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Returning to Win98 or maybe 95 on old machine/ mobile broadband and W98
poachedeggs wrote in
oups.com: I have a 1999 Fujitsu with 512 mb upper limit for RAM and a 1.3 ghz CPU. I have spent time and money stretching it with a bigger hard drive, more USB ports, a graphics card and doubling the RAM from 256 mb, and also by trying many Linux distros (including XFCE versions), along with XP, W2K and even Vista Home Basic. Until about 15 months ago I did everything on a 1997 166MHz P1 with 64MB (later upgraded to 96MB) RAM. I could do everything except watch movies and convert music at reasonable speeds (it took 3-4 hours for a 5 minute wav file to become another format). It ran 95B and had a 33.6 modem. Its performance isn't atrocious, but it does of course draw windows and work with the internet not so fluidly as my Vista-cum-Windows 7 laptop and my netbook. Yes, "fluidility" is what's important, especially when writing a book. JK. I'm thinking of reverting the purpose of the machine back to why I bought it secondhand, just to write a novel on, and I use the Wordpad derivative Jarte after a year of trying OpenOffice. Sounds good to me. Jarte has a spell checker - but there are hundreds of other options and several system-wide spell checkers. You might want to try to find a copy of AmiPro, it was considered the best WP in the 3.1. days, but IMHO all you need (I use them) is NoteTabLight (http://www.notetab.com), free, can run an (AFAIK) infinite (enough, anyway) amount of document tabs at once, has some absolutely astonishing features (check them out on the site), and Spell Checker for Edit Boxes (free, http://www.quinion.com/mqa/spell.htm) - I could NOT live without it. I do NOT believe in 80MB-200MB-800GB "Office suites" used by people who don't know how to set tabs. Or you can spend $20 on the mid-version of NoteTab, with a spell checker included. I stupidly gave a Windows 98SE CD away with a laptop I sold but might buy another off eBay, though I do have a Windows 95 somewhere. I didn't see any 98 isos on 'certain sites' but would feel more comfortable with my own CD anyway unless anyone has any recommendations. Torrents and file-sharing sites. And Usenet warez groups of course. Would I _notice_ a performance improvement if running an OS from the era the machine was built, or would it still be glitchy in the same way? It would run 98SE like a dream. See my first paragraph. I have seen Windows 98 in action fairly recently, but that was on a 200mhz and a 500mhz machine with 80mb and 128mb RAM, so I've ignored my impression. Again, see my first paragraph. It's how you set up your machine. My boot-up time was 35 seconds and everything I did I did faster than my friends running XP etc. I have a 240 gb hard drive, with a 20gb one sitting in a drawer. Apparently the 240gb will be of no use to 98 or 95, Incorrect. Google. but is that simply a case of setting up a partition smaller than 80gb or whatever to get it to use Windows 95 or 98, or is it going to have to be that the 240gb hd sits in the drawer for now? My other, not immediately viable option is to buy a new motherboard, CPU and RAM and put all this in the Fujitsu's case with its psu etc, but I'm a bit wary of how that might turn out, envisioning explosions, flames and so on... No, but it would simply be a waste of money. You should just make sure your old machine is CLEAN of dust and rat**** - PERHAPS change the power supply depending on how much actual USE it has had, but I assure you more good books were written with a pen, typewriter, or an XT than with anything made after 2000. I saw an Anne Rice TV interview in the early 2000's and she was using a DOS wp, and I'd really like to know what Thomas Pynchon uses. For now, and in this post, it's the 95/98 question I'm interested in. 95B would work just fine like it did for me - so would 98SE except I would HIGHLY recommend 98SE Lite. Look up www.litepc.net. It /might/ even run faster tan 95B - or the same, anyway. Lastly, has anyone here successfully set up a mobile broadband dongle with Windows 98, maybe as a dial-up connection, or is the lack of 98 drivers a permanent scuppering of this? I'm not super-bothered, as it'd be healthy to prevent myself getting online with this machine. I'd be difficult, and in ANY case I would personally STRONGLY suggest forgetting the internet exists if you really want to write a book. Just get yourself a few nice software dictionaries, thesauri, encyclopedia (TEXT please!), some other references, etc. And remember, a book fits on a floppy. Fancy formatting and kerning and stuff like that is for LATER. NB: I have all the programs not easily found which I mentioned (like AmiPro) and even "Marcel" - a real "writers's word processor" named after someone you might have read... or not... (I read it twice... Well, the 1st volume about 7 times, but then I really went at it and even the 200 pages of the Guermantes' dinner conversation did not scare me away!) So if you need anything I can post it if you want. -- There are only two classifications of disk drives: Broken drives and those that will break later. - Chuck Armstrong |
