need to backup registry? can't get rid of programs

Hi

Thanks for all the previous answers.

Just to be absolutely clear on this as the registry
appears fundamentally important.

What people appear to be saying is that although the
registry backs itself up every day, if I went in and
created an error this would show itself the next day. ie.
the daily backup would preserve the error?

Is this right and is this why I need a physical backup to
bring the registry back to its state before
my 'intervention' into the regsistry.

Therefore is it better to just copy system dat and user
dat onto a floppy using winzip or use the batch file from
Dos prompt as suggested by Eric (see helpful suggestions
to my previous queries below).

Finally, all these problems are created because I can't
get rid of programs. I now can't get rid of a copy of
Real player as it seems embedded somewhere and keeps
forcing its way as a default media player. I assume its on
the registry somewhere?

Given thisGary S. Terhune (27 july) has helpfully
suggested many software packages that get rid of invaders
after doing a clean boot (is a clean boot the same as
first getting rid of all unwanted stuff from the registry
by finding it manually? (hence the need for the backup?)

Is it better to use a software package instead of me
blundering around or as seems to be suggested by Gary and
Eric (27/ july) first clean the registry manually then use
a very gentle software cleaner?

Thanks again to all who have helped! Phew


Below is a summary of the last Q and A

All others can be found under search term 'dockerx'

QUESTION:

"dockerx6" wrote in
message
...
Hi

I'm not sure if I'm getting this? sorry to be so slow.
In order to chase this rogue program out I need to go
into
registry. Before I go into registry some say it is best
to
backup registry up. If this is done automatically each
time I start up what does 'backup registry' mean if not
onto a hard copy floppy disk or zip.

Thanks



ANSWERS
---

The Registry is backed up when you start your computer
successfully *once
daily*. Before doing any kind of Registry work, it's just
a good idea to be
absolutely sure you have a backup of the most current
Registry configuration
before attempting anything in there.

--
HTH,
Curt

W98 Support & Discussion:
http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
Windows How-tos and and Freewa
http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/
Windows Help & Discussion:
http://forum.aumha.org/

Subject: using registry need for backup?
From: "Eric"
Sent: 7/28/2004 7:19:32 AM




If you want to back up the Registry files they are called
User.dat and System.dat.

System.dat id the main Registry file and it is too large
to be copied to one floppy disk, so if you want to copy
the two to floppy disks, use WinZip from winzip.com to
make a zip file of them that can span disks.

You can also create a batch file that backs up the system
files to a folder from the DOS prompt and then allows you
to restore them from full DOS mode that is accessed at
start-up by pressing the F8 key and choosing the command
prompt boot.

There is an article on how to create and run such a batch
file at the top of this page:


Subject: using registry need for backup?
From: "Bill in Co." Sent:
7/28/2004 11:05:51 AM




In addition to what the others have said, I think it's a
good precaution to
manually run scanreg just prior to installing a new
program, in case
something goes wrong. In many (but not all cases), you
can recover that
way.

You should keep your replies to the original thread so that everyone knows
what has already been discussed.

Windows 98 creates a new registry backup for the first boot for each date.
Up to five backups are kept. You can restore from any of these five
backups. If there is an error in your system (eg, something in the registry
that shouldn't be there) the registry still gets backed up, so it's possible
to restore to an earlier version and still have the problem.

Taking a copy of the registry files is a different sort of backup. There is
no need for the copy to be on floppy (in fact, they won't fit on a floppy,
which if I recall correctly is where we started.) For this sort of backup
you will have to keep track for yourself of when each backup was created and
whether or not it contained the error that you are trying to get rid of.
There can be as many of these types of backup as you have disk space for (or
can keep track of).

If your problem is removing programs then you should simply tackle each one
as a separate task. Removing Real Player should not be difficult. I
suspect that you are actually only removing an icon or shortcut. It should
be removed through add/remove programs. If this doesn't work a common trick
is to re-install it (ie, repair it) and then uninstall it.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (DTS)
"dockerx 7" wrote in message
...

Hi

Thanks for all the previous answers.

Just to be absolutely clear on this as the registry
appears fundamentally important.

What people appear to be saying is that although the
registry backs itself up every day, if I went in and
created an error this would show itself the next day. ie.
the daily backup would preserve the error?

