Access ext drive in DOS

I must be mistaken because I thought the user was using Fat32.

"Phil" wrote in message
...
: Incorrect and dated ????
: 1 - As far as I know NTFS is still not writable in DOS. Only one driver
: exists for it and is surely not certified. others exists that allow
READ-only
: features.
: 2- That the drive, accodring to yours reference, is accessible, means only
: that it is accessible "somehow" because USB/firewire usually are not under
: DOS. BUt they need to be FAT32 ( or FAT), otherwise even with drivers DOS
: won't be able ( nor Ghost either) to detect and write to it ( Ghost only
: detects NTFS as source, not as target for saving image files)
:
: 1 & 2 are very different aspects of DOS access to devices
: Phil
:
: "Dan" wrote:
:
: Incorrect and Dated Information according to the article:
:
: "Imagine that you want to use Paragon Drive Backup, Powerquest's Drive
Image,
: or Norton Ghost, to backup your hard disk partitions to that nice 120gb
: external USB 2.0 hard disk you just bought. You can't do it. Or if your
: wife/husband has managed to mess up her/his system so badly that it can't
: boot anymore, yet she/he wants you to have a copy of those nice digital
: pictures stored on a compactflash card plugged into the compactflash
reader?.
: No way, Jose. Not from DOS, used to be the phrase.
:
: Well, now you CAN.
:
: The minor miracle here is using a driver file called "USBASPI.SYS"
: ("Panasonic v2.06 ASPI Manager for USB mass storage"). Given the right
: parameter incantations, this 16-bit Panasonic-developed DOS driver will
let
: your system boot good-old DOS -any flavour, maybe even Caldera's OpenDOS
and
: recognize all USB devices connected to the respective controllers. So
this
: USB device identification is also useful for debugging/troubleshooting
: purposes.
:
: However, it should be noted that this driver will only map mass storage
: devices like external hard disks, cd- roms, cd-rw, dvd-rom, zip, jaz,
ls-120,
: and flash memory to ASPI devices. Then you need an elusive "ASPI mass
storage
: driver" to map HDs and flash disks it to a drive letter in DOS. This one
goes
: by the name "di1000dd.sys", commonly referred to as the "Motto Hairu USB
: Driver". Don't ask why, it's called that, I don't know."
:
:
: "Phil" wrote in message
: ...
: : I imagine the HD is not NTFS . Otherwise no way to use correctly in
DOS.
: :
: :
: : "Dan" wrote:
: :
: : Richard, do you think this would help the user? The page warns the
user
: to
: : use the drive at their own risk and I have not tried it.
: :
: : http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215
: :
: : "Richard G. Harper" wrote in message
: : ...
: : : Unfortunately, the probable answer is, "You aren't going to be able
: to."
: : :
: : : If your computer is new enough it may offer BIOS support for USB
: devices
: : : that would allow you to be able to, but I'm guessing that it
doesn't
: from
: : : the approach you're taking here. The reason that Norton Ghost can
: access
: : it
: : : is because it has the necessary support built into the Ghost
program.
: : :
: : : Consider, if you will, a CDROM drive in DOS Mode. You cannot
access it
: at
: : : all unless you load two device drivers - one being a low-level IDE
: driver
: : : (one that came with the drive, or for most drives the generic
: OAKCDROM.SYS
: : : driver that a boot diskette contains) that allows the drive to be
seen
: by
: : : BIOS as a storage device, then a high-level driver (MSCDEX.EXE)
that
: tells
: : : DOS how to access the low-level drivers and make the data on the
drive
: : : accessible by DOS and software running under it.
: : :
: : : The drivers you've loaded from the Ghost floppy are almost surely
the
: : : low-level drivers that make the drive visible. What you're missing
are
: the
: : : high-level drivers that tell DOS how to access the drive now that
it
: can be
: : : seen. I have never heard of any such drivers. If there were any,
they
: : : would have to come from the device manufacturer. I strongly
suspect
: there
: : : are none because no USB-attached drive (thumb drive, hard drive,
etc)
: can
: : be
: : : used in DOS mode, only by Windows 98 SE or greater.
: : :
: : : This is where BIOS support available on newer computers comes in -
it
: : : includes the necessary information for BIOS to see the drive and
make
: it
: : : available as if it were an attached drive. DOS doesn't need any
: drivers
: : : when BIOS support is available because the BIOS causes the drive to
: appear
: : : as if it were an attached floppy or hard drive.
: : :
: : : --
: : : Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
: : : * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
: : : * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
: : : * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
: : : * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
: : :
: : :
: : : "anonymous" wrote in message
: : : ...
: : : Hello Brian,
: : :
: : : Many thanks for your response.
: : :
: : : To summarise my previous message:
: : : I have no problem running Norton Ghost with the USB
: : : connected external hard drive, but I'd like to be able to
: : : access the USB connected external hard drive from within
: : : normal DOS rather than from within the Ghost DOS
: : : application.
: : :
: : :
: :
: :
: :
:
:
:

Hello,

I'd like to be able to access my "Freecom Classic"
external hard drive from DOS, just in case something
might "go wrong" with Windows.

