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  #1  
Old August 31st 06, 11:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
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Default Not enough memory, it says...

But I have plenty (1GB) and 3 GB empty on hard drive.
This is a fairly new installation and I just upgraded to
video so that I could use high resolution. When I
went to setup the modem, it wouldn't let me......
not enough memory, close some programs. But I have
practically nothing running.

Please tell me how I can run Task Manager in ME so
that I can see what's happening in RAM.

Thanks.
--
William B. Lurie
  #2  
Old August 31st 06, 11:47 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mike M
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Default Not enough memory, it says...

Memory has little or nothing to do with the amount of free space on your
hard drive and rather more to do with the amount of RAM you have installed
and the size of the swap file.

However I feel the error message you saw is probably incorrect in stating
that you were short on memory but instead should have said that you were
short on resources. Resources in this case being two fixed size 64K
stacks used to store 16 bit pointers and the like. You say you had little
running at the time but is it possible that you had several background
applications being launched when you boot your PC. For example using AOL
is very resource intensive. You can check the amount of free resources by
using the Resource Meter (Start | Programs | Accessories | Resource Meter
and keeping an eye on the amount of free system and user resources.

Sadly it is impossible in Win Me to increase the size of these two 64K
stacks, this it has in common with earlier Win 9x operating systems such
as Win 98 and one reason why Win9x systems can only multi-task to a
limited extent, far less so than NT based systems such as XP which does
not have these two stacks.

Please tell me how I can run Task Manager in ME so
that I can see what's happening in RAM.


You don't but you can use Win Me's system monitor (Start | Programs |
Accessories | System Tools) but as I have already mentioned I doubt that
the problem is with your RAM but rather with the two fixed size 16 bit
stacks.
--
Mike Maltby
MS-MVP Windows




wrote:

But I have plenty (1GB) and 3 GB empty on hard drive.
This is a fairly new installation and I just upgraded to
video so that I could use high resolution. When I
went to setup the modem, it wouldn't let me......
not enough memory, close some programs. But I have
practically nothing running.

Please tell me how I can run Task Manager in ME so
that I can see what's happening in RAM.

Thanks.


  #3  
Old September 1st 06, 02:05 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
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Default Not enough memory, it says...

Mike, it's hard to work a problem like this, the way we have to do
it, a message and then hours of delay for an answer and then hours of
delay etcetera. But that's the way it is. A communication channel with
a bandwidth of .0001 Hertz maybe.

First you referred me to a Resource Meter. You said go
StartProgramsAccessoriesResource Meter. I got as far
as Accessories but found no Resource Meter.

I did get to a place with System Information, and everything
there looked just fine. Loads of everything and almost full
capacity showing as unused, available. I'm not sure that I
understand what you explained about 64K stacks, but you imply that
whatever I have running is filling up those stacks. I can't find the
Resource Meter but I can tell you that I have absolutely no known
applications running. Is there a way to look at the 64K stacks to see
if they are filled, and with what? I think I mentioned that I have
an MSDOS icon on my Desktop, but clicking it gives me the "Not
enough memory" error message.

My sequence was, I installed a video driver to get 800x whatever
resolution. All still okay. Then I tried to install a Conexant 56K
modem. Don't think I succeeded, but I'm in this not enough memory trap.
I'm in Selective Startup with nothing of MINE being loaded.

So have I told you enough, so that you can lead me out of this
trap?



Mike M wrote:
Memory has little or nothing to do with the amount of free space on your
hard drive and rather more to do with the amount of RAM you have
installed and the size of the swap file.

However I feel the error message you saw is probably incorrect in
stating that you were short on memory but instead should have said that
you were short on resources. Resources in this case being two fixed
size 64K stacks used to store 16 bit pointers and the like. You say you
had little running at the time but is it possible that you had several
background applications being launched when you boot your PC. For
example using AOL is very resource intensive. You can check the amount
of free resources by using the Resource Meter (Start | Programs |
Accessories | Resource Meter and keeping an eye on the amount of free
system and user resources.

Sadly it is impossible in Win Me to increase the size of these two 64K
stacks, this it has in common with earlier Win 9x operating systems such
as Win 98 and one reason why Win9x systems can only multi-task to a
limited extent, far less so than NT based systems such as XP which does
not have these two stacks.