Is this right and is this why I need a physical backup to
bring the registry back to its state before
my 'intervention' into the regsistry.

Therefore is it better to just copy system dat and user
dat onto a floppy using winzip or use the batch file from
Dos prompt as suggested by Eric (see helpful suggestions
to my previous queries below).

Finally, all these problems are created because I can't
get rid of programs. I now can't get rid of a copy of
Real player as it seems embedded somewhere and keeps
forcing its way as a default media player. I assume its on
the registry somewhere?

Given thisGary S. Terhune (27 july) has helpfully
suggested many software packages that get rid of invaders
after doing a clean boot (is a clean boot the same as
first getting rid of all unwanted stuff from the registry
by finding it manually? (hence the need for the backup?)

Is it better to use a software package instead of me
blundering around or as seems to be suggested by Gary and
Eric (27/ july) first clean the registry manually then use
a very gentle software cleaner?

Thanks again to all who have helped! Phew


Below is a summary of the last Q and A

All others can be found under search term 'dockerx'

QUESTION:

"dockerx6" wrote in
message
...
Hi

I'm not sure if I'm getting this? sorry to be so slow.
In order to chase this rogue program out I need to go
into
registry. Before I go into registry some say it is best
to
backup registry up. If this is done automatically each
time I start up what does 'backup registry' mean if not
onto a hard copy floppy disk or zip.

Thanks



ANSWERS
---

The Registry is backed up when you start your computer
successfully *once
daily*. Before doing any kind of Registry work, it's just
a good idea to be
absolutely sure you have a backup of the most current
Registry configuration
before attempting anything in there.

--
HTH,
Curt

W98 Support & Discussion:
http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
Windows How-tos and and Freewa
http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/
Windows Help & Discussion:
http://forum.aumha.org/

Subject: using registry need for backup?
From: "Eric"
Sent: 7/28/2004 7:19:32 AM




If you want to back up the Registry files they are called
User.dat and System.dat.

System.dat id the main Registry file and it is too large
to be copied to one floppy disk, so if you want to copy
the two to floppy disks, use WinZip from winzip.com to
make a zip file of them that can span disks.

You can also create a batch file that backs up the system
files to a folder from the DOS prompt and then allows you
to restore them from full DOS mode that is accessed at
start-up by pressing the F8 key and choosing the command
prompt boot.

There is an article on how to create and run such a batch
file at the top of this page:


Subject: using registry need for backup?
From: "Bill in Co." Sent:
7/28/2004 11:05:51 AM




In addition to what the others have said, I think it's a
good precaution to
manually run scanreg just prior to installing a new
program, in case
something goes wrong. In many (but not all cases), you
can recover that
way.

dockerx 7 wrote in message ...

Hi

Thanks for all the previous answers.

Just to be absolutely clear on this as the registry
appears fundamentally important.

The registry is fundamental, and freedom from corruption is essential.

What people appear to be saying is that although the
registry backs itself up every day, if I went in and
created an error this would show itself the next day. ie.
the daily backup would preserve the error?

The backup the next day would copy the incorrect registry files.

Once that was complete, depending upon the severity of the error
which you deliberately created, the computer may or may not boot.

Is this right and is this why I need a physical backup to
bring the registry back to its state before
my 'intervention' into the regsistry.

No. You don't strictly need a physical backup
IF Scanregw autoruns each time you boot.
It is just good practice to create that physical backup,
because you may have made valid configuration changes
since you booted. The physical backup will capture
those registry changes, allowing you to maintain those
registry settings if you screw something up in the Registry
(deliberately or accidentally). If you didn't do the physical
backup immediately prior to fubarring the registry,
then when you run Scanreg's Restore option,
you will revert to an earlier copy of the registry
which lacks the installation parameters just added.
Now, you will have indeed eliminated the deliberate error
that you intentionally caused, but you will have created
a configuration issue for yourself.

Therefore is it better to just copy system dat and user
dat onto a floppy using winzip or use the batch file from
Dos prompt as suggested by Eric (see helpful suggestions
to my previous queries below).

NO. it isn't better. They don't need to be on a floppy.
They can be on the hard drive.

