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  #1  
Old December 16th 11, 01:13 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,alt.windows98
98 Guy
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Default Strange problem with Firefox - all links point back to same page

This is Firefox 2.0.0.20.

I typically have many Firefox instances or windows open at any one time
(5 to 10 maybe). I tend to open a link "in a new window" instead of
opening in a new tab or just following the link in the same window. I
do this because it's faster to close the new instance or window when I'm
done with the page rather than hit the back button to go back to where I
was.

Something that's been happening over the past few months is that I'll
click on a link on a page but all it does is re-load the page I'm on.

When I hover over the link, I notice that instead of showing the "real"
link (in the bottom window-bar) it shows the URL of the page I'm on. So
clicking on any link on the page will simply re-load the page.

It's an interesting trick, but I'm getting tired of it.

If I close all firefox windows and start fresh, the problem goes away
(for a while anyways).

Any ideas what causes this behavior?
  #2  
Old January 22nd 12, 07:36 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy
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Default How to gain access to websites that require latest Java installed

Robert Macy wrote:

took a while to go through all those sites!

The most impressive is the commercial software from Java is 15MB and
the 'free' software from sourceforge is 223kB, and works!


I'm not sure if you're making a functional comparison between Java and
KernelEx - but just to be clear they do two very different things.

But yes, java is a larger download file.

I downloaded and installed kernelex, which required a unicode
install?! I know I had installed that earlier, but seems to do it
again.


Yes, KernelEx requires the windows 98 unicode update file from
Microsoft.

IE6 recognized the Java and the kernel and did open and navigate
that sample website.


What version of the Java JRE do you have (or should I ask - which
version did you download and install?).

There is a trick to installing JRE version 6 update 8 and higher on
windows 98 systems.

You should not be using IE6 for general web-browsing. That browser has
been doing a horrible job of rending web content for the past 4 to 5
years.

I use Firefox version 2.0.0.20 on my win-98 systems. It's much more
compatible at rendering web content than IE6 is.

It can be downloaded from he

http://www.oldapps.com/firefox.php?o...fox=7?download

KernelEx can't help you run other versions of IE (like IE7, IE8, etc) on
Windows 98. IE6 is the last version that can run on Windows 98, and
I've said many times that win-98 users should have migrated or moved
away from IE 5 years ago and started to use Firefox - or Opera.

KernelEx allows win-98 to run recent versions of Firefox and Opera, but
I've had issues with version 3.x of firefox and haven't bothered to try
to resolve them since version 2.0.0.20 works good the vast majority of
the time. I have version 10 or 11 of Opera that I rarely use but I keep
on hand when I encounter a website I really want to access but my
version of firefox won't render properly.

You should install Java and Adobe Flash *after* you

1) install kernelEx
2) install firefox and/or Opera

There are some tricks to installing Java version 6 update 8 and higher.

There are some tricks to installing Flash also.

Next, got to figure out how to run M$ Silverlight to gain access
to the GIS maps that MY tax dollars pay for, but I don't benefit
from!


I don't believe that anyone has gotten silverlight to run under win-98.
Then again, I don't think many people have tried.

=========================
Java version 6 update 23:

http://kojo.googlecode.com/files/jre...ndows-i586.exe

Do not double-click that program to run it. Instead, go to Start, Run,
and enter this command:

jre-6u23-windows-i586.exe /s

You will be running it by invoking it using the /s (silent install)
command-line option. This is basically the only way to get it to
install itself on a win-98 system. You might have to add the
appropriate path to that line so you don't get a "file not found"
error. After it installs itself, the next step is this: Go to this
folder:

program files\Java\jre6\bin

and rename the directory called "nextgen-plugin-folder" to something
else (doesn't matter what you call it). The last step is this: Go to
your control panel, (start, settings, control panel), double-click on
Java, go to the Advanced tab, click on the (+) beside "Java Plug-in",
and remove the check in the "Enable the next-generation Java Plug-in"
box.
============================

Instructions for modifying Windows 98 for installation of Adobe Flash:

If this key does not exist, then create it:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion
In that key, create a new string value and call it "CurrentVersion".
For it's value, make it "5.2"

Navigate to this key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion
Change the value for Version from "Windows 98" to "Windows NT"
Change VersionNumber from "4.10.2222" to "5.20".

