On 9/13/19 9:39 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 14:15:11 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Eric Stevens
writes:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 09:18:53 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Eric Stevens
writes:
On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 23:13:33 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 21:01:13 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

When I see people with a decent sized widescreen monitor, and they use
it with windows maximised, I just want to cringe.

How then would you react to me with Windows spread over *two* 25" 3K
monitors? :-)

That depends how you use it! For example, if you open a word-processor,
is it maximised across both monitors? (-:
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I justify the use of two screens mainly for image processing:
PhotoShop and Light Room. Image on one screen and all the little
twiddly windows and dockers on another.

But having got two screens it is great (for example) to have Firefox
on one and Agent on the other. Again, a word processor on one and a
spread sheet on another with (searfch) Everything and several examples
of Windows Explorer tucked in a corner.

You use your resources intelligently! What Ken (and I) find cringeworthy
is people who use _maximised_ windows, i. e. a single application full
screen, on a large single monitor. (Especially if they don't realise
that isn't the only option; if they know and _choose_ to, that's their
choice.) [IME, people with two or more monitors usually know what
they're doing; I don't _think_ I've ever seen such a user with only two,
maximised, prog.s running.]

Hi, Char,

First, no flaming from me, I don't believe in that crap! LOL

I suppose it's obvious that there's a large dose of arrogance inhabiting
this particular offshoot of the overall thread, starting where Ken
admits to cringing when he sees someone use an application full screen,
on through comments such as "maybe they don't see the error of their
ways".

It depends on what you do after you cringe. G I haven't gone back
through the messages, but I don't think I said anything like "see the
error of their ways."

I think I've been kept in suspense long enough, so it's time to come
clean and tell me/everyone what's wrong with running an application
maximized? What's wrong with running multiple applications, each of them
maximized?

It depends on how you define "wrong". It's "wrong" to drive on the
wrong side of the road, against oncoming traffic. It's also "wrong" to
cheat on the lane lines where you may cause issues.

The first example is not how I see using maximized windows. The second
is closer, but I couldn't think of a real world analogy that matches
100%^ why I "cringe".

I see the maximized way of using your system as usually being less
efficient, and more time consuming, for the average user. And the
average user only has *one* monitor, not multiple monitors. For those
fortunate enough to have multiple monitors, the scenario changes.
Options are more numerous.

Let's assume you have one good size widescreen monitor, let's say 24".

You run everything maximized. You're working on 2 documents, and
copying text from one document to the other. Both documents are in
maximized windows. So...

1, Highlight and copy the desired text.
2. Locate and open the 2nd document.
3. Locate where the copied text goes, then paste.

You have just one monitor. Both document windows are no larger than
needed, ideally each is zoomed so both can be seen at the same time.

1. Highlight the desired text.
2. Drag and drop to the 2nd document.

Less time and effort required for the second scenario.

Both scenarios are mitigated by the software you use. I use a word
processor that has a tabbed UI for the open documents. I could run the
software in a maximized window, have two documents open in smaller
windows within the program's workspace.

Then, there's the scenario of copying from two different types of
software, say from a spreadsheet to a word processor.

I'm asking for two reasons. One, the unbridled arrogance just bothers
me, and two, my own use case is to use two and sometimes 3 displays,
where each display is likely to have an application running maximized.

And this scenario is not average. So, the maximized scenario doesn't
necessarily apply to you. For your work, it may be the best way to get
things done. Someone just posted about using something, Photoshop
maybe(?), where the project was on one display, and all the little
tweaking dialogs were n another display. In that scenario, that's
probably the best way, and the maximized window on one display isn't a
hindrance.

But, you and that user are fortunate enough to be able to afford 2 or
more monitors. Most people are not, and many businesses will not fund
multiple monitors.

About 80% of my applications are run in the maximized state, with the
other 20% (if that) in a windowed state. I use the task bar to switch
between them. Is that wrong?

Not wrong, but is it the most efficient way? That depends on the job at
hand.

Do I need to make each application's window
as small as reasonably possible so that I can fit more applications on
screen beside each other? So that each window is a tiny peephole through
which I need to scroll around to find what I need? Would that stop the
cringing and the snide comments?

Well, let's not go to extremes, here. LOL In the case of a single
monitor user, the hypothetical Photoshop example above is a case where
you could have a window that contains the image, with a bit of workspace
margin, and all the tweaking windows in the remainder of the monitor space.

I hope I don't get a reply along the lines of, "well, clearly you've
given it some thought and you're using what works best for you, but
those other clods clearly *haven't* given it any thought at all, and
they are just wrong." My question would be, how can you walk by
someone's desk or office and tell by looking whether they've given
something any thought?

In my case, I find this when I'm tutoring someone on an issue. I ask
why they do that, I don't tell them they are wrong. I want to ensure
they know they have options, and believe it or not, some don't know, and
to others, it never occurred to them.

Once I know *they* know they have options, then I don't care what they do.

In a way, this is no different than using keyboard shortcuts to do
something, or even a macro utility to automate something, rather than
the extra work of "mousing around". LOL

That's where the arrogance creeps in, or in this
case, spills in. It's the "I know better how everyone should use their
computer than they do" problem.

Thanks. I feel better. Flame away. :-)

G

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