The manufacturer_ of this external hard drive states there
are no drivers provided for use with DOS, but, I noticed
when I purchased Symantec's "Norton Ghost 2003" that this
application provides drivers allowing it to be used
successfully with my external hard drive from DOS from_
within the Ghost application, which only displays Ghost
image files.

So, I experimented with copying those drivers and
their "config.sys" instructions to a "Win98 Startup
diskette". To my satisfaction, upon booting_ into DOS
using that startup floppy, my external drive started up
(ie. I can hear it start and it also has a function
light)!
Unfortunately, having achieved that, I then found I could
not find any way to access from DOS the data on the
external drive, because I could not find any valid drive
letter to enter to use for my external drive -
frustrating!

How can I successfully access the external drive from DOS?

The following are previous responses and my replies.
Unfortunately I have not yet found an answer:


- - previous responses to my question - -

Subject: Access ext drive in DOS
From: "Bill Watt"
Sent: 3/1/2005 12:16:43 AM

If it's a USB drive try he Yes, there are USB drivers
for DOS... http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215
Regards, Bill Watt Computer Help and Information
http://home.epix.net/~bwatt/
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:11:05 -0800, "anonymous"
wrote:


Subject: Access ext drive in DOS
From: "anonymous"
Sent: 3/1/2005 5:36:12 AM

Hello Bill,

Many thanks for your response. I tried the driver
suggested at the URL you mentioned.

I added the Panasonic driver to a win98SE startup floppy
and the extra lines to its config.sys and also added to
the floppy additionally required Motto Hairu USB driver.

Unfortunately it was not successfull. The following is
the message I got when I booted up from the win98se
Startup floppy with the addditional files:

"APPI Manager for USB mass-storage Version 2.06
(c) Copyright Panasonic Communications Co., Ltd. 2000-2003

==================================================
=== Connect the target device to USB port. ===
=== Press [Enter] to continue ===
==================================================
ERROR: PCI UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found"

I would add that the external drive is connected to the
PC's USB port direct and not through a USB Hub.

Any suggestions how to make it work would be appreciated.

Regards,


Subject: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
From: "Dan"
Sent: 3/1/2005 11:08:33 AM

You have to go into the Device Manager and look for any
Device Drivers that are not working. Also, make sure all
Device Drivers are showing up. If you have a Device
Driver that is not working you have to point that Device
Driver to the right area in your hard drive that has the
information. I had to do this a while back with my 98SE
system and I ended up manually going through the whole
Windows Folder until I found what I needed. I am sure
their is a quicker way to know what you need but I do not
know a quicker route. Perhaps Hugh, PCR, Gary Terhune,
Chris Quirke, Bill Starbuck or someone else can help you
more.


Subject: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
From: "anonymous"
Sent: 3/1/2005 5:43:16 PM

Many thanks Dan for your response.

All the Device Drivers appear to be present and working
when seen in Device Manager.

There is no difficulty using the Symantec "Norton Ghost"
DOS drivers use the external hard drive, but this works
within its own application and is only for using Ghost
image files.

If I add those DOS drivers from Norton Ghost together with
the additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
Startup floppy, there are no error messages - but also
unfortunately no drive letter in DOS to use, to access the
external USB connected drive.

It is only when I try adding the Panasonic driver already
mentioned in my previous message, together with the
additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
Startup floppy and try using that to boot into DOS, that I
then get the mentioned error message: "ERROR: PCI
UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found" - I've never
seen such a message in any other circumstance.

If anyone has any further ideas how I can access my USB
connected external hard drive in DOS, it would be most
appreciated.

Regards,

- - End of previous responses to my question - -

If the BIOS can see your external drive then Ghost should be able to use
it.