Remember - change the VALUE of those strings - don't change their NAMES
by renaming them. To change their value, right-click on them and select
MODIFY.

Then go to the Adobe website and download the flash installer:

http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/

But remove the check-mark for "Yes, install McAfee Security Scan Plus"
before hitting the download button.

After you install Flash, it's probably a good idea to go back to the
above registry settings and change them back to what they were
originally.
  #3  
Old January 23rd 12, 02:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Robert Macy[_2_]
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Posts: 92
Default How to gain access to websites that require latest Java installed

On Jan 22, 12:36*pm, 98 Guy wrote:
Robert Macy wrote:
took a while to go through all those sites!


The most impressive is the commercial software from Java is 15MB and
the 'free' software from sourceforge is 223kB, and works!


I'm not sure if you're making a functional comparison between Java and
KernelEx - but just to be clear they do two very different things.

But yes, java is a larger download file.

I downloaded and installed kernelex, which required a unicode
install?! *I know I had installed that earlier, but seems to do it
again.


Yes, KernelEx requires the windows 98 unicode update file from
Microsoft.

IE6 recognized the Java and the kernel and did open and navigate
that sample website.


What version of the Java JRE do you have (or should I ask - which
version did you download and install?).

There is a trick to installing JRE version 6 update 8 and higher on
windows 98 systems.

You should not be using IE6 for general web-browsing. *That browser has
been doing a horrible job of rending web content for the past 4 to 5
years.

I use Firefox version 2.0.0.20 on my win-98 systems. *It's much more
compatible at rendering web content than IE6 is.

It can be downloaded from he

http://www.oldapps.com/firefox.php?o...fox=7?download

KernelEx can't help you run other versions of IE (like IE7, IE8, etc) on
Windows 98. *IE6 is the last version that can run on Windows 98, and
I've said many times that win-98 users should have migrated or moved
away from IE 5 years ago and started to use Firefox - or Opera.

KernelEx allows win-98 to run recent versions of Firefox and Opera, but
I've had issues with version 3.x of firefox and haven't bothered to try
to resolve them since version 2.0.0.20 works good the vast majority of
the time. *I have version 10 or 11 of Opera that I rarely use but I keep
on hand when I encounter a website I really want to access but my
version of firefox won't render properly.

You should install Java and Adobe Flash *after* you

1) install kernelEx
2) install firefox and/or Opera

There are some tricks to installing Java version 6 update 8 and higher.

There are some tricks to installing Flash also.

Next, got to figure out how to run M$ Silverlight to gain access
to the GIS maps that MY tax dollars pay for, but I don't benefit
from!


I don't believe that anyone has gotten silverlight to run under win-98.
Then again, I don't think many people have tried.

=========================
Java version 6 update 23:

http://kojo.googlecode.com/files/jre...ndows-i586.exe

Do not double-click that program to run it. *Instead, go to Start, Run,
and enter this command:

jre-6u23-windows-i586.exe /s

You will be running it by invoking it using the /s (silent install)
command-line option. *This is basically the only way to get it to
install itself on a win-98 system. *You might have to add the
appropriate path to that line so you don't get a "file not found"
error. *After it installs itself, the next step is this: *Go to this
folder:

program files\Java\jre6\bin

and rename the directory called "nextgen-plugin-folder" to something
else (doesn't matter what you call it). *The last step is this: *Go to
your control panel, (start, settings, control panel), double-click on
Java, go to the Advanced tab, click on the (+) beside "Java Plug-in",
and remove the check in the "Enable the next-generation Java Plug-in"
box.
============================

Instructions for modifying Windows 98 for installation of Adobe Flash:

If this key does not exist, then create it:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion
In that key, create a new string value and call it "CurrentVersion".
For it's value, make it "5.2"

Navigate to this key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion
Change the value for Version from "Windows 98" to "Windows NT"
Change VersionNumber from "4.10.2222" to "5.20".

Remember - change the VALUE of those strings - don't change their NAMES
by renaming them. *To change their value, right-click on them and select
MODIFY.

Then go to the Adobe website and download the flash installer:

http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/

But remove the check-mark for "Yes, install McAfee Security Scan Plus"
before hitting the download button.

After you install Flash, it's probably a good idea to go back to the
above registry settings and change them back to what they were
originally.