Please tell me how I can run Task Manager in ME so
that I can see what's happening in RAM.


You don't but you can use Win Me's system monitor (Start | Programs |
Accessories | System Tools) but as I have already mentioned I doubt that
the problem is with your RAM but rather with the two fixed size 16 bit
stacks.



--
William B. Lurie
  #4  
Old September 1st 06, 02:24 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mike M
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Default Not enough memory, it says...

Mike, it's hard to work a problem like this, the way we have to do
it, a message and then hours of delay for an answer and then hours of
delay etcetera. But that's the way it is. A communication channel with
a bandwidth of .0001 Hertz maybe.


I'm sorry but I feel that is little short of rubbish especially "then
hours of delay for an answer". First these are peer to peer support
newsgroups where helpers may be anywhere in the world and not always
around when someone asks a question. Secondly I responded to your initial
enquiry within 42 minutes of it being posted and I started on this second
message just 10 minutes after your last post. If that isn't quick enough
for you then I feel perhaps you should take your PC down to your local
computer shop and pay them to sort out the problem for you.

OK I omitted to mention looking in the System Tools folder in Start |
Programs | Accessories but to be honest that would have only taken you
what, 10 seconds at most?

Don't think I succeeded, but I'm in this not enough memory trap.


Did you read my earlier message in which I thought I had stated that it
was pretty unlikely that the problem was due to lack of memory but rather
one of lack of resources? Did you look for the resource meter? Windows
Explorer's search would have helped if you hadn't thought to look in the
Accessories system tools folder.

Please don't expect me to reply to any further post for many hours. It's
well gone 2 a.m. where I am and I won't be around now until tomorrow.
--
Mike Maltby
MS-MVP Windows



wrote:

Mike, it's hard to work a problem like this, the way we have to do
it, a message and then hours of delay for an answer and then hours of
delay etcetera. But that's the way it is. A communication channel with
a bandwidth of .0001 Hertz maybe.

First you referred me to a Resource Meter. You said go
StartProgramsAccessoriesResource Meter. I got as far
as Accessories but found no Resource Meter.

I did get to a place with System Information, and everything
there looked just fine. Loads of everything and almost full
capacity showing as unused, available. I'm not sure that I
understand what you explained about 64K stacks, but you imply that
whatever I have running is filling up those stacks. I can't find the
Resource Meter but I can tell you that I have absolutely no known
applications running. Is there a way to look at the 64K stacks to see
if they are filled, and with what? I think I mentioned that I have
an MSDOS icon on my Desktop, but clicking it gives me the "Not
enough memory" error message.

My sequence was, I installed a video driver to get 800x whatever
resolution. All still okay. Then I tried to install a Conexant 56K
modem. Don't think I succeeded, but I'm in this not enough memory
trap. I'm in Selective Startup with nothing of MINE being loaded.

So have I told you enough, so that you can lead me out of this
trap?



Mike M wrote:
Memory has little or nothing to do with the amount of free space on
your hard drive and rather more to do with the amount of RAM you have
installed and the size of the swap file.

However I feel the error message you saw is probably incorrect in
stating that you were short on memory but instead should have said
that you were short on resources. Resources in this case being two
fixed size 64K stacks used to store 16 bit pointers and the like. You
say you had little running at the time but is it possible that
you had several background applications being launched when you boot
your PC. For example using AOL is very resource intensive. You can
check the amount of free resources by using the Resource Meter
(Start | Programs | Accessories | Resource Meter and keeping an eye
on the amount of free system and user resources.

Sadly it is impossible in Win Me to increase the size of these two
64K stacks, this it has in common with earlier Win 9x operating
systems such as Win 98 and one reason why Win9x systems can only
multi-task to a limited extent, far less so than NT based systems
such as XP which does not have these two stacks.

Please tell me how I can run Task Manager in ME so
that I can see what's happening in RAM.


You don't but you can use Win Me's system monitor (Start | Programs |
Accessories | System Tools) but as I have already mentioned I doubt
that the problem is with your RAM but rather with the two fixed size
16 bit stacks.


