cloning will fail. You can unhide the HPA using utilities such as HDAT2 or MHDD: http://www.hdat2.com/ http://hddguru.com/content/en/software/2005.10.02-MHDD/ This FAQ has info on Dell's HPA: http://www.hdat2.com/hdat2_faq.html If the hidden partition is in the user accessible area, then a tool such as MBRtool may show it: http://www.diydatarecovery.nl/mbrtool.htm Use MBRtool to look at the partition table at the bottom of LBA-0. How many partitions do you see? MBRtool will also allow you to save track 0 to a file. Look at LBA-3. Dell sometimes uses this sector to access the HPA. Not having a CD for this OEM install, I went to c:\windows\options \cabs and ran setup.exe It acted like I used an answer file and ran MUCH faster than I expected. Once it was finished, it asked me for a product key. I had anticipated this and extracted it before this ever began. I entered it, and was taken to my desktop. I haven't hooked anything but the keyboard, moue, and monitor up nor have I screwed in the drives yet, but everything looks like it's running fine. One thing I noticed is that it no longer says "Dell" on the bootup screen, but instead has a standard win98 bootup screen. Is there any way to bring that back by extracting a file from my old HD? It's a minor thing, but I thought it was nice to have the OEM one to remind me it's NOT a retail product key when somebody asks me if I have one. For that matter, what format is this custom boot screen and can I customize it myself? First priority is to get the old one that the computer came with back up, then worry about further customizations. I didn't expect this, but surprisingly I haven't ahd to revert to running setup the entire time I"ve owned this system. I don't udnerstand why the step of running setup was necessary, I was able to make a working virtual PC virtual hard drive that booted just fine using the exact same procedure only mapping networked drives instead of copying real drive letters. I forgot to add, here's a picture of what I'm trying to bring back, taken from said Virutal PC backup I made prior to obtaining the new drive http://www.flickr.com/photos/10736018@N05/3910124663/ Now when I boot up the actual computer, the Windows 98 screen lacks the words in the upper corners of the screen. No "Distributed by Dell" and no "Microsoft" Look for files that are the same size as logos.sys and logow.sys, ie about 129,000 bytes. I notice that the first three bytes in these files are either BM6 or BM8 which suggests that they are BMP files. Go to Start - Find - Files/Folder and search for files Containing text BM6 or BM8. If you find a likely one, make a copy and rename it to logo.BMP and view it with Paintbrush or your preferred image viewer. While I'm at it, is it possible to modify the file after extracting it from the backup? Can I add "SE" to the Windows 98 and maybe put something to ID the computer as belinging to SlickRCBD? I've hacked explorer.exe so that my Start button says "Franc". - Franc Zabkar Good job Franc, glad to see you're back... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___--- |
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How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup
Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:09:41 -0700 (PDT), SlickRCBD put finger to keyboard and composed: On Sep 11, 4:59�pm, SlickRCBD wrote: As mentioned in the MPW98.disks.general, I just replaced the HD in my old 98 machine. However, in spite of formatting it with the /s swtich, XCOPYing everything, and doing sys D: for good measure, I couldn't get the comptuer to boot. Some (all?) Dell machines have a hidden partition, either in the user area on the HD, or in the HPA. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_Protected_Area I'm not exactly sure what is, or has, happened in your case, but you may like to read the following article. Understanding the Dell MediaDirect Partition: http://www.goodells.net/dellrestore/mediadirect.htm It explains why cloning will fail. You can unhide the HPA using utilities such as HDAT2 or MHDD: http://www.hdat2.com/ http://hddguru.com/content/en/software/2005.10.02-MHDD/ This FAQ has info on Dell's HPA: http://www.hdat2.com/hdat2_faq.html If the hidden partition is in the user accessible area, then a tool such as MBRtool may show it: http://www.diydatarecovery.nl/mbrtool.htm Use MBRtool to look at the partition table at the bottom of LBA-0. How many partitions do you see? MBRtool will also allow you to save track 0 to a file. Look at LBA-3. Dell sometimes uses this sector to access the HPA. Not having a CD for this OEM install, I went to c:\windows\options \cabs and ran setup.exe It acted like I used an answer file and ran MUCH faster than I expected. Once it was finished, it asked me for a product key. I had anticipated this and extracted it before this ever began. I entered it, and was taken to my desktop. I haven't hooked anything but the keyboard, moue, and monitor up nor have I screwed in the drives yet, but everything looks like it's running fine. One thing I noticed is that it no longer says "Dell" on the bootup screen, but instead has a standard win98 bootup screen. Is there any way to bring that back by extracting a file from my old HD? It's a minor thing, but I thought it was nice to have the OEM one to remind me it's NOT a retail product key when somebody asks me if I have one. For that matter, what format is this custom boot screen and can I customize it myself? First priority is to get the old one that the computer came with back up, then worry about further customizations. I didn't expect this, but surprisingly I haven't ahd to revert to running setup the entire time I"ve owned this system. I don't udnerstand why the step of running setup was necessary, I was able to make a working virtual PC virtual hard drive that booted just fine using the exact same procedure only mapping networked drives instead of copying real drive letters. I forgot to add, here's a picture of what I'm trying to bring back, taken from said Virutal PC backup I made prior to obtaining the new drive http://www.flickr.com/photos/10736018@N05/3910124663/ Now when I boot up the actual computer, the Windows 98 screen lacks the words in the upper corners of the screen. No "Distributed by Dell" and no "Microsoft" Look for files that are the same size as logos.sys and logow.sys, ie about 129,000 bytes. I notice that the first three bytes in these files are either BM6 or BM8 which suggests that they are BMP files. Go to Start - Find - Files/Folder and search for files Containing text BM6 or BM8. If you find a likely one, make a copy and rename it to logo.BMP and view it with Paintbrush or your preferred image viewer. While I'm at it, is it possible to modify the file after extracting it from the backup? Can I add "SE" to the Windows 98 and maybe put something to ID the computer as belinging to SlickRCBD? I've hacked explorer.exe so that my Start button says "Franc". - Franc Zabkar Good job Franc, glad to see you're back... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___--- |
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How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup
"SlickRCBD" wrote in message ...