Thank you for the DETAILED step by steps, Those steps are NOT
obvious.

For normal browsing I use Opera 9.64, but somehow it doesn't even know
I have Java installed. So I used IE6 to get by on these 'pesky'
websites, then it's back to Opera.

However, I have a new problem. octave 2.1.50 [which I NEED!] opens and
immediately closes now. I suspect that the kernelex may be doing
that, but don't know. I installed 1.5.11 and kernelex 4.5 ?? in that
sequence. After the jubilance of being able to browse one of the
websites wore off, I went back to work and !!!! window for octave
opens, then closes.

Any ideas? I will of course try uninstalling octave then reinstalling
since that is the simplest. but arrrrgggg!
  #4  
Old January 23rd 12, 11:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy
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Posts: 2,951
Default How to gain access to websites that require latest Java installed

Robert Macy wrote:

Thank you for the DETAILED step by steps, Those steps are NOT
obvious.

For normal browsing I use Opera 9.64, but somehow it doesn't even
know I have Java installed. So I used IE6 to get by on these
'pesky' websites, then it's back to Opera.


I think that there might be a problem with Opera and Java - at least
I've never gotten java working for the version of Opera that I have
(11.01).

I know there used to be a few die-hard (or blow-hardt) Opera fans here -
maybe they can help you get Java working.

There should be a Java applet under Start - Settings - Control Panel.
If you open it, and go to the Advanced tab, and expand the "Default Java
for browsers" section, you might see

Microsoft Internet Explorer
Mozilla Family

With a checkbox beside each one. Now, I've never seen "Opera" show up
in that list - maybe you have it, maybe not. If you do, and if it's not
checked, then put a check in the box.

And by the way, is there a reason why you're so insistent to NOT try
Firefox 2.0.0.20 instead of sticking to IE6?

You're really putting yourself at a disadvantage by not trying it. It
*does* work with Java and Flash.

However, I have a new problem. octave 2.1.50 [which I NEED!] opens
and immediately closes now. I suspect that the kernelex may be
doing that, but don't know. I installed 1.5.11 and kernelex 4.5 ??


Any ideas? I will of course try uninstalling octave then
reinstalling since that is the simplest. but arrrrgggg!


Use your file explorer and find the executable file for Octave, and
right-click on it and select properties.

When you have KernelEx installed on a win-98 system, any time you bring
up the file properties for code files (exe, dll, etc) you will see a new
tab labelled "KernelEx".

So find your Octave exe file, right-click and select properties, and
then click the KernelEx tab.

The basic option for all code files is "Use default compatibility
options".

To fix the problem with Octave, you can select either

- Disable KernelEx extensions
- use specific compaitiblity mode

I would first try to disable KernelEx, and if that doesn't work, try a
specific mode and select "Windows 98".

This is generally what you do when you have any application program that
doesn't run properly after you install KernelEx.
  #5  
Old January 24th 12, 03:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Robert Macy[_2_]
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Posts: 92
Default How to gain access to websites that require latest Java installed

On Jan 23, 4:05*pm, 98 Guy wrote:
Robert Macy wrote:
Thank you for the DETAILED step by steps, Those steps are NOT
obvious.


For normal browsing I use Opera 9.64, but somehow it doesn't even
know I have Java installed. *So I used IE6 to get by on these
'pesky' websites, then it's back to Opera.


I think that there might be a problem with Opera and Java - at least
I've never gotten java working for the version of Opera that I have
(11.01).

I know there used to be a few die-hard (or blow-hardt) Opera fans here -
maybe they can help you get Java working.

There should be a Java applet under Start - Settings - Control Panel.
If you open it, and go to the Advanced tab, and expand the "Default Java
for browsers" section, you might see

Microsoft Internet Explorer
Mozilla Family

With a checkbox beside each one. *Now, I've never seen "Opera" show up
in that list - maybe you have it, maybe not. *If you do, and if it's not
checked, then put a check in the box.

And by the way, is there a reason why you're so insistent to NOT try
Firefox 2.0.0.20 instead of sticking to IE6?

You're really putting yourself at a disadvantage by not trying it. *It
*does* work with Java and Flash.