Finally, all these problems are created because I can't
get rid of programs. I now can't get rid of a copy of
Real player as it seems embedded somewhere and keeps
forcing its way as a default media player. I assume its on
the registry somewhere?

There will be information in the registry, yes,
but there will also be files all over your hard drive,
in the Windows folder and in the Real player install folder.

You need to use the uninstall procedure that comes with Real Player.
I cannot give you the specifics on that, as I won't allow
that piece of (software) on my computers.

Look in Control Panel (Add/Remove Programs)
or in the Real Player section of Start = Programs.

Given thisGary S. Terhune (27 july) has helpfully
suggested many software packages that get rid of invaders
after doing a clean boot (is a clean boot the same as
first getting rid of all unwanted stuff from the registry
by finding it manually? (hence the need for the backup?)

No. A clean boot is simply shutting down the computer
using Start = Shut Down... = Shut down.
Then power up again. You start "clean",
rather than simply clicking Start = Shut Down = Restart.

Perhaps you should spend some time at http://www.pcguide.com/

Is it better to use a software package instead of me
blundering around

No and No. You shouldn't use a package until you understand
what it is for, and you should NEVER blunder around, period,
unless you have the skill level of Mr Terhune and people of that ilk.

or as seems to be suggested by Gary and
Eric (27/ july) first clean the registry manually then use
a very gentle software cleaner?

I have no wish to offend you, but your hell-bent-for-leather
approach is gonna get you up crocodile creek in a pair of loafers.

Your best bet is to carefully define any problems that you are having,
one at a time, using separate posts, and then follow the instructions
that you are given "to the letter", until you have raised your expertise
to a level which will permit you to venture cautiously into the Registry.

Thanks again to all who have helped! Phew

You are welcome. We are here to help. My final piece of advice
to you would be to pay close attention to the tone of the advice
that you get from the respected regular posters. If it appears that
more than one of them is getting exasperated with you,
you would be well advised to back off on any experimentation,
and study the advice, and then follow it.


Below is a summary of the last Q and A

All others can be found under search term 'dockerx'

QUESTION:

"dockerx6" wrote in
message
...
Hi

I'm not sure if I'm getting this? sorry to be so slow.
In order to chase this rogue program out I need to go
into
registry. Before I go into registry some say it is best
to
backup registry up. If this is done automatically each
time I start up what does 'backup registry' mean if not
onto a hard copy floppy disk or zip.

Thanks



ANSWERS
---

The Registry is backed up when you start your computer
successfully *once
daily*. Before doing any kind of Registry work, it's just
a good idea to be
absolutely sure you have a backup of the most current
Registry configuration
before attempting anything in there.

--
HTH,
Curt

W98 Support & Discussion:
http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
Windows How-tos and and Freewa
http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/
Windows Help & Discussion:
http://forum.aumha.org/

Subject: using registry need for backup?
From: "Eric"
Sent: 7/28/2004 7:19:32 AM




If you want to back up the Registry files they are called
User.dat and System.dat.

System.dat id the main Registry file and it is too large
to be copied to one floppy disk, so if you want to copy
the two to floppy disks, use WinZip from winzip.com to
make a zip file of them that can span disks.

You can also create a batch file that backs up the system
files to a folder from the DOS prompt and then allows you
to restore them from full DOS mode that is accessed at
start-up by pressing the F8 key and choosing the command
prompt boot.

There is an article on how to create and run such a batch
file at the top of this page:


Subject: using registry need for backup?
From: "Bill in Co." Sent:
7/28/2004 11:05:51 AM




In addition to what the others have said, I think it's a
good precaution to
manually run scanreg just prior to installing a new
program, in case
something goes wrong. In many (but not all cases), you
can recover that
way.

| No. You don't strictly need a physical backup
| IF Scanregw autoruns each time you boot.
| It is just good practice to create that physical backup,
| because you may have made valid configuration changes
| since you booted.

That is all very sensible, IF major changes were made. Still, each
"START button, Run, Scanreg, Yes button" of one's own WILL wipe out one
of the five that are normally kept. Therefore, I'd hate to see someone
do five of them in a session, NOT that you have said they should.

