EZ Armor LE

After seeing all the glowing reports of the e-Trust AV and the ZoneAlarm
firewall, and seeing that the disk came with the Security CD, I decided to
dump the Trend Micro Internet Security that I had purchased last December (I
didn't much like its lack of configurability, and it gave some other
problems, occasionally) and try the EZ Armor LE.
There are things I like about it, but the thing I haven't been able to
overcome is CA.EXE hanging, either when exiting W98SE or sometimes, when in
OE, or exiting OE, or IE. This is on the machine of death, the VA 503+ with
the K6(2), and it never seems to take much to upset it.
Anyhow, it doesn't do it every time, just most of the time, as long as I
have used the net in some way. It doen't affact the shutdown at all if I
haven't used those programs. I think I've been fairly careful in setting
the various parameters, and only lately have departed from the defaults,
anyhow. I have found that if I'm careful with TM and back out, killing
CA.exe first, and then down the line, I don't get the BSOD, and can close
normally. But if I close in the wrong order....
Anyhow, I thought to ask if this sounded at all familiar to anyone out
there; perhaps you might spot some dumb mistake or another that I've
inadvertently made.
To add to the frustration, it's now informing me that I have only 3 days
to go on my 15 day free trial, at the end of which the firewall will go
away--and I haven't even been able to find out if I can use it reliably,
yet. I went through the FAQs on the CA support site, tried to see if some
of them would fit, but had no luck.

Thanks for any insights,
Joe

I wasn't under the impression that the version with the Security CD was a 15
day trial. Thought it was the same as the one-year trial that's offered at
the eTrust site. Just doesn't sound right. But then again, I'm also
surprised that you've had any trouble at all, at least of the type you
describe. Perhaps you should uninstall it (both AV and Firewall), then go to
the following and try the downloaded trial version.
www.my-etrust.com/microsoft

Also suggest you refer to my Clean Boot instructions for clearing the decks
before installing or uninstalling programs. Might help a bit. You might also
check with Trend-Micro to see if, like McAfee and Norton, it has a
"clean-up" tools to get rid of detritus left behind after uninstalling.

I'm tempted to say, because of the timing of the problem and the conditions
you describe, that the problem may have something to do with logging. But I
think the clean-up/clean-boot/reinstall procedure will probably give the
best results--unless your machine is simply not compatible with the software
for any number of possible reasons. It would be one in a million if this
were so, but it's not outside the realm of possibilities.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"jt3" wrote in message
...
After seeing all the glowing reports of the e-Trust AV and the
ZoneAlarm
firewall, and seeing that the disk came with the Security CD, I decided to
dump the Trend Micro Internet Security that I had purchased last December
(I
didn't much like its lack of configurability, and it gave some other
problems, occasionally) and try the EZ Armor LE.
There are things I like about it, but the thing I haven't been able
to
overcome is CA.EXE hanging, either when exiting W98SE or sometimes, when
in
OE, or exiting OE, or IE. This is on the machine of death, the VA 503+
with
the K6(2), and it never seems to take much to upset it.
Anyhow, it doesn't do it every time, just most of the time, as long as
I
have used the net in some way. It doen't affact the shutdown at all if I
haven't used those programs. I think I've been fairly careful in setting
the various parameters, and only lately have departed from the defaults,
anyhow. I have found that if I'm careful with TM and back out, killing
CA.exe first, and then down the line, I don't get the BSOD, and can close
normally. But if I close in the wrong order....
Anyhow, I thought to ask if this sounded at all familiar to anyone out
there; perhaps you might spot some dumb mistake or another that I've
inadvertently made.
To add to the frustration, it's now informing me that I have only 3
days
to go on my 15 day free trial, at the end of which the firewall will go
away--and I haven't even been able to find out if I can use it reliably,
yet. I went through the FAQs on the CA support site, tried to see if some
of them would fit, but had no luck.

Thanks for any insights,
Joe

The 15 day trial you are referring to is for the "full"
version, which when installing from that security CD you
are given a choice between the 2. From memory after the
15 day trial for the full version firewall it should
revert back to the "lite" version.

-----Original Message-----
After seeing all the glowing reports of the e-Trust
AV and the ZoneAlarm
firewall, and seeing that the disk came with the Security
CD, I decided to
dump the Trend Micro Internet Security that I had
purchased last December (I
didn't much like its lack of configurability, and it gave
some other
problems, occasionally) and try the EZ Armor LE.
There are things I like about it, but the thing I
haven't been able to
overcome is CA.EXE hanging, either when exiting W98SE or
sometimes, when in
OE, or exiting OE, or IE. This is on the machine of
death, the VA 503+ with
the K6(2), and it never seems to take much to upset it.
Anyhow, it doesn't do it every time, just most of the
time, as long as I
have used the net in some way. It doen't affact the
shutdown at all if I
haven't used those programs. I think I've been fairly
careful in setting
the various parameters, and only lately have departed
from the defaults,
anyhow. I have found that if I'm careful with TM and
back out, killing
CA.exe first, and then down the line, I don't get the
BSOD, and can close
normally. But if I close in the wrong order....
Anyhow, I thought to ask if this sounded at all
familiar to anyone out
there; perhaps you might spot some dumb mistake or
another that I've
inadvertently made.
To add to the frustration, it's now informing me that
I have only 3 days
to go on my 15 day free trial, at the end of which the
firewall will go
away--and I haven't even been able to find out if I can
use it reliably,
yet. I went through the FAQs on the CA support site,
tried to see if some
of them would fit, but had no luck.

