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Other or alternative Windows Updates
referencing Wiindows Updates -- Part 3, Security Updates CD -
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion per request by Gary I had seen another list his downloads and thought it appropriate to list others of apparent value to some who might need them. As for creating a separate thread to specifically address those updates, I have attempted discussions in two other threads which would or may have lead to such explanations, to no avail [I did place the bait but got flamed instead].. therefore, perhaps another party might do so.. I would, however, be willing to put in my "two cents" in any discussion. Moreover, the corporate site appears to be the only place to obtain many of these files, and does provide explanation (so far, though I do recommend the download of these files now rather than searching later for them for some reason, only to find they are gone). Having said that, I would also caution indiscriminate installation of these files without a present need, or specifically if presently using IE 6. These are, for the most part, "plain jane" 98 and SE files, and will severely conflict with IE 6 if already installed. re regclean: I also have found that REGCLEAN can cause problems, at times, for some users. REGCLEAN can and does "reset" certain variables in the registry which may conflict with other programs settings, registry settings, or requirements. It is NEVER suggested for use unless as a last resort attempted fix for very specific issues. I also avoid listing registry modifications openly upon public forum,, inappropriate modifications can be seriously damaging. Many see these "fixes", think their system has the same problem (which it doesn't) and cause more severe problems or conflicts. Hence, in another thread " rundll32.exe error", I suggested contact to the party, with several of you regarding registry modifications, rather than posting his answer, without explanation, openly there. I had hoped to have the "experts" provide their knowledge of Microsoft's registry areas (could we now say hives) for creation of a similar public data base in layman's terms.. Granted, various MVPs and others have done so elsewhere or on their own sites, but this would be an extremely valuable collected resource here. This is, after all, the general discussions format. Sort of the last chance to "pick the brains" of the "experts" before they drift off to XP and forget the nuances associated with the 98/NT meld. And for the last: I have stated an obvious occurrence. Microsoft specifically declared they would no longer support or supply fixes for the 98 OS. They have done exactly as they stated. They no longer supply the old files and fixes upon the update site. The only 98 "fixes" appear to be the IDE fix, and a very few others. For any support, one MUST be using IE 6 (or can one still access with 5.5) and have placed oneself in the "loop" of security and other fixes pursuant the XP files installed thereof, e.g. they are not supplying the necessary fixes for 98 and apparently Millennium which would be needed if one had not installed these XP files via IE 6, else they would still be listed, and one would not need to install IE 6 merely to access the site. [It would be nice to see the processor (speed) fix posted there though] Along that same line: here is the "why" of interest in this security/fixes updates CD to which you have referred, and you and I have discussed elsewhere. Does this supply some of the older necessary fixes which I have listed? Could one use this CD after the "end" and have a reasonable system to use for an extended period? Alas, I can not reply with answer for myself and others, as I have yet to obtained a copy; must have gotten lost in the mail. 8{% "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ... No offense taken, MEB, but my intention with this thread was to focus very narrowly on Windows Updates. While many of the downloads you mention might be valuable to individual users, they are not necessary to most users, and in fact quite a few of them would be dangerous to a naive user's system. Windows Updates is very specifically tailored such that only *very* safe, fully tested patches that apply to *all*, or at least most Windows systems. And, it may have been my mistake, but my impression was that you were suggesting that many items that had once been offered at Windows Updates were no longer there, which is the specific argument I was refuting. If that wasn't the idea you were trying to put across, well, it's what I heard. Again, I was, and am, totally focused on Windows Updates in this thread, nothing broader. Personally, I'd rather the discussion in this thread maintain that narrow focus in order to prevent confusion on the part of average users who want to use this thread as a reference. Your piling on of extraneous material, particularly without any detailed discussion of the