Usually, one should just go with the regular daily backups, which are
done at boot.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Hugh Candlin" wrote in message
...
....snip
|
| No. You don't strictly need a physical backup
| IF Scanregw autoruns each time you boot.
| It is just good practice to create that physical backup,
| because you may have made valid configuration changes
| since you booted. The physical backup will capture
| those registry changes, allowing you to maintain those
| registry settings if you screw something up in the Registry
| (deliberately or accidentally). If you didn't do the physical
| backup immediately prior to fubarring the registry,
| then when you run Scanreg's Restore option,
| you will revert to an earlier copy of the registry
| which lacks the installation parameters just added.
| Now, you will have indeed eliminated the deliberate error
| that you intentionally caused, but you will have created
| a configuration issue for yourself.
....snip

-----Original Message-----
You should keep your replies to the original thread so
that everyone knows
what has already been discussed.

Windows 98 creates a new registry backup for the first
boot for each date.
Up to five backups are kept. You can restore from any of
these five
backups. If there is an error in your system (eg,
something in the registry
that shouldn't be there) the registry still gets backed
up, so it's possible
to restore to an earlier version and still have the
problem.

Taking a copy of the registry files is a different sort
of backup. There is
no need for the copy to be on floppy (in fact, they won't
fit on a floppy,
which if I recall correctly is where we started.) For
this sort of backup
you will have to keep track for yourself of when each
backup was created and
whether or not it contained the error that you are trying
to get rid of.
There can be as many of these types of backup as you have
disk space for (or
can keep track of).

If your problem is removing programs then you should
simply tackle each one
as a separate task. Removing Real Player should not be
difficult. I
suspect that you are actually only removing an icon or
shortcut. It should
be removed through add/remove programs. If this doesn't
work a common trick
is to re-install it (ie, repair it) and then uninstall it.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (DTS)
"dockerx 7" wrote
in message
...

Hi

Thanks for all the previous answers.

Just to be absolutely clear on this as the registry
appears fundamentally important.

What people appear to be saying is that although the
registry backs itself up every day, if I went in and
created an error this would show itself the next day.
ie.
the daily backup would preserve the error?

Is this right and is this why I need a physical backup
to
bring the registry back to its state before
my 'intervention' into the regsistry.

Therefore is it better to just copy system dat and user
dat onto a floppy using winzip or use the batch file
from
Dos prompt as suggested by Eric (see helpful suggestions
to my previous queries below).

Finally, all these problems are created because I can't
get rid of programs. I now can't get rid of a copy of
Real player as it seems embedded somewhere and keeps
forcing its way as a default media player. I assume its
on
the registry somewhere?

Given thisGary S. Terhune (27 july) has helpfully
suggested many software packages that get rid of
invaders
after doing a clean boot (is a clean boot the same as
first getting rid of all unwanted stuff from the
registry
by finding it manually? (hence the need for the backup?)

Is it better to use a software package instead of me
blundering around or as seems to be suggested by Gary
and
Eric (27/ july) first clean the registry manually then
use
a very gentle software cleaner?

Thanks again to all who have helped! Phew


Below is a summary of the last Q and A

All others can be found under search term 'dockerx'

QUESTION:

"dockerx6" wrote
in
message
...
Hi

I'm not sure if I'm getting this? sorry to be so slow.
In order to chase this rogue program out I need to go
into
registry. Before I go into registry some say it is best
to
backup registry up. If this is done automatically each
time I start up what does 'backup registry' mean if not
onto a hard copy floppy disk or zip.

Thanks



ANSWERS
---

The Registry is backed up when you start your computer
successfully *once
daily*. Before doing any kind of Registry work, it's
just
a good idea to be
absolutely sure you have a backup of the most current
Registry configuration
before attempting anything in there.

--
HTH,
Curt

W98 Support & Discussion:
http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
Windows How-tos and and Freewa
http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/
Windows Help & Discussion:
http://forum.aumha.org/

Subject: using registry need for backup?
From: "Eric"
Sent: 7/28/2004 7:19:32 AM




If you want to back up the Registry files they are
called
User.dat and System.dat.

System.dat id the main Registry file and it is too large
to be copied to one floppy disk, so if you want to copy
the two to floppy disks, use WinZip from winzip.com to
make a zip file of them that can span disks.