  #5  
Old September 1st 06, 03:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
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Default Not enough memory, it says...

Mike, my comment about hours of delay was based on experience
in parallel newsgroups (both 98 and XP). Your turnaround time
was most unusual and I assure you, exemplary and most welcome.
I'm sorry you read it as a criticism; that shoe certainly didn't
fit you.

As for it being a "not enough memory" trap, I called it that
because those were the words in the error message. I did understand
that you feel the problem is with resources, but I can't tell you
about resources until I find the Resource Meter. In a way, the 5-hour
time differential across the pond is a help; I post this at 2230
hours, my time, 0330 yours, and when I sign in again, it will be
1200 hours BST and perhaps you will have given me steps to follow,
things to do and report back.

I went back again and see if I could find Resource Meter. Search
didn't find it. I did go AccessoriesSystem ToolsSystem Information
but still no Resource Meter. I looked at all the data and expanded
just about everything but if the 64K stack information is to be gleaned
there, I didn't recognise it. Perhaps, now that you know where I'm able
to go on my system, you'll tell me where to look for this stack
information, and what it will be named, so that we can pin down the
source of my problem.

Mike M wrote:
Mike, it's hard to work a problem like this, the way we have to do
it, a message and then hours of delay for an answer and then hours of
delay etcetera. But that's the way it is. A communication channel with
a bandwidth of .0001 Hertz maybe.


I'm sorry but I feel that is little short of rubbish especially "then
hours of delay for an answer". First these are peer to peer support
newsgroups where helpers may be anywhere in the world and not always
around when someone asks a question. Secondly I responded to your
initial enquiry within 42 minutes of it being posted and I started on
this second message just 10 minutes after your last post. If that isn't
quick enough for you then I feel perhaps you should take your PC down to
your local computer shop and pay them to sort out the problem for you.

OK I omitted to mention looking in the System Tools folder in Start |
Programs | Accessories but to be honest that would have only taken you
what, 10 seconds at most?

Don't think I succeeded, but I'm in this not enough memory trap.


Did you read my earlier message in which I thought I had stated that it
was pretty unlikely that the problem was due to lack of memory but
rather one of lack of resources? Did you look for the resource meter?
Windows Explorer's search would have helped if you hadn't thought to
look in the Accessories system tools folder.

Please don't expect me to reply to any further post for many hours.
It's well gone 2 a.m. where I am and I won't be around now until tomorrow.



--
William B. Lurie

  #6  
Old September 1st 06, 09:01 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mart
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Default Not enough memory, it says...

billurie wrote :-

..... but I can't tell you
about resources until I find the Resource Meter


May not have been installed yet?

Start | Settings | Control Panel | Add/Remove Programs \ Windows Setup -
System Tools - System Resource Meter (and System Monitor)

BTW - Mike did mention the 'System Tools' folder when referring to 'System
Monitor' in the last paragraph of his first post :-

.... but you can use Win Me's system monitor
(Start | Programs | Accessories | System Tools) etc....


BTW - in your first post, you said :-

But I have practically nothing running.


Hmm .. Have you confirmed that your pc is virus/malware/scumware/hijackware
free, using the latest signature AV definitions and other anti-malware
utilities - before you start worrying about resources?

Mart



wrote in message ...
Mike, my comment about hours of delay was based on experience
in parallel newsgroups (both 98 and XP). Your turnaround time
was most unusual and I assure you, exemplary and most welcome.
I'm sorry you read it as a criticism; that shoe certainly didn't
fit you.

As for it being a "not enough memory" trap, I called it that
because those were the words in the error message. I did understand
that you feel the problem is with resources, but I can't tell you
about resources until I find the Resource Meter. In a way, the 5-hour
time differential across the pond is a help; I post this at 2230
hours, my time, 0330 yours, and when I sign in again, it will be
1200 hours BST and perhaps you will have given me steps to follow,
things to do and report back.

I went back again and see if I could find Resource Meter. Search
didn't find it. I did go AccessoriesSystem ToolsSystem Information
but still no Resource Meter. I looked at all the data and expanded
just about everything but if the 64K stack information is to be gleaned
there, I didn't recognise it. Perhaps, now that you know where I'm able to
go on my system, you'll tell me where to look for this stack
information, and what it will be named, so that we can pin down the source
of my problem.