Five things come to mind.
First and foremost, create the Ghost boot disk using the appropriate Wizard
instead of copying files to a 98 boot disk. You need to boot to Ghost in DOS
and then access the drive.
Setup Ghost to assign drive letters in DOS.
Use MS DOS instead of PC DOS.
Create a Ghost Virtual Partition on the ext drive. Make sure you have
ghreboot there so you can get out of it.
Add Ghost switches. Of the many switches 2 are -usbm (usb master) and -usbs
(usb slave). RTFM.

If you have misplaced it you can download them from Symantec's site. This is
the one for Ghost 2002:
http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/gho..._info_man.html

If you need it for another version, have a go at it thru their support site.

Time for me to hit the sheets, if I think of anything else after I have
bright eyes and a bushy tail I'll let you know. As well if I remember
when/if I awaken, I'll scout out some info on the use of external drives and
USB for Ghost. Other than that your on your own if no one else helps seeing
that this is not a Win98 issue.

--

Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"anonymous" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I'd like to be able to access my "Freecom Classic"
external hard drive from DOS, just in case something
might "go wrong" with Windows.

The manufacturer_ of this external hard drive states there
are no drivers provided for use with DOS, but, I noticed
when I purchased Symantec's "Norton Ghost 2003" that this
application provides drivers allowing it to be used
successfully with my external hard drive from DOS from_
within the Ghost application, which only displays Ghost
image files.

So, I experimented with copying those drivers and
their "config.sys" instructions to a "Win98 Startup
diskette". To my satisfaction, upon booting_ into DOS
using that startup floppy, my external drive started up
(ie. I can hear it start and it also has a function
light)!
Unfortunately, having achieved that, I then found I could
not find any way to access from DOS the data on the
external drive, because I could not find any valid drive
letter to enter to use for my external drive -
frustrating!

How can I successfully access the external drive from DOS?

The following are previous responses and my replies.
Unfortunately I have not yet found an answer:


- - previous responses to my question - -

Subject: Access ext drive in DOS
From: "Bill Watt"
Sent: 3/1/2005 12:16:43 AM

If it's a USB drive try he Yes, there are USB drivers
for DOS... http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215
Regards, Bill Watt Computer Help and Information
http://home.epix.net/~bwatt/
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:11:05 -0800, "anonymous"
wrote:


Subject: Access ext drive in DOS
From: "anonymous"
Sent: 3/1/2005 5:36:12 AM

Hello Bill,

Many thanks for your response. I tried the driver
suggested at the URL you mentioned.

I added the Panasonic driver to a win98SE startup floppy
and the extra lines to its config.sys and also added to
the floppy additionally required Motto Hairu USB driver.

Unfortunately it was not successfull. The following is
the message I got when I booted up from the win98se
Startup floppy with the addditional files:

"APPI Manager for USB mass-storage Version 2.06
(c) Copyright Panasonic Communications Co., Ltd. 2000-2003

==================================================
=== Connect the target device to USB port. ===
=== Press [Enter] to continue ===
==================================================
ERROR: PCI UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found"

I would add that the external drive is connected to the
PC's USB port direct and not through a USB Hub.

Any suggestions how to make it work would be appreciated.

Regards,


Subject: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
From: "Dan"
Sent: 3/1/2005 11:08:33 AM

You have to go into the Device Manager and look for any
Device Drivers that are not working. Also, make sure all
Device Drivers are showing up. If you have a Device
Driver that is not working you have to point that Device
Driver to the right area in your hard drive that has the
information. I had to do this a while back with my 98SE
system and I ended up manually going through the whole
Windows Folder until I found what I needed. I am sure
their is a quicker way to know what you need but I do not
know a quicker route. Perhaps Hugh, PCR, Gary Terhune,
Chris Quirke, Bill Starbuck or someone else can help you
more.


Subject: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
From: "anonymous"
Sent: 3/1/2005 5:43:16 PM

Many thanks Dan for your response.

All the Device Drivers appear to be present and working
when seen in Device Manager.

There is no difficulty using the Symantec "Norton Ghost"
DOS drivers use the external hard drive, but this works
within its own application and is only for using Ghost
image files.

If I add those DOS drivers from Norton Ghost together with
the additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
Startup floppy, there are no error messages - but also
unfortunately no drive letter in DOS to use, to access the
external USB connected drive.

It is only when I try adding the Panasonic driver already
mentioned in my previous message, together with the
additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
Startup floppy and try using that to boot into DOS, that I
then get the mentioned error message: "ERROR: PCI
UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found" - I've never
seen such a message in any other circumstance.

If anyone has any further ideas how I can access my USB
connected external hard drive in DOS, it would be most
appreciated.

