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Only getting 16 colors on the monitor.
Luxisgod wrote:
"disneygeek" wrote: I have a Windows 98 system. The computer is a mutt. A friend helped me Now I know it was working before, I don't know what happened to lock Any ideas? thanks in advance. I am running windows ME and came up with the same problem on 4.20.09. My computer shut off suddenly, and on restart, the screen was stuck on 16 colors and 640x480 display. Also, the mouse didnt load. I had to learn to navigate by keyboard only. I was able to restart in safe mode once, but not again. I reinstalled my mouse and graphics card and now my computer seems to be working fine. Your problem was twice as bad. Good going. Although, when reinstalling the graphics card, a number of files were missing. I was able to find them in C:\cabs\Win95-98\DISPLAY\Nvidia2 and copy them to C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL. This allowed the installer to do its job. Win98SE seems not to have any such folder, but just... C:\Windows\Options\CABS, & C:\Windows\Options\OOBE. In response to another post, I did not know about the 640x480x16 option in the Advanced tab in Msconfig. I dont know if that would have worked. However, when I had tried to change the Diplay Settings, I would get a restart message identacle to the message used by Msconfig. Well, your problem was twice as bad. You did well. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
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Only getting 16 colors on the monitor.
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:11:55 -0400, "PCR" wrote:
Luxisgod wrote: "disneygeek" wrote: snip reinstalling the graphics card, a number of files were missing. I was able to find them in C:\cabs\Win95-98\DISPLAY\Nvidia2 and copy them to C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL. This allowed the installer to do its job. Win98SE seems not to have any such folder, but just... C:\Windows\Options\CABS, & C:\Windows\Options\OOBE. snip In Win ME, the /Options/Install folder should contain all the Win ME system files - in compressed form - such that a reinstall is actually possible using the contents of that folder only. doing what Luxisgod did makes the nVidia files that were unseen by the installer visible to the system installer. Unfortunately, some OEMs decided that users shouldn't have access to system file backups in this way, and deleted the folder (possibly in a mistaken attempt to increase available disk space on low-spec drives?) thus meaning that workarounds like this have to be used.It's also quite possible that some 'tweaking' tool has been used on the system to 'regain lost disk space' - and it's deleted this rather useful folder - or that the OEM moved the folder (some moved it to a 'C:\Win98' folder, rather misleadingly) without chaning the pointers to it in the registry! In a clean, new, ME install the folder contains 52 files, with a total size of 153MB (160,613,945 bytes) HTH -- Noel Paton www.crashfixpc.co.uk Nil Carborundum Illegitemi |
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Only getting 16 colors on the monitor.
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On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:11:55 -0400, "PCR" wrote: Luxisgod wrote: "disneygeek" wrote: snip reinstalling the graphics card, a number of files were missing. I was able to find them in C:\cabs\Win95-98\DISPLAY\Nvidia2 and copy them to C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL. This allowed the installer to do its job. Win98SE seems not to have any such folder, but just... C:\Windows\Options\CABS, & C:\Windows\Options\OOBE. [] Those aren't part of a standard '98 install; the CABS one (I don't recognise the OOBE one) is generally where people recommend copying the contents of the \WIN98 folder from the CD, if you're going to do an install by copying it from the CD to the HD then installing from there. (I've never extracted a satisfactory explanation from anyone as to _why_ that particular directory - \Windows\Options\CABS - is used, but it is.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously outdated thoughts on PCs. ** Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. |
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Only getting 16 colors on the monitor.
Noel Paton wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:11:55 -0400, "PCR" wrote: Luxisgod wrote: "disneygeek" wrote: snip reinstalling the graphics card, a number of files were missing. I was able to find them in C:\cabs\Win95-98\DISPLAY\Nvidia2 and copy them to C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL. This allowed the installer to do its job. Win98SE seems not to have any such folder, but just... C:\Windows\Options\CABS, & C:\Windows\Options\OOBE. snip In Win ME, the /Options/Install folder should contain all the Win ME system files - in compressed form - such that a reinstall is actually possible using the contents of that folder only. doing what Luxisgod did makes the nVidia files that were unseen by the installer visible to the system installer. Unfortunately, some OEMs decided that users shouldn't have access to system file backups in this way, and deleted the folder (possibly in a mistaken attempt to increase available disk space on low-spec drives?) thus meaning that workarounds like this have to be used.It's also quite possible that some 'tweaking' tool has been used on the system to 'regain lost disk space' - and it's deleted this rather useful folder - or that the OEM moved the folder (some moved it to a 'C:\Win98' folder, rather misleadingly) without chaning the pointers to it in the registry! In a clean, new, ME install the folder contains 52 files, with a total size of 153MB (160,613,945 bytes) OK. Thanks for the primer on WinME. Sounds like there was a way to compensate for that particular shortcoming. Here is my Win98SE Options\ folder, which I have moved to E:... E:\OPTIONS ....snip... Total files listed: 1,057 file(s) 236,287,224 bytes 122 dir(s) 7,276.62 MB free It seems bigger than your WinME version! HTH -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
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Only getting 16 colors on the monitor.