Mike M wrote:
Mike, it's hard to work a problem like this, the way we have to do
it, a message and then hours of delay for an answer and then hours of
delay etcetera. But that's the way it is. A communication channel with
a bandwidth of .0001 Hertz maybe.


I'm sorry but I feel that is little short of rubbish especially "then
hours of delay for an answer". First these are peer to peer support
newsgroups where helpers may be anywhere in the world and not always
around when someone asks a question. Secondly I responded to your
initial enquiry within 42 minutes of it being posted and I started on
this second message just 10 minutes after your last post. If that isn't
quick enough for you then I feel perhaps you should take your PC down to
your local computer shop and pay them to sort out the problem for you.

OK I omitted to mention looking in the System Tools folder in Start |
Programs | Accessories but to be honest that would have only taken you
what, 10 seconds at most?

Don't think I succeeded, but I'm in this not enough memory trap.


Did you read my earlier message in which I thought I had stated that it
was pretty unlikely that the problem was due to lack of memory but rather
one of lack of resources? Did you look for the resource meter? Windows
Explorer's search would have helped if you hadn't thought to look in the
Accessories system tools folder.

Please don't expect me to reply to any further post for many hours. It's
well gone 2 a.m. where I am and I won't be around now until tomorrow.



--
William B. Lurie



  #7  
Old September 1st 06, 09:03 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mike M
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Posts: 2,047
Default Not enough memory, it says...

William,

Once again you should find both the Resource Meter and System Monitor at
Start | Programs | Accessories | System Tools. If either or both is
missing then you should be able to reinstall them using Control Panel |
Add/Remove Programs | Windows Setup | System tools, Click Details and then
select Resource Meter and System Monitor (you will notice perhaps that the
Resource Meter has the "wrong" icon due to a bug), then click OK and then
Apply. If already checked, uncheck, OK and Apply and then return, check,
OK and finally Apply again.

With luck and a fair wind you will now be able to monitor your usage of
system resources and if necessary RAM and the swap file using the System
Monitor.

Note that the System Monitor is not the System Information applet you
mention in your post.

Finally it might be a good idea to boot to Safe Mode, open the Device
Manger and delete all entries relating to your modem then boot back in to
Normal Mode and let Win Me redetect your hardware and reinstall the
necessary drivers. You might also want to try reinstalling the Dial-Up
Networking (DUN) components (primarily in the registry). Do this using
Add/Remove Programs | Windows Setup but this time select Communications
and click Details. Uncheck DUN, click OK and then Apply and then return
and this time check DUN, click OK and finally Apply once again.
--
Mike Maltby
MS-MVP Windows



wrote:

Mike, my comment about hours of delay was based on experience
in parallel newsgroups (both 98 and XP). Your turnaround time
was most unusual and I assure you, exemplary and most welcome.
I'm sorry you read it as a criticism; that shoe certainly didn't
fit you.

As for it being a "not enough memory" trap, I called it that
because those were the words in the error message. I did understand
that you feel the problem is with resources, but I can't tell you
about resources until I find the Resource Meter. In a way, the 5-hour
time differential across the pond is a help; I post this at 2230
hours, my time, 0330 yours, and when I sign in again, it will be
1200 hours BST and perhaps you will have given me steps to follow,
things to do and report back.

I went back again and see if I could find Resource Meter. Search
didn't find it. I did go AccessoriesSystem ToolsSystem Information
but still no Resource Meter. I looked at all the data and expanded
just about everything but if the 64K stack information is to be
gleaned there, I didn't recognise it. Perhaps, now that you know
where I'm able to go on my system, you'll tell me where to look for
this stack information, and what it will be named, so that we can pin
down the source of my problem.


  #8  
Old September 1st 06, 09:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mike M
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Default Not enough memory, it says...

Mart,

It's so empty in here nowadays that everything seems to be echoing! vbg
--
Mike


Mart wrote:

billurie wrote :-

..... but I can't tell you
about resources until I find the Resource Meter


May not have been installed yet?