Regards,

- - End of previous responses to my question - -

Hello Brian,

Many thanks for your response.

To summarise my previous message:
I have no problem running Norton Ghost with the USB
connected external hard drive, but I'd like to be able to
access the USB connected external hard drive from within
normal DOS rather than from within the Ghost DOS
application.

Regards,

-----Original Message-----
Hello,

I'd like to be able to access my "Freecom Classic"
external hard drive from DOS, just in case something
might "go wrong" with Windows.

The manufacturer_ of this external hard drive states
there
are no drivers provided for use with DOS, but, I noticed
when I purchased Symantec's "Norton Ghost 2003" that this
application provides drivers allowing it to be used
successfully with my external hard drive from DOS from_
within the Ghost application, which only displays Ghost
image files.

So, I experimented with copying those drivers and
their "config.sys" instructions to a "Win98 Startup
diskette". To my satisfaction, upon booting_ into DOS
using that startup floppy, my external drive started up
(ie. I can hear it start and it also has a function
light)!
Unfortunately, having achieved that, I then found I could
not find any way to access from DOS the data on the
external drive, because I could not find any valid drive
letter to enter to use for my external drive -
frustrating!

How can I successfully access the external drive from DOS?

The following are previous responses and my replies.
Unfortunately I have not yet found an answer:


- - previous responses to my question - -

Subject: Access ext drive in DOS
From: "Bill Watt"
Sent: 3/1/2005 12:16:43 AM

If it's a USB drive try he Yes, there are USB drivers
for DOS... http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215
Regards, Bill Watt Computer Help and Information
http://home.epix.net/~bwatt/
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:11:05 -0800, "anonymous"
wrote:


Subject: Access ext drive in DOS
From: "anonymous"
Sent: 3/1/2005 5:36:12 AM

Hello Bill,

Many thanks for your response. I tried the driver
suggested at the URL you mentioned.

I added the Panasonic driver to a win98SE startup floppy
and the extra lines to its config.sys and also added to
the floppy additionally required Motto Hairu USB driver.

Unfortunately it was not successfull. The following is
the message I got when I booted up from the win98se
Startup floppy with the addditional files:

"APPI Manager for USB mass-storage Version 2.06
(c) Copyright Panasonic Communications Co., Ltd. 2000-2003

================================================= =
=== Connect the target device to USB port. ===
=== Press [Enter] to continue ===
================================================= =
ERROR: PCI UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found"

I would add that the external drive is connected to the
PC's USB port direct and not through a USB Hub.

Any suggestions how to make it work would be appreciated.

Regards,


Subject: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
From: "Dan"
Sent: 3/1/2005 11:08:33 AM

You have to go into the Device Manager and look for any
Device Drivers that are not working. Also, make sure all
Device Drivers are showing up. If you have a Device
Driver that is not working you have to point that Device
Driver to the right area in your hard drive that has the
information. I had to do this a while back with my 98SE
system and I ended up manually going through the whole
Windows Folder until I found what I needed. I am sure
their is a quicker way to know what you need but I do not
know a quicker route. Perhaps Hugh, PCR, Gary Terhune,
Chris Quirke, Bill Starbuck or someone else can help you
more.


Subject: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
From: "anonymous"
Sent: 3/1/2005 5:43:16 PM

Many thanks Dan for your response.

All the Device Drivers appear to be present and working
when seen in Device Manager.

There is no difficulty using the Symantec "Norton Ghost"
DOS drivers use the external hard drive, but this works
within its own application and is only for using Ghost
image files.

If I add those DOS drivers from Norton Ghost together
with
the additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
Startup floppy, there are no error messages - but also
unfortunately no drive letter in DOS to use, to access
the
external USB connected drive.

It is only when I try adding the Panasonic driver already
mentioned in my previous message, together with the
additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
Startup floppy and try using that to boot into DOS, that
I
then get the mentioned error message: "ERROR: PCI
UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found" - I've
never
seen such a message in any other circumstance.

If anyone has any further ideas how I can access my USB
connected external hard drive in DOS, it would be most
appreciated.

Regards,

- - End of previous responses to my question - -




.

Correction:

I'd like to be able to access the USB connected external
hard drive, not just from within the Ghost DOS application
but also be able to have the opportunity to access it from
normal DOS. This is so I can access all files and folders
(copied from the main drive) on the external hard drive,
in case something goes wrong with Windows.

-----Original Message-----
Hello Brian,

Many thanks for your response.

