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In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:26:07
+0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: You might get better answers from the W98 'group - I've crossposted. (Or an MS-DOS one, but I don't know one.) alt.msdos seems too quiet. alt.msdos.batch is busier. Included. atl.msdos.batch.nt is even better, included. comp.os.msdos.4dos is good included. That makes 6, which I think exceeds (or equals) limits somewhere. Must one be removed? Which one? In message , writes: I'm trying to add more driwe space on my Win98 computer. I had two 120G drives. I'm keeping the first (boot) drive, but replacing the second (storage) drive with a 300G drive. Each drive has had 3 partitions (by choice). I removed the second drive, replaced it with the new 300G drive, which is a Seagate. I used the Seagate software to partition and format it. I know that Win98 cant handle a partition over 137G (and I dont think the (15 year old) computer can either). I chose to just make two 125G partitions, which left the 3rd one around 50G. All went well. I got G: 125 H: 125 I: 50 In Win98, I can see all 3 of these new partitions, and copy stuff to them, etc.... However, I sometimes boot directly to DOS. From a direct DOS boot, I can not find drive I: It says "Invalid Drive" when I try to go to drive I: (G: and H: are fine). What the f__k is going on with this? Note: That seagate utility added some "dynamic" (file) which I see as soon as the computer is turned on, from Dos or A Windows boot). That is supposed to allow for using large drives like this. |
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In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
You might get better answers from the W98 'group - I've crossposted. (Or an MS-DOS one, but I don't know one.) comp.os.msdos.misc among others, I personally think this is more Windows relevent though. In message , writes: I'm trying to add more driwe space on my Win98 computer. I had two 120G drives. I'm keeping the first (boot) drive, but replacing the second (storage) drive with a 300G drive. Each drive has had 3 partitions (by choice). I removed the second drive, replaced it with the new 300G drive, which is a Seagate. I used the Seagate software to partition and format it. I know that Win98 cant handle a partition over 137G (and I dont think the (15 year old) computer can either). I chose to just make two 125G partitions, which left the 3rd one around 50G. All went well. I got G: 125 H: 125 I: 50 In Win98, I can see all 3 of these new partitions, and copy stuff to them, etc.... However, I sometimes boot directly to DOS. From a direct DOS boot, I can not find drive I: It says "Invalid Drive" when I try to go to drive I: (G: and H: are fine). What the f__k is going on with this? Note: That seagate utility added some "dynamic" (file) which I see as soon as the computer is turned on, from Dos or A Windows boot). That is supposed to allow for using large drives like this. I could only guess about that Seagate custom stuff, so here are some suggestions assuming disabling it doesn't fix the problem: Have you checked that I: isn't being assigned to a letter used for a CD/DVD drive in Windows (assuming you haven't installed a MSDOS CDROM driver)? I think that happens on some of my machines, though it could be due to 3rd party drive letter reassigners in my case. You didn't happen to turn file system compression on? That leaves the file system invisible to DOS in W98. -- __ __ #_ |\| | _# |
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On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:26:07 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: You might get better answers from the W98 'group - I've crossposted. (Or an MS-DOS one, but I don't know one.) Thanks for the crosspost, but it seems no one uses the Win98 newsgroups anymore... In message , writes: I'm trying to add more driwe space on my Win98 computer. I had two 120G drives. I'm keeping the first (boot) drive, but replacing the second (storage) drive with a 300G drive. Each drive has had 3 partitions (by choice). I removed the second drive, replaced it with the new 300G drive, which is a Seagate. I used the Seagate software to partition and format it. I know that Win98 cant handle a partition over 137G (and I dont think the (15 year old) computer can either). I chose to just make two 125G partitions, which left the 3rd one around 50G. All went well. I got G: 125 H: 125 I: 50 In Win98, I can see all 3 of these new partitions, and copy stuff to them, etc.... However, I sometimes boot directly to DOS. From a direct DOS boot, I can not find drive I: It says "Invalid Drive" when I try to go to drive I: (G: and H: are fine). What the f__k is going on with this? Note: That seagate utility added some "dynamic" (file) which I see as soon as the computer is turned on, from Dos or A Windows boot). That is supposed to allow for using large drives like this. |