Start | Settings | Control Panel | Add/Remove Programs \ Windows
Setup - System Tools - System Resource Meter (and System Monitor)

BTW - Mike did mention the 'System Tools' folder when referring to
'System Monitor' in the last paragraph of his first post :-

.... but you can use Win Me's system monitor
(Start | Programs | Accessories | System Tools) etc....


BTW - in your first post, you said :-

But I have practically nothing running.


Hmm .. Have you confirmed that your pc is
virus/malware/scumware/hijackware free, using the latest signature AV
definitions and other anti-malware utilities - before you start
worrying about resources?


  #9  
Old September 1st 06, 10:51 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
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Posts: 62
Default Not enough memory, it says...

Mike M wrote:
William,

Once again you should find both the Resource Meter and System Monitor at
Start | Programs | Accessories | System Tools. If either or both is
missing then you should be able to reinstall them using Control Panel |
Add/Remove Programs | Windows Setup | System tools, Click Details and
then select Resource Meter and System Monitor (you will notice perhaps
that the Resource Meter has the "wrong" icon due to a bug), then click
OK and then Apply. If already checked, uncheck, OK and Apply and then
return, check, OK and finally Apply again.

With luck and a fair wind you will now be able to monitor your usage of
system resources and if necessary RAM and the swap file using the System
Monitor.

Note that the System Monitor is not the System Information applet you
mention in your post.

Finally it might be a good idea to boot to Safe Mode, open the Device
Manger and delete all entries relating to your modem then boot back in
to Normal Mode and let Win Me redetect your hardware and reinstall the
necessary drivers. You might also want to try reinstalling the Dial-Up
Networking (DUN) components (primarily in the registry). Do this using
Add/Remove Programs | Windows Setup but this time select Communications
and click Details. Uncheck DUN, click OK and then Apply and then return
and this time check DUN, click OK and finally Apply once again.


Mike:
Up early, checking your mail before urgent family tasks.
Have house guest to cater to, for short spell, but will
try to install what obviously didn't install in my 98
installation plus upgrade to ME. As for viruses, my
Norton System Works (run from Master HD) shows all clean.
And will go Safe Mode to uninstall modem if its install
actually worked. Thanks for your patience.
--
William B. Lurie
  #10  
Old September 1st 06, 11:22 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mart
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Posts: 1,190
Default Not enough memory, it says...

William wrote :-

my Norton System Works !!


Ouch! - That might explain things. Without wishing to get embroiled in the
dreaded 'Norton vs.WinMe' debate regarding Norton products and their (un?)
suitability with WinMe, just take a look around the news groups - but I'm
sure Mike may wish to expand g

Mart


wrote in message ...
Mike M wrote:
William,

Once again you should find both the Resource Meter and System Monitor at
Start | Programs | Accessories | System Tools. If either or both is
missing then you should be able to reinstall them using Control Panel |
Add/Remove Programs | Windows Setup | System tools, Click Details and
then select Resource Meter and System Monitor (you will notice perhaps
that the Resource Meter has the "wrong" icon due to a bug), then click OK
and then Apply. If already checked, uncheck, OK and Apply and then
return, check, OK and finally Apply again.

With luck and a fair wind you will now be able to monitor your usage of
system resources and if necessary RAM and the swap file using the System
Monitor.

Note that the System Monitor is not the System Information applet you
mention in your post.

Finally it might be a good idea to boot to Safe Mode, open the Device
Manger and delete all entries relating to your modem then boot back in to
Normal Mode and let Win Me redetect your hardware and reinstall the
necessary drivers. You might also want to try reinstalling the Dial-Up
Networking (DUN) components (primarily in the registry). Do this using
Add/Remove Programs | Windows Setup but this time select Communications
and click Details. Uncheck DUN, click OK and then Apply and then return
and this time check DUN, click OK and finally Apply once again.


Mike:
Up early, checking your mail before urgent family tasks.
Have house guest to cater to, for short spell, but will
try to install what obviously didn't install in my 98
installation plus upgrade to ME. As for viruses, my
Norton System Works (run from Master HD) shows all clean.
And will go Safe Mode to uninstall modem if its install
actually worked. Thanks for your patience.
--
William B. Lurie



 




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