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Strange problem with Firefox - all links point back to same page
This is Firefox 2.0.0.20.
I typically have many Firefox instances or windows open at any one time (5 to 10 maybe). I tend to open a link "in a new window" instead of opening in a new tab or just following the link in the same window. I do this because it's faster to close the new instance or window when I'm done with the page rather than hit the back button to go back to where I was. Something that's been happening over the past few months is that I'll click on a link on a page but all it does is re-load the page I'm on. When I hover over the link, I notice that instead of showing the "real" link (in the bottom window-bar) it shows the URL of the page I'm on. So clicking on any link on the page will simply re-load the page. It's an interesting trick, but I'm getting tired of it. If I close all firefox windows and start fresh, the problem goes away (for a while anyways). Any ideas what causes this behavior? |
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How to gain access to websites that require latest Java installed
Robert Macy wrote:
took a while to go through all those sites! The most impressive is the commercial software from Java is 15MB and the 'free' software from sourceforge is 223kB, and works! I'm not sure if you're making a functional comparison between Java and KernelEx - but just to be clear they do two very different things. But yes, java is a larger download file. I downloaded and installed kernelex, which required a unicode install?! I know I had installed that earlier, but seems to do it again. Yes, KernelEx requires the windows 98 unicode update file from Microsoft. IE6 recognized the Java and the kernel and did open and navigate that sample website. What version of the Java JRE do you have (or should I ask - which version did you download and install?). There is a trick to installing JRE version 6 update 8 and higher on windows 98 systems. You should not be using IE6 for general web-browsing. That browser has been doing a horrible job of rending web content for the past 4 to 5 years. I use Firefox version 2.0.0.20 on my win-98 systems. It's much more compatible at rendering web content than IE6 is. It can be downloaded from he http://www.oldapps.com/firefox.php?o...fox=7?download KernelEx can't help you run other versions of IE (like IE7, IE8, etc) on Windows 98. IE6 is the last version that can run on Windows 98, and I've said many times that win-98 users should have migrated or moved away from IE 5 years ago and started to use Firefox - or Opera. KernelEx allows win-98 to run recent versions of Firefox and Opera, but I've had issues with version 3.x of firefox and haven't bothered to try to resolve them since version 2.0.0.20 works good the vast majority of the time. I have version 10 or 11 of Opera that I rarely use but I keep on hand when I encounter a website I really want to access but my version of firefox won't render properly. You should install Java and Adobe Flash *after* you 1) install kernelEx 2) install firefox and/or Opera There are some tricks to installing Java version 6 update 8 and higher. There are some tricks to installing Flash also. Next, got to figure out how to run M$ Silverlight to gain access to the GIS maps that MY tax dollars pay for, but I don't benefit from! I don't believe that anyone has gotten silverlight to run under win-98. Then again, I don't think many people have tried. ========================= Java version 6 update 23: http://kojo.googlecode.com/files/jre...ndows-i586.exe Do not double-click that program to run it. Instead, go to Start, Run, and enter this command: jre-6u23-windows-i586.exe /s You will be running it by invoking it using the /s (silent install) command-line option. This is basically the only way to get it to install itself on a win-98 system. You might have to add the appropriate path to that line so you don't get a "file not found" error. After it installs itself, the next step is this: Go to this folder: program files\Java\jre6\bin and rename the directory called "nextgen-plugin-folder" to something else (doesn't matter what you call it). The last step is this: Go to your control panel, (start, settings, control panel), double-click on Java, go to the Advanced tab, click on the (+) beside "Java Plug-in", and remove the check in the "Enable the next-generation Java Plug-in" box. ============================ Instructions for modifying Windows 98 for installation of Adobe Flash: If this key does not exist, then create it: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion In that key, create a new string value and call it "CurrentVersion". For it's value, make it "5.2" Navigate to this key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion Change the value for Version from "Windows 98" to "Windows NT" Change VersionNumber from "4.10.2222" to "5.20". Remember - change the VALUE of those strings - don't change their NAMES by renaming them. To change their value, right-click on them and select MODIFY. Then go to the Adobe website and download the flash installer: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ But remove the check-mark for "Yes, install McAfee Security Scan Plus" before hitting the download button. After you install Flash, it's probably a good idea to go back to the above registry settings and change them back to what they were originally. |