However, I have a new problem. octave 2.1.50 [which I NEED!] opens
and immediately closes now. *I suspect that the kernelex may be
doing that, but don't know. *I installed 1.5.11 and kernelex 4.5 ??
Any ideas? *I will of course try uninstalling octave then
reinstalling since that is the simplest. but arrrrgggg!


Use your file explorer and find the executable file for Octave, and
right-click on it and select properties.

When you have KernelEx installed on a win-98 system, any time you bring
up the file properties for code files (exe, dll, etc) you will see a new
tab labelled "KernelEx".

So find your Octave exe file, right-click and select properties, and
then click the KernelEx tab.

The basic option for all code files is "Use default compatibility
options".

To fix the problem with Octave, you can select either

- Disable KernelEx extensions
- use specific compaitiblity mode

I would first try to disable KernelEx, and if that doesn't work, try a
specific mode and select "Windows 98".

This is generally what you do when you have any application program that
doesn't run properly after you install KernelEx.


guess time to use Firefox, as the 'extra' browser.

I installed KernelEx, found octave wouldn't work properly, so
uninstalled and reinstalled octave, thinking something was broken.

After doing that I then found that right clicking/properties on all
the shortcuts has a new tab, KernelEx! When I selected octave's
shortcut and checked disable, indeed octave opens and operates. BUT!
all the paths, and libraries aren't found now.

So, does that mean SEQUENCE is important, or will octave always lose
stuff now?

If I go back and uninstall KernelEX and then reinstall octave and then
reinstall KernelEx; it should work correctly. right?

But, this brings up interesting problems, suppose for some reason I
must start again:
Install KernelEx
Install program that NEEDS KernelEx
Need to install program 'pre'kernelex and program will not operate
properly if installed with KernelEx installed?
what happens if KernelEx is uninstalled out form under, say the flash
player? Does that cause a problem?

Or, Is it that everytime I want to reinstall a Win98 version of
something I need to remove EVERYTHING KernelEx needs and then remove
KernelEX and then reinstall everything back in exact sequence?

I guess the important question is:
Do you know if installing a Win98 program the program is badly
affected by having KernelEx already installed?
  #6  
Old January 24th 12, 04:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy
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Posts: 2,951
Default How to gain access to websites that require latest Java installed

Robert Macy wrote:

And by the way, is there a reason why you're so insistent to NOT
try Firefox 2.0.0.20 instead of sticking to IE6?


guess time to use Firefox, as the 'extra' browser.


Why is IE6 your "first" browser?

People using XP and higher have the "luxury" or ability to use more
recent versions of IE (like IE8) if they like IE. People using
win-9x/me don't have the ability to use more recent versions of IE -
they (we) are stuck with IE6.

And like I've said for several years now, IE6 is a horrible browser even
when compared to the 4-year-old version of Firefox (2.0.0.20).

I still want to know why you're so fixated on using IE6 as your default
or main web-browser. You must surely see how poorly it renders many web
pages.

When I selected octave's shortcut and checked disable, indeed
octave opens and operates. BUT! all the paths, and libraries
aren't found now.

So, does that mean SEQUENCE is important, or will octave always
lose stuff now?


KernelEx will -NOT- affect how or where an application program keeps
it's files and settings or the ability of a program to find it's own
files.

If you remember the instructions I gave you in a previous post - about
making a change in the registry that identifies which version of Windows
you have, and for the purpose of installing Flash to set that
information to make it seem that your system is running some version of
NT (specifically, Windows XP).

If you made those changes during the course of installing Flash, you
should then set that information back to what it was - to indicate that
your system is running Windows 98. If you don't, any new software you
install will think you are running NT/XP and will *probably* store user
and program data files in locations more consistent with NT/XP.

If I go back and uninstall KernelEX and then reinstall octave and then
reinstall KernelEx; it should work correctly. right?


Don't un-install kernelEx.

If you made the registry changes I mentioned in a previous post, then
now you must un-do them.

What you *SHOULD* do is un-install Octave, and then do this: Find the
Octave installation file (the one you launch to start the octave
installation process) and right-click on the file and select properties
and change it's KernelEx setting to "disable KernelEx extensions". That
way, it should install as if it's really on a win-98 system.

What KernelEx *might* do - as a side effect - is to give a program the
false impression that you're running XP. This can happen both during
the initial installation of the program and later during normal usage of
the program. Your Octave program, during installation, might think that
it's running on an XP system during installation. So you might have to
set the KernelEx properties of the installation file to "disable
KernelEx extentions".