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Returning to Win98 or maybe 95 on old machine/ mobile broadband and W98
poachedeggs wrote in
oups.com: I have a 1999 Fujitsu with 512 mb upper limit for RAM and a 1.3 ghz CPU. I have spent time and money stretching it with a bigger hard drive, more USB ports, a graphics card and doubling the RAM from 256 mb, and also by trying many Linux distros (including XFCE versions), along with XP, W2K and even Vista Home Basic. Until about 15 months ago I did everything on a 1997 166MHz P1 with 64MB (later upgraded to 96MB) RAM. I could do everything except watch movies and convert music at reasonable speeds (it took 3-4 hours for a 5 minute wav file to become another format). It ran 95B and had a 33.6 modem. Its performance isn't atrocious, but it does of course draw windows and work with the internet not so fluidly as my Vista-cum-Windows 7 laptop and my netbook. Yes, "fluidility" is what's important, especially when writing a book. JK. I'm thinking of reverting the purpose of the machine back to why I bought it secondhand, just to write a novel on, and I use the Wordpad derivative Jarte after a year of trying OpenOffice. Sounds good to me. Jarte has a spell checker - but there are hundreds of other options and several system-wide spell checkers. You might want to try to find a copy of AmiPro, it was considered the best WP in the 3.1. days, but IMHO all you need (I use them) is NoteTabLight (http://www.notetab.com), free, can run an (AFAIK) infinite (enough, anyway) amount of document tabs at once, has some absolutely astonishing features (check them out on the site), and Spell Checker for Edit Boxes (free, http://www.quinion.com/mqa/spell.htm) - I could NOT live without it. I do NOT believe in 80MB-200MB-800GB "Office suites" used by people who don't know how to set tabs. Or you can spend $20 on the mid-version of NoteTab, with a spell checker included. I stupidly gave a Windows 98SE CD away with a laptop I sold but might buy another off eBay, though I do have a Windows 95 somewhere. I didn't see any 98 isos on 'certain sites' but would feel more comfortable with my own CD anyway unless anyone has any recommendations. Torrents and file-sharing sites. And Usenet warez groups of course. Would I _notice_ a performance improvement if running an OS from the era the machine was built, or would it still be glitchy in the same way? It would run 98SE like a dream. See my first paragraph. I have seen Windows 98 in action fairly recently, but that was on a 200mhz and a 500mhz machine with 80mb and 128mb RAM, so I've ignored my impression. Again, see my first paragraph. It's how you set up your machine. My boot-up time was 35 seconds and everything I did I did faster than my friends running XP etc. I have a 240 gb hard drive, with a 20gb one sitting in a drawer. Apparently the 240gb will be of no use to 98 or 95, Incorrect. Google. but is that simply a case of setting up a partition smaller than 80gb or whatever to get it to use Windows 95 or 98, or is it going to have to be that the 240gb hd sits in the drawer for now? My other, not immediately viable option is to buy a new motherboard, CPU and RAM and put all this in the Fujitsu's case with its psu etc, but I'm a bit wary of how that might turn out, envisioning explosions, flames and so on... No, but it would simply be a waste of money. You should just make sure your old machine is CLEAN of dust and rat**** - PERHAPS change the power supply depending on how much actual USE it has had, but I assure you more good books were written with a pen, typewriter, or an XT than with anything made after 2000. I saw an Anne Rice TV interview in the early 2000's and she was using a DOS wp, and I'd really like to know what Thomas Pynchon uses. For now, and in this post, it's the 95/98 question I'm interested in. 95B would work just fine like it did for me - so would 98SE except I would HIGHLY recommend 98SE Lite. Look up www.litepc.net. It /might/ even run faster tan 95B - or the same, anyway. Lastly, has anyone here successfully set up a mobile broadband dongle with Windows 98, maybe as a dial-up connection, or is the lack of 98 drivers a permanent scuppering of this? I'm not super-bothered, as it'd be healthy to prevent myself getting online with this machine. I'd be difficult, and in ANY case I would personally STRONGLY suggest forgetting the internet exists if you really want to write a book. Just get yourself a few nice software dictionaries, thesauri, encyclopedia (TEXT please!), some other references, etc. And remember, a book fits on a floppy. Fancy formatting and kerning and stuff like that is for LATER. NB: I have all the programs not easily found which I mentioned (like AmiPro) and even "Marcel" - a real "writers's word processor" named after someone you might have read... or not... (I read it twice... Well, the 1st volume about 7 times, but then I really went at it and even the 200 pages of the Guermantes' dinner conversation did not scare me away!) So if you need anything I can post it if you want. -- There are only two classifications of disk drives: Broken drives and those that will break later. - Chuck Armstrong |