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[] On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:11:55 -0400, "PCR" wrote: Luxisgod wrote: "disneygeek" wrote: snip reinstalling the graphics card, a number of files were missing. I was able to find them in C:\cabs\Win95-98\DISPLAY\Nvidia2 and copy them to C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL. This allowed the installer to do its job. Win98SE seems not to have any such folder, but just... C:\Windows\Options\CABS, & C:\Windows\Options\OOBE. [] Those aren't part of a standard '98 install; the CABS one (I don't recognise the OOBE one) is generally where people recommend copying the contents of the \WIN98 folder from the CD, if you're going to do an install by copying it from the CD to the HD then installing from there. (I've never extracted a satisfactory explanation from anyone as to _why_ that particular directory - \Windows\Options\CABS - is used, but it is.) Uh-huh. I guess I knew that, but thanks. This is a Compaq Presario 7470 Desktop, & they did the install. I didn't get any Windows Installation CD; they gave me that CABS folder, instead, & two QuickRestore CDs. The C:\Windows\Options\OOBE folder is empty (I guess it was used & emptied during its install), but OOBE has a bunch of full folders at... C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\OOBE DIR ....snip... Total files listed: 254 file(s) 3,835,073 bytes 44 dir(s) 6,656.54 MB free Seems to have to do with the internet, & is mainly full of .htm messages. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
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Only getting 16 colors on the monitor.
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[] On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:11:55 -0400, "PCR" wrote: Luxisgod wrote: "disneygeek" wrote: snip reinstalling the graphics card, a number of files were missing. I was able to find them in C:\cabs\Win95-98\DISPLAY\Nvidia2 and copy them to C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL. This allowed the installer to do its job. Win98SE seems not to have any such folder, but just... C:\Windows\Options\CABS, & C:\Windows\Options\OOBE. [] Those aren't part of a standard '98 install; the CABS one (I don't recognise the OOBE one) is generally where people recommend copying the contents of the \WIN98 folder from the CD, if you're going to do an install by copying it from the CD to the HD then installing from there. (I've never extracted a satisfactory explanation from anyone as to _why_ that particular directory - \Windows\Options\CABS - is used, but it is.) Oh, I meant to add, having moved C:\Windows\Options to E:\ -- & even having changed all Registry mentionings to E:\Options -- STILL some Windows Updates deposited stuff in the original location... C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABSdir /a Directory of C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS HLINK DLL 68,096 11-16-04 1:32p HLINK.DLL HH EXE 10,752 04-13-05 5:06p hh.exe HHCTRL OCX 519,168 04-14-05 12:44p hhctrl.ocx HHSETUP DLL 38,912 04-14-05 12:44p hhsetup.dll ITIRCL DLL 143,872 04-14-05 12:44p itircl.dll ITSS DLL 128,000 04-14-05 12:44p itss.dll T2EMBED DLL 163,600 11-24-05 4:54p t2embed.dll FDISK EXE 64,460 05-18-00 8:35a FDISK.EXE KB918547 EXE 8,256 04-24-06 2:24a KB918547.EXE Q918547 DLL 4,288 04-24-06 2:24a Q918547.dll 10 file(s) 1,149,404 bytes Therefore, MS must have instructed Compaq & others to use that folder to keep things standardized. Other stuff may have also been depostited there that I moved to E:\ a while ago-- & soon I will move these over too! These files will be chosen by SFC (& possibly even by EXTRACT, when /a [process all cabinets] is used) to retrieve a file from the .cabs. First, the parent folder is searched; only afterwards, the .cab files. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
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Only getting 16 colors on the monitor.
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:41:25 -0400, "PCR" wrote:
Noel Paton wrote: On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:11:55 -0400, "PCR" wrote: Luxisgod wrote: "disneygeek" wrote: snip reinstalling the graphics card, a number of files were missing. I was able to find them in C:\cabs\Win95-98\DISPLAY\Nvidia2 and copy them to C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL. This allowed the installer to do its job. Win98SE seems not to have any such folder, but just... C:\Windows\Options\CABS, & C:\Windows\Options\OOBE. snip In Win ME, the /Options/Install folder should contain all the Win ME system files - in compressed form - such that a reinstall is actually possible using the contents of that folder only. doing what Luxisgod did makes the nVidia files that were unseen by the installer visible to the system installer. Unfortunately, some OEMs decided that users shouldn't have access to system file backups in this way, and deleted the folder (possibly in a mistaken attempt to increase available disk space on low-spec drives?) thus meaning that workarounds like this have to be used.It's also quite possible that some 'tweaking' tool has been used on the system to 'regain lost disk space' - and it's deleted this rather useful folder - or that the OEM moved the folder (some moved it to a 'C:\Win98' folder, rather misleadingly) without chaning the pointers to it in the registry! In a clean, new, ME install the folder contains 52 files, with a total size of 153MB (160,613,945 bytes) OK. Thanks for the primer on WinME. Sounds like there was a way to compensate for that particular shortcoming. Here is my Win98SE Options\ folder, which I have moved to E:... E:\OPTIONS ...snip... Total files listed: 1,057 file(s) 236,287,224 bytes 122 dir(s) 7,276.62 MB free It seems bigger than your WinME version! reason is that caching of updated files takes place. I don't have a Win 98 VPC handy, but suspect that in 98 the CAB files are extracted rather than stored cabbed? any subfolders? - none in ME. In a quick test I took my new clean VPC of ME, and installed all the critical updates (except the two 'solo' updates - ie6SP1 and the SR update). 16 files are added to the /install folder prior to the reboot Note that ME also stores updated files elsewhere - in the C:\Windows\OPTIONS\CABS folder, the same 16 files now exist. adding IE6 results in (after disallowing newer file replacement caused by out-of-sync updating) no changes in the Install folder, or in the CABS folder - it also breaks Windows Updates g going back to the start and adding SR first, then IE6SP1 results in just the SR update being cached in both CABS and INSTALL (and a slightly broken WU - need to use https to get in) adding the rest of the critical updates (now 23) gives a total of 17 new files in CABS and INSTALL adding 8 of the 'non-criticals' results in the OE patch not installing (dunno why - yet! g - possibly because it's not been set up?), and a new total of 22 files adding DX9 puts no new files in the INSTALL folder, but there's now 26 files in the CABS folder (b&gger - didn't check that previously!) The newer ones seem to be from the DX9 install, but the creation dates are 2005, rather than today. hmmm - new sec patch for DX9....add that... OK reinstall OE Patch - OK (!) no new files add WMP9...no new files add .NET 1.1.... no new files Thanks for forcing me to do this - it's something I've been meaning to do for a while!! -- Noel Paton www.crashfixpc.co.uk Nil Carborundum Illegitemi |
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Only getting 16 colors on the monitor.