applicability of each download you name, just confuses things. As for why you got notifications for so many of those downloads, there have been a few different "Downloads Notification" programs and yes, their intended target audience is IT professionals -- you get notification of all kinds of *possibly* useful downloads and it's up to you to decide which ones apply to which systems under your management. I get these notifications myself. But it's irresponsible to suggest to average users that their arsenal of patches and other useful tools is somehow lacking if they don't have all the items you list. That simply isn't true. My 98 systems get by just fine, and are as secure as 98 systems can be, without *any* of those items you listed (other than those already offered at Windows Updates.) And inappropriate patching can be just as damaging to a system as no patching at all. Might I suggest that you post your long list as a new thread, and add some specifics to each item in the list, so that others might better determine for themselves which of the items is one they should download and store for possible current or future use. As an example, you list REGCLEAN. My own opinion is that only those who are already intimately familiar with the Registry and it's ways should use REGCLEAN, that it is potentially damaging to a normal system if used incorrectly. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User "MEB" meb@not wrote in message ... I am sorry Gary, no offence was intended, not sure why everyone is so touchy here... I had already expressed my personal gratitude for your work and effort to document this issue in public forum.. Nor was I arguing with you. We are supposedly addressing updates and ramifications. Or rather, the thread was particularly ripe for this type of discussion. The point I extended was: That I had been directed to download these particular files via notifications sent to me BY Microsoft in some form (update site OR emailed notice), OR I had done so to fix some error from an installation of one of the updates/fixes, again per Microsoft recommendation. Were some never part of the update service for the GENERAL PUBLIC? Perhaps, but I was certainly notified. Were they only for IT Professionals, or System Managers, or those who specifically requested notification? Then the natural question would be raised: Why was that environment notified to install them and the general public was not notified or offered them? As for the general installation issues, unless and until Microsoft patches the errors caused by the installation of IE 6 SP1, these security fixes appear as gloss, insufficient (as of yet) to remedy the problems associated with such installation. In that light, when the true end comes for any support of 98, there will be no real need to install or use Microsoft browsers, as the "security issues" Microsoft is presently patching are related to that installation, NOT the original OS. These are XP related fixes, not OS 98 fixes. There will be no reason to use their Media player as there are several hundred better products out there. Perhaps no need to use Microsoft products at all for these older systems.. There are now rather nice versions of Linux which are constantly being upgraded by the public, and supply a nice graphical environment, better security, and numerous user programs.. and still run surprisingly well on the older machines, with better memory management, lower overhead, less bloat... And a new generation of second hand computer children that will grow up using Linux instead of Microsoft.. (Then again, that was a cry heard before which never came to pass, though there are now thousands of computers RIPE for such installation and no reason not to..) Moreover, Microsoft will certainly close themselves to further use by several thousand people, both in the browser arena, and also their search engine... perhaps a somewhat grievous error on their part as that will impact their marketing of advertisements.. and this without addressing the legal consequences.. I suppose the short is, that when the time comes to reinstall 98 I may NOT install IE 6 SP1, and use, instead the older specifically "designed for 98" files which worked so well before the installation of IE 6. With a different browser, of course, as there will be no need to contact the update site which requires it. The loss of .net will be an impact on the web based applications I use, but there are programs which provide those same functions without it.. I have already downloaded several in anticipation.. On a more practical side: The virus, worm, and Trojan writers will all be keying upon XP and the newer versions (NT5 and above) of Microsoft products, and forget about the limited base of 98 users. Why? Because that will take SPECIAL coding to attack the non-supported ancient 98 code environment, why bother. Not much "glamour" there.. {Let's see if we can picture this: "Hey dudes, I wrote this nifty virus for 98 and it just creamed them." ... "Oh really, so you trashed a couple thousand computers,, big deal,, I trashed 2000 servers and a million computers before they caught it. LOOOOOZZZZEEEERRR."