But, this brings up interesting problems, suppose for some reason
I must start again:
Install KernelEx
Install program that NEEDS KernelEx
Need to install program 'pre'kernelex and program will not operate
properly if installed with KernelEx installed?
what happens if KernelEx is uninstalled out form under, say the flash
player? Does that cause a problem?


Once you install KernelEx, you should not un-install it.

For any pre-existing programs that don't work properly after KernelEx is
installed, you DON'T un-install those programs - instead you change
their kernelEx settings to "disable kernelEx extensions".

For any new programs you install later, if they don't install and run
properly the reason could be that:

(a) they are intended to be run on XP or higher and even kernelEx can't
help them run on a win-98 system, or

(b) they must have their installation program set to "disable kernelEx
extentions", or

(c) they are intended to be run on XP and higher, and KernelEx *can*
make it possible for them to run on a win-98 system, but the
installation process for them requires you to follow some specific
instructions (eg - Java and Flash) because the normal or default
installation method will not work.

Or, Is it that everytime I want to reinstall a Win98 version of
something I need to remove EVERYTHING KernelEx needs and then
remove KernelEX and then reinstall everything back in exact
sequence?


No. Definately not.

I guess the important question is:
Do you know if installing a Win98 program the program is badly
affected by having KernelEx already installed?


I have quite a bit of software on my win-98 systems (Office 2000,
Coreldraw, etc) and the installation of KernelEx did not affect those
programs.

I've been running KernelEx for about 3 years not, and have never needed
to un-install it, and I have installed many new programs since
installing KernelEx.
  #7  
Old January 25th 12, 04:59 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Robert Macy[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 92
Default How to gain access to websites that require latest Java installed

On Jan 24, 9:35*am, 98 Guy wrote:
Robert Macy wrote:
And by the way, is there a reason why you're so insistent to NOT
try Firefox 2.0.0.20 instead of sticking to IE6?


guess time to use Firefox, as the 'extra' browser.


Why is IE6 your "first" browser?

People using XP and higher have the "luxury" or ability to use more
recent versions of IE (like IE8) if they like IE. *People using
win-9x/me don't have the ability to use more recent versions of IE -
they (we) are stuck with IE6.

And like I've said for several years now, IE6 is a horrible browser even
when compared to the 4-year-old version of Firefox (2.0.0.20).

I still want to know why you're so fixated on using IE6 as your default
or main web-browser. *You must surely see how poorly it renders many web
pages.

When I selected octave's shortcut and checked disable, indeed
octave opens and operates. *BUT! all the paths, and libraries
aren't found now.


So, does that mean SEQUENCE is important, or will octave always
lose stuff now?


KernelEx will -NOT- affect how or where an application program keeps
it's files and settings or the ability of a program to find it's own
files.

If you remember the instructions I gave you in a previous post - about
making a change in the registry that identifies which version of Windows
you have, and for the purpose of installing Flash to set that
information to make it seem that your system is running some version of
NT (specifically, Windows XP).

If you made those changes during the course of installing Flash, you
should then set that information back to what it was - to indicate that
your system is running Windows 98. *If you don't, any new software you
install will think you are running NT/XP and will *probably* store user
and program data files in locations more consistent with NT/XP.

If I go back and uninstall KernelEX and then reinstall octave and then
reinstall KernelEx; it should work correctly. *right?


Don't un-install kernelEx.

If you made the registry changes I mentioned in a previous post, then
now you must un-do them.

What you *SHOULD* do is un-install Octave, and then do this: *Find the
Octave installation file (the one you launch to start the octave
installation process) and right-click on the file and select properties
and change it's KernelEx setting to "disable KernelEx extensions". *That
way, it should install as if it's really on a win-98 system.

What KernelEx *might* do - as a side effect - is to give a program the
false impression that you're running XP. *This can happen both during
the initial installation of the program and later during normal usage of
the program. *Your Octave program, during installation, might think that
it's running on an XP system during installation. *So you might have to
set the KernelEx properties of the installation file to "disable
KernelEx extentions".