Noel Paton wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:41:25 -0400, "PCR" wrote: Noel Paton wrote: On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:11:55 -0400, "PCR" wrote: Luxisgod wrote: "disneygeek" wrote: snip reinstalling the graphics card, a number of files were missing. I was able to find them in C:\cabs\Win95-98\DISPLAY\Nvidia2 and copy them to C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL. This allowed the installer to do its job. Win98SE seems not to have any such folder, but just... C:\Windows\Options\CABS, & C:\Windows\Options\OOBE. snip In Win ME, the /Options/Install folder should contain all the Win ME system files - in compressed form - such that a reinstall is actually possible using the contents of that folder only. doing what Luxisgod did makes the nVidia files that were unseen by the installer visible to the system installer. Unfortunately, some OEMs decided that users shouldn't have access to system file backups in this way, and deleted the folder (possibly in a mistaken attempt to increase available disk space on low-spec drives?) thus meaning that workarounds like this have to be used.It's also quite possible that some 'tweaking' tool has been used on the system to 'regain lost disk space' - and it's deleted this rather useful folder - or that the OEM moved the folder (some moved it to a 'C:\Win98' folder, rather misleadingly) without chaning the pointers to it in the registry! In a clean, new, ME install the folder contains 52 files, with a total size of 153MB (160,613,945 bytes) OK. Thanks for the primer on WinME. Sounds like there was a way to compensate for that particular shortcoming. Here is my Win98SE Options\ folder, which I have moved to E:... E:\OPTIONS ...snip... Total files listed: 1,057 file(s) 236,287,224 bytes 122 dir(s) 7,276.62 MB free It seems bigger than your WinME version! reason is that caching of updated files takes place. I don't have a Win 98 VPC handy, but suspect that in 98 the CAB files are extracted rather than stored cabbed? any subfolders? - none in ME. Windows installation files are in .cabs in Win98SE too. I've got 80 ..cabs (including weird, unreadable ones like _sys1.cab & _user1.cab) & 215 loose files in my E:\Options\Cabs folder. That is where I have moved them from C:\Windows\Options\Cabs. After that, Windows Update continued to deposit loose files in the original folder (despite I fixed all Registry mentionings!) -- which I've been moving over to E:\ -- but there are 10 still to go...!... C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABSdir /a Directory of C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS HLINK DLL 68,096 11-16-04 1:32p HLINK.DLL HH EXE 10,752 04-13-05 5:06p hh.exe HHCTRL OCX 519,168 04-14-05 12:44p hhctrl.ocx HHSETUP DLL 38,912 04-14-05 12:44p hhsetup.dll ITIRCL DLL 143,872 04-14-05 12:44p itircl.dll ITSS DLL 128,000 04-14-05 12:44p itss.dll T2EMBED DLL 163,600 11-24-05 4:54p t2embed.dll FDISK EXE 64,460 05-18-00 8:35a FDISK.EXE KB918547 EXE 8,256 04-24-06 2:24a KB918547.EXE Q918547 DLL 4,288 04-24-06 2:24a Q918547.dll 10 file(s) 1,149,404 bytes Can it be something else is putting files there too in addition to Windows Update? These files are here in addition to being present in system folders, like C:\Windows\System. There are subfolders in my CABS folder, but they don't appear to contain installation files. The biggest set of subfolders is in E:\Options\Cabs\Tour, which really is an installed application that explains Win98 improvements over Win95. (That thanatiod should see that!) In a quick test I took my new clean VPC of ME, and installed all the critical updates (except the two 'solo' updates - ie6SP1 and the SR update). 16 files are added to the /install folder prior to the reboot Now I'm thinking your Install folder is something different from a .cabs folder. I don't seem to have any folder called "Install" here in Win98SE. If any such folder was used (Compaq did the install), it's been properly deleted. I guess C:\Windows\Temp & possibly other locations are used for that in Win98. Note that ME also stores updated files elsewhere - in the C:\Windows\OPTIONS\CABS folder, the same 16 files now exist. That sounds like what Win98 is doing. Updated files are put there so that SFC (& I think DOS EXTRACT) will take them (should one need to run those), instead of the originals in the .cabs (if any). The folder that holds the .cabs is searched for a loose file before the .cabs are searched-- if found, the search is over! adding IE6 results in (after disallowing newer file replacement caused by out-of-sync updating) no changes in the Install folder, or in the CABS folder - it also breaks Windows Updates g IE6 appears to have its installation stuff in... C:\WINDOWS\Windows Update Setup Files ...., but it's basically just the original IE6 .cabs, ie6setup.exe & ie6setup.ini that are there. Windows Updated IE6 files, like MSHTML.dll, go into a system folder, like C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM, but not into the IE6 ..cabs folder & not into the Windows .cabs folder, either, looks like. The installation goes