} Thereby, plain installed 98 has the potential to become one of the safest OSs out there, in the long run. IF and only if one never installs IE 6 XP based files..[pending of course the proper patching of the errors] "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ... The patches you list are either already in my list (often under different names or subsumed into later patches) or never belonged at Windows Updates in the first place. You are arguing an entirely different context. I went through the first couple of dozen and if they aren't already in my list, they are not meant for Windows systems in general (only apply to seldom-installed optional components like SNMP server) or are "Hotfixes", patches that are usually only available by calling MS and explaining that you have the specific conditions listed in the KB and that you need the patch. In short, your implication (or did you state it outright?) that Windows Updates no longer has a lot of stuff that it used to is false. Anything that is no longer available has been superceded. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User "MEB" meb@not wrote in message ... I would beg to differ with you on that. It seems the only files now offered are security related, hence any needed system updates are not available. PER saved local updates folder (note: a few are duplicate fixes, and this only lists the ones presently "on disk", other "may be" saved on cdrom) |
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Windows Updates - passing info to those who may need it
As all support is ending for 98, time to pass on info which may be needed by
those who intend to still use it, or support it.. Microsoft claims it will maintain this info. These may have been replaced, outdated, or may be KBXXXXXX now. Some of the older Windows 98 and 98SE Microsoft Articles for "new/re-installation" or, after 2006 support end and IE 6/XP files removal ---------- Explanation of Error Codes Generated by Device Manager (Q125174) How to Use System Policies On a Standalone Computer (Q147381) Description of the Windows 95, Windows 98, and Windows Me Setup Switches (Q186111) Setup Does Not Detect Multiple Display Adapters Correctly (Q191622) Err Msg: WAOL Caused an Invalid Page Fault in Module MSVCRT.DLL (Q191621) Err Msg: Explorer Caused an Invalid Page Fault in Module... (Q191609) Dialog Box Containing No Text Appears When Windows 98 Starts (Q191604) Missing Drives in My Computer and Windows Explorer (Q191579) Err Msg: Internal Error 45: Your Infrared Software Has... (Q191578) Cannot Access Post Office with Windows Messaging (Q191576) System Configuration Utility Does Not Disable Files (Q191547) Windows 98 Dial-up Networking Security Upgrade Available (Q191540) HP ScanJet 5p Does Not Function After Upgrade to Windows 98 (Q191530) Cannot Print in Windows After Upgrading to Windows 98 (Q191516) Dxinfo.exe Tool Reports That the Directx.cpl File Is Missing (Q191490) Hard Disk Is Low on Disk Space Message During Windows 98 Setup (Q191489) Network Connections Unavailable After You Connect to Network (Q191481) Err Msg: The Telephony System Cannot Perform That Function at... (Q191468) Using ToggleKeys Feature Causes Sounds to Be Played Quietly (Q191458) Internet Explorer Does Not Save Connection Settings (Q191451) Err Msg: Error 633: The Modem Is Not Installed or Configured... (Q191444) Err Msg: Drive Converter Was Unable to Get a Lock on the Drive (Q191442) Sierra Semiconductor 33.6 Modem Does Not Work Correctly (Q191422) Roaming Profiles Do Not Always Update Correctly (Q191416) "Please Wait While Setup Searches for..." Message Appears (Q191392) Computer Appears to Stop Responding During Windows 98 Setup (Q191391) Not Enough Disk Space Error Message During Windows 98 Setup (Q191369) ScanDisk Stops Responding During Windows 98 Setup (Q191366) Two PC Cards Detected for Every One Inserted into Your Computer (Q191364) Cannot Log on to Network or Gain Access to Network Resources (Q191291) Cannot Install 3Com 3C905B Network Adapter in Windows 98 (Q191283) Error Message: Couldn't Load Cmf.dll, Check BinDir in Xcm.ini (Q191269) Windows 98 Setup Stops Responding While Trying to Play a Sound (Q191257) Tools Are Unavailable on Windows 98 (Retail Version) Boot Disk (Q191252) No Default MIDI Output Device in Multimedia Properties (Q191249) Err Msg: Cannot Find Program.exe Needed for Opening Files... (Q191219) Problems Using Media Player to Play .avi Files (Q191195) Cannot Access NDS Resources After Reinstalling Windows 98 (Q191185) SHIFT+TAB Does Not Work as Expected on Windows 98 Desktop (Q191171) Err Msg: MPREXE.EXE Caused an Invalid Page Fault in Module... (Q192249) Sound Problems with MS-DOS-Based Games in Windows 98 (Q192232) MS-DOS-Based Game Sounds Missing After You Upgrade to Windows 