To summarise my previous message:
I have no problem running Norton Ghost with the USB
connected external hard drive, but I'd like to be able to
access the USB connected external hard drive from within
normal DOS rather than from within the Ghost DOS
application.

Regards,

-----Original Message-----
Hello,

I'd like to be able to access my "Freecom Classic"
external hard drive from DOS, just in case something
might "go wrong" with Windows.

The manufacturer_ of this external hard drive states
there
are no drivers provided for use with DOS, but, I noticed
when I purchased Symantec's "Norton Ghost 2003" that
this
application provides drivers allowing it to be used
successfully with my external hard drive from DOS from_
within the Ghost application, which only displays Ghost
image files.

So, I experimented with copying those drivers and
their "config.sys" instructions to a "Win98 Startup
diskette". To my satisfaction, upon booting_ into DOS
using that startup floppy, my external drive started up
(ie. I can hear it start and it also has a function
light)!
Unfortunately, having achieved that, I then found I
could
not find any way to access from DOS the data on the
external drive, because I could not find any valid drive
letter to enter to use for my external drive -
frustrating!

How can I successfully access the external drive from
DOS?

The following are previous responses and my replies.
Unfortunately I have not yet found an answer:


- - previous responses to my question - -

Subject: Access ext drive in DOS
From: "Bill Watt"
Sent: 3/1/2005 12:16:43 AM

If it's a USB drive try he Yes, there are USB drivers
for DOS... http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215
Regards, Bill Watt Computer Help and Information
http://home.epix.net/~bwatt/
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:11:05 -0800, "anonymous"
wrote:


Subject: Access ext drive in DOS
From: "anonymous"
Sent: 3/1/2005 5:36:12 AM

Hello Bill,

Many thanks for your response. I tried the driver
suggested at the URL you mentioned.

I added the Panasonic driver to a win98SE startup floppy
and the extra lines to its config.sys and also added to
the floppy additionally required Motto Hairu USB
driver.

Unfortunately it was not successfull. The following is
the message I got when I booted up from the win98se
Startup floppy with the addditional files:

"APPI Manager for USB mass-storage Version 2.06
(c) Copyright Panasonic Communications Co., Ltd. 2000-
2003

================================================ ==
=== Connect the target device to USB port. ===
=== Press [Enter] to continue ===
================================================ ==
ERROR: PCI UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found"

I would add that the external drive is connected to the
PC's USB port direct and not through a USB Hub.

Any suggestions how to make it work would be appreciated.

Regards,


Subject: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
From: "Dan"
Sent: 3/1/2005 11:08:33 AM

You have to go into the Device Manager and look for any
Device Drivers that are not working. Also, make sure
all
Device Drivers are showing up. If you have a Device
Driver that is not working you have to point that Device
Driver to the right area in your hard drive that has the
information. I had to do this a while back with my 98SE
system and I ended up manually going through the whole
Windows Folder until I found what I needed. I am sure
their is a quicker way to know what you need but I do
not
know a quicker route. Perhaps Hugh, PCR, Gary Terhune,
Chris Quirke, Bill Starbuck or someone else can help you
more.


Subject: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
From: "anonymous"
Sent: 3/1/2005 5:43:16 PM

Many thanks Dan for your response.

All the Device Drivers appear to be present and working
when seen in Device Manager.

There is no difficulty using the Symantec "Norton Ghost"
DOS drivers use the external hard drive, but this works
within its own application and is only for using Ghost
image files.

If I add those DOS drivers from Norton Ghost together
with
the additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
Startup floppy, there are no error messages - but also
unfortunately no drive letter in DOS to use, to access
the
external USB connected drive.

It is only when I try adding the Panasonic driver
already
mentioned in my previous message, together with the
additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
Startup floppy and try using that to boot into DOS, that
I
then get the mentioned error message: "ERROR: PCI
UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found" - I've
never
seen such a message in any other circumstance.

If anyone has any further ideas how I can access my USB
connected external hard drive in DOS, it would be most
appreciated.

Regards,

- - End of previous responses to my question - -




.

.

Unfortunately, the probable answer is, "You aren't going to be able to."

If your computer is new enough it may offer BIOS support for USB devices
that would allow you to be able to, but I'm guessing that it doesn't from
the approach you're taking here. The reason that Norton Ghost can access it
is because it has the necessary support built into the Ghost program.

Consider, if you will, a CDROM drive in DOS Mode. You cannot access it at
all unless you load two device drivers - one being a low-level IDE driver
(one that came with the drive, or for most drives the generic OAKCDROM.SYS
driver that a boot diskette contains) that allows the drive to be seen by
BIOS as a storage device, then a high-level driver (MSCDEX.EXE) that tells
DOS how to access the low-level drivers and make the data on the drive
accessible by DOS and software running under it.