Thanks for any insights,
Joe


.

Ah, yes. This makes sense.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

wrote in message
...
The 15 day trial you are referring to is for the "full"
version, which when installing from that security CD you
are given a choice between the 2. From memory after the
15 day trial for the full version firewall it should
revert back to the "lite" version.

-----Original Message-----
After seeing all the glowing reports of the e-Trust
AV and the ZoneAlarm
firewall, and seeing that the disk came with the Security
CD, I decided to
dump the Trend Micro Internet Security that I had
purchased last December (I
didn't much like its lack of configurability, and it gave
some other
problems, occasionally) and try the EZ Armor LE.
There are things I like about it, but the thing I
haven't been able to
overcome is CA.EXE hanging, either when exiting W98SE or
sometimes, when in
OE, or exiting OE, or IE. This is on the machine of
death, the VA 503+ with
the K6(2), and it never seems to take much to upset it.
Anyhow, it doesn't do it every time, just most of the
time, as long as I
have used the net in some way. It doen't affact the
shutdown at all if I
haven't used those programs. I think I've been fairly
careful in setting
the various parameters, and only lately have departed
from the defaults,
anyhow. I have found that if I'm careful with TM and
back out, killing
CA.exe first, and then down the line, I don't get the
BSOD, and can close
normally. But if I close in the wrong order....
Anyhow, I thought to ask if this sounded at all
familiar to anyone out
there; perhaps you might spot some dumb mistake or
another that I've
inadvertently made.
To add to the frustration, it's now informing me that
I have only 3 days
to go on my 15 day free trial, at the end of which the
firewall will go
away--and I haven't even been able to find out if I can
use it reliably,
yet. I went through the FAQs on the CA support site,
tried to see if some
of them would fit, but had no luck.

Thanks for any insights,
Joe


.

Yes that was how I remembered it also, but the dialog box didn't put it that
way (of course, it probably wouldn't, would it?). I think I was fairly
close to a clean boot when I installed it, as I first uninstalled the Trend
Micro app, and then used MSCONFIG to shutdown everything in the startup
group. The only thing in the config files is a path statement for my
editor.
I will try it again, with specific attention to your reference.
Incidentally, what I was referring to about the missing page (in the
other thread) was not that I couldn't find the page reference in your
initial post making reference to 'exception #2' but that I couldn't find any
*header* in OE corresponding to your correcting post, and only found the
correction in the included reply in the OP's reply. The reason for my
curiosity is that I have been wondering if OE was somehow missing some of
the headers, since I have had reason to suspect posts were missing before,
but had assumed that they were perhaps posted to some other NG but picked up
by the MVP anyhow. It's a matter of wonder to me how you guys keep up with
all that post let alone keep the threads straight--as you saw, I couldn't.

Thanks,
Joe
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Ah, yes. This makes sense.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

wrote in message
...
The 15 day trial you are referring to is for the "full"
version, which when installing from that security CD you
are given a choice between the 2. From memory after the
15 day trial for the full version firewall it should
revert back to the "lite" version.

-----Original Message-----
After seeing all the glowing reports of the e-Trust
AV and the ZoneAlarm
firewall, and seeing that the disk came with the Security
CD, I decided to
dump the Trend Micro Internet Security that I had
purchased last December (I
didn't much like its lack of configurability, and it gave
some other
problems, occasionally) and try the EZ Armor LE.
There are things I like about it, but the thing I
haven't been able to
overcome is CA.EXE hanging, either when exiting W98SE or
sometimes, when in
OE, or exiting OE, or IE. This is on the machine of
death, the VA 503+ with
the K6(2), and it never seems to take much to upset it.
Anyhow, it doesn't do it every time, just most of the
time, as long as I
have used the net in some way. It doen't affact the
shutdown at all if I
haven't used those programs. I think I've been fairly
careful in setting
the various parameters, and only lately have departed
from the defaults,
anyhow. I have found that if I'm careful with TM and
back out, killing
CA.exe first, and then down the line, I don't get the
BSOD, and can close
normally. But if I close in the wrong order....
Anyhow, I thought to ask if this sounded at all
familiar to anyone out
there; perhaps you might spot some dumb mistake or
another that I've
inadvertently made.
To add to the frustration, it's now informing me that
I have only 3 days
to go on my 15 day free trial, at the end of which the
firewall will go
away--and I haven't even been able to find out if I can
use it reliably,
yet. I went through the FAQs on the CA support site,
tried to see if some
of them would fit, but had no luck.