to... C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer ...., but that also doesn't get unpacked system IE6 files like Mshtml.dll. going back to the start and adding SR first, then IE6SP1 results in just the SR update being cached in both CABS and INSTALL I'm still trying to figure what WinME's INSTALL folder is. If Win98 had an SR update to IE, it was Compaq who installed it for me. I'm the one who took the SP1 update, though, & I confirm it appears not to put updated files in the any .cabs folder. (and a slightly broken WU - need to use https to get in) Sometimes it goes on the blink. Just try again later... http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ adding the rest of the critical updates (now 23) gives a total of 17 new files in CABS and INSTALL These are identical files? And they also end up in a system folder, like C:\Windows\System? If so-- why are you getting three??? adding 8 of the 'non-criticals' results in the OE patch not installing (dunno why - yet! g - possibly because it's not been set up?), and a new total of 22 files I think it's best to do the criticals first, anyhow. adding DX9 puts no new files in the INSTALL folder, but there's now 26 files in the CABS folder (b&gger - didn't check that previously!) The newer ones seem to be from the DX9 install, but the creation dates are 2005, rather than today. That's right. Creation Date is the date a file was last opened & written to, not the date the file was moved from one location to another. That's good! But I'm not finding many DX9 files in my CABS folder, except maybe DX70opk.exe. Name some of yours. hmmm - new sec patch for DX9....add that... OK reinstall OE Patch - OK (!) no new files add WMP9...no new files add .NET 1.1.... no new files Thanks for forcing me to do this - it's something I've been meaning to do for a while!! You are welcome. Glad you got it straightened out. Some day I swear again I must do a fresh install of my own just to see how that goes! But afterwards I'd have to restore my current install for all the extras Compaq added, like Microsoft Works, Encarta, CeQuadrat (probably runs my CD-R/W drive), & the Built in Technician-- just to name a few! I don't have separate installation CDs for those, but only two Compaq QuickRestore CDs that has everything encrypted on it! -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
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Only getting 16 colors on the monitor.
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:52:50 -0400, "PCR" wrote:
Noel Paton wrote: On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:41:25 -0400, "PCR" wrote: reason is that caching of updated files takes place. I don't have a Win 98 VPC handy, but suspect that in 98 the CAB files are extracted rather than stored cabbed? any subfolders? - none in ME. Windows installation files are in .cabs in Win98SE too. I've got 80 .cabs (including weird, unreadable ones like _sys1.cab & _user1.cab) & 215 loose files in my E:\Options\Cabs folder. That is where I have moved them from C:\Windows\Options\Cabs. After that, Windows Update continued to deposit loose files in the original folder (despite I fixed all Registry mentionings!) -- which I've been moving over to E:\ -- but there are 10 still to go...!... C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABSdir /a Directory of C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS HLINK DLL 68,096 11-16-04 1:32p HLINK.DLL HH EXE 10,752 04-13-05 5:06p hh.exe HHCTRL OCX 519,168 04-14-05 12:44p hhctrl.ocx HHSETUP DLL 38,912 04-14-05 12:44p hhsetup.dll ITIRCL DLL 143,872 04-14-05 12:44p itircl.dll ITSS DLL 128,000 04-14-05 12:44p itss.dll T2EMBED DLL 163,600 11-24-05 4:54p t2embed.dll FDISK EXE 64,460 05-18-00 8:35a FDISK.EXE KB918547 EXE 8,256 04-24-06 2:24a KB918547.EXE Q918547 DLL 4,288 04-24-06 2:24a Q918547.dll 10 file(s) 1,149,404 bytes Can it be something else is putting files there too in addition to Windows Update? These files are here in addition to being present in system folders, like C:\Windows\System. There are subfolders in my CABS folder, but they don't appear to contain installation files. The biggest set of subfolders is in E:\Options\Cabs\Tour, which really is an installed application that explains Win98 improvements over Win95. (That thanatiod should see that!) In a quick test I took my new clean VPC of ME, and installed all the critical updates (except the two 'solo' updates - ie6SP1 and the SR update). 