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Can you tell me how you tell a high density from a low density?
"Ron Martell" wrote in message ... "Susan" wrote: I lost my bet, I think you are right! I have installed the 256MB, there were 2 64MB DIMMs installed in the only 2 slots, so I have been pulling out DIMMS and reseating them! Right now I have the 256MB in the 1st slot and a 64MB in the 2nd slot. Total memory shows 90MB and that is less than half. My brother sent my a card which I received today that states: The older we get, the more we're like computers. We start out with lots of memory and drive, then we eventually become outdated, crash at odd moments, acquire errors in our systems, and have to have our parts replaced. Right now I feel like crashing! I am going to take out the 64 MB and leave the 256 MB in and see what happens. You are probably using a high density PC133 SDRAM module and your computer is designed to use either PC100 or low density PC133 modules. These computers typically recognize only half the capacity of high density modules if they are installed. Go to www.crucial.com and check out their specs for RAM for your specific laptop model. Good luck Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada -- Microsoft MVP On-Line Help Computer Service http://onlinehelp.bc.ca In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP http://aumha.org/alex.htm |
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If it's new it is almost certainly high-density memory. If it is more than
a year old it could be either. Unfortunately unless you can look it up on the manufacturer's Web site there's no tell-tale clue that lets you tell which is which. -- Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to. * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/ * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Susan" wrote in message ... Can you tell me how you tell a high density from a low density? "Ron Martell" wrote in message ... "Susan" wrote: I lost my bet, I think you are right! I have installed the 256MB, there were 2 64MB DIMMs installed in the only 2 slots, so I have been pulling out DIMMS and reseating them! Right now I have the 256MB in the 1st slot and a 64MB in the 2nd slot. Total memory shows 90MB and that is less than half. My brother sent my a card which I received today that states: The older we get, the more we're like computers. We start out with lots of memory and drive, then we eventually become outdated, crash at odd moments, acquire errors in our systems, and have to have our parts replaced. Right now I feel like crashing! I am going to take out the 64 MB and leave the 256 MB in and see what happens. You are probably using a high density PC133 SDRAM module and your computer is designed to use either PC100 or low density PC133 modules. These computers typically recognize only half the capacity of high density modules if they are installed. Go to www.crucial.com and check out their specs for RAM for your specific laptop model. Good luck Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada -- Microsoft MVP On-Line Help Computer Service http://onlinehelp.bc.ca In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP http://aumha.org/alex.htm |
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Do computers about 5 years old only use low density?
"Richard G. Harper" wrote in message ... If it's new it is almost certainly high-density memory. If it is more than a year old it could be either. Unfortunately unless you can look it up on the manufacturer's Web site there's no tell-tale clue that lets you tell which is which. -- Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to. * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/ * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Susan" wrote in message ... Can you tell me how you tell a high density from a low density? "Ron Martell" wrote in message ... "Susan" wrote: I lost my bet, I think you are right! I have installed the 256MB, there were 2 64MB DIMMs installed in the only 2 slots, so I have been pulling out DIMMS and reseating them! Right now I have the 256MB in the 1st slot and a 64MB in the 2nd slot. Total memory shows 90MB and that is less than half. My brother sent my a card which I received today that states: The older we get, the more we're like computers. We start out with lots of memory and drive, then we eventually become outdated, crash at odd moments, acquire errors in our systems, and have to have our parts replaced. Right now I feel like crashing! I am going to take out the 64 MB and leave the 256 MB in and see what happens. You are probably using a high density PC133 SDRAM module and your computer is designed to use either PC100 or low density PC133 modules. These computers typically recognize only half the capacity of high density modules if they are installed. Go to www.crucial.com and check out their specs for RAM for your specific laptop model. Good luck Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada -- Microsoft MVP On-Line Help Computer Service http://onlinehelp.bc.ca In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP http://aumha.org/alex.htm |
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Susan, not necessarily, but it is most probable.