Thanks for any insights,
Joe


.

The thing that strikes me is that it's a GPF, which may simply mean that it
is trying to use a memory address that is already in use or otherwise
unusable? Did I understand you correctly when you seemed to intimate that
this machine already has plenty of problems?

As for OE... It might simply be the server belching (no, this server doesn't
just burp, it at least belches, and sometimes just plain *spews*.)

However, are you sure you're getting *all* of the posts since you last
checked? There are enough posts here that infrequent checking using OE
defaults will miss some. Why? Because default settings are to only download
the 300 most recent headers when you log into an NG. If you only check every
couple of days, you're going to miss some, because more than that are often
posted in that period of time. Look in Options, Read tab, and see if that
limit is enabled. If so, *don't* simply disable it altogether (unless you
want to download 36,000+ headers!) Instead, change the limit to 1000, then
use Message Menu, "Get next 1000 Headers" until you have what you consider a
decent and complete stash of recent messages. Then go to Edit Menu and
"Catch Up". This will mark all messages, already downloaded or not, as Read,
and prevent any but new headers from being downloaded.

Or, you can use Message Rules to set a Rule that says "Delete any message
older than 60 days" (or 30 days, whatever), then Reset the newsgroup in
Maintenance. Disable the limit in the Read tab altogether, then go to the
NG. This will give you a brand new set of headers. All you then have to do
is decide on which ones you want to mark Read. I usually do it by first
sorting on Date (with no conversation grouping.)

Note: Setting a "Delete Old" rule will work against future-dated posts, too.
Despite the wording of the rule, the actual function uses absolute DATEDIFF
calculations--it deletes any message that has a date that's *different* from
today's date by more than whatever number you select. Example: If I say
"Delete messages older than 60 days", it will also delete any that have a
timestamp more than 60 days in the future.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"jt3" wrote in message
...
Yes that was how I remembered it also, but the dialog box didn't put it
that
way (of course, it probably wouldn't, would it?). I think I was fairly
close to a clean boot when I installed it, as I first uninstalled the
Trend
Micro app, and then used MSCONFIG to shutdown everything in the startup
group. The only thing in the config files is a path statement for my
editor.
I will try it again, with specific attention to your reference.
Incidentally, what I was referring to about the missing page (in the
other thread) was not that I couldn't find the page reference in your
initial post making reference to 'exception #2' but that I couldn't find
any
*header* in OE corresponding to your correcting post, and only found the
correction in the included reply in the OP's reply. The reason for my
curiosity is that I have been wondering if OE was somehow missing some of
the headers, since I have had reason to suspect posts were missing before,
but had assumed that they were perhaps posted to some other NG but picked
up
by the MVP anyhow. It's a matter of wonder to me how you guys keep up
with
all that post let alone keep the threads straight--as you saw, I couldn't.

Thanks,
Joe
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Ah, yes. This makes sense.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

wrote in message
...
The 15 day trial you are referring to is for the "full"
version, which when installing from that security CD you
are given a choice between the 2. From memory after the
15 day trial for the full version firewall it should
revert back to the "lite" version.

-----Original Message-----
After seeing all the glowing reports of the e-Trust
AV and the ZoneAlarm
firewall, and seeing that the disk came with the Security
CD, I decided to
dump the Trend Micro Internet Security that I had
purchased last December (I
didn't much like its lack of configurability, and it gave
some other
problems, occasionally) and try the EZ Armor LE.
There are things I like about it, but the thing I
haven't been able to
overcome is CA.EXE hanging, either when exiting W98SE or
sometimes, when in
OE, or exiting OE, or IE. This is on the machine of
death, the VA 503+ with
the K6(2), and it never seems to take much to upset it.
Anyhow, it doesn't do it every time, just most of the
time, as long as I
have used the net in some way. It doen't affact the
shutdown at all if I
haven't used those programs. I think I've been fairly
careful in setting
the various parameters, and only lately have departed
from the defaults,
anyhow. I have found that if I'm careful with TM and
back out, killing
CA.exe first, and then down the line, I don't get the
BSOD, and can close
normally. But if I close in the wrong order....
Anyhow, I thought to ask if this sounded at all
familiar to anyone out
there; perhaps you might spot some dumb mistake or
another that I've
inadvertently made.
To add to the frustration, it's now informing me that
I have only 3 days
to go on my 15 day free trial, at the end of which the
firewall will go
away--and I haven't even been able to find out if I can
use it reliably,
yet. I went through the FAQs on the CA support site,
tried to see if some
of them would fit, but had no luck.

Thanks for any insights,
Joe


.