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How to gain access to websites that require latest Java installed
On Jan 22, 12:36*pm, 98 Guy wrote:
Robert Macy wrote: took a while to go through all those sites! The most impressive is the commercial software from Java is 15MB and the 'free' software from sourceforge is 223kB, and works! I'm not sure if you're making a functional comparison between Java and KernelEx - but just to be clear they do two very different things. But yes, java is a larger download file. I downloaded and installed kernelex, which required a unicode install?! *I know I had installed that earlier, but seems to do it again. Yes, KernelEx requires the windows 98 unicode update file from Microsoft. IE6 recognized the Java and the kernel and did open and navigate that sample website. What version of the Java JRE do you have (or should I ask - which version did you download and install?). There is a trick to installing JRE version 6 update 8 and higher on windows 98 systems. You should not be using IE6 for general web-browsing. *That browser has been doing a horrible job of rending web content for the past 4 to 5 years. I use Firefox version 2.0.0.20 on my win-98 systems. *It's much more compatible at rendering web content than IE6 is. It can be downloaded from he http://www.oldapps.com/firefox.php?o...fox=7?download KernelEx can't help you run other versions of IE (like IE7, IE8, etc) on Windows 98. *IE6 is the last version that can run on Windows 98, and I've said many times that win-98 users should have migrated or moved away from IE 5 years ago and started to use Firefox - or Opera. KernelEx allows win-98 to run recent versions of Firefox and Opera, but I've had issues with version 3.x of firefox and haven't bothered to try to resolve them since version 2.0.0.20 works good the vast majority of the time. *I have version 10 or 11 of Opera that I rarely use but I keep on hand when I encounter a website I really want to access but my version of firefox won't render properly. You should install Java and Adobe Flash *after* you 1) install kernelEx 2) install firefox and/or Opera There are some tricks to installing Java version 6 update 8 and higher. There are some tricks to installing Flash also. Next, got to figure out how to run M$ Silverlight to gain access to the GIS maps that MY tax dollars pay for, but I don't benefit from! I don't believe that anyone has gotten silverlight to run under win-98. Then again, I don't think many people have tried. ========================= Java version 6 update 23: http://kojo.googlecode.com/files/jre...ndows-i586.exe Do not double-click that program to run it. *Instead, go to Start, Run, and enter this command: jre-6u23-windows-i586.exe /s You will be running it by invoking it using the /s (silent install) command-line option. *This is basically the only way to get it to install itself on a win-98 system. *You might have to add the appropriate path to that line so you don't get a "file not found" error. *After it installs itself, the next step is this: *Go to this folder: program files\Java\jre6\bin and rename the directory called "nextgen-plugin-folder" to something else (doesn't matter what you call it). *The last step is this: *Go to your control panel, (start, settings, control panel), double-click on Java, go to the Advanced tab, click on the (+) beside "Java Plug-in", and remove the check in the "Enable the next-generation Java Plug-in" box. ============================ Instructions for modifying Windows 98 for installation of Adobe Flash: If this key does not exist, then create it: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion In that key, create a new string value and call it "CurrentVersion". For it's value, make it "5.2" Navigate to this key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion Change the value for Version from "Windows 98" to "Windows NT" Change VersionNumber from "4.10.2222" to "5.20". Remember - change the VALUE of those strings - don't change their NAMES by renaming them. *To change their value, right-click on them and select MODIFY. Then go to the Adobe website and download the flash installer: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ But remove the check-mark for "Yes, install McAfee Security Scan Plus" before hitting the download button. After you install Flash, it's probably a good idea to go back to the above registry settings and change them