16 files are added to the /install folder prior to the reboot Now I'm thinking your Install folder is something different from a .cabs folder. I don't seem to have any folder called "Install" here in Win98SE. If any such folder was used (Compaq did the install), it's been properly deleted. I guess C:\Windows\Temp & possibly other locations are used for that in Win98. Note that ME also stores updated files elsewhere - in the C:\Windows\OPTIONS\CABS folder, the same 16 files now exist. That sounds like what Win98 is doing. Updated files are put there so that SFC (& I think DOS EXTRACT) will take them (should one need to run those), instead of the originals in the .cabs (if any). The folder that holds the .cabs is searched for a loose file before the .cabs are searched-- if found, the search is over! adding IE6 results in (after disallowing newer file replacement caused by out-of-sync updating) no changes in the Install folder, or in the CABS folder - it also breaks Windows Updates g IE6 appears to have its installation stuff in... C:\WINDOWS\Windows Update Setup Files ..., but it's basically just the original IE6 .cabs, ie6setup.exe & ie6setup.ini that are there. Windows Updated IE6 files, like MSHTML.dll, go into a system folder, like C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM, but not into the IE6 .cabs folder & not into the Windows .cabs folder, either, looks like. The installation goes to... C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer ..., but that also doesn't get unpacked system IE6 files like Mshtml.dll. going back to the start and adding SR first, then IE6SP1 results in just the SR update being cached in both CABS and INSTALL I'm still trying to figure what WinME's INSTALL folder is. If Win98 had an SR update to IE, it was Compaq who installed it for me. I'm the one who took the SP1 update, though, & I confirm it appears not to put updated files in the any .cabs folder. (and a slightly broken WU - need to use https to get in) Sometimes it goes on the blink. Just try again later... http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ adding the rest of the critical updates (now 23) gives a total of 17 new files in CABS and INSTALL These are identical files? And they also end up in a system folder, like C:\Windows\System? If so-- why are you getting three??? adding 8 of the 'non-criticals' results in the OE patch not installing (dunno why - yet! g - possibly because it's not been set up?), and a new total of 22 files I think it's best to do the criticals first, anyhow. adding DX9 puts no new files in the INSTALL folder, but there's now 26 files in the CABS folder (b&gger - didn't check that previously!) The newer ones seem to be from the DX9 install, but the creation dates are 2005, rather than today. That's right. Creation Date is the date a file was last opened & written to, not the date the file was moved from one location to another. That's good! But I'm not finding many DX9 files in my CABS folder, except maybe DX70opk.exe. Name some of yours. hmmm - new sec patch for DX9....add that... OK reinstall OE Patch - OK (!) no new files add WMP9...no new files add .NET 1.1.... no new files Thanks for forcing me to do this - it's something I've been meaning to do for a while!! You are welcome. Glad you got it straightened out. Some day I swear again I must do a fresh install of my own just to see how that goes! But afterwards I'd have to restore my current install for all the extras Compaq added, like Microsoft Works, Encarta, CeQuadrat (probably runs my CD-R/W drive), & the Built in Technician-- just to name a few! I don't have separate installation CDs for those, but only two Compaq QuickRestore CDs that has everything encrypted on it! This is turning into another one of our famous 'longest post in the world' threads! The files you have are pretty much the same as mine if you allow for the differences in OS - Volume in drive C is WIN ME Volume Serial Number is 1C6C-19EA Directory of C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS File Name Size Allocated Modified Accessed Attrib IFSMGR VXD 185,910 188,416 19/09/00 14:10 28/04/09 A IFSMGR.VXD VSERVER VXD 112,896 114,688 25/09/00 18:34 28/04/09 A VSERVER.VXD MOVIEMK EXE 774,219 778,240 12/01/01 15:18 29/04/09 R A MovieMk.exe SMGR DLL 225,552 229,376 23/02/01 13:45 28/04/09 A SMGR.DLL SSDPAPI DLL 38,672 40,960 28/09/01 16:52 28/04/09 SSDPAPI.DLL SSDPSRV EXE 56,592 57,344 28/09/01 16:53 28/04/09 SSDPSRV.EXE UPNP DLL 128,272 131,072 28/09/01 16:53 28/04/09 UPNP.DLL HHCTRLUI DLL 88,064 90,112 20/05/02 11:09 28/04/09 A HHCTRLUI.DLL DZIP32 DLL 130,320 131,072 18/06/02 16:33 28/04/09 A DZIP32.DLL DUNZIP32 DLL 98,064 98,304 18/06/02 16:33 28/04/09 A DUNZIP32.DLL XENROLL DLL 172,664 176,128 09/07/02 8:45 28/04/09 A XENROLL.DLL ZIPFLDR DLL 193,296 196,608 10/09/02 16:13 28/04/09 A ZIPFLDR.DLL CRYPT32 DLL 468,752 471,040 12/09/02 15:51 28/04/09 A CRYPT32.DLL CRYPTDLG DLL 90,384 94,208 25/09/02 12:36 28/04/09 A CRYPTDLG.DLL HELPCTR EXE 499,984 503,808 08/01/03 9:24 28/04/09 HELPCTR.EXE MSCONV97 DLL 116,288 118,784 26/06/03 22:19 28/04/09 A MSCONV97.DLL HTML32 CNV 311,864 315,392 26/06/03 22:19 28/04/09 A HTML32.CNV HLINK DLL 68,096 69,632 16/11/04 13:32 28/04/09 A HLINK.DLL HH EXE 10,752 12,288 13/04/05 17:06 28/04/09 A hh.exe HHCTRL OCX 519,168 520,192 14/04/05 12:44 28/04/09 A hhctrl.ocx HHSETUP DLL 38,912 40,960 14/04/05 12:44 28/04/09 A hhsetup.dll ITIRCL DLL 143,872 147,456 14/04/05 12:44 28/04/09 A itircl.dll ITSS DLL 128,000 131,072 14/04/05 12:44 28/04/09 A itss.dll T2EMBED DLL 163,600 163,840 24/11/05 16:54 28/04/09 A t2embed.dll Q918547 DLL 4,288 8,192 24/04/06 2:24 28/04/09 R A Q918547.dll KB918547 EXE 8,256 12,288 24/04/06 2:24 28/04/09 R A KB918547.EXE .. DIR 28/04/09 9:20 28/04/09 D .. ... DIR 28/04/09 9:20 28/04/09 D ... LIST TXT 0 0 29/04/09 11:11 29/04/09 A list.txt 27 