The drivers you've loaded from the Ghost floppy are almost surely the
low-level drivers that make the drive visible. What you're missing are the
high-level drivers that tell DOS how to access the drive now that it can be
seen. I have never heard of any such drivers. If there were any, they
would have to come from the device manufacturer. I strongly suspect there
are none because no USB-attached drive (thumb drive, hard drive, etc) can be
used in DOS mode, only by Windows 98 SE or greater.

This is where BIOS support available on newer computers comes in - it
includes the necessary information for BIOS to see the drive and make it
available as if it were an attached drive. DOS doesn't need any drivers
when BIOS support is available because the BIOS causes the drive to appear
as if it were an attached floppy or hard drive.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"anonymous" wrote in message
...
Hello Brian,

Many thanks for your response.

To summarise my previous message:
I have no problem running Norton Ghost with the USB
connected external hard drive, but I'd like to be able to
access the USB connected external hard drive from within
normal DOS rather than from within the Ghost DOS
application.

Richard, do you think this would help the user? The page warns the user to
use the drive at their own risk and I have not tried it.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215

"Richard G. Harper" wrote in message
...
: Unfortunately, the probable answer is, "You aren't going to be able to."
:
: If your computer is new enough it may offer BIOS support for USB devices
: that would allow you to be able to, but I'm guessing that it doesn't from
: the approach you're taking here. The reason that Norton Ghost can access
it
: is because it has the necessary support built into the Ghost program.
:
: Consider, if you will, a CDROM drive in DOS Mode. You cannot access it at
: all unless you load two device drivers - one being a low-level IDE driver
: (one that came with the drive, or for most drives the generic OAKCDROM.SYS
: driver that a boot diskette contains) that allows the drive to be seen by
: BIOS as a storage device, then a high-level driver (MSCDEX.EXE) that tells
: DOS how to access the low-level drivers and make the data on the drive
: accessible by DOS and software running under it.
:
: The drivers you've loaded from the Ghost floppy are almost surely the
: low-level drivers that make the drive visible. What you're missing are the
: high-level drivers that tell DOS how to access the drive now that it can be
: seen. I have never heard of any such drivers. If there were any, they
: would have to come from the device manufacturer. I strongly suspect there
: are none because no USB-attached drive (thumb drive, hard drive, etc) can
be
: used in DOS mode, only by Windows 98 SE or greater.
:
: This is where BIOS support available on newer computers comes in - it
: includes the necessary information for BIOS to see the drive and make it
: available as if it were an attached drive. DOS doesn't need any drivers
: when BIOS support is available because the BIOS causes the drive to appear
: as if it were an attached floppy or hard drive.
:
: --
: Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
: * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
: * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
: * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
: * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
:
:
: "anonymous" wrote in message
: ...
: Hello Brian,
:
: Many thanks for your response.
:
: To summarise my previous message:
: I have no problem running Norton Ghost with the USB
: connected external hard drive, but I'd like to be able to
: access the USB connected external hard drive from within
: normal DOS rather than from within the Ghost DOS
: application.
:
:

I imagine the HD is not NTFS . Otherwise no way to use correctly in DOS.


"Dan" wrote:

Richard, do you think this would help the user? The page warns the user to
use the drive at their own risk and I have not tried it.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215

"Richard G. Harper" wrote in message
...
: Unfortunately, the probable answer is, "You aren't going to be able to."
:
: If your computer is new enough it may offer BIOS support for USB devices
: that would allow you to be able to, but I'm guessing that it doesn't from
: the approach you're taking here. The reason that Norton Ghost can access
it
: is because it has the necessary support built into the Ghost program.
:
: Consider, if you will, a CDROM drive in DOS Mode. You cannot access it at
: all unless you load two device drivers - one being a low-level IDE driver
: (one that came with the drive, or for most drives the generic OAKCDROM.SYS
: driver that a boot diskette contains) that allows the drive to be seen by
: BIOS as a storage device, then a high-level driver (MSCDEX.EXE) that tells
: DOS how to access the low-level drivers and make the data on the drive
: accessible by DOS and software running under it.
:
: The drivers you've loaded from the Ghost floppy are almost surely the
: low-level drivers that make the drive visible. What you're missing are the
: high-level drivers that tell DOS how to access the drive now that it can be
: seen. I have never heard of any such drivers. If there were any, they
: would have to come from the device manufacturer. I strongly suspect there
: are none because no USB-attached drive (thumb drive, hard drive, etc) can
be
: used in DOS mode, only by Windows 98 SE or greater.
:
: This is where BIOS support available on newer computers comes in - it
: includes the necessary information for BIOS to see the drive and make it
: available as if it were an attached drive. DOS doesn't need any drivers
: when BIOS support is available because the BIOS causes the drive to appear
: as if it were an attached floppy or hard drive.
:
: --
: Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
: * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
: * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
: * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
: * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
:
:
: "anonymous" wrote in message
: ...
: Hello Brian,
:
: Many thanks for your response.
:
: To summarise my previous message:
: I have no problem running Norton Ghost with the USB
: connected external hard drive, but I'd like to be able to
: access the USB connected external hard drive from within
: normal DOS rather than from within the Ghost DOS
: application.
:
:

Does Norton Ghost allow to browse this HD & save an image to it ?
If yes then it should be possible to do it, since Ghost functions in pure
MS-DOS or PC-DOS.
Give it a try.
If that works, copy-paste your autoexec.bat & config.sys files here & those
of teh Ghoststart diskette.

Phil

"anonymous" wrote:

Hello,

I'd like to be able to access my "Freecom Classic"
external hard drive from DOS, just in case something
might "go wrong" with Windows.

The manufacturer_ of this external hard drive states there
are no drivers provided for use with DOS, but, I noticed
when I purchased Symantec's "Norton Ghost 2003" that this
application provides drivers allowing it to be used
successfully with my external hard drive from DOS from_
within the Ghost application, which only displays Ghost
image files.

So, I experimented with copying those drivers and
their "config.sys" instructions to a "Win98 Startup
diskette". To my satisfaction, upon booting_ into DOS
using that startup floppy, my external drive started up
(ie. I can hear it start and it also has a function
light)!
Unfortunately, having achieved that, I then found I could
not find any way to access from DOS the data on the
external drive, because I could not find any valid drive
letter to enter to use for my external drive -
frustrating!

How can I successfully access the external drive from DOS?

The following are previous responses and my replies.
Unfortunately I have not yet found an answer:


- - previous responses to my question - -

Subject: Access ext drive in DOS
From: "Bill Watt"
Sent: 3/1/2005 12:16:43 AM

If it's a USB drive try he Yes, there are USB drivers
for DOS... http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215
Regards, Bill Watt Computer Help and Information
http://home.epix.net/~bwatt/
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:11:05 -0800, "anonymous"
wrote:


Subject: Access ext drive in DOS
From: "anonymous"
Sent: 3/1/2005 5:36:12 AM

Hello Bill,

Many thanks for your response. I tried the driver
suggested at the URL you mentioned.

I added the Panasonic driver to a win98SE startup floppy
and the extra lines to its config.sys and also added to
the floppy additionally required Motto Hairu USB driver.

Unfortunately it was not successfull. The following is
the message I got when I booted up from the win98se
Startup floppy with the addditional files:

"APPI Manager for USB mass-storage Version 2.06
(c) Copyright Panasonic Communications Co., Ltd. 2000-2003

==================================================
=== Connect the target device to USB port. ===
=== Press [Enter] to continue ===
==================================================
ERROR: PCI UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found"

I would add that the external drive is connected to the
PC's USB port direct and not through a USB Hub.

Any suggestions how to make it work would be appreciated.

Regards,


Subject: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
From: "Dan"
Sent: 3/1/2005 11:08:33 AM

You have to go into the Device Manager and look for any
Device Drivers that are not working. Also, make sure all
Device Drivers are showing up. If you have a Device
Driver that is not working you have to point that Device
Driver to the right area in your hard drive that has the
information. I had to do this a while back with my 98SE
system and I ended up manually going through the whole
Windows Folder until I found what I needed. I am sure
their is a quicker way to know what you need but I do not
know a quicker route. Perhaps Hugh, PCR, Gary Terhune,
Chris Quirke, Bill Starbuck or someone else can help you
more.


Subject: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
From: "anonymous"
Sent: 3/1/2005 5:43:16 PM

Many thanks Dan for your response.

All the Device Drivers appear to be present and working
when seen in Device Manager.

There is no difficulty using the Symantec "Norton Ghost"
DOS drivers use the external hard drive, but this works
within its own application and is only for using Ghost
image files.

If I add those DOS drivers from Norton Ghost together with
the additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
Startup floppy, there are no error messages - but also
unfortunately no drive letter in DOS to use, to access the
external USB connected drive.