back to what they were originally. Thank you for the DETAILED step by steps, Those steps are NOT obvious. For normal browsing I use Opera 9.64, but somehow it doesn't even know I have Java installed. So I used IE6 to get by on these 'pesky' websites, then it's back to Opera. However, I have a new problem. octave 2.1.50 [which I NEED!] opens and immediately closes now. I suspect that the kernelex may be doing that, but don't know. I installed 1.5.11 and kernelex 4.5 ?? in that sequence. After the jubilance of being able to browse one of the websites wore off, I went back to work and !!!! window for octave opens, then closes. Any ideas? I will of course try uninstalling octave then reinstalling since that is the simplest. but arrrrgggg! |
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How to gain access to websites that require latest Java installed
Robert Macy wrote:
Thank you for the DETAILED step by steps, Those steps are NOT obvious. For normal browsing I use Opera 9.64, but somehow it doesn't even know I have Java installed. So I used IE6 to get by on these 'pesky' websites, then it's back to Opera. I think that there might be a problem with Opera and Java - at least I've never gotten java working for the version of Opera that I have (11.01). I know there used to be a few die-hard (or blow-hardt) Opera fans here - maybe they can help you get Java working. There should be a Java applet under Start - Settings - Control Panel. If you open it, and go to the Advanced tab, and expand the "Default Java for browsers" section, you might see Microsoft Internet Explorer Mozilla Family With a checkbox beside each one. Now, I've never seen "Opera" show up in that list - maybe you have it, maybe not. If you do, and if it's not checked, then put a check in the box. And by the way, is there a reason why you're so insistent to NOT try Firefox 2.0.0.20 instead of sticking to IE6? You're really putting yourself at a disadvantage by not trying it. It *does* work with Java and Flash. However, I have a new problem. octave 2.1.50 [which I NEED!] opens and immediately closes now. I suspect that the kernelex may be doing that, but don't know. I installed 1.5.11 and kernelex 4.5 ?? Any ideas? I will of course try uninstalling octave then reinstalling since that is the simplest. but arrrrgggg! Use your file explorer and find the executable file for Octave, and right-click on it and select properties. When you have KernelEx installed on a win-98 system, any time you bring up the file properties for code files (exe, dll, etc) you will see a new tab labelled "KernelEx". So find your Octave exe file, right-click and select properties, and then click the KernelEx tab. The basic option for all code files is "Use default compatibility options". To fix the problem with Octave, you can select either - Disable KernelEx extensions - use specific compaitiblity mode I would first try to disable KernelEx, and if that doesn't work, try a specific mode and select "Windows 98". This is generally what you do when you have any application program that doesn't run properly after you install KernelEx. |
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How to gain access to websites that require latest Java installed
On Jan 23, 4:05*pm, 98 Guy wrote:
Robert Macy wrote: Thank you for the DETAILED step by steps, Those steps are NOT obvious. For normal browsing I use Opera 9.64, but somehow it doesn't even know I have Java installed. *So I used IE6 to get by on these 'pesky' websites, then it's back to Opera. I think that there might be a problem with Opera and Java - at least I've never gotten java working for the version of Opera that I have (11.01). I know there used to be a few die-hard (or blow-hardt) Opera fans here - maybe they can help you get Java working. There should be a Java applet under Start - Settings - Control Panel. If you open it, and go to the Advanced tab, and expand the "Default Java for browsers" section, you might see Microsoft Internet Explorer Mozilla Family With a checkbox beside each one. *Now, I've never seen "Opera" show up in that list - maybe you have it, maybe not. *If you do, and if it's not checked, then put a check in the box. And by the way, is there a reason why you're so insistent to NOT try Firefox 2.0.0.20 instead of sticking to IE6? You're really putting yourself at a disadvantage by not trying it. *It *does* work with Java and Flash. However, I have a new problem. octave 2.1.50 [which I NEED!] opens and immediately closes now. *I suspect that the kernelex may be doing that, but don't know. *I installed 1.5.11 and kernelex 4.5 ?? Any ideas? *I will of course try uninstalling octave then reinstalling since that is the simplest. but arrrrgggg! Use your file explorer and find the executable file for Octave, and right-click on it and select properties. When you have KernelEx installed on a win-98 system, any time you bring up the file properties for code files (exe, dll, etc) you will see a new tab labelled "KernelEx". So find your Octave exe file, right-click and select properties, and then click the KernelEx tab. The basic option for all code files is "Use default compatibility options". To fix the problem with Octave, you can select either - Disable KernelEx extensions - use specific compaitiblity mode I would first try to disable KernelEx, and if that doesn't work, try a specific mode and select "Windows 98". This is generally what you do when you have any application program that doesn't run properly after you install KernelEx. guess time to use Firefox, as the 'extra' browser. I installed KernelEx, found octave wouldn't work properly, so uninstalled and reinstalled octave, thinking something was broken. After doing that I then found that right clicking/properties on all the shortcuts has a new tab, KernelEx! When I selected octave's shortcut and checked disable, indeed octave opens and operates. BUT! all the paths, and libraries aren't found now. So, does that mean SEQUENCE is important, or will octave always lose stuff now? If I go back and uninstall KernelEX and then reinstall octave and then reinstall KernelEx; it should work correctly. right? But, this brings up interesting problems, suppose for some reason I must start again: Install KernelEx Install program that NEEDS KernelEx Need to install program 'pre'kernelex and program will not operate properly if installed with KernelEx installed? what happens if KernelEx is uninstalled out form under, say the flash player? Does that cause a problem? Or, Is it that everytime I want to reinstall a Win98 version of something I need to remove EVERYTHING KernelEx needs and then remove KernelEX and then reinstall everything back in exact sequence? I guess the important question is: Do you know if installing a Win98 program the program is badly affected by having KernelEx already installed? |
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How to gain access to websites that require latest Java installed
Robert Macy wrote:
And by the way, is there a reason why you're so insistent to NOT try Firefox 2.0.0.20 instead of sticking to IE6? guess time to use Firefox, as the 'extra' browser. Why is IE6 your "first" browser? People using XP and higher have the "luxury" or ability to use more recent versions of IE (like IE8) if they like IE. People using win-9x/me don't have the ability to use more recent versions of IE - they (we) are stuck with IE6. And like I've said for several years now, IE6 is a horrible browser even when compared to the 4-year-old version of Firefox (2.0.0.20). I still want to know why you're so fixated on using IE6 as your default or main web-browser. You must surely see how poorly it renders many web pages. When I selected octave's shortcut and checked disable, indeed octave opens and operates. BUT! all the paths, and libraries aren't found now. So, does that mean SEQUENCE is important, or will octave always lose stuff now? KernelEx will -NOT- affect how or where an application program keeps it's files and settings or the ability of a program to find it's own files. If you remember the instructions I gave you in a previous post - about making a change in the registry that identifies which version of Windows you have, and for the purpose of installing Flash to set that information to make it seem that your system is running some version of NT (specifically, Windows XP). If you made those changes during the course of installing Flash, you should then set that information back to what it was - to indicate that your system is running Windows 98. If you don't, any new software you install will think you are running NT/XP and will *probably* store user and program data files in locations more consistent with NT/XP. If I go back and uninstall KernelEX and then reinstall octave and then reinstall KernelEx; it should work correctly. right? Don't un-install kernelEx. If you made the registry changes I mentioned in a previous post, then now you must un-do them. What you *SHOULD* do is un-install Octave, and then do this: Find the Octave installation file (the one you launch to start the octave installation process) and right-click on the file and select properties and change it's KernelEx setting to "disable KernelEx extensions". That way, it should install as if it's really on a win-98 system. What KernelEx *might* do - as a side effect - is to give a program the false impression that you're running XP. This can happen both during the initial installation of the program and later during normal usage of the program. Your Octave program, during installation, might think that it's running on an XP system during installation. So you might have to set the KernelEx properties of the installation file to "disable KernelEx extentions". But, this brings up interesting problems, suppose for some reason I must start again: Install KernelEx Install program that NEEDS KernelEx