You appear to be having the dilemma that I was suggesting earlier. The chipset may not support high-density memory or greater than 128 MB modules. I recommend purchasing a 128 MB PC100 module and installing it alone. Hopefully, the machine will boot, and both the BIOS and Windows will detect all of it. If so, I recommend buying a second identical module and installing it to the second memory slot. Hopefully, it, too, will be detected for a total of 256 MB of installed ram. This amount will let you run winME just fine, for usual situations. Return the 256 MB module and donate the two original 64 MB modules to a friend or local non-profit. Or sell to a commercial reseller: eg., www.18004memory.com -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm In Memorium: Alex Nichol http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "Susan" wrote in message ... Do computers about 5 years old only use low density? "Richard G. Harper" wrote in message ... If it's new it is almost certainly high-density memory. If it is more than a year old it could be either. Unfortunately unless you can look it up on the manufacturer's Web site there's no tell-tale clue that lets you tell which is which. -- Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to. * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/ * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Susan" wrote in message ... Can you tell me how you tell a high density from a low density? "Ron Martell" wrote in message ... "Susan" wrote: I lost my bet, I think you are right! I have installed the 256MB, there were 2 64MB DIMMs installed in the only 2 slots, so I have been pulling out DIMMS and reseating them! Right now I have the 256MB in the 1st slot and a 64MB in the 2nd slot. Total memory shows 90MB and that is less than half. My brother sent my a card which I received today that states: The older we get, the more we're like computers. We start out with lots of memory and drive, then we eventually become outdated, crash at odd moments, acquire errors in our systems, and have to have our parts replaced. Right now I feel like crashing! I am going to take out the 64 MB and leave the 256 MB in and see what happens. You are probably using a high density PC133 SDRAM module and your computer is designed to use either PC100 or low density PC133 modules. These computers typically recognize only half the capacity of high density modules if they are installed. Go to www.crucial.com and check out their specs for RAM for your specific laptop model. Good luck Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada -- Microsoft MVP On-Line Help Computer Service http://onlinehelp.bc.ca In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP http://aumha.org/alex.htm |
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I will call tech support tomorrow. But I pulled the Crucial 256 MB from my
Dell ( I added several years ago) and added it to the newly acquired old Dell with one of the 64 MB cards, it now shows 320MB RAM. I added the 64 MB to the 128MB RAM (after pulling the Crucial) and it shows 190 MB Ram. It will have to do for right now. The only difference that I could tell from the websites is that the Class=2 was on the Crucial card and Class=3 is on the website for the Ultra. I don't know what that means but I do know that the Ultra will not work in either Dell Dimension L series. "Jack E Martinelli" wrote in message ... Susan, not necessarily, but it is most probable. You appear to be having the dilemma that I was suggesting earlier. The chipset may not support high-density memory or greater than 128 MB modules. I recommend purchasing a 128 MB PC100 module and installing it alone. Hopefully, the machine will boot, and both the BIOS and Windows will detect all of it. If so, I recommend buying a second identical module and installing it to the second memory slot. Hopefully, it, too, will be detected for a total of 256 MB of installed ram. This amount will let you run winME just fine, for usual situations. Return the 256 MB module and donate the two original 64 MB modules to a friend or local non-profit. Or sell to a commercial reseller: eg., www.18004memory.com -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm In Memorium: Alex Nichol http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "Susan" wrote in message ... Do computers about 5 years old only use low density? "Richard G. Harper" wrote in message ... If it's new it is almost certainly high-density memory. If it is more than a year old it could be either. Unfortunately unless you can look it up on the manufacturer's Web site there's no tell-tale clue that lets you tell which is which. -- Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to. * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/ * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Susan" wrote in message ... Can you tell me how you tell a high density from a low density? "Ron Martell" wrote in message ... "Susan" wrote: I lost my bet, I think you are right! I have installed the 256MB, there were 2 64MB DIMMs installed in the only 2 slots, so I have been pulling out DIMMS and reseating them! Right now I have the 256MB in the 1st slot and a 64MB in the 2nd slot. Total memory shows 90MB and that is less than half. My brother sent my a card which I received today that states: The older we get, the more we're like computers. We start out with lots of memory and drive, then we eventually become outdated, crash at odd moments, acquire errors in our systems, and have to have our parts replaced. Right now I feel like crashing! I am going to take out the 64 MB and leave the 256 MB in and see what happens. You are probably using a high density PC133 SDRAM module and your computer is designed to use either PC100 or low density PC133 modules. These computers typically recognize only half the capacity of high density modules if they are installed. Go to www.crucial.com and check out their specs for RAM for your specific laptop model. Good luck Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada -- Microsoft MVP On-Line Help Computer Service http://onlinehelp.bc.ca In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP http://aumha.org/alex.htm |
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Well,, kudos to you for being so imaginative and adventurous!