As mentioned in the MPW98.disks.general, I just replaced the HD in my old 98 machine. However, in spite of formatting it with the /s swtich, XCOPYing everything, and doing sys D: for good measure, I couldn't get the comptuer to boot. Not having a CD for this OEM install, I went to c:\windows\options \cabs and ran setup.exe It acted like I used an answer file and ran MUCH faster than I expected. Once it was finished, it asked me for a product key. I had anticipated this and extracted it before this ever began. I entered it, and was taken to my desktop. I haven't hooked anything but the keyboard, moue, and monitor up nor have I screwed in the drives yet, but everything looks like it's running fine. One thing I noticed is that it no longer says "Dell" on the bootup screen, but instead has a standard win98 bootup screen. Is there any way to bring that back by extracting a file from my old HD? It's a minor thing, but I thought it was nice to have the OEM one to remind me it's NOT a retail product key when somebody asks me if I have one. See if there is a "C:\Logo.sys" file. If so, rename it or move it to a sub- folder. The "C:\io.sys" file in Windows 98 typically contains a default logo and it may be the one you want. For that matter, what format is this custom boot screen and can I customize it myself? First priority is to get the old one that the computer came with back up, then worry about further customizations. I didn't expect this, but surprisingly I haven't ahd to revert to running setup the entire time I"ve owned this system. http://www.angelfire.com/my/plinth/logos/logos.html I don't udnerstand why the step of running setup was necessary, I was able to make a working virtual PC virtual hard drive that booted just fine using the exact same procedure only mapping networked drives instead of copying real drive letters. As mentioned by another poster, Windows 98 must be installed on a primary DOS partition, marked as "Active". Ben |
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How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup
"SlickRCBD" wrote in message ...
As mentioned in the MPW98.disks.general, I just replaced the HD in my old 98 machine. However, in spite of formatting it with the /s swtich, XCOPYing everything, and doing sys D: for good measure, I couldn't get the comptuer to boot. Not having a CD for this OEM install, I went to c:\windows\options \cabs and ran setup.exe It acted like I used an answer file and ran MUCH faster than I expected. Once it was finished, it asked me for a product key. I had anticipated this and extracted it before this ever began. I entered it, and was taken to my desktop. I haven't hooked anything but the keyboard, moue, and monitor up nor have I screwed in the drives yet, but everything looks like it's running fine. One thing I noticed is that it no longer says "Dell" on the bootup screen, but instead has a standard win98 bootup screen. Is there any way to bring that back by extracting a file from my old HD? It's a minor thing, but I thought it was nice to have the OEM one to remind me it's NOT a retail product key when somebody asks me if I have one. See if there is a "C:\Logo.sys" file. If so, rename it or move it to a sub- folder. The "C:\io.sys" file in Windows 98 typically contains a default logo and it may be the one you want. For that matter, what format is this custom boot screen and can I customize it myself? First priority is to get the old one that the computer came with back up, then worry about further customizations. I didn't expect this, but surprisingly I haven't ahd to revert to running setup the entire time I"ve owned this system. http://www.angelfire.com/my/plinth/logos/logos.html I don't udnerstand why the step of running setup was necessary, I was able to make a working virtual PC virtual hard drive that booted just fine using the exact same procedure only mapping networked drives instead of copying real drive letters. As mentioned by another poster, Windows 98 must be installed on a primary DOS partition, marked as "Active". Ben |
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How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 04:09:15 -0400, "Ben Myers"
wrote: As mentioned by another poster, Windows 98 must be installed on a primary DOS partition, marked as "Active". Ben .... not quite exactly, but usually is so said (not to have problems Well, actually Win9x can be mounted/installed on ANY partition/disk even slave & secondary & non bootable Fat or Fat32 you want & it can be booted from any bootable media from Bios if that media contains Io.sys & Msdos.sys with a propper path set to win folder. I made myself years ago a bootable CD-Rom running minimal win95B installation for rescue purposes entirely running from RAM (no disk needed :-) http://users.volja.net/image/Files/ResQsys.htm (see bottom page) ... for older computers (having between 64 to 512Mb ram, single core cpu ... sometimes it can be useful for cloning win9x or WinXP on Fat32 installations on Ide HDs up to 132Mb & files up to 2GB ... -- Regards , SPAJKY ® mail addr. @ my site @ http://www.spajky.vze.com 7y - "Tualatin OC-ed / BX-Slot1 / inaudible setup!" |