It may well be due to something such as you suggest, I just am not
certain where to look or what specific action to take, other than as you
said, to hope that there was some glitch in the installation. My trouble
with this is that it doesn't always happen, though very often. I should
elaborate and perhaps bolster your idea by noting that at least twice the
BSOD has occurred in OE, then, when a key is struck, it went on without
evident problem, say finishing an e-mail, but, spooked, I tried to shut the
machine down, closing everything as I went, only to have it hang on the
shutdown click. Once, the BSOD showed 2x before I could get out of OE, but
it shut down finally, perfectly well!
And, yes, the machine is difficult, but some of the difficulties have
been (apparently) due to other things or at least seem to have been cured by
various actions, such as changing the IDE cable from a 40- to an
80-conductor cable--but on the CD-R/RW drives on the *secondary* channel
(the Maxtor on the primary already used a UDMA cable) in order to get W98 to
reliably enumerate the CDRs. Prior to that, I'd not notice that the BIOS
didn't successfully enumerate the CDRs, it would boot, and then Explorer
would hang the first time I tried to open it up. I could watch it, and when
it would get to the point where normally checking the drive as it layed out
the tree, it would get just to the point where it would usually repaint and
show the L and M drives, and then it would hang. Sometimes it would be just
fine. Eventually, in desperation, I tried the cable switch. I had tried
switching it for another 40- before-made no difference, so go figure.
Such problems sound very much like hardware, such as power supply, I
know, but the strange part is that it only happens with certain situations.
Just as with the cable, it was always, when it happened, with the reading of
the CD-R drive, so also has it been with other things. Problems with
chipset drivers (it took me a while to figure out that one, the hint was in
fragmented English in a VIA FAQ that said-'Remember, install 4-in-1 driver
once again'--you DO have to reinstall it immediately after you successfully
install it the first time! or often if you install something else in the way
of hardware).
However, glee did me the favor of sending me a link to a review of the
board when it first came out--I think the writer said that he spent a week
full time before he finally got it up and running, though this was with W95.
His final assessment was something like the board performs well enough but
it's too much grief getting it there to truly recommend it.
Sometimes I think people get attached to things that give them constant
grief whether it's cars, computers, or kids.
Anyhow, other than what I mentioned above, all the software problems
have had other explanations, it seems, since they were eliminated--except
that I did have some trouble with the Trend Micro Internet Security that I
had installed earlier, and yes, they were somewhat similar, not nearly as
consistent as this is, but similar--hanging (no BSODs) and hanging on
shutdown but much less frequently. I isolated it in the same way as I used
on this, MSCONFIG and one disable at a time.

On the OE, I have left it at 300 headers, but I rarely check less than
once a day, often two or three times. Twice, it lined out a header entry
just as I hit the space bar to display it, saying 'this post is no longer
available on the server' or something like that--telling me that I shouldn't
wait so long, when the two posts in question were no more than a couple of
hours old--so again--go figure. I just thought someone might have the
answer, but it's hardly a big deal.

Thanks very much,
Joe.
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
The thing that strikes me is that it's a GPF, which may simply mean that
it
is trying to use a memory address that is already in use or otherwise
unusable? Did I understand you correctly when you seemed to intimate that
this machine already has plenty of problems?

As for OE... It might simply be the server belching (no, this server
doesn't
just burp, it at least belches, and sometimes just plain *spews*.)

However, are you sure you're getting *all* of the posts since you last
checked? There are enough posts here that infrequent checking using OE
defaults will miss some. Why? Because default settings are to only
download
the 300 most recent headers when you log into an NG. If you only check
every
couple of days, you're going to miss some, because more than that are
often
posted in that period of time. Look in Options, Read tab, and see if that
limit is enabled. If so, *don't* simply disable it altogether (unless you
want to download 36,000+ headers!) Instead, change the limit to 1000, then
use Message Menu, "Get next 1000 Headers" until you have what you consider
a
decent and complete stash of recent messages. Then go to Edit Menu and
"Catch Up". This will mark all messages, already downloaded or not, as
Read,
and prevent any but new headers from being downloaded.

Or, you can use Message Rules to set a Rule that says "Delete any message
older than 60 days" (or 30 days, whatever), then Reset the newsgroup in
Maintenance. Disable the limit in the Read tab altogether, then go to the
NG. This will give you a brand new set of headers. All you then have to do
is decide on which ones you want to mark Read. I usually do it by first
sorting on Date (with no conversation grouping.)

Note: Setting a "Delete Old" rule will work against future-dated posts,
too.
Despite the wording of the rule, the actual function uses absolute
DATEDIFF
calculations--it deletes any message that has a date that's *different*
from
today's date by more than whatever number you select. Example: If I say
"Delete messages older than 60 days", it will also delete any that have a
timestamp more than 60 days in the future.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"jt3" wrote in message
...
Yes that was how I remembered it also, but the dialog box didn't put it
that
way (of course, it probably wouldn't, would it?). I think I was fairly
close to a clean boot when I installed it, as I first uninstalled the
Trend
Micro app, and then used MSCONFIG to shutdown everything in the startup
group. The only thing in the config files is a path statement for my
editor.
I will try it again, with specific attention to your reference.
Incidentally, what I was referring to about the missing page (in the
other thread) was not that I couldn't find the page reference in your
initial post making reference to 'exception #2' but that I couldn't find
any
*header* in OE corresponding to your correcting post, and only found the
correction in the included reply in the OP's reply. The reason for my
curiosity is that I have been wondering if OE was somehow missing some
of
the headers, since I have had reason to suspect posts were missing
before,
but had assumed that they were perhaps posted to some other NG but
picked
up
by the MVP anyhow. It's a matter of wonder to me how you guys keep up
with
all that post let alone keep the threads straight--as you saw, I
couldn't.