It is only when I try adding the Panasonic driver already
mentioned in my previous message, together with the
additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
Startup floppy and try using that to boot into DOS, that I
then get the mentioned error message: "ERROR: PCI
UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found" - I've never
seen such a message in any other circumstance.

If anyone has any further ideas how I can access my USB
connected external hard drive in DOS, it would be most
appreciated.

Regards,

- - End of previous responses to my question - -

Take a look here :

http://www.stefan2000.com/darkehorse...S/Drivers/USB/

or here :

http://newdos.yginfo.net/usbdos.htm
http://www.computing.net/dos/wwwboard/forum/15416.html

Best of luck.


"anonymous" wrote:

Hello,

I'd like to be able to access my "Freecom Classic"
external hard drive from DOS, just in case something
might "go wrong" with Windows.

The manufacturer_ of this external hard drive states there
are no drivers provided for use with DOS, but, I noticed
when I purchased Symantec's "Norton Ghost 2003" that this
application provides drivers allowing it to be used
successfully with my external hard drive from DOS from_
within the Ghost application, which only displays Ghost
image files.

So, I experimented with copying those drivers and
their "config.sys" instructions to a "Win98 Startup
diskette". To my satisfaction, upon booting_ into DOS
using that startup floppy, my external drive started up
(ie. I can hear it start and it also has a function
light)!
Unfortunately, having achieved that, I then found I could
not find any way to access from DOS the data on the
external drive, because I could not find any valid drive
letter to enter to use for my external drive -
frustrating!

How can I successfully access the external drive from DOS?

The following are previous responses and my replies.
Unfortunately I have not yet found an answer:


- - previous responses to my question - -

Subject: Access ext drive in DOS
From: "Bill Watt"
Sent: 3/1/2005 12:16:43 AM

If it's a USB drive try he Yes, there are USB drivers
for DOS... http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215
Regards, Bill Watt Computer Help and Information
http://home.epix.net/~bwatt/
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:11:05 -0800, "anonymous"
wrote:


Subject: Access ext drive in DOS
From: "anonymous"
Sent: 3/1/2005 5:36:12 AM

Hello Bill,

Many thanks for your response. I tried the driver
suggested at the URL you mentioned.

I added the Panasonic driver to a win98SE startup floppy
and the extra lines to its config.sys and also added to
the floppy additionally required Motto Hairu USB driver.

Unfortunately it was not successfull. The following is
the message I got when I booted up from the win98se
Startup floppy with the addditional files:

"APPI Manager for USB mass-storage Version 2.06
(c) Copyright Panasonic Communications Co., Ltd. 2000-2003

==================================================
=== Connect the target device to USB port. ===
=== Press [Enter] to continue ===
==================================================
ERROR: PCI UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found"

I would add that the external drive is connected to the
PC's USB port direct and not through a USB Hub.

Any suggestions how to make it work would be appreciated.

Regards,


Subject: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
From: "Dan"
Sent: 3/1/2005 11:08:33 AM

You have to go into the Device Manager and look for any
Device Drivers that are not working. Also, make sure all
Device Drivers are showing up. If you have a Device
Driver that is not working you have to point that Device
Driver to the right area in your hard drive that has the
information. I had to do this a while back with my 98SE
system and I ended up manually going through the whole
Windows Folder until I found what I needed. I am sure
their is a quicker way to know what you need but I do not
know a quicker route. Perhaps Hugh, PCR, Gary Terhune,
Chris Quirke, Bill Starbuck or someone else can help you
more.


Subject: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
From: "anonymous"
Sent: 3/1/2005 5:43:16 PM

Many thanks Dan for your response.

All the Device Drivers appear to be present and working
when seen in Device Manager.

There is no difficulty using the Symantec "Norton Ghost"
DOS drivers use the external hard drive, but this works
within its own application and is only for using Ghost
image files.

If I add those DOS drivers from Norton Ghost together with
the additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
Startup floppy, there are no error messages - but also
unfortunately no drive letter in DOS to use, to access the
external USB connected drive.

It is only when I try adding the Panasonic driver already
mentioned in my previous message, together with the
additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
Startup floppy and try using that to boot into DOS, that I
then get the mentioned error message: "ERROR: PCI
UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found" - I've never
seen such a message in any other circumstance.

If anyone has any further ideas how I can access my USB
connected external hard drive in DOS, it would be most
appreciated.

Regards,

- - End of previous responses to my question - -