But, this brings up interesting problems, suppose for some reason
I must start again:
Install KernelEx
Install program that NEEDS KernelEx
Need to install program 'pre'kernelex and program will not operate
properly if installed with KernelEx installed?
what happens if KernelEx is uninstalled out form under, say the flash
player? Does that cause a problem?


Once you install KernelEx, you should not un-install it.

For any pre-existing programs that don't work properly after KernelEx is
installed, you DON'T un-install those programs - instead you change
their kernelEx settings to "disable kernelEx extensions".

For any new programs you install later, if they don't install and run
properly the reason could be that:

(a) they are intended to be run on XP or higher and even kernelEx can't
help them run on a win-98 system, or

(b) they must have their installation program set to "disable kernelEx
extentions", or

(c) they are intended to be run on XP and higher, and KernelEx *can*
make it possible for them to run on a win-98 system, but the
installation process for them requires you to follow some specific
instructions (eg - Java and Flash) because the normal or default
installation method will not work.

Or, Is it that everytime I want to reinstall a Win98 version of
something I need to remove EVERYTHING KernelEx needs and then
remove KernelEX and then reinstall everything back in exact
sequence?


No. *Definately not.

I guess the important question is:
Do you know if installing a Win98 program the program is badly
affected by having KernelEx already installed?


I have quite a bit of software on my win-98 systems (Office 2000,
Coreldraw, etc) and the installation of KernelEx did not affect those
programs.

I've been running KernelEx for about 3 years not, and have never needed
to un-install it, and I have installed many new programs since
installing KernelEx.


Again Opera is my MAIN browser

Only fall back to IE6 when Opera fails, which is more often than I'd
like. Bt, those are once in awhile websites.

I 'think' I found the problems:
octave did not work at all because I did not know to right click,
select properties, and disable KernelEx.

Next, in the rush and crush to uninstall octave and reinstall octave I
then bypassed a slow section that was not quite done - containing PATH
and History etc When octave installs, it says it's done when it is
NOT! there are a couple of DOS screens that pop up and need to finish,
too. That is why octave 'almost worked' after disabling KernelEx.

Since I had not done a complete anything with kernelex. I had only
installed KernelEx, by itself, nothing else [that needed it] after
that; I uninstalled KernelEx. Reinstalled octave, taking my time, and
checking that it completely installed, yes. It runs FINE.

I now reinstalled KernelEx and am in the process of setting all 30 exe
files of octave to disable KernelEX.for them.I am pretty confident
everything for octave will be back to normal.

Will let you know.

If I use Opera to go that website to check Java version, it says zip,
nada, nyet! But, IE6 at the same website says Java 1.5.11

Which means I don't know how to set up Opera yet, although I use it
almost 100% of the time. One of my main gripes with Opera is that
setup is NOT intuitive, but USING Opera is incredibly intuitive, which
doesn't make sense.

Anyway the culmination is, octave after being properly/completely
installed works fine, just have to disable KernelEx.
  #8  
Old February 2nd 12, 06:53 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Lee
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Default How to gain access to websites that require latest Java installed

There is one minor sticking point with current Flash with KernelEx
use. In my case I could install a very high version, but can NOT use
it because my CPU doesn't have the internals to use the more modern
instructions required for said Flash of recent vintage.

I really can't believe that Java is any different in that regard, but
I hear nothing on that front at all. Especially to what versions
would be the maximum for the various defective CPUs of ancient
design. My MMX CPU is stuck with Flash 9 dot something and there
isn't anything that can be done about it except to plug in a different
computer and start using it instead. Definitely living in an
information vacuum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaming_SIMD_Extensions
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Old February 2nd 12, 01:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy
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Default How to gain access to websites that require latest Java installed

Lee wrote:

There is one minor sticking point with current Flash with KernelEx
use. In my case I could install a very high version, but can NOT
use it because my CPU doesn't have the internals to use the more
modern instructions required for said Flash of recent vintage.

I really can't believe that Java is any different in that regard,
but I hear nothing on that front at all. Especially to what
versions would be the maximum for the various defective CPUs of
ancient design. My MMX CPU is stuck with Flash 9 dot something


I don't want to sound too beligerant or condescending when I say this,
but I have no sympathy for anyone running win-98 on anything less than
an 800+ mhz P3, and by rights there is no excuse to NOT be running
win-98 on even a low-end P4 system.