Thanks,
Joe
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Ah, yes. This makes sense.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

wrote in message
...
The 15 day trial you are referring to is for the "full"
version, which when installing from that security CD you
are given a choice between the 2. From memory after the
15 day trial for the full version firewall it should
revert back to the "lite" version.

-----Original Message-----
After seeing all the glowing reports of the e-Trust
AV and the ZoneAlarm
firewall, and seeing that the disk came with the Security
CD, I decided to
dump the Trend Micro Internet Security that I had
purchased last December (I
didn't much like its lack of configurability, and it gave
some other
problems, occasionally) and try the EZ Armor LE.
There are things I like about it, but the thing I
haven't been able to
overcome is CA.EXE hanging, either when exiting W98SE or
sometimes, when in
OE, or exiting OE, or IE. This is on the machine of
death, the VA 503+ with
the K6(2), and it never seems to take much to upset it.
Anyhow, it doesn't do it every time, just most of the
time, as long as I
have used the net in some way. It doen't affact the
shutdown at all if I
haven't used those programs. I think I've been fairly
careful in setting
the various parameters, and only lately have departed
from the defaults,
anyhow. I have found that if I'm careful with TM and
back out, killing
CA.exe first, and then down the line, I don't get the
BSOD, and can close
normally. But if I close in the wrong order....
Anyhow, I thought to ask if this sounded at all
familiar to anyone out
there; perhaps you might spot some dumb mistake or
another that I've
inadvertently made.
To add to the frustration, it's now informing me that
I have only 3 days
to go on my 15 day free trial, at the end of which the
firewall will go
away--and I haven't even been able to find out if I can
use it reliably,
yet. I went through the FAQs on the CA support site,
tried to see if some
of them would fit, but had no luck.

Thanks for any insights,
Joe


.

I don't think I properly thanked you for your suggestions about e-mail
handling--but I do appreciate the tips and am currently in the process of
trying some of them out to see how they work for me. I had been checking
full threads using the expanded display, but I see your point.

Further on the home front, W98 graciously provided a hint, which led to
the KB and another hint with possible application to the point of htis
thread: on boot this AM, a blue screen informed me that I had no 'spare
stack pages' and that I should increase my value of MinSP. This was toward
the end of boot, when the startups are loading, and so I went looking in the
KB.
Only two articles came up, one not germane, and the long and short of it
is that I added 'MinSPs=4' to SYSTEM.INI. A link in the KB sent me to
Symantec, and it seems that some versions of NAV had problems that needed to
be fixed in this fashion, but that a fix for the latest version had
eliminated the problem.
The KB suggests that it is a matter of poor programming--apparently
allowing the driver stacks to overflow. I don't yet know if this is the
source of my problem, but if it is, it might be handy to know.
Will keep you posted. By the way, what is meant by the LOL everyone
puts in their posts, if not 'lots of luck' which doesn't always seem in
context?

Again, thanks, very much,
Joe
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
The thing that strikes me is that it's a GPF, which may simply mean that
it
is trying to use a memory address that is already in use or otherwise
unusable? Did I understand you correctly when you seemed to intimate that
this machine already has plenty of problems?

As for OE... It might simply be the server belching (no, this server
doesn't
just burp, it at least belches, and sometimes just plain *spews*.)

However, are you sure you're getting *all* of the posts since you last
checked? There are enough posts here that infrequent checking using OE
defaults will miss some. Why? Because default settings are to only
download
the 300 most recent headers when you log into an NG. If you only check
every
couple of days, you're going to miss some, because more than that are
often
posted in that period of time. Look in Options, Read tab, and see if that
limit is enabled. If so, *don't* simply disable it altogether (unless you
want to download 36,000+ headers!) Instead, change the limit to 1000, then
use Message Menu, "Get next 1000 Headers" until you have what you consider
a
decent and complete stash of recent messages. Then go to Edit Menu and
"Catch Up". This will mark all messages, already downloaded or not, as
Read,
and prevent any but new headers from being downloaded.

Or, you can use Message Rules to set a Rule that says "Delete any message
older than 60 days" (or 30 days, whatever), then Reset the newsgroup in
Maintenance. Disable the limit in the Read tab altogether, then go to the
NG. This will give you a brand new set of headers. All you then have to do
is decide on which ones you want to mark Read. I usually do it by first
sorting on Date (with no conversation grouping.)