file(s) 4,776,737 bytes 2 dir(s) 4,841,472 bytes allocated Volume in drive C is WIN ME Volume Serial Number is 1C6C-19EA Directory of C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL File Name Size Allocated Modified Accessed Attrib [52 defaults files listed, then]...... IFSMGR VXD 185,910 188,416 19/09/00 14:10 29/04/09 A IFSMGR.VXD VSERVER VXD 112,896 114,688 25/09/00 18:34 28/04/09 A VSERVER.VXD MOVIEMK EXE 774,219 778,240 12/01/01 15:18 28/04/09 R A MovieMk.exe SMGR DLL 225,552 229,376 23/02/01 13:45 28/04/09 A SMGR.DLL SSDPAPI DLL 38,672 40,960 28/09/01 16:52 28/04/09 SSDPAPI.DLL SSDPSRV EXE 56,592 57,344 28/09/01 16:53 28/04/09 SSDPSRV.EXE UPNP DLL 128,272 131,072 28/09/01 16:53 28/04/09 UPNP.DLL HHCTRLUI DLL 88,064 90,112 20/05/02 11:09 28/04/09 A HHCTRLUI.DLL HH EXE 10,752 12,288 10/06/02 12:56 28/04/09 A HH.EXE HHSETUP DLL 37,888 40,960 10/06/02 12:56 28/04/09 A HHSETUP.DLL ITIRCL DLL 143,872 147,456 10/06/02 12:56 28/04/09 A ITIRCL.DLL ITSS DLL 122,368 122,880 10/06/02 12:56 28/04/09 A ITSS.DLL DZIP32 DLL 130,320 131,072 18/06/02 16:33 28/04/09 A DZIP32.DLL DUNZIP32 DLL 98,064 98,304 18/06/02 16:33 28/04/09 A DUNZIP32.DLL XENROLL DLL 172,664 176,128 09/07/02 8:45 28/04/09 A XENROLL.DLL ZIPFLDR DLL 193,296 196,608 10/09/02 16:13 28/04/09 A ZIPFLDR.DLL CRYPT32 DLL 468,752 471,040 12/09/02 15:51 28/04/09 A CRYPT32.DLL CRYPTDLG DLL 90,384 94,208 25/09/02 12:36 28/04/09 A CRYPTDLG.DLL HHCTRL OCX 516,192 520,192 16/12/02 13:10 28/04/09 A HHCTRL.OCX HELPCTR EXE 499,984 503,808 08/01/03 9:24 28/04/09 HELPCTR.EXE MSCONV97 DLL 116,288 118,784 26/06/03 22:19 28/04/09 A MSCONV97.DLL HTML32 CNV 311,864 315,392 26/06/03 22:19 29/04/09 A HTML32.CNV .. DIR 23/11/03 19:00 23/11/03 D .. ... DIR 23/11/03 19:00 23/11/03 D ... LIST TXT 0 0 29/04/09 11:04 29/04/09 A list.txt 75 file(s) 165,136,810 bytes 2 dir(s) 165,273,600 bytes allocated Interesting that the Movie Maker update(MOVIEMK EXE) is the only read-only file there, while Q918547.DLL and KB918547.EXE are both present and read-only in the CABS folder (along with the MM update) Dunno why?. As you suggest, the reason for having the files in the /options heirarchy is for access by standard extraction tools. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup has the value "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\INSTALL\\" which is the only visible entry in the registry for the \options heirarchy - the rest must be hard-coded and therefore it's probable that there are hang-overs from Win98 caused by the rushed advent of ME Yes, the IE6SP1 setup files are in their own folder - which is good for a reinstall if required - C:\WINDOWS\Windows Update Setup Files Ah - the help files that I thought had been updated by Dx9 were in fact updated by "Windows Millennium Edition Q896358 Update" "Windows Millennium Edition Q323255 Update" and "Windows Millennium Edition Q811630 Update" -- Noel Paton www.crashfixpc.co.uk Nil Carborundum Illegitemi |
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Only getting 16 colors on the monitor.
Noel Paton wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:52:50 -0400, "PCR" wrote: Noel Paton wrote: On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:41:25 -0400, "PCR" wrote: reason is that caching of updated files takes place. I don't have a Win 98 VPC handy, but suspect that in 98 the CAB files are extracted rather than stored cabbed? any subfolders? - none in ME. Windows installation files are in .cabs in Win98SE too. I've got 80 .cabs (including weird, unreadable ones like _sys1.cab & _user1.cab) & 215 loose files in my E:\Options\Cabs folder. That is where I have moved them from C:\Windows\Options\Cabs. After that, Windows Update continued to deposit loose files in the original folder (despite I fixed all Registry mentionings!) -- which I've been moving over to E:\ -- but there are 10 still to go...!... C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABSdir /a Directory of C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS HLINK DLL 68,096 11-16-04 1:32p HLINK.DLL HH EXE 10,752 04-13-05 5:06p hh.exe HHCTRL OCX 519,168 04-14-05 12:44p hhctrl.ocx HHSETUP DLL 38,912 04-14-05 12:44p hhsetup.dll ITIRCL DLL 143,872 04-14-05 12:44p itircl.dll ITSS DLL 128,000 04-14-05 12:44p itss.dll T2EMBED DLL 163,600 11-24-05 4:54p t2embed.dll FDISK EXE 64,460 05-18-00 8:35a FDISK.EXE KB918547 EXE 8,256 04-24-06 2:24a KB918547.EXE Q918547 DLL 4,288 04-24-06 2:24a Q918547.dll 10 file(s) 1,149,404 bytes Can it be something else is putting files there too in addition to Windows Update? These files are here in addition to being present in system folders, like C:\Windows\System. There are subfolders in my CABS folder, but they don't appear to contain installation files. The biggest set of subfolders is in E:\Options\Cabs\Tour, which really is an installed application that explains Win98 improvements over Win95. (That thanatiod should see that!) In a quick test I took my new clean VPC of ME, and installed all the critical updates (except the two 'solo' updates - ie6SP1 and the SR update). 