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Windows Me instalation with out a valid product key
Sir,
I posted a thread a few months before, where I said that I can install Windows 98, Me with out a valid product key/Serial. and some one said (he said he's a Microsoft employer), that we have no interest in Windows 98 or Me, about this this issue. My previous thread I am talking about can be found here : http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...6-5a81c36161b3 ***************************************** I want to ask once again, if it doesn't really matters. I want to share this little trick with some E-friends (for educational purpose) through online forums, but I am not a bad-guy. I don't want to do some thing, that's not legal. so if it doesn't interest Microsoft, then please tell me if I am allowed to post the method in online forums. Thankyou -- Fahid Shehzad Mobile#(92)333-8629920 |
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Footnote:
Mike Brannigan did NOT say "we have no interest in Windows 98 or Me, about this issue." but rather that HE had no interest in Win Me or Win 98 issues since he was at that time part of the team responsible for the implementation of Windows Product Activation (WPA) in the XP operating system and he asked you to send him details of how you were installing XP without the use of a valid password or serial number. -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP Fahid wrote: Sir, I posted a thread a few months before, where I said that I can install Windows 98, Me with out a valid product key/Serial. and some one said (he said he's a Microsoft employer), that we have no interest in Windows 98 or Me, about this this issue. My previous thread I am talking about can be found here : http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...6-5a81c36161b3 ***************************************** I want to ask once again, if it doesn't really matters. I want to share this little trick with some E-friends (for educational purpose) through online forums, but I am not a bad-guy. I don't want to do some thing, that's not legal. so if it doesn't interest Microsoft, then please tell me if I am allowed to post the method in online forums. Thankyou |
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I did't knew, where to post such things, so I find MS NEWS Groups to be the
only place to do so. I am not a bad-guy or a hacker, it was just an accident that let me to try installing windows without serial for first time. If I was abad guy, I may have already share it, or maybe sell it. but nothing, I came and post, just to inform MS about the exploit. what ever I am talking about about the MS employee, can be found on the link given in my first post here. "Mike M" wrote: First this is not the place to ask such a question since this is a peer to peer support newsgroup with no Microsoft presence. Even if there were to be a Microsoft presence in this newsgroup that presence would not have the authority to make any statement on the subject other than to refer you to Secondly what you propose is illegal and you lay yourself open to prosecution by Microsoft. Personally I very much doubt that any Microsoft employee would have made the statement you attribute to him. -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP |
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So, what you think, what would you sugest me now.
do you think I can have the permission from MS to post the method in a public forum.(not ilegal) "Mike M" wrote: Footnote: Mike Brannigan did NOT say "we have no interest in Windows 98 or Me, about this issue." but rather that HE had no interest in Win Me or Win 98 issues since he was at that time part of the team responsible for the implementation of Windows Product Activation (WPA) in the XP operating system and he asked you to send him details of how you were installing XP without the use of a valid password or serial number. -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP |
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As Mike said - what you're proposing is illegal.
It is a breach of your licence agreement with Microsoft. I suggest that you post your methodology to and see what response they make to it. -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm In fond memory of one of life's Gentlemen - Alex Nichol http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Fahid" wrote in message ... So, what you think, what would you sugest me now. do you think I can have the permission from MS to post the method in a public forum.(not ilegal) "Mike M" wrote: Footnote: Mike Brannigan did NOT say "we have no interest in Windows 98 or Me, about this issue." but rather that HE had no interest in Win Me or Win 98 issues since he was at that time part of the team responsible for the implementation of Windows Product Activation (WPA) in the XP operating system and he asked you to send him details of how you were installing XP without the use of a valid password or serial number. -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP |
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I have sent an email to .