Note: Setting a "Delete Old" rule will work against future-dated posts,
too.
Despite the wording of the rule, the actual function uses absolute
DATEDIFF
calculations--it deletes any message that has a date that's *different*
from
today's date by more than whatever number you select. Example: If I say
"Delete messages older than 60 days", it will also delete any that have a
timestamp more than 60 days in the future.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"jt3" wrote in message
...
Yes that was how I remembered it also, but the dialog box didn't put it
that
way (of course, it probably wouldn't, would it?). I think I was fairly
close to a clean boot when I installed it, as I first uninstalled the
Trend
Micro app, and then used MSCONFIG to shutdown everything in the startup
group. The only thing in the config files is a path statement for my
editor.
I will try it again, with specific attention to your reference.
Incidentally, what I was referring to about the missing page (in the
other thread) was not that I couldn't find the page reference in your
initial post making reference to 'exception #2' but that I couldn't find
any
*header* in OE corresponding to your correcting post, and only found the
correction in the included reply in the OP's reply. The reason for my
curiosity is that I have been wondering if OE was somehow missing some
of
the headers, since I have had reason to suspect posts were missing
before,
but had assumed that they were perhaps posted to some other NG but
picked
up
by the MVP anyhow. It's a matter of wonder to me how you guys keep up
with
all that post let alone keep the threads straight--as you saw, I
couldn't.

Thanks,
Joe
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Ah, yes. This makes sense.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

wrote in message
...
The 15 day trial you are referring to is for the "full"
version, which when installing from that security CD you
are given a choice between the 2. From memory after the
15 day trial for the full version firewall it should
revert back to the "lite" version.

-----Original Message-----
After seeing all the glowing reports of the e-Trust
AV and the ZoneAlarm
firewall, and seeing that the disk came with the Security
CD, I decided to
dump the Trend Micro Internet Security that I had
purchased last December (I
didn't much like its lack of configurability, and it gave
some other
problems, occasionally) and try the EZ Armor LE.
There are things I like about it, but the thing I
haven't been able to
overcome is CA.EXE hanging, either when exiting W98SE or
sometimes, when in
OE, or exiting OE, or IE. This is on the machine of
death, the VA 503+ with
the K6(2), and it never seems to take much to upset it.
Anyhow, it doesn't do it every time, just most of the
time, as long as I
have used the net in some way. It doen't affact the
shutdown at all if I
haven't used those programs. I think I've been fairly
careful in setting
the various parameters, and only lately have departed
from the defaults,
anyhow. I have found that if I'm careful with TM and
back out, killing
CA.exe first, and then down the line, I don't get the
BSOD, and can close
normally. But if I close in the wrong order....
Anyhow, I thought to ask if this sounded at all
familiar to anyone out
there; perhaps you might spot some dumb mistake or
another that I've
inadvertently made.
To add to the frustration, it's now informing me that
I have only 3 days
to go on my 15 day free trial, at the end of which the
firewall will go
away--and I haven't even been able to find out if I can
use it reliably,
yet. I went through the FAQs on the CA support site,
tried to see if some
of them would fit, but had no luck.

Thanks for any insights,
Joe


.

LOL = "Laughing Out Loud", s.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"jt3" wrote in message
...
I don't think I properly thanked you for your suggestions about e-mail
handling--but I do appreciate the tips and am currently in the process of
trying some of them out to see how they work for me. I had been checking
full threads using the expanded display, but I see your point.

Further on the home front, W98 graciously provided a hint, which led
to
the KB and another hint with possible application to the point of htis
thread: on boot this AM, a blue screen informed me that I had no 'spare
stack pages' and that I should increase my value of MinSP. This was
toward
the end of boot, when the startups are loading, and so I went looking in
the
KB.
Only two articles came up, one not germane, and the long and short of
it
is that I added 'MinSPs=4' to SYSTEM.INI. A link in the KB sent me to
Symantec, and it seems that some versions of NAV had problems that needed
to
be fixed in this fashion, but that a fix for the latest version had
eliminated the problem.
The KB suggests that it is a matter of poor programming--apparently
allowing the driver stacks to overflow. I don't yet know if this is the
source of my problem, but if it is, it might be handy to know.
Will keep you posted. By the way, what is meant by the LOL everyone
puts in their posts, if not 'lots of luck' which doesn't always seem in
context?

Again, thanks, very much,
Joe
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
The thing that strikes me is that it's a GPF, which may simply mean that
it
is trying to use a memory address that is already in use or otherwise
unusable? Did I understand you correctly when you seemed to intimate
that
this machine already has plenty of problems?

As for OE... It might simply be the server belching (no, this server
doesn't
just burp, it at least belches, and sometimes just plain *spews*.)