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How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 04:09:15 -0400, "Ben Myers"
wrote: As mentioned by another poster, Windows 98 must be installed on a primary DOS partition, marked as "Active". Ben .... not quite exactly, but usually is so said (not to have problems Well, actually Win9x can be mounted/installed on ANY partition/disk even slave & secondary & non bootable Fat or Fat32 you want & it can be booted from any bootable media from Bios if that media contains Io.sys & Msdos.sys with a propper path set to win folder. I made myself years ago a bootable CD-Rom running minimal win95B installation for rescue purposes entirely running from RAM (no disk needed :-) http://users.volja.net/image/Files/ResQsys.htm (see bottom page) ... for older computers (having between 64 to 512Mb ram, single core cpu ... sometimes it can be useful for cloning win9x or WinXP on Fat32 installations on Ide HDs up to 132Mb & files up to 2GB ... -- Regards , SPAJKY ® mail addr. @ my site @ http://www.spajky.vze.com 7y - "Tualatin OC-ed / BX-Slot1 / inaudible setup!" |
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How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup
Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:04:02 -0400, "PCR" put finger to keyboard and composed: ... my Compaq puts up a different startup screen -- just a big, red COMPAQ -- & I have no Logo.sys file in C:\. And I doubt it altered the one embedded in IO.sys. Therefore, I believe there is a 3rd mechanism for it (which I haven't ever discovered). Look for a HPA or hidden partition. See my first post to this thread. I'll look. There was a second partition that held an updatable, full-system backup, but it wasn't hidden. And there is no hidden partition for sure. Is it possible that the Compaq logo is patched into the BIOS? Modern motherboards (eg Asus, Gigabyte) are supplied with utilities that allow users to add their own logos and backgrounds to the BIOS. Well, it is a Compaq BIOS, & I've even flashed it with a Compaq download. That never occurred to me, but I guess it is possible. The flash is... System ROM Family: 686S4; System ROM Date: 7/25/00. I have no such utility for my BIOS. - Franc Zabkar -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
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How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup
Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:04:02 -0400, "PCR" put finger to keyboard and composed: ... my Compaq puts up a different startup screen -- just a big, red COMPAQ -- & I have no Logo.sys file in C:\. And I doubt it altered the one embedded in IO.sys. Therefore, I believe there is a 3rd mechanism for it (which I haven't ever discovered). Look for a HPA or hidden partition. See my first post to this thread. I'll look. There was a second partition that held an updatable, full-system backup, but it wasn't hidden. And there is no hidden partition for sure. Is it possible that the Compaq logo is patched into the BIOS? Modern motherboards (eg Asus, Gigabyte) are supplied with utilities that allow users to add their own logos and backgrounds to the BIOS. Well, it is a Compaq BIOS, & I've even flashed it with a Compaq download. That never occurred to me, but I guess it is possible. The flash is... System ROM Family: 686S4; System ROM Date: 7/25/00. I have no such utility for my BIOS. - Franc Zabkar -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
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How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:24:27 -0400, "PCR" put
finger to keyboard and composed: Franc Zabkar wrote: Is it possible that the Compaq logo is patched into the BIOS? Modern motherboards (eg Asus, Gigabyte) are supplied with utilities that allow users to add their own logos and backgrounds to the BIOS. Well, it is a Compaq BIOS, & I've even flashed it with a Compaq download. That never occurred to me, but I guess it is possible. The flash is... System ROM Family: 686S4; System ROM Date: 7/25/00. I have no such utility for my BIOS. These are the modules in my BIOS: http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S...OS/MODULES.TXT I believe that the "Small OEM Logo" is the "Green" logo. This is a dump of my AMI BIOS: http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/L7S7A2.RPT These are the binary modules that were extracted from the compressed image: http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/ Gigabyte "Face-Wizard": http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/FileList/...facewizard.htm "Face-Wizard™ allows user to select BIOS on board or file in hard drive/floppy disk/zip/MO or other storage devices and combine the compatible picture you prefer into BIOS. And not only this, Face-Wizard™ also helps user to update BIOS in Windows mode." Asus MyLogo Series: http://www.asus.com/999/html/events/mb/mylogo.htm "With the MyLogo Series, you can download your favorite image from Windows into the BIOS Flash ROM, providing a fast, convenient way to 'decorate' your system." - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. |
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