98 (Q192231) Windows 98 Detects Sierra SQ3465 33.6 Modem Incorrectly (Q192195) Digital Video Device Not Capturing Video with Adaptec AHA-8940 (Q192172) Error Message Upgrading IBM ThinkPad 701c to Windows 95/98 (Q192157) HyperTerminal Causes Invalid Page Fault Error in Msvcrt.dll (Q192123) DNS Settings Not Saved If DUN Installed During Batch Setup (Q192117) Video Capture WDM Driver Does Not Work in Windows 98 (Q192112) How DVD Regions Are Selected for Use by Windows 98 DVD Player (Q192103) Choppy Sound or No Sound Using WDM Drivers (Q192046) Err Msg: No ISDN Devices Were Found. Please Install an ISDN... (Q192005) Error Message Running the System Information Tool (Q191986) Internet Connection Wizard Repeatedly Prompts You to Restart (Q191981) Troubleshooting Spool32 Error Messages (Q191949) Blank Error Message Installing Puzzle Collection (Q191948) Err Msg: Address Book Failed To Load, Outlook Express Is... (Q191946) TV Out on ATI All In Wonder May Not Work Properly (Q191937) Cannot Resume Toshiba Tecra Laptop Computer in Docking Station (Q191884) "Desktop As Shortcut" Command Is Missing from the "Send To" Menu (Q191882) Error Message: VMM32.VXD: Missing/Unable to Load (Q191874) Unable to Create a Windows 98 Startup Disk (Q191848) Windows 98 Starts and Runs Very Slowly (Q191845) Windows 98 Setup Loses Access to Source Drive (Q191827) "Hard Disk Is Low on Disk Space" Message (Q191824) Trail of Black Dots Displayed When You Move the Brush Tool (Q191800) Err Msg: An Unknown Error Has Occurred During Installation (Q191799) Error Message: Windows 95 Is Now Setting Up Your Hardware... (Q191798) Date Is Incorrect When Starting Windows 98 at Midnight (Q191797) Error Message: The Media Is Not Supported by This Product... (Q191796) List of Documentation Errors in Windows 98 Resource Kit (Q188307) No Disconnect Prompt When Quitting Internet Explorer (Q193555) Cannot Change Desktop Settings with Diamond Stealth II S220 (Q193549) Err Msg: Setup Error 544: Setup Is Unable to Open the Data... (Q193500) Unable to Convert Graphic Images to Different File Formats (Q193483) IPX/SPX Protocol Bound to Dial-Up Adapter Multiple Times (Q193455) Screen Becomes Distorted Moving or Changing STB TV Window (Q193435) You Receive Internet Explorer Script Errors on Some Web Pages (Q193359) Cannot Save JPEG Files with Picture It! Express or Paint (Q193354) One or More Drives Unavailable After Hot Docking (Q193342) Unable to Extract the Desk.cpl File from the Windows 98 CD-ROM (Q193312) Windows Hangs at Logo Screen After Attaching External Device (Q193242) Computer Hangs When You Restart for the First Time During Setup (Q193156) Problems After Enabling Active Desktop (Q193110) "No Domain Controller" Error Msg Using Connection Manager 1.0 (Q193105) How to Determine If a Hard Disk Is Compressed (Q193051) Troubleshooting Cable Modems in Windows 98 (Q193011) CD Player Does Not Play Audio CDs (Q192988) Device Manager Disables IDE Controllers in BIOS (Q192987) Err Msg: DTOLE Caused an Invalid Page Fault in Module... (Q192969) How to Perform Clean-Boot Troubleshooting for Windows 98 (Q192926) Fatal Exception Error Message in VXD IOS(04) (Q192925) Microsoft Fax Does Not Appear in Add/Remove Programs (Q187549) How to Troubleshoot Internet Connection Sharing Problems (Q238135) USB Devices May Not Work in Windows 98 Second Edition (Q240075) USB Audio Problems with Openhci.sys (Q237944) Policy Not Applied Logging On Using a Space in the Domain Name (Q237923) Incorrect Response After Pressing Windows Logo Key Three Times (Q237846) Dial-Up Connection in ICS Does Not Prompt to Disconnect (Q237806) ICS Setup Err Msg: Your Network Configuration Is Not Complete (Q237802) Windows 98 should not be installed over Windows 98 Second (Q237587) The Explorer Command Does Not Select the Correct File (Q237494) System Date Reflects Changes While Date/Time Tool Is Open (Q237493) 128-Bit Dial-Up Networking Security Upgrade Does Not Work (Q237419) Cannot Register Windows 98 (Q237335) Cannot FTP to Windows NT 3.51 Server from Internet Explorer 5 (Q237000) Description of How ICS Appears in Network Properties (Q236465) No "Connect To" Dialog Box When You Double-Click a Connection (Q236457) How to Reinstall Microsoft Fax and Windows Messaging (Q235713) AOL Setup Error Messages in Windows 98 Second Edition (Q235704) General Protection Fault in Module Dibeng.dll (Q235618) File Dates Incorrect After Installing Windows 98 Second Edition (Q235482) RAS Clients Unable to Retrieve User List from Domain Controller (Q235463) Err Msg: Winword Caused a General Protection Fault in Module... (Q234004) Contents of the Open and Save As Dialog Boxes Sorted Incorrectly (Q233526) The Empty Recycle Bin Sound Is Played for All Menus (Q232923) Computer Restarts When You Try to Shut Down (Q232920) Cannot Use Standby Mode with USB Epson Stylus 740 Printer (Q232902) No Sharing Button After Installing Internet Connection Sharing (Q236152) |
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