The 256 MB module is obviously cooperating with the 64 MB module and the chipset to give the total of 320 MB. Similarly, the 128 plus 64 is yielding 192 MB, with 2 MB allocated to system overhead usage. Either total amount of memory, 320 and/or 190 MB, will run your WinME fine for most purposes. You now know how to use the MS System Monitor / Swapfile in Use tool to monitor the actual swapfile size. Congratulations for your persistence, -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm In Memorium: Alex Nichol http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "Susan" wrote in message ... I will call tech support tomorrow. But I pulled the Crucial 256 MB from my Dell ( I added several years ago) and added it to the newly acquired old Dell with one of the 64 MB cards, it now shows 320MB RAM. I added the 64 MB to the 128MB RAM (after pulling the Crucial) and it shows 190 MB Ram. It will have to do for right now. The only difference that I could tell from the websites is that the Class=2 was on the Crucial card and Class=3 is on the website for the Ultra. I don't know what that means but I do know that the Ultra will not work in either Dell Dimension L series. "Jack E Martinelli" wrote in message ... Susan, not necessarily, but it is most probable. You appear to be having the dilemma that I was suggesting earlier. The chipset may not support high-density memory or greater than 128 MB modules. I recommend purchasing a 128 MB PC100 module and installing it alone. Hopefully, the machine will boot, and both the BIOS and Windows will detect all of it. If so, I recommend buying a second identical module and installing it to the second memory slot. Hopefully, it, too, will be detected for a total of 256 MB of installed ram. This amount will let you run winME just fine, for usual situations. Return the 256 MB module and donate the two original 64 MB modules to a friend or local non-profit. Or sell to a commercial reseller: eg., www.18004memory.com -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm In Memorium: Alex Nichol http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "Susan" wrote in message ... Do computers about 5 years old only use low density? "Richard G. Harper" wrote in message ... If it's new it is almost certainly high-density memory. If it is more than a year old it could be either. Unfortunately unless you can look it up on the manufacturer's Web site there's no tell-tale clue that lets you tell which is which. -- Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to. * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/ * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Susan" wrote in message ... Can you tell me how you tell a high density from a low density? "Ron Martell" wrote in message ... "Susan" wrote: I lost my bet, I think you are right! I have installed the 256MB, there were 2 64MB DIMMs installed in the only 2 slots, so I have been pulling out DIMMS and reseating them! Right now I have the 256MB in the 1st slot and a 64MB in the 2nd slot. Total memory shows 90MB and that is less than half. My brother sent my a card which I received today that states: The older we get, the more we're like computers. We start out with lots of memory and drive, then we eventually become outdated, crash at odd moments, acquire errors in our systems, and have to have our parts replaced. Right now I feel like crashing! I am going to take out the 64 MB and leave the 256 MB in and see what happens. You are probably using a high density PC133 SDRAM module and your computer is designed to use either PC100 or low density PC133 modules. These computers typically recognize only half the capacity of high density modules if they are installed. Go to www.crucial.com and check out their specs for RAM for your specific laptop model. Good luck Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada -- Microsoft MVP On-Line Help Computer Service http://onlinehelp.bc.ca In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP http://aumha.org/alex.htm |
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You now know how to use the MS System Monitor / Swapfile in Use tool to
monitor the actual swapfile size. No, I am ignorant about the above but guess I ought to search the MS KB to find out. Thanks for all your help and the help of others. Susan "Jack E Martinelli" wrote in message ... Well,, kudos to you for being so imaginative and adventurous! The 256 MB module is obviously cooperating with the 64 MB module and the chipset to give the total of 320 MB. Similarly, the 128 plus 64 is yielding 192 MB, with 2 MB allocated to system overhead usage. Either total amount of memory, 320 and/or 190 MB, will run your WinME fine for most purposes. You now know how to use the MS System Monitor / Swapfile in Use tool to monitor the actual swapfile size. Congratulations for your persistence, -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm In Memorium: Alex Nichol http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "Susan" wrote in message ... I will call tech support tomorrow. But I pulled the Crucial 256 MB from my Dell ( I added several years ago) and added it to the newly acquired old Dell with one of the 64 MB cards, it now shows 320MB RAM. I added the 64 MB to the 128MB RAM (after pulling the Crucial) and it shows 190 MB Ram. It will have to do for right now. The only difference that I could tell from the websites is that the Class=2 was on the Crucial card and Class=3 is on the website for the Ultra. I don't know what that means but I do know that the Ultra will not work in either Dell Dimension L series. "Jack E Martinelli" wrote in message ... Susan, not necessarily, but it is most probable. You appear to be having the dilemma that I was suggesting earlier. The chipset may not support high-density memory or greater than 128 MB modules. I recommend purchasing a 128 MB PC100 module and installing it alone. Hopefully, the machine will boot, and both the BIOS and Windows will detect all of it. If so, I recommend buying a second identical module and installing it to the second memory slot. Hopefully, it, too, will be detected for a total of 256 MB of installed ram. This amount will let you run winME just fine, for usual situations. Return the 256 MB module and donate the two original 64 MB modules to a friend or local non-profit. Or sell to a commercial reseller: eg., www.18004memory.com -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm In Memorium: Alex Nichol http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "Susan" wrote in message ... Do computers about 5 years old only use low density? "Richard G. Harper" wrote in message ... If it's new it is almost certainly high-density memory. If it is more than a year old it could be either. Unfortunately unless you can look it up on the manufacturer's Web site there's no tell-tale clue that lets you tell which is which. -- Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to. * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/ * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Susan" wrote in message ... Can you tell me how you tell a high density from a low density? "Ron Martell" wrote in message ... "Susan" wrote: I lost my bet, I think you are right! I have installed the 256MB, there were 2 64MB DIMMs installed in the only 2 slots, so I have been pulling out DIMMS and reseating them! Right now I have the 256MB in the 1st slot and a 64MB in the 2nd slot. Total memory shows 90MB and that is less than half. My brother sent my a card which I received today that states: The older we get, the more we're like computers. We start out with lots of memory and drive, then we eventually become outdated, crash at odd moments, acquire errors in our systems, and have to have our parts replaced. Right now I feel like crashing! I am going to take out the 64 MB and leave the 256 MB in and see what happens. You are probably using a high density PC133 SDRAM module and your computer is designed to use either PC100 or low density PC133 modules. These computers typically recognize only half the capacity of high density modules if they are installed. Go to www.crucial.com and check out their specs for RAM for your specific laptop model. Good luck Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada -- Microsoft MVP On-Line Help Computer Service http://onlinehelp.bc.ca In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP http://aumha.org/alex.htm |
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The answer is "probably yes".