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On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 5:11:38 PM UTC-6, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:26:07 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: You might get better answers from the W98 'group - I've crossposted. (Or an MS-DOS one, but I don't know one.) Thanks for the crosspost, but it seems no one uses the Win98 newsgroups anymore... In message , writes: I'm trying to add more driwe space on my Win98 computer. I had two 120G drives. I'm keeping the first (boot) drive, but replacing the second (storage) drive with a 300G drive. Each drive has had 3 partitions (by choice). I removed the second drive, replaced it with the new 300G drive, which is a Seagate. I used the Seagate software to partition and format it. I know that Win98 cant handle a partition over 137G (and I dont think the (15 year old) computer can either). I chose to just make two 125G partitions, which left the 3rd one around 50G. All went well. I got G: 125 H: 125 I: 50 In Win98, I can see all 3 of these new partitions, and copy stuff to them, etc.... However, I sometimes boot directly to DOS. From a direct DOS boot, I can not find drive I: It says "Invalid Drive" when I try to go to drive I: (G: and H: are fine). What the f__k is going on with this? Note: That seagate utility added some "dynamic" (file) which I see as soon as the computer is turned on, from Dos or A Windows boot). That is supposed to allow for using large drives like this. We are here, just takes a few days for everybody to show up. I didn't see a mention of 48 bit LBA aware io.sys being used specifically. It will be necessary in order to reach out across the 137 Gig barrier in DOS mode. First apply this MS update for the last 98 io.sys. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/311561 Then download PATCHPAR here http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/1181...-7#entry988944 Instructions for using it are he http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/1181...-4#entry984447 |
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On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 01:11:18 +0000 (UTC), lid
(Computer Nerd Kev) wrote: In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:26:07 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: You might get better answers from the W98 'group - I've crossposted. (Or an MS-DOS one, but I don't know one.) Thanks for the crosspost, but it seems no one uses the Win98 newsgroups anymore... It's where I came in from. Though I often half-heartedly follow the WinXP group as well without posting. Asking Win98 questions solely in an XP newsgroup isn't giving any W98 expert out there much of a chance is it? Anyway, I should have noted in my last post that compression shouldn't mess up accessing a HDD in DOS if it is booted from Win98 (restart in DOS mode etc.). Raw DOS on a separate disk/partition might have the problem. Yes, I'm booted from raw dos. I always start my Win98 computer in raw dos, so I can access my very old Dos based "Rapid File" database, which contains all my phone contacts. That way I dont have to wait for Windows to load to get a phone number. All I have to do is type "WIN" to start windows, which is fine! Anyhow, the problem is in raw dos! |
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On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 01:11:18 +0000 (UTC), lid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote: In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:26:07 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: You might get better answers from the W98 'group - I've crossposted. (Or an MS-DOS one, but I don't know one.) Thanks for the crosspost, but it seems no one uses the Win98 newsgroups anymore... It's where I came in from. Though I often half-heartedly follow the WinXP group as well without posting. Asking Win98 questions solely in an XP newsgroup isn't giving any W98 expert out there much of a chance is it? Anyway, I should have noted in my last post that compression shouldn't mess up accessing a HDD in DOS if it is booted from Win98 (restart in DOS mode etc.). Raw DOS on a separate disk/partition might have the problem. Yes, I'm booted from raw dos. I always start my Win98 computer in raw dos, so I can access my very old Dos based "Rapid File" database, which contains all my phone contacts. That way I dont have to wait for Windows to load to get a phone number. All I have to do is type "WIN" to start windows, which is fine! Anyhow, the problem is in raw dos! With MSDOS, you should be looking at the two configuration files for evidence. http://www.vfrazee.com/ms-dos/6.22/help/lastdrive.htm Paul |
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On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 4:23:33 AM UTC-6, wrote:
Yes, I'm booted from raw dos. I always start my Win98 computer in raw dos, so I can access my very old Dos based "Rapid File" database, which contains all my phone contacts. That way I dont have to wait for Windows to load to get a phone number. All I have to do is type "WIN" to start windows, which is fine! Anyhow, the problem is in raw dos! Can't help but wonder about the exact pedigree of the year 2000 computer you are using. It may have a BIOS update for it that includes LBA code rendering the use of drive overlay software not needed. Also wondering why you are thinking 98 can't do terabyte partitions and somehow is limited to 137 Gigs? There was a third party patch for ESDI_506.PDR released that addresses full 48 bit LBA access and allows for the full capacity of FAT32 file system to be 8 terabytes per drive. Your system of doing one partition of less than 137 Gig followed by another and another does NOT excuse the system from needing 48 bit LBA capabilities to see that far from the first sector with the partition tables to any other partition that is out 137 gig from there. Somehow I take it that you think this is a solution for the 137 Gig barrier - but it doesn't work like that, so no this is not why it's working. I can only assume from the very limited information that I have, that the drive overlay software is allowing it to work. Also can't fathom why no reply to my first message about io.sys? Thoughts? Dir /a /v will show you that you do have and use io.sys on every bootable disk you have. It is known to be defective in the 48 bit LBA arena until you patch it with third party tools linked to in my previous post. Once that is done you can have access to 8 terabytes in DOS mode as well as windows. |
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