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trying to install Win 98 onto flash drive, but problems
Well the drives I get probably won't be used in a timely manner to begin with so not much news about them is likely to be coming from me. I'm quite confident that the NOS china drives are new and will work fine though, they are too big for my first 98 box and don't fit well with the 500 gig used on the XP dual boot box either. I may use them for Atari 8 bit system even so when any of that may come about is doubtful at best. I need other toys like IDE to SCSI bridge that are rare as hen's teeth today unless you have a bottomless wallet.
And I don't. So 'plop' is certainly a stumbling point, you'll always have to boot from a CD containing plop which may be an issue in 98 install at second or third boot. I do say may, not sure there at all. Issue in my mind is getting plop to live on a standard 98 install CD such that plop gets used before DOS gets to load it's drive tables from partition info which is very early in the boot process. If the USB drive isn't present at that moment we have danger, will robinson, danger. Or Houston, we have a problem depending on just when you grew up. And yes, there might be better USB drivers than plop offers, could very will be the entire issue. I know in other projects using other formatting tools, one USB drive will show an option for FAT16 and the next drive won't. And I have no idea exactly why. Can't help but think that there can be a fundamental difference in the hardware of USB drives from different sources, one installs a driver that is capable of FAT16 and the other installs a driver that overlooks that old junk as not useful. Doesn't seem to be an issue as reported anyway, I also got some 2 gig pen drives coming as mine seem to vanish too. I do think that 98 would love to live on that laptop however, it's specs are just right for it and that's a very rare situation when you think about it. I would quickly abandon the USB approach once the NOS china drives arrive, that's for sure. 98 on USB drive is an interesting thing to play around with is all it will ever amount to here, and I have a good deal of other computer projects that are more pressing for me for the foreseeable future too. All the best. Lee |
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trying to install Win 98 onto flash drive, but problems
On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 10:49:57 -0500, Dobbins etc
wrote: I am trying to install Win98 onto a flash drive (in my case 8 GB flash) as detailed he https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qd7cDbtwj4 I get as far as the "Microsoft ScanDisk" screen during installation of '98 onto the flash drive, but then I keep getting hanging during the "directory structure" scan. Any ideas would be welcome. I should mention that I did encounter one issue during set up detailed in the video: where it says to reformat the flash drive as FAT, I was presented with only FAT32 and NTFS options. I went with FAT32 after at least one person said they had success (and I wasn't sure how to reformat to FAT if I didn't have the option presented). Thank you Fat 32 works fine with Win98. I have 98 installed on my HDD, which is Fat 32. I also have Windows 2000 on the same machine (dual booted). The computer was made and came with Win2000, but I use 98 a lot more. I'd probably change Win2000 to XP, but I dont thing the computer would have enough power to run XP properly. I have XP on another newer computer anyhow. Anyhow, I have two 120gb drives on this machine. Six partitions (All Fat 32), with Win98 on C: and Win2000 on D: (I think Win2000 could use NTFS, I sort of forget, but I just have it on Fat32). But Win98 was never made to use NTFS. I have to ask WHY you want to install Win98 on a flash drive? Just install it on a HDD and dual boot if you want. One problem I see, is that Win98 was not built with any real USB support. That might be your problem. There are some aftermarket progs you can install for better USB sipport, but that is NOT in your installation from the 98 CD. And most of that aftermarket stuff still dont work the greatest in 98. For example, I can use some 2 or 4 GB flash drives, but it wont accept any bigger ones. Thats the main reason I have Win2000 installed. W2000 has a lot better USB support. I can plug in my 500gb portable HDD and copy all my data to it, which is not only a backup but also allowed me to access all my data on my XP machine. One other thing. I still use some actual Dos programs. I dont want them running in a Dos window, I want actual dos. Close Win98 using the "Restart on MS-DOS mode", and when you restart you have true dos. I always have it set that way. If I want to use Dos, it's loaded, if I want Win98, I just type "WIN", and it loads. So, I actually have THREE operating systems available on one machine..... |
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trying to install Win 98 onto flash drive, but problems
Dobbins etc wrote:
Ah - you were trying to install win-98 on the thumb drive, not *from* the thumb drive. Correct. So my next question is - what OS is currently on the Toshiba's internal hard drive? Right now, it has Win Me. Running any OS from a thumb drive, even if you have USB-2 ports, is a really dumb idea. It would be VERY slow. And if your temp files, cache files, virtual ram files are also being written to the thumb drive, not only is is slow, you will eventually burn out the thumb drive. Flash-ram doesn't have a lot of read/write cycles. If the computer has only USB-1 ports, then it's a _really_ dumb idea. My next question is: Why didn't you simply do a dual-boot Win ME/Win-98 on the existing hard drive? |