However, are you sure you're getting *all* of the posts since you last
checked? There are enough posts here that infrequent checking using OE
defaults will miss some. Why? Because default settings are to only
download
the 300 most recent headers when you log into an NG. If you only check
every
couple of days, you're going to miss some, because more than that are
often
posted in that period of time. Look in Options, Read tab, and see if
that
limit is enabled. If so, *don't* simply disable it altogether (unless
you
want to download 36,000+ headers!) Instead, change the limit to 1000,
then
use Message Menu, "Get next 1000 Headers" until you have what you
consider
a
decent and complete stash of recent messages. Then go to Edit Menu and
"Catch Up". This will mark all messages, already downloaded or not, as
Read,
and prevent any but new headers from being downloaded.

Or, you can use Message Rules to set a Rule that says "Delete any
message
older than 60 days" (or 30 days, whatever), then Reset the newsgroup in
Maintenance. Disable the limit in the Read tab altogether, then go to
the
NG. This will give you a brand new set of headers. All you then have to
do
is decide on which ones you want to mark Read. I usually do it by first
sorting on Date (with no conversation grouping.)

Note: Setting a "Delete Old" rule will work against future-dated posts,
too.
Despite the wording of the rule, the actual function uses absolute
DATEDIFF
calculations--it deletes any message that has a date that's *different*
from
today's date by more than whatever number you select. Example: If I say
"Delete messages older than 60 days", it will also delete any that have
a
timestamp more than 60 days in the future.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"jt3" wrote in message
...
Yes that was how I remembered it also, but the dialog box didn't put
it
that
way (of course, it probably wouldn't, would it?). I think I was
fairly
close to a clean boot when I installed it, as I first uninstalled the
Trend
Micro app, and then used MSCONFIG to shutdown everything in the
startup
group. The only thing in the config files is a path statement for my
editor.
I will try it again, with specific attention to your reference.
Incidentally, what I was referring to about the missing page (in
the
other thread) was not that I couldn't find the page reference in your
initial post making reference to 'exception #2' but that I couldn't
find
any
*header* in OE corresponding to your correcting post, and only found
the
correction in the included reply in the OP's reply. The reason for my
curiosity is that I have been wondering if OE was somehow missing some
of
the headers, since I have had reason to suspect posts were missing
before,
but had assumed that they were perhaps posted to some other NG but
picked
up
by the MVP anyhow. It's a matter of wonder to me how you guys keep up
with
all that post let alone keep the threads straight--as you saw, I
couldn't.

Thanks,
Joe
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Ah, yes. This makes sense.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

wrote in message
...
The 15 day trial you are referring to is for the "full"
version, which when installing from that security CD you
are given a choice between the 2. From memory after the
15 day trial for the full version firewall it should
revert back to the "lite" version.

-----Original Message-----
After seeing all the glowing reports of the e-Trust
AV and the ZoneAlarm
firewall, and seeing that the disk came with the Security
CD, I decided to
dump the Trend Micro Internet Security that I had
purchased last December (I
didn't much like its lack of configurability, and it gave
some other
problems, occasionally) and try the EZ Armor LE.
There are things I like about it, but the thing I
haven't been able to
overcome is CA.EXE hanging, either when exiting W98SE or
sometimes, when in
OE, or exiting OE, or IE. This is on the machine of
death, the VA 503+ with
the K6(2), and it never seems to take much to upset it.
Anyhow, it doesn't do it every time, just most of the
time, as long as I
have used the net in some way. It doen't affact the
shutdown at all if I
haven't used those programs. I think I've been fairly
careful in setting
the various parameters, and only lately have departed
from the defaults,
anyhow. I have found that if I'm careful with TM and
back out, killing
CA.exe first, and then down the line, I don't get the
BSOD, and can close
normally. But if I close in the wrong order....
Anyhow, I thought to ask if this sounded at all
familiar to anyone out
there; perhaps you might spot some dumb mistake or
another that I've
inadvertently made.
To add to the frustration, it's now informing me that
I have only 3 days
to go on my 15 day free trial, at the end of which the
firewall will go
away--and I haven't even been able to find out if I can
use it reliably,
yet. I went through the FAQs on the CA support site,
tried to see if some
of them would fit, but had no luck.

Thanks for any insights,
Joe


.

Thanks!
Joe
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
LOL = "Laughing Out Loud", s.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"jt3" wrote in message
...
I don't think I properly thanked you for your suggestions about
e-mail
handling--but I do appreciate the tips and am currently in the process
of
trying some of them out to see how they work for me. I had been
checking
full threads using the expanded display, but I see your point.

Further on the home front, W98 graciously provided a hint, which led
to
the KB and another hint with possible application to the point of htis
thread: on boot this AM, a blue screen informed me that I had no 'spare
stack pages' and that I should increase my value of MinSP. This was
toward
the end of boot, when the startups are loading, and so I went looking in
the
KB.
Only two articles came up, one not germane, and the long and short
of
it
is that I added 'MinSPs=4' to SYSTEM.INI. A link in the KB sent me to
Symantec, and it seems that some versions of NAV had problems that
needed
to
be fixed in this fashion, but that a fix for the latest version had
eliminated the problem.
The KB suggests that it is a matter of poor programming--apparently
allowing the driver stacks to overflow. I don't yet know if this is the
source of my problem, but if it is, it might be handy to know.
Will keep you posted. By the way, what is meant by the LOL everyone
puts in their posts, if not 'lots of luck' which doesn't always seem in
context?