For several years now, you could practically go to any garbage dump or
municipal waste electronics drop-off depot and walk away with the guts
or chasis of a P4 machine made in 2004 or 2005 and for about $50 add a
new hard drive and install win-98 on it.

I'm seeing refurbished IBM desktop machines with 512 mb ram, 40 gb hard
drive, 2.8 ghz P4 for sale at surplus electronics stores for $100 (and
they come with XP pre-installed). If you have your win-98 CD, it's just
a matter of re-formatting the drive and installing win-98 on them.

I really don't understand why people don't do themselves a favor and get
their head out of their ass and take their hard drive out of their P2
systems, throw the systems in the garbage and pick up a used or dis-used
or refurbished P4 machine.

I've been building DOS/Windows-based PC's from component parts since
1987, so putting together a PC from spare parts, and installing many
various versions of Windows from the boxes and boxes of Software CD's
that I have is second nature to me, so maybe I'm over-estimating the
computing IQ of people out there (like Lee) that are still running
Win-98 on original 12-year-old hardware.
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Old February 16th 12, 09:14 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Lee
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Default How to gain access to websites that require latest Java installed

On Feb 2, 6:46*am, 98 Guy wrote:
Lee wrote:
There is one minor sticking point with current Flash with KernelEx
use. *In my case I could install a very high version, but can NOT
use it because my CPU doesn't have the internals to use the more
modern instructions required for said Flash of recent vintage.


I really can't believe that Java is any different in that regard,
but I hear nothing on that front at all. *Especially to what
versions would be the maximum for the various defective CPUs of
ancient design. *My MMX CPU is stuck with Flash 9 dot something


I don't want to sound too beligerant or condescending when I say this,
but I have no sympathy for anyone running win-98 on anything less than
an 800+ mhz P3, and by rights there is no excuse to NOT be running
win-98 on even a low-end P4 system.

For several years now, you could practically go to any garbage dump or
municipal waste electronics drop-off depot and walk away with the guts
or chasis of a P4 machine made in 2004 or 2005 and for about $50 add a
new hard drive and install win-98 on it.

I'm seeing refurbished IBM desktop machines with 512 mb ram, 40 gb hard
drive, 2.8 ghz P4 for sale at surplus electronics stores for $100 (and
they come with XP pre-installed). *If you have your win-98 CD, it's just
a matter of re-formatting the drive and installing win-98 on them.

I really don't understand why people don't do themselves a favor and get
their head out of their ass and take their hard drive out of their P2
systems, throw the systems in the garbage and pick up a used or dis-used
or refurbished P4 machine.

I've been building DOS/Windows-based PC's from component parts since
1987, so putting together a PC from spare parts, and installing many
various versions of Windows from the boxes and boxes of Software CD's
that I have is second nature to me, so maybe I'm over-estimating the
computing IQ of people out there (like Lee) that are still running
Win-98 on original 12-year-old hardware.


Sorry to expose your prejudices in public like this, but the rural
poor really do have to live with dial up speeds and the decided lack
of decent 'give away' computers such as you describe. What I got
instead is a big city recycler who wants $800 for the system you
describe as walking away with me from some non-exsistant dump site.
They don't have drop-off depots at these rural, EPA compliant
landfills, just the recycler in the big city who wants $80 for a 5.25
inch floppy drive.

Right now my FireFox 2 does nothing so I suppose it's related to all
the above issues as in some unannounced requirement for a 350 MHz
minimum processor speed that I'll never find because the page won't
load for me. Or they, thinking like you and most of america, didn't
even bother to state that requirement since no-one would still be
using such an old computer these days. Back of the bus is the only
phrase missing. Color means nothing compared to poverty. Just how
hard did you TRY to understand in the first place? It's much easier
to insult anyone's intelligence than to actually use the gray matter,
you certainly proved that much.

Try 15 year old hardware that I built myself from JDR.com. I haven't
been able to afford another one since. Seriously. All I've ever been
given in the computer realm is 286s and 386s - I never did a thing
with them. So even that end is quite a bit lower than you could
possibly concieve of. Or you could just be one of those guys that
holds the bar up way too high - they tend to have kids that kill them
in their sleep, karma at work don't ya know. Nice way to go I hear,
but no real help for me around here. Insults plenty, real help zip.
 




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