Until 128mb memory modules became popular all memory was low density, and would almost surely work in any computer as long as the timing was correct. When 128mb memory modules were introduced some were low density (had 12 to 16 chips per SDRAM module) and some were high density (had 6 to 8 chips per SDRAM module). Until about a year ago most high-density modules could still be used in low-density motherboards, but that changed (probably due to a change in the availability of RAM chips) and high-density 128mb and 256mb modules made today won't work in a low density motherboard unless they are specifically labeled as being compatible with low-density systems. -- Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to. * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/ * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Susan" wrote in message ... Do computers about 5 years old only use low density? "Richard G. Harper" wrote in message ... If it's new it is almost certainly high-density memory. If it is more than a year old it could be either. Unfortunately unless you can look it up on the manufacturer's Web site there's no tell-tale clue that lets you tell which is which. -- Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to. * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/ * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Susan" wrote in message ... Can you tell me how you tell a high density from a low density? "Ron Martell" wrote in message ... "Susan" wrote: I lost my bet, I think you are right! I have installed the 256MB, there were 2 64MB DIMMs installed in the only 2 slots, so I have been pulling out DIMMS and reseating them! Right now I have the 256MB in the 1st slot and a 64MB in the 2nd slot. Total memory shows 90MB and that is less than half. My brother sent my a card which I received today that states: The older we get, the more we're like computers. We start out with lots of memory and drive, then we eventually become outdated, crash at odd moments, acquire errors in our systems, and have to have our parts replaced. Right now I feel like crashing! I am going to take out the 64 MB and leave the 256 MB in and see what happens. You are probably using a high density PC133 SDRAM module and your computer is designed to use either PC100 or low density PC133 modules. These computers typically recognize only half the capacity of high density modules if they are installed. Go to www.crucial.com and check out their specs for RAM for your specific laptop model. Good luck Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada -- Microsoft MVP On-Line Help Computer Service http://onlinehelp.bc.ca In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP http://aumha.org/alex.htm |
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A General Tutorial on the Various Forms of Memory
http://support.microsoft.com/default...kb;en-us;37242 www.simmtester.com ------ MS System Monitor and its "Swapfile in Use" feature My colleague, MVP Ron Martell, is the guru for this tool, but to paraphrase him: The System Monitor tool should be visible at Start/Programs/Accessories/System Tools. If not, use the Add-Remove Programs wizard, where tab = Windows Setup. Scroll down to System tools and check System Monitor (and Resource Meter) to enable it. The WinME setup CD will be requested, so insert it or redirect the wizard to your ....\Windows\Options\Install folder, or CAB folder, to let the files be copied. When you can launch System Monitor, first remove the "cpu Usage" feature, as it is notoriously inaccurate. " your "Kernel Processor Usage" issue. MS System Monitor is known to utilize a faulty algorithm to measure "cpu usage", or "load". " You'll have to obtain a better process viewer to measure cpu usage: Process Explorer www.sysinternals.com Then using "Add Item", find the "Swapfile in Use" tool under Memory Manager. When enabled, this will report the actual size of the current swapfile. You will wish to monitor its size as you work normally over one to two weeks. If your "swapfile in use" doesn't exceed ca. 10 MB, you are just fine. A larger "swapfile in use" means that system performance is slowed as the system has to read from the disk into main memory, which is far slower than just memory accesses. ----- And be sure to reread Richard Harper's comments about memory in this thread. -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm In Memorium: Alex Nichol http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "Susan" wrote in message ... You now know how to use the MS System Monitor / Swapfile in Use tool to monitor the actual swapfile size. No, I am ignorant about the above, but guess I ought to search the MS KB to find out. Thanks for all your help and the help of others. Susan SNIP |
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