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trying to install Win 98 onto flash drive, but problems
On 01/23/2017 10:12 AM, 98 Guy wrote:
Running any OS from a thumb drive, even if you have USB-2 ports, is a really dumb idea. Although I've never tried it, it probably isn't the greatest idea, at least as far as for Win OS. On the other hand, supposedly Linux based OS's tend to make the job much easier. I am using my Ubuntu based laptop now as I write. Problem is that it doesn't seem that nearly any Linux distro was far enough along yet at the same time as Win 98 and all current ones are for better machines. .....you will eventually burn out the thumb drive. Flash-ram doesn't have a lot of read/write cycles. I already surmised that, thanks. I use flash thumb drives on a regular basis with all of my Win/Linux systems and I have had them burn out or become unreadable on occasion. I finally learned to keep regular back ups of each flash on a couple of master hard drives. I use probably in the neighbourhood of 20 flash drives for different purposes. Why didn't you simply do a dual-boot Win ME/Win-98 on the existing hard drive? Well, the laptop I'm on right now is configured that way as I can boot into either Ubuntu or Win7 at start up. It just wasn't worth the trouble with the very old laptop with ME. Besides, it seems like anyone who tried what I had attempted to do with ME instead of 98 couldn't get it to install. I've had a 98 CD around here for years, so knew I could try to install exactly as per the video. |
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trying to install Win 98 onto flash drive, but problems
Dobbins etc wrote:
On 01/23/2017 10:12 AM, 98 Guy wrote: Running any OS from a thumb drive, even if you have USB-2 ports, is a really dumb idea. Although I've never tried it, it probably isn't the greatest idea, at least as far as for Win OS. On the other hand, supposedly Linux based OS's tend to make the job much easier. I am using my Ubuntu based laptop now as I write. Problem is that it doesn't seem that nearly any Linux distro was far enough along yet at the same time as Win 98 and all current ones are for better machines. There's a Linux distro called Damn Small Linux (DSL) that was designed to work well with Win98 era hardware. It can also be installed to flash devices in a way that prevents wearing them out by running completely in RAM, and thereby not performing all the small writes caused by running an OS on the flash drive itself. Unfortunately development has ceased and much of the software available is rather out of date, but it is about as usable as Win98. http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ -- __ __ #_ |\| | _# |
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trying to install Win 98 onto flash drive, but problems
On 01/23/2017 04:18 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
There's a Linux distro called Damn Small Linux (DSL) that was designed to work well with Win98 era hardware. It can also be installed to flash devices in a way that prevents wearing them out by running completely in RAM, and thereby not performing all the small writes caused by running an OS on the flash drive itself. Unfortunately development has ceased and much of the software available is rather out of date, but it is about as usable as Win98. http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ Yes, I tried a live CD of it last week after the old laptop's hd failed. It was the only distro I found that would work. The laptop only has 64 MB RAM, so that automatically disqualified most OS software running RAM. However, I could see some possible issues on the horizon such as USB support (or lack thereof) and whether or not I'd ever be able to get a 98 era webcam functional with it. |
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trying to install Win 98 onto flash drive, but problems
Dobbins etc wrote:
On 01/23/2017 04:18 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: There's a Linux distro called Damn Small Linux (DSL) that was designed to work well with Win98 era hardware. It can also be installed to flash devices in a way that prevents wearing them out by running completely in RAM, and thereby not performing all the small writes caused by running an OS on the flash drive itself. Unfortunately development has ceased and much of the software available is rather out of date, but it is about as usable as Win98. http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ Yes, I tried a live CD of it last week after the old laptop's hd failed. It was the only distro I found that would work. The laptop only has 64 MB RAM, so that automatically disqualified most OS software running RAM. However, I could see some possible issues on the horizon such as USB support (or lack thereof) and whether or not I'd ever be able to get a 98 era webcam functional with it. USB usually works with DSL, I guess you might have had a driver problem. The webcam would indeed be an issue though. I don't think they're very well supported in Linux even at the best of times. -- __ __ #_ |\| | _# |
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trying to install Win 98 onto flash drive, but problems
Just for the record, I actually got this to work with my Dell Inspiron
1545. Of course, a *much* different animal than the "primitive" Toshiba PII laptop, but I think the main reason for the no-go on the Toshiba was limited USB support. At least I know the method works, however, given the right machine. |
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