Need to install program 'pre'kernelex and program will not operate properly if installed with KernelEx installed? what happens if KernelEx is uninstalled out form under, say the flash player? Does that cause a problem? Once you install KernelEx, you should not un-install it. For any pre-existing programs that don't work properly after KernelEx is installed, you DON'T un-install those programs - instead you change their kernelEx settings to "disable kernelEx extensions". For any new programs you install later, if they don't install and run properly the reason could be that: (a) they are intended to be run on XP or higher and even kernelEx can't help them run on a win-98 system, or (b) they must have their installation program set to "disable kernelEx extentions", or (c) they are intended to be run on XP and higher, and KernelEx *can* make it possible for them to run on a win-98 system, but the installation process for them requires you to follow some specific instructions (eg - Java and Flash) because the normal or default installation method will not work. Or, Is it that everytime I want to reinstall a Win98 version of something I need to remove EVERYTHING KernelEx needs and then remove KernelEX and then reinstall everything back in exact sequence? No. Definately not. I guess the important question is: Do you know if installing a Win98 program the program is badly affected by having KernelEx already installed? I have quite a bit of software on my win-98 systems (Office 2000, Coreldraw, etc) and the installation of KernelEx did not affect those programs. I've been running KernelEx for about 3 years not, and have never needed to un-install it, and I have installed many new programs since installing KernelEx. |
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How to gain access to websites that require latest Java installed
On Jan 24, 9:35*am, 98 Guy wrote:
Robert Macy wrote: And by the way, is there a reason why you're so insistent to NOT try Firefox 2.0.0.20 instead of sticking to IE6? guess time to use Firefox, as the 'extra' browser. Why is IE6 your "first" browser? People using XP and higher have the "luxury" or ability to use more recent versions of IE (like IE8) if they like IE. *People using win-9x/me don't have the ability to use more recent versions of IE - they (we) are stuck with IE6. And like I've said for several years now, IE6 is a horrible browser even when compared to the 4-year-old version of Firefox (2.0.0.20). I still want to know why you're so fixated on using IE6 as your default or main web-browser. *You must surely see how poorly it renders many web pages. When I selected octave's shortcut and checked disable, indeed octave opens and operates. *BUT! all the paths, and libraries aren't found now. So, does that mean SEQUENCE is important, or will octave always lose stuff now? KernelEx will -NOT- affect how or where an application program keeps it's files and settings or the ability of a program to find it's own files. If you remember the instructions I gave you in a previous post - about making a change in the registry that identifies which version of Windows you have, and for the purpose of installing Flash to set that information to make it seem that your system is running some version of NT (specifically, Windows XP). If you made those changes during the course of installing Flash, you should then set that information back to what it was - to indicate that your system is running Windows 98. *If you don't, any new software you install will think you are running NT/XP and will *probably* store user and program data files in locations more consistent with NT/XP. If I go back and uninstall KernelEX and then reinstall octave and then reinstall KernelEx; it should work correctly. *right? Don't un-install kernelEx. If you made the registry changes I mentioned in a previous post, then now you must un-do them. What you *SHOULD* do is un-install Octave, and then do this: *Find the Octave installation file (the one you launch to start the octave installation process) and right-click on the file and select properties and change it's KernelEx setting to "disable KernelEx extensions". *That way, it should install as if it's really on a win-98 system. What KernelEx *might* do - as a side effect - is to give a program the false impression that you're running XP. *This can happen both during the initial installation of the program and later during normal usage of the program. *Your Octave program, during installation, might think that it's running on an XP system during installation. *So you might have to set the KernelEx properties of the installation file to "disable KernelEx extentions". But, this brings up interesting problems, suppose for some reason I must start again: Install KernelEx Install program that NEEDS KernelEx Need to install program 'pre'kernelex and program will not operate properly if installed with KernelEx installed? what happens if