16 files are added to the /install folder prior to the reboot Now I'm thinking your Install folder is something different from a .cabs folder. I don't seem to have any folder called "Install" here in Win98SE. If any such folder was used (Compaq did the install), it's been properly deleted. I guess C:\Windows\Temp & possibly other locations are used for that in Win98. Note that ME also stores updated files elsewhere - in the C:\Windows\OPTIONS\CABS folder, the same 16 files now exist. That sounds like what Win98 is doing. Updated files are put there so that SFC (& I think DOS EXTRACT) will take them (should one need to run those), instead of the originals in the .cabs (if any). The folder that holds the .cabs is searched for a loose file before the .cabs are searched-- if found, the search is over! adding IE6 results in (after disallowing newer file replacement caused by out-of-sync updating) no changes in the Install folder, or in the CABS folder - it also breaks Windows Updates g IE6 appears to have its installation stuff in... C:\WINDOWS\Windows Update Setup Files ..., but it's basically just the original IE6 .cabs, ie6setup.exe & ie6setup.ini that are there. Windows Updated IE6 files, like MSHTML.dll, go into a system folder, like C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM, but not into the IE6 .cabs folder & not into the Windows .cabs folder, either, looks like. The installation goes to... C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer ..., but that also doesn't get unpacked system IE6 files like Mshtml.dll. going back to the start and adding SR first, then IE6SP1 results in just the SR update being cached in both CABS and INSTALL I'm still trying to figure what WinME's INSTALL folder is. If Win98 had an SR update to IE, it was Compaq who installed it for me. I'm the one who took the SP1 update, though, & I confirm it appears not to put updated files in the any .cabs folder. (and a slightly broken WU - need to use https to get in) Sometimes it goes on the blink. Just try again later... http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ adding the rest of the critical updates (now 23) gives a total of 17 new files in CABS and INSTALL These are identical files? And they also end up in a system folder, like C:\Windows\System? If so-- why are you getting three??? adding 8 of the 'non-criticals' results in the OE patch not installing (dunno why - yet! g - possibly because it's not been set up?), and a new total of 22 files I think it's best to do the criticals first, anyhow. adding DX9 puts no new files in the INSTALL folder, but there's now 26 files in the CABS folder (b&gger - didn't check that previously!) The newer ones seem to be from the DX9 install, but the creation dates are 2005, rather than today. That's right. Creation Date is the date a file was last opened & written to, not the date the file was moved from one location to another. That's good! But I'm not finding many DX9 files in my CABS folder, except maybe DX70opk.exe. Name some of yours. hmmm - new sec patch for DX9....add that... OK reinstall OE Patch - OK (!) no new files add WMP9...no new files add .NET 1.1.... no new files Thanks for forcing me to do this - it's something I've been meaning to do for a while!! You are welcome. Glad you got it straightened out. Some day I swear again I must do a fresh install of my own just to see how that goes! But afterwards I'd have to restore my current install for all the extras Compaq added, like Microsoft Works, Encarta, CeQuadrat (probably runs my CD-R/W drive), & the Built in Technician-- just to name a few! I don't have separate installation CDs for those, but only two Compaq QuickRestore CDs that has everything encrypted on it! This is turning into another one of our famous 'longest post in the world' threads! Yep. Soon there will be complaints! The files you have are pretty much the same as mine if you allow for the differences in OS - Yea. These look like files I've got. But I said, I've got 216 loose files in my CABS folder & 10 more (though some at least have the same name) in my original CABS folder yet to be moved over. Of that total, 83 are an .exe or a .dll. Volume in drive C is WIN ME Volume Serial Number is 1C6C-19EA Directory of C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS File Name Size Allocated Modified Accessed Attrib IFSMGR VXD 185,910 188,416 19/09/00 14:10 28/04/09 A IFSMGR.VXD VSERVER VXD 112,896 114,688 25/09/00 18:34 28/04/09 A VSERVER.VXD MOVIEMK EXE 774,219 778,240 12/01/01 15:18 29/04/09 R A MovieMk.exe SMGR DLL 225,552 229,376 23/02/01 13:45 28/04/09 A SMGR.DLL SSDPAPI DLL 38,672 40,960 28/09/01 16:52 28/04/09 SSDPAPI.DLL SSDPSRV EXE 56,592 57,344 28/09/01 16:53 28/04/09 SSDPSRV.EXE UPNP DLL 128,272 131,072 28/09/01 16:53 28/04/09 UPNP.DLL HHCTRLUI DLL 88,064 90,112 20/05/02 11:09 28/04/09 A HHCTRLUI.DLL DZIP32 DLL 130,320 131,072 18/06/02 16:33 28/04/09 A DZIP32.DLL DUNZIP32 DLL 98,064 98,304 18/06/02 16:33 28/04/09 A DUNZIP32.DLL XENROLL DLL 172,664 176,128 09/07/02 8:45 28/04/09 A XENROLL.DLL ZIPFLDR DLL 193,296 196,608 10/09/02 16:13 28/04/09 A ZIPFLDR.DLL CRYPT32 DLL 468,752 471,040 12/09/02 15:51 28/04/09 A CRYPT32.DLL CRYPTDLG DLL 90,384 94,208 25/09/02 12:36 28/04/09 A