You can also create a batch file that backs up the
system
files to a folder from the DOS prompt and then allows
you
to restore them from full DOS mode that is accessed at
start-up by pressing the F8 key and choosing the command
prompt boot.

There is an article on how to create and run such a
batch
file at the top of this page:


Subject: using registry need for backup?
From: "Bill in Co." Sent:
7/28/2004 11:05:51 AM




In addition to what the others have said, I think it's a
good precaution to
manually run scanreg just prior to installing a new
program, in case
something goes wrong. In many (but not all cases), you
can recover that
way.








.






Thanks Jeff

I hope this keeps to the thread.

Whilst I have bben grateful to everyones' help I dont
appreciate the slightly patronising tone of some of the
comments. If those people know so much how come they have
to pootle around on a site like this

Cheers to genuine fellow learners

-----Original Message-----

dockerx 7 wrote in
message ...

Hi

Thanks for all the previous answers.

Just to be absolutely clear on this as the registry
appears fundamentally important.

The registry is fundamental, and freedom from corruption
is essential.

What people appear to be saying is that although the
registry backs itself up every day, if I went in and
created an error this would show itself the next day.
ie.
the daily backup would preserve the error?

The backup the next day would copy the incorrect registry
files.

Once that was complete, depending upon the severity of
the error
which you deliberately created, the computer may or may
not boot.

Is this right and is this why I need a physical backup
to
bring the registry back to its state before
my 'intervention' into the regsistry.

No. You don't strictly need a physical backup
IF Scanregw autoruns each time you boot.
It is just good practice to create that physical backup,
because you may have made valid configuration changes
since you booted. The physical backup will capture
those registry changes, allowing you to maintain those
registry settings if you screw something up in the
Registry
(deliberately or accidentally). If you didn't do the
physical
backup immediately prior to fubarring the registry,
then when you run Scanreg's Restore option,
you will revert to an earlier copy of the registry
which lacks the installation parameters just added.
Now, you will have indeed eliminated the deliberate error
that you intentionally caused, but you will have created
a configuration issue for yourself.

Therefore is it better to just copy system dat and user
dat onto a floppy using winzip or use the batch file
from
Dos prompt as suggested by Eric (see helpful suggestions
to my previous queries below).

NO. it isn't better. They don't need to be on a floppy.
They can be on the hard drive.

Finally, all these problems are created because I can't
get rid of programs. I now can't get rid of a copy of
Real player as it seems embedded somewhere and keeps
forcing its way as a default media player. I assume its
on
the registry somewhere?

There will be information in the registry, yes,
but there will also be files all over your hard drive,
in the Windows folder and in the Real player install
folder.

You need to use the uninstall procedure that comes with
Real Player.
I cannot give you the specifics on that, as I won't allow
that piece of (software) on my computers.

Look in Control Panel (Add/Remove Programs)
or in the Real Player section of Start = Programs.

Given thisGary S. Terhune (27 july) has helpfully
suggested many software packages that get rid of
invaders
after doing a clean boot (is a clean boot the same as
first getting rid of all unwanted stuff from the
registry
by finding it manually? (hence the need for the backup?)

No. A clean boot is simply shutting down the computer
using Start = Shut Down... = Shut down.
Then power up again. You start "clean",
rather than simply clicking Start = Shut Down = Restart.

Perhaps you should spend some time at
http://www.pcguide.com/

Is it better to use a software package instead of me
blundering around

No and No. You shouldn't use a package until you
understand
what it is for, and you should NEVER blunder around,
period,
unless you have the skill level of Mr Terhune and people
of that ilk.

or as seems to be suggested by Gary and
Eric (27/ july) first clean the registry manually then
use
a very gentle software cleaner?

I have no wish to offend you, but your hell-bent-for-
leather
approach is gonna get you up crocodile creek in a pair of
loafers.

Your best bet is to carefully define any problems that
you are having,
one at a time, using separate posts, and then follow the
instructions
that you are given "to the letter", until you have raised
your expertise
to a level which will permit you to venture cautiously
into the Registry.