KernelEx is uninstalled out form under, say the flash player? Does that cause a problem? Once you install KernelEx, you should not un-install it. For any pre-existing programs that don't work properly after KernelEx is installed, you DON'T un-install those programs - instead you change their kernelEx settings to "disable kernelEx extensions". For any new programs you install later, if they don't install and run properly the reason could be that: (a) they are intended to be run on XP or higher and even kernelEx can't help them run on a win-98 system, or (b) they must have their installation program set to "disable kernelEx extentions", or (c) they are intended to be run on XP and higher, and KernelEx *can* make it possible for them to run on a win-98 system, but the installation process for them requires you to follow some specific instructions (eg - Java and Flash) because the normal or default installation method will not work. Or, Is it that everytime I want to reinstall a Win98 version of something I need to remove EVERYTHING KernelEx needs and then remove KernelEX and then reinstall everything back in exact sequence? No. *Definately not. I guess the important question is: Do you know if installing a Win98 program the program is badly affected by having KernelEx already installed? I have quite a bit of software on my win-98 systems (Office 2000, Coreldraw, etc) and the installation of KernelEx did not affect those programs. I've been running KernelEx for about 3 years not, and have never needed to un-install it, and I have installed many new programs since installing KernelEx. Again Opera is my MAIN browser Only fall back to IE6 when Opera fails, which is more often than I'd like. Bt, those are once in awhile websites. I 'think' I found the problems: octave did not work at all because I did not know to right click, select properties, and disable KernelEx. Next, in the rush and crush to uninstall octave and reinstall octave I then bypassed a slow section that was not quite done - containing PATH and History etc When octave installs, it says it's done when it is NOT! there are a couple of DOS screens that pop up and need to finish, too. That is why octave 'almost worked' after disabling KernelEx. Since I had not done a complete anything with kernelex. I had only installed KernelEx, by itself, nothing else [that needed it] after that; I uninstalled KernelEx. Reinstalled octave, taking my time, and checking that it completely installed, yes. It runs FINE. I now reinstalled KernelEx and am in the process of setting all 30 exe files of octave to disable KernelEX.for them.I am pretty confident everything for octave will be back to normal. Will let you know. If I use Opera to go that website to check Java version, it says zip, nada, nyet! But, IE6 at the same website says Java 1.5.11 Which means I don't know how to set up Opera yet, although I use it almost 100% of the time. One of my main gripes with Opera is that setup is NOT intuitive, but USING Opera is incredibly intuitive, which doesn't make sense. Anyway the culmination is, octave after being properly/completely installed works fine, just have to disable KernelEx. |
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How to gain access to websites that require latest Java installed
There is one minor sticking point with current Flash with KernelEx
use. In my case I could install a very high version, but can NOT use it because my CPU doesn't have the internals to use the more modern instructions required for said Flash of recent vintage. I really can't believe that Java is any different in that regard, but I hear nothing on that front at all. Especially to what versions would be the maximum for the various defective CPUs of ancient design. My MMX CPU is stuck with Flash 9 dot something and there isn't anything that can be done about it except to plug in a different computer and start using it instead. Definitely living in an information vacuum. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaming_SIMD_Extensions |
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How to gain access to websites that require latest Java installed
Lee wrote:
There is one minor sticking point with current Flash with KernelEx use. In my case I could install a very high version, but can NOT use it because my CPU doesn't have the internals to use the more modern instructions required for said Flash of recent vintage. I really can't believe that Java is any different in that regard, but I hear nothing on that front at all. Especially to what versions would be the maximum for the various defective CPUs of ancient design. My MMX CPU is stuck with Flash 9 dot something I don't want to sound too beligerant or condescending when I say this, but I have no sympathy for anyone running win-98 on anything less than an 800+ mhz P3, and by rights there is no excuse to NOT be running win-98 on even a low-end P4 system. For several years