but in return I have only recieved an automatically generated email message. what am I supposed to do in this situation ? "Noel Paton" wrote: As Mike said - what you're proposing is illegal. It is a breach of your licence agreement with Microsoft. I suggest that you post your methodology to and see what response they make to it. -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm In fond memory of one of life's Gentlemen - Alex Nichol http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's |
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In ,
Noel Paton had this to say: My reply is at the bottom of your sent message: As Mike said - what you're proposing is illegal. It is a breach of your licence agreement with Microsoft. I suggest that you post your methodology to and see what response they make to it. Alright... I'll ask... If he finds a method of bypassing the key function and posts it in a public forum is this illegal? Or, alternatively, are the people who opt to use the method he gives (should it work) performing an illegal activity. Microsoft is headquartered in America AFAIK. Here, with some limits, we've a certain expectation to the rights of free speech and have a whole set of rules based on this freedom. My contest is that if he posts it then it's not illegal unless it's through some unchartered waters with DMCA. Beyond that it's no more illegal than a site which tells you how to convert a firearm into an automatic weapon. These are legal here in America though I can't speak for the rest of the world and certainly (How long have you known me now Noel?) not touting this under any political banner, it's more a matter of curiosity or debate for me at this point. I feel that if he's able to find a vulnerability in the software AND has given due notice to the owner of said software there's nothing illegal about posting his findings and his methods. I think that an analogy could be the full disclosure people who post exploits after a given amount of time. They haven't committed an illegal act nor violated any EULA in their actions from my understanding. However, the people who opt to take advantage of these exploits may very well be committing a crime. On the other hand I'd argue that it's not socially acceptable behavior to post this information in a public forum. The act that he mentioned isn't illegal from what I'm able to read in the EULA and opposite that it's certainly immoral. At least the OP had the ability to post here and ask first. That's more important than anything else that I can think of. Galen -- Signature changed for a moment of silence. Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side. |
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In ,
Fahid had this to say: My reply is at the bottom of your sent message: I have sent an email to . but in return I have only recieved an automatically generated email message. what am I supposed to do in this situation ? Wait and do nothing. That's what I'd do. See my other reply for my two cents on the whole thing. Galen -- Signature changed for a moment of silence. Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side. |
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And what am I doing ?
a few months before, (right after the discovery of that exploit) I posted at MS NEWS group about it. I wanted to share the mothod to MS, I wanted to support MS. but some how, I didn't got any responce, alternatively some one said "I am not interested in windows 98 or Me, but I am very interested if your method works for Windows XP". and after reading that message, I thought, "MicroSoft may have stoped working on windows 98 and Me, so they won't take it serious any more. they don't care bout it at all." but, main while, some of my friends who don't know the methodolgy, but they that I can do it. they asked me to open this method in public forums. and once again, I have came to MS NEWS group, so can ask "If MS won't mind if I post the method in public forum." I am still not doing anything illegal yet, and I don't want to do such things. How many time do I have to repeat that I am not a hacker/cracker/badguy or something like that. what you suppose me to do now, "let me post the method here, in an open public place." is that what you people want ? won't that be illegal ? I am seriously confused, why I posted ? what am I doing now, and what should I do next ? no one to guide me, I have not much understandings of Copyright like things. "Galen" wrote: In , Noel Paton had this to say: My reply is at the bottom of your sent message: As Mike said - what you're proposing is illegal. It is a breach of your licence agreement with Microsoft. I suggest that you post your methodology to and see what response they make to it. Alright... I'll ask... If he finds a method of bypassing the key function and posts it in a public forum is this illegal? Or, alternatively, are the people who opt to use the method he gives (should it work) performing an illegal activity. Microsoft is headquartered in America AFAIK. Here, with some limits, we've a certain expectation to the rights of free speech and have a whole set of rules based on this freedom. My contest is that if he posts it then it's not illegal unless it's through some unchartered waters with DMCA. Beyond that it's no more illegal than a site which tells you how to convert a firearm into an automatic weapon. These are legal here in America though I can't speak for the rest of the world and certainly (How long have you known me now Noel?) not touting this under any political banner, it's more a matter of curiosity or debate for me at this point. I feel that if he's able to find a vulnerability in the software AND has given due notice to the owner of said software there's nothing illegal about posting his findings and his methods. I think that an analogy could be the full disclosure people who post exploits after a given amount of time. They haven't committed an illegal act nor violated any EULA in their actions from my understanding. However, the people who opt to take advantage of these exploits may very well be committing a crime. On the other hand I'd argue that it's not socially acceptable behavior to post this information in a public forum. The act that he mentioned isn't illegal from what I'm able to read in the EULA and opposite that it's certainly immoral. At least the OP had the ability to post here and ask first. That's more important than anything else that I can think of. Galen -- Signature changed for a moment of silence. Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side. |
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