Thanks again to all who have helped! Phew

You are welcome. We are here to help. My final piece of
advice
to you would be to pay close attention to the tone of the
advice
that you get from the respected regular posters. If it
appears that
more than one of them is getting exasperated with you,
you would be well advised to back off on any
experimentation,
and study the advice, and then follow it.


Below is a summary of the last Q and A

All others can be found under search term 'dockerx'

QUESTION:

"dockerx6" wrote
in
message
...
Hi

I'm not sure if I'm getting this? sorry to be so slow.
In order to chase this rogue program out I need to go
into
registry. Before I go into registry some say it is
best
to
backup registry up. If this is done automatically each
time I start up what does 'backup registry' mean if
not
onto a hard copy floppy disk or zip.

Thanks



ANSWERS
---

The Registry is backed up when you start your computer
successfully *once
daily*. Before doing any kind of Registry work, it's
just
a good idea to be
absolutely sure you have a backup of the most current
Registry configuration
before attempting anything in there.

--
HTH,
Curt

W98 Support & Discussion:
http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
Windows How-tos and and Freewa
http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/
Windows Help & Discussion:
http://forum.aumha.org/

Subject: using registry need for backup?
From: "Eric"
Sent: 7/28/2004 7:19:32 AM




If you want to back up the Registry files they are
called
User.dat and System.dat.

System.dat id the main Registry file and it is too large
to be copied to one floppy disk, so if you want to copy
the two to floppy disks, use WinZip from winzip.com to
make a zip file of them that can span disks.

You can also create a batch file that backs up the
system
files to a folder from the DOS prompt and then allows
you
to restore them from full DOS mode that is accessed at
start-up by pressing the F8 key and choosing the command
prompt boot.

There is an article on how to create and run such a
batch
file at the top of this page:


Subject: using registry need for backup?
From: "Bill in Co." Sent:
7/28/2004 11:05:51 AM




In addition to what the others have said, I think it's a
good precaution to
manually run scanreg just prior to installing a new
program, in case
something goes wrong. In many (but not all cases), you
can recover that
way.









Thanks Hugh

I hope this keeps to the thread.

Whilst I have been grateful for everyones' help I don't
appreciate the slightly patronising tone of some of the
comments. If those people know so much how come they have
to pootle around on a site like this

Cheers to genuine fellow learners





.

Huh? There aren't too many in here you could be talking about!

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"dockerx" wrote in message
...
....snip
| Thanks Hugh
|
| I hope this keeps to the thread.
|
| Whilst I have been grateful for everyones' help I don't
| appreciate the slightly patronising tone of some of the
| comments. If those people know so much how come they have
| to pootle around on a site like this
|
| Cheers to genuine fellow learners

Both Jeff and Hugh have been anything but patronizing. They've written
thoughtful, concise, and helpful messages intended to convey important
information to you--not an easy task when you consider the manner in which you
have ignored, misread, and otherwise mishandled the information given to you in
previous threads.

Case in point, I *never* suggested that you "clean the Registry" in order to
deal with your messed up programming efforts. In fact, I suggested just the
opposite. I clearly stated that doing so was a BAD idea on your part. The only
remotely similar suggestion I ever made was to employ certain tools to look for
and root out parasitic invaders that might be causing much of your misery--that
might be (and probably are) the reason ULEAD didn't install correctly in the
first place, or uninstall properly (though having read subsequent posts, I have
to wonder if the primary problem is your not knowing how to uninstall programs
properly.)

Second case in point: Your question here, asking if my "Clean Boot" is something
to do with cleaning the Registry suggests to me that you haven't read the
article. If you had, you wouldn't be under such a mistaken impression.

In order to do what you need to do in your system, you must be methodical. You
must practice critical thinking. Your responses to the advice offered thus far
by myself, Jeff, Hugh and others all suggest that you lack the ability to
compartmentalize and clearly structure your approach to Windows programming.
They also suggest that you lack proper humility, a trait that is absolutely
essential to anyone attempting to work with Windows. Your being naive, your
being ignorant of basic precepts with regard to Windows, your not knowing how to
do various things--these are not crimes. Your rather cavalier attitude towards
the information and assistance provided thus far is.