now, you could practically go to any garbage dump or municipal waste electronics drop-off depot and walk away with the guts or chasis of a P4 machine made in 2004 or 2005 and for about $50 add a new hard drive and install win-98 on it. I'm seeing refurbished IBM desktop machines with 512 mb ram, 40 gb hard drive, 2.8 ghz P4 for sale at surplus electronics stores for $100 (and they come with XP pre-installed). If you have your win-98 CD, it's just a matter of re-formatting the drive and installing win-98 on them. I really don't understand why people don't do themselves a favor and get their head out of their ass and take their hard drive out of their P2 systems, throw the systems in the garbage and pick up a used or dis-used or refurbished P4 machine. I've been building DOS/Windows-based PC's from component parts since 1987, so putting together a PC from spare parts, and installing many various versions of Windows from the boxes and boxes of Software CD's that I have is second nature to me, so maybe I'm over-estimating the computing IQ of people out there (like Lee) that are still running Win-98 on original 12-year-old hardware. |
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How to gain access to websites that require latest Java installed
On Feb 2, 6:46*am, 98 Guy wrote:
Lee wrote: There is one minor sticking point with current Flash with KernelEx use. *In my case I could install a very high version, but can NOT use it because my CPU doesn't have the internals to use the more modern instructions required for said Flash of recent vintage. I really can't believe that Java is any different in that regard, but I hear nothing on that front at all. *Especially to what versions would be the maximum for the various defective CPUs of ancient design. *My MMX CPU is stuck with Flash 9 dot something I don't want to sound too beligerant or condescending when I say this, but I have no sympathy for anyone running win-98 on anything less than an 800+ mhz P3, and by rights there is no excuse to NOT be running win-98 on even a low-end P4 system. For several years now, you could practically go to any garbage dump or municipal waste electronics drop-off depot and walk away with the guts or chasis of a P4 machine made in 2004 or 2005 and for about $50 add a new hard drive and install win-98 on it. I'm seeing refurbished IBM desktop machines with 512 mb ram, 40 gb hard drive, 2.8 ghz P4 for sale at surplus electronics stores for $100 (and they come with XP pre-installed). *If you have your win-98 CD, it's just a matter of re-formatting the drive and installing win-98 on them. I really don't understand why people don't do themselves a favor and get their head out of their ass and take their hard drive out of their P2 systems, throw the systems in the garbage and pick up a used or dis-used or refurbished P4 machine. I've been building DOS/Windows-based PC's from component parts since 1987, so putting together a PC from spare parts, and installing many various versions of Windows from the boxes and boxes of Software CD's that I have is second nature to me, so maybe I'm over-estimating the computing IQ of people out there (like Lee) that are still running Win-98 on original 12-year-old hardware. Sorry to expose your prejudices in public like this, but the rural poor really do have to live with dial up speeds and the decided lack of decent 'give away' computers such as you describe. What I got instead is a big city recycler who wants $800 for the system you describe as walking away with me from some non-exsistant dump site. They don't have drop-off depots at these rural, EPA compliant landfills, just the recycler in the big city who wants $80 for a 5.25 inch floppy drive. Right now my FireFox 2 does nothing so I suppose it's related to all the above issues as in some unannounced requirement for a 350 MHz minimum processor speed that I'll never find because the page won't load for me. Or they, thinking like you and most of america, didn't even bother to state that requirement since no-one would still be using such an old computer these days. Back of the bus is the only phrase missing. Color means nothing compared to poverty. Just how hard did you TRY to understand in the first place? It's much easier to insult anyone's intelligence than to actually use the gray matter, you certainly proved that much. Try 15 year old hardware that I built myself from JDR.com. I haven't been able to afford another one since. Seriously. All I've ever been given in the computer realm is 286s and 386s - I never did a thing with them. So even that end is quite a bit lower than you could possibly concieve of. Or you could just be one of those guys that holds the bar up way too high - they tend to have kids that kill them in their sleep, karma at work don't ya know. Nice way to go I hear, but no real help for me around here. Insults plenty, real help zip. |
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