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Returning to Win98 or maybe 95 on old machine/ mobile broadbandandW98
On 12/04/2009 12:15 AM, 98 Guy wrote:
MEB wrote: The 200MHZ. would have been extremely slow for 98SE, though 98FE MIGHT have been acceptable What is your evidence or what do you base your claim on that SE has a different (more demanding) performance curve compared to FE? If you were actually interested, which we all know your not,,, you could check on the gamers sites or for some of their old performance diagnostics, if you can still find them... Then again, you COULD do your own tests, but you won't of course... Other than that, FE had a few glitches which caused a few more crashes, and SE had a bit better memory management with slightly more memory usage... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___--- |
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Returning to Win98 or maybe 95 on old machine/ mobile broadbandandW98
On 12/04/2009 12:15 AM, 98 Guy wrote: MEB wrote: The 200MHZ. would have been extremely slow for 98SE, though 98FE MIGHT have been acceptable What is your evidence or what do you base your claim on that SE has a different (more demanding) performance curve compared to FE? If you were actually interested, which we all know your not,,, you could check on the gamers sites or for some of their old performance diagnostics, if you can still find them... Then again, you COULD do your own tests, but you won't of course... Other than that, FE had a few glitches which caused a few more crashes, and SE had a bit better memory management with slightly more memory usage... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___--- |
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Returning to Win98 or maybe 95 on old machine/ mobile broadbandand W98
poachedeggs wrote:
I have a 1999 Fujitsu with 512 mb upper limit for RAM and a 1.3 ghz CPU. I have spent time and money stretching it with a bigger hard drive, more USB ports, a graphics card and doubling the RAM from 256 mb, and also by trying many Linux distros (including XFCE versions), along with XP, W2K and even Vista Home Basic. Its performance isn't atrocious, but it does of course draw windows and work with the internet not so fluidly as my Vista-cum-Windows 7 laptop and my netbook. I'm thinking of reverting the purpose of the machine back to why I bought it secondhand, just to write a novel on, and I use the Wordpad derivative Jarte after a year of trying OpenOffice. I stupidly gave a Windows 98SE CD away with a laptop I sold but might buy another off eBay, though I do have a Windows 95 somewhere. I didn't see any 98 isos on 'certain sites' but would feel more comfortable with my own CD anyway unless anyone has any recommendations. Would I _notice_ a performance improvement if running an OS from the era the machine was built, or would it still be glitchy in the same way? I have seen Windows 98 in action fairly recently, but that was on a 200mhz and a 500mhz machine with 80mb and 128mb RAM, so I've ignored my impression. I have a 240 gb hard drive, with a 20gb one sitting in a drawer. Apparently the 240gb will be of no use to 98 or 95, but is that simply a case of setting up a partition smaller than 80gb or whatever to get it to use Windows 95 or 98, or is it going to have to be that the 240gb hd sits in the drawer for now? First off. that machine will run XP or Win2k just fine so I would not bother with win98. At any rate, it will run win98 . Since the machine is going to have limited use... I'd just use the 20 gig drive and save your larger drive for something else snip |
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Returning to Win98 or maybe 95 on old machine/ mobile broadbandand W98
poachedeggs wrote:
I have a 1999 Fujitsu with 512 mb upper limit for RAM and a 1.3 ghz CPU. I have spent time and money stretching it with a bigger hard drive, more USB ports, a graphics card and doubling the RAM from 256 mb, and also by trying many Linux distros (including XFCE versions), along with XP, W2K and even Vista Home Basic. Its performance isn't atrocious, but it does of course draw windows and work with the internet not so fluidly as my Vista-cum-Windows 7 laptop and my netbook. I'm thinking of reverting the purpose of the machine back to why I bought it secondhand, just to write a novel on, and I use the Wordpad derivative Jarte after a year of trying OpenOffice. I stupidly gave a Windows 98SE CD away with a laptop I sold but might buy another off eBay, though I do have a Windows 95 somewhere. I didn't see any 98 isos on 'certain sites' but would feel more comfortable with my own CD anyway unless anyone has any recommendations. Would I _notice_ a performance improvement if running an OS from the era the machine was built, or would it still be glitchy in the same way? I have seen Windows 98 in action fairly recently, but that was on a 200mhz and a 500mhz machine with 80mb and 128mb RAM, so I've ignored my impression. I have a 240 gb hard drive, with a 20gb one sitting in a drawer. Apparently the 240gb will be of no use to 98 or 95, but is that simply a case of setting up a partition smaller than 80gb or whatever to get it to use Windows 95 or 98, or is it going to have to be that the 240gb hd sits in the drawer for now? First off. that machine will run XP or Win2k just fine so I would not bother with win98. At any rate, it will run win98 . Since the machine is going to have limited use... I'd just use the 20 gig drive and save your larger drive for something else snip |
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Returning to Win98 or maybe 95 on old machine/ mobile broadband and W98
poachedeggs wrote:
I have a 240 gb hard drive, with a 20gb one sitting in a drawer. Apparently the 240gb will be of no use to 98 or 95, but is that simply a case of setting up a partition smaller than 80gb or whatever to get it to use Windows 95 or 98, or is it going to have to be that the 240gb hd sits in the drawer for now? Easy solution... 1. Buy an IDE card for about $10. It will give you two more hard drive channels and - AFAIK - all such cards support LBA which means your 240 GB drive will work just fine on it. 2. Put the 20 GB drive with SE on the main mobo channel 3. Put the 240 GB drive - partioned or not - on the main card channel and use it for whatever including a second OS. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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Returning to Win98 or maybe 95 on old machine/ mobile broadband and W98
poachedeggs wrote:
I have a 240 gb hard drive, with a 20gb one sitting in a drawer. Apparently the 240gb will be of no use to 98 or 95, but is that simply a case of setting up a partition smaller than 80gb or whatever to get it to use Windows 95 or 98, or is it going to have to be that the 240gb hd sits in the drawer for now? Easy solution... 1. Buy an IDE card for about $10. It will give you two more hard drive channels and - AFAIK - all such cards support LBA which means your 240 GB drive will work just fine on it. 2. Put the 20 GB drive with SE on the main mobo channel 3. Put the 240 GB drive - partioned or not - on the main card channel and use it for whatever including a second OS. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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MEB wrote:
What is your evidence or what do you base your claim on that SE has a different (more demanding) performance curve compared to FE? If you were actually interested, which we all know your not,,, you could check on the gamers sites or for some of their old performance diagnostics, if you can still find them... If you were actually a source of real information, and if you had confidence in the accuracy of your information, then you would support your claims by posting that information, instead of simply making the vaccuous claim that such information once existed in some vauge places. (and I don't play games with my PC, unlike you apparently do, so I wouldn't know any particular game sites. I actually have a $dayjob - perhaps you don't.) Then again, you COULD do your own tests, but you won't of course... Then again, since you made the claim that 98-SE runs slower than FE, you could post the results of your own tests that supports such a claim. |
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MEB wrote:
What is your evidence or what do you base your claim on that SE has a different (more demanding) performance curve compared to FE? If you were actually interested, which we all know your not,,, you could check on the gamers sites or for some of their old performance diagnostics, if you can still find them... If you were actually a source of real information, and if you had confidence in the accuracy of your information, then you would support your claims by posting that information, instead of simply making the vaccuous claim that such information once existed in some vauge places. (and I don't play games with my PC, unlike you apparently do, so I wouldn't know any particular game sites. I actually have a $dayjob - perhaps you don't.) Then again, you COULD do your own tests, but you won't of course... Then again, since you made the claim that 98-SE runs slower than FE, you could post the results of your own tests that supports such a claim. |
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