Now, there are a number of reasons I can see for your having lead yourself
astray (with some help from one or two well-meaning but perhaps misguided
others.) One is your penchant for posting with slightly different names and
continuing what is essentially a single Case in separate threads. This makes it
difficult for those offering advice to realize the full context of your issue. I
have mostly covered the others reasons already--taken as a whole, your approach
to your problems has been a "shotgun", discontinuous approach. All I can suggest
is to sit down and *study* what you need to study, until you thoroughly
understand what you need to understand *before* actually doing anything. Make a
plan. Write down your problems, write down the sequence of events, and see if
*first* you can accurately get across to us what is happening, and what has
happened previously, in front of you. Read our previous contributions
completely, then read them again. Read your *own* posts, pretending that you
aren't you, but rather that you are someone who's never seen your system and has
no idea what's going on inside it--do *you* understand what you yourself wrote?
Do you get a clear picture of your situation from just reading what you wrote
here? Because the less detail you provide, the more we have to rely on
assumptions--like the one where at least some of us assumed that when you said
"uninstalled" you knew what that procedure meant and that you truly performed a
proper uninstall procedure. Now, I'm not so sure that was an accurate
assumption.

Here's your first task: Learn how to use these newsgroups properly. There are
several good tutorials, and there is one in particular that was recommended
recently, but I'm having a difficult time locating it. Perhaps some kind soul
with a better memory than mine will chime in here. Until then, here are a few
places to start:
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/resources.htm
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

I don't know if you'll be back. I hope so. But if you really want assistance,
you'll be doing yourself a favor if you leave your pride at home and realize one
thing: Most of the people here who are regular contributors have only one
goal--to help you help yourself. Ask yourself if it really makes sense that
total strangers would take the time to try and understand who you are and what
it is you need, to detail the steps you should take in order to repair or
otherwise enhance your Windows system, just so they could lord it over you, just
so they could be "patronizing". "Those people" know so much because they spent
years learning it. They don't have to "pootle around on sites like this". They
are here out of a sense of civic duty and because they like helping people.
Really, your latest posts to Jeff and Hugh are incredibly offensive, and show a
total lack respect for what these groups are all about. I hope that in
retrospect you'll agree. If not, I think you need to look for assistance
elsewhere.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"dockerx" wrote in message
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Thanks Hugh

I hope this keeps to the thread.

Whilst I have been grateful for everyones' help I don't
appreciate the slightly patronising tone of some of the
comments. If those people know so much how come they have
to pootle around on a site like this

Cheers to genuine fellow learners





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Hi dockerx,
Please don't feel offended by what you perceive to be a "patronizing"
attitude, though I understand what you mean. Most all of the souls that
frequent this NG have only good intentions.
The mere fact that you are asking so many questions regarding Registry work
demonstrates that:
1) You aren't very familiar with the Registry, but had the sense to ask
first--you are to be commended for that!
2) Because you lack the knowledge of the Registry, and it's importance to
the operation of your machine (but I'm sure you know now after Hugh's
explanation), many people would rather you not muck around in there.
Perhaps that's where the patronizing comes in.
The Registry is a truly "scary" thing; one shrouded in mystery. MS has not
been very good about "un-shrouding" that mystery.
If you are in a position to "play" around in the Registry, and are able to
recover in the event all does *not* go well, go for it. There is absolutely
no better way to learn!
Sometime soon, I'm gonna load W98 onto another HD, and just screw around
with the Registry, so *I'm* not afraid of it anymore.
P.S. You can take anything that Gary or Hugh says as gospel!
--
HTH,
Curt

W98 Support & Discussion:
http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
Windows How-tos and and Freewa
http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/
Windows Help & Discussion:
http://forum.aumha.org/

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Thanks Hugh

I hope this keeps to the thread.

Whilst I have been grateful for everyones' help I don't
appreciate the slightly patronising tone of some of the
comments. If those people know so much how come they have
to pootle around on a site like this

Cheers to genuine fellow learners





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Just a slight quibble with jeff and especially hugh.
This newsgroup is for people such as myself who do not
have expertise in this field but none the less keep
microsoft and Bill going.

I and others who write to the site do not appreciate being
preached to by conceited self declared 'afficionados' who
over rate themselves. Time for a little humility?

To all the others thanks for the replies