Again, thanks, very much,
Joe
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
The thing that strikes me is that it's a GPF, which may simply mean
that
it
is trying to use a memory address that is already in use or otherwise
unusable? Did I understand you correctly when you seemed to intimate
that
this machine already has plenty of problems?

As for OE... It might simply be the server belching (no, this server
doesn't
just burp, it at least belches, and sometimes just plain *spews*.)

However, are you sure you're getting *all* of the posts since you last
checked? There are enough posts here that infrequent checking using OE
defaults will miss some. Why? Because default settings are to only
download
the 300 most recent headers when you log into an NG. If you only check
every
couple of days, you're going to miss some, because more than that are
often
posted in that period of time. Look in Options, Read tab, and see if
that
limit is enabled. If so, *don't* simply disable it altogether (unless
you
want to download 36,000+ headers!) Instead, change the limit to 1000,
then
use Message Menu, "Get next 1000 Headers" until you have what you
consider
a
decent and complete stash of recent messages. Then go to Edit Menu and
"Catch Up". This will mark all messages, already downloaded or not, as
Read,
and prevent any but new headers from being downloaded.

Or, you can use Message Rules to set a Rule that says "Delete any
message
older than 60 days" (or 30 days, whatever), then Reset the newsgroup
in
Maintenance. Disable the limit in the Read tab altogether, then go to
the
NG. This will give you a brand new set of headers. All you then have
to
do
is decide on which ones you want to mark Read. I usually do it by
first
sorting on Date (with no conversation grouping.)

Note: Setting a "Delete Old" rule will work against future-dated
posts,
too.
Despite the wording of the rule, the actual function uses absolute
DATEDIFF
calculations--it deletes any message that has a date that's
*different*
from
today's date by more than whatever number you select. Example: If I
say
"Delete messages older than 60 days", it will also delete any that
have
a
timestamp more than 60 days in the future.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"jt3" wrote in message
...
Yes that was how I remembered it also, but the dialog box didn't put
it
that
way (of course, it probably wouldn't, would it?). I think I was
fairly
close to a clean boot when I installed it, as I first uninstalled
the
Trend
Micro app, and then used MSCONFIG to shutdown everything in the
startup
group. The only thing in the config files is a path statement for
my
editor.
I will try it again, with specific attention to your reference.
Incidentally, what I was referring to about the missing page (in
the
other thread) was not that I couldn't find the page reference in
your
initial post making reference to 'exception #2' but that I couldn't
find
any
*header* in OE corresponding to your correcting post, and only found
the
correction in the included reply in the OP's reply. The reason for
my
curiosity is that I have been wondering if OE was somehow missing
some
of
the headers, since I have had reason to suspect posts were missing
before,
but had assumed that they were perhaps posted to some other NG but
picked
up
by the MVP anyhow. It's a matter of wonder to me how you guys keep
up
with
all that post let alone keep the threads straight--as you saw, I
couldn't.

Thanks,
Joe
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Ah, yes. This makes sense.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

wrote in message
...
The 15 day trial you are referring to is for the "full"
version, which when installing from that security CD you
are given a choice between the 2. From memory after the
15 day trial for the full version firewall it should
revert back to the "lite" version.

-----Original Message-----
After seeing all the glowing reports of the e-Trust
AV and the ZoneAlarm
firewall, and seeing that the disk came with the Security
CD, I decided to
dump the Trend Micro Internet Security that I had
purchased last December (I
didn't much like its lack of configurability, and it gave
some other
problems, occasionally) and try the EZ Armor LE.
There are things I like about it, but the thing I
haven't been able to
overcome is CA.EXE hanging, either when exiting W98SE or
sometimes, when in
OE, or exiting OE, or IE. This is on the machine of
death, the VA 503+ with
the K6(2), and it never seems to take much to upset it.
Anyhow, it doesn't do it every time, just most of the
time, as long as I
have used the net in some way. It doen't affact the
shutdown at all if I
haven't used those programs. I think I've been fairly
careful in setting
the various parameters, and only lately have departed
from the defaults,
anyhow. I have found that if I'm careful with TM and
back out, killing
CA.exe first, and then down the line, I don't get the
BSOD, and can close
normally. But if I close in the wrong order....
Anyhow, I thought to ask if this sounded at all
familiar to anyone out
there; perhaps you might spot some dumb mistake or
another that I've
inadvertently made.
To add to the frustration, it's now informing me that
I have only 3 days
to go on my 15 day free trial, at the end of which the
firewall will go
away--and I haven't even been able to find out if I can
use it reliably,
yet. I went through the FAQs on the CA support site,
tried to see if some
of them would fit, but had no luck.

Thanks for any insights,
Joe


.