CRYPTDLG.DLL HELPCTR EXE 499,984 503,808 08/01/03 9:24 28/04/09 HELPCTR.EXE MSCONV97 DLL 116,288 118,784 26/06/03 22:19 28/04/09 A MSCONV97.DLL HTML32 CNV 311,864 315,392 26/06/03 22:19 28/04/09 A HTML32.CNV HLINK DLL 68,096 69,632 16/11/04 13:32 28/04/09 A HLINK.DLL HH EXE 10,752 12,288 13/04/05 17:06 28/04/09 A hh.exe HHCTRL OCX 519,168 520,192 14/04/05 12:44 28/04/09 A hhctrl.ocx HHSETUP DLL 38,912 40,960 14/04/05 12:44 28/04/09 A hhsetup.dll ITIRCL DLL 143,872 147,456 14/04/05 12:44 28/04/09 A itircl.dll ITSS DLL 128,000 131,072 14/04/05 12:44 28/04/09 A itss.dll T2EMBED DLL 163,600 163,840 24/11/05 16:54 28/04/09 A t2embed.dll Q918547 DLL 4,288 8,192 24/04/06 2:24 28/04/09 R A Q918547.dll KB918547 EXE 8,256 12,288 24/04/06 2:24 28/04/09 R A KB918547.EXE . DIR 28/04/09 9:20 28/04/09 D . .. DIR 28/04/09 9:20 28/04/09 D .. LIST TXT 0 0 29/04/09 11:11 29/04/09 A list.txt 27 file(s) 4,776,737 bytes 2 dir(s) 4,841,472 bytes allocated Volume in drive C is WIN ME Volume Serial Number is 1C6C-19EA Directory of C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL File Name Size Allocated Modified Accessed Attrib [52 defaults files listed, then]...... IFSMGR VXD 185,910 188,416 19/09/00 14:10 29/04/09 A IFSMGR.VXD VSERVER VXD 112,896 114,688 25/09/00 18:34 28/04/09 A VSERVER.VXD MOVIEMK EXE 774,219 778,240 12/01/01 15:18 28/04/09 R A MovieMk.exe SMGR DLL 225,552 229,376 23/02/01 13:45 28/04/09 A SMGR.DLL SSDPAPI DLL 38,672 40,960 28/09/01 16:52 28/04/09 SSDPAPI.DLL SSDPSRV EXE 56,592 57,344 28/09/01 16:53 28/04/09 SSDPSRV.EXE UPNP DLL 128,272 131,072 28/09/01 16:53 28/04/09 UPNP.DLL HHCTRLUI DLL 88,064 90,112 20/05/02 11:09 28/04/09 A HHCTRLUI.DLL HH EXE 10,752 12,288 10/06/02 12:56 28/04/09 A HH.EXE HHSETUP DLL 37,888 40,960 10/06/02 12:56 28/04/09 A HHSETUP.DLL ITIRCL DLL 143,872 147,456 10/06/02 12:56 28/04/09 A ITIRCL.DLL ITSS DLL 122,368 122,880 10/06/02 12:56 28/04/09 A ITSS.DLL DZIP32 DLL 130,320 131,072 18/06/02 16:33 28/04/09 A DZIP32.DLL DUNZIP32 DLL 98,064 98,304 18/06/02 16:33 28/04/09 A DUNZIP32.DLL XENROLL DLL 172,664 176,128 09/07/02 8:45 28/04/09 A XENROLL.DLL ZIPFLDR DLL 193,296 196,608 10/09/02 16:13 28/04/09 A ZIPFLDR.DLL CRYPT32 DLL 468,752 471,040 12/09/02 15:51 28/04/09 A CRYPT32.DLL CRYPTDLG DLL 90,384 94,208 25/09/02 12:36 28/04/09 A CRYPTDLG.DLL HHCTRL OCX 516,192 520,192 16/12/02 13:10 28/04/09 A HHCTRL.OCX HELPCTR EXE 499,984 503,808 08/01/03 9:24 28/04/09 HELPCTR.EXE MSCONV97 DLL 116,288 118,784 26/06/03 22:19 28/04/09 A MSCONV97.DLL HTML32 CNV 311,864 315,392 26/06/03 22:19 29/04/09 A HTML32.CNV . DIR 23/11/03 19:00 23/11/03 D . .. DIR 23/11/03 19:00 23/11/03 D .. LIST TXT 0 0 29/04/09 11:04 29/04/09 A list.txt 75 file(s) 165,136,810 bytes 2 dir(s) 165,273,600 bytes allocated Interesting that the Movie Maker update(MOVIEMK EXE) is the only read-only file there, while Q918547.DLL and KB918547.EXE are both present and read-only in the CABS folder (along with the MM update) Dunno why?. I agree MS should have made every system file to be read-only. I guess not everyone got the memo! As you suggest, the reason for having the files in the /options heirarchy is for access by standard extraction tools. Yep. And I think that ability to take loose files from the folder that holds the .cab files must be hardcoded into SCF & EXTRACT-- because none of my Registry changes has affected the outcome! Getting them into the folder must be the work of an .inf, though. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup has the value "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\INSTALL\\" which is the only visible entry in the registry for the \options heirarchy - the rest must be hard-coded and therefore it's probable that there are hang-overs from Win98 caused by the rushed advent of ME I have... HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup CommandLine "/T:C:\WININST0.400 /SrcDir=E:\OPTIONS\CABS /IS /IW /IQ /ID /IV /IZ /II /NR /II /C /U:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" OLSSrcPath "E:\OPTIONS\CABS\OLS" SourcePath "E:\OPTIONS\cabs\" HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\SysDM SearchLocation "E:\OPTIONS\cabs" But those were all changed from C:\Windows\Options\Cabs. And everything else is in MRU (Most Recently Used) lists. Yes, the IE6SP1 setup files are in their own folder - which is good for a reinstall if required - C:\WINDOWS\Windows Update Setup Files Right. In fact, I've got a folder full of IE6 installation files... C:\WINDOWS\Windows Update Setup Files ....& a 2nd one full of IE5 installation files...!... C:\Windows Update Setup Files ....& C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer has both a copy of IE6Setup.exe & IE5Setup.exe! I vaguely recall I answered to keep the option to revert during the install of IE6. Ah - the help files that I thought had been updated by Dx9 were in fact updated by "Windows Millennium Edition Q896358 Update" "Windows Millennium Edition Q323255 Update" and "Windows Millennium Edition Q811630 Update" OK. I've got those too in Win98. Very similar, then. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
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