Preserving the dates on folders (and files) when copying from anetwork share
A while ago I backed up my Win98SE computer's hard drive to a virtual
machine virutal disk drive. When I tried to copy everything back, the dates on the various folders were not preserved no matter what I did. Nor were the file dates preserved. Now that Windows is up and running after swapping hard drives, I'm trying to restore some files where dates were significant. It seems when I copy a file by itself or in groups of FILES, the dates are preserved, but if I include a folder the date modified gets set to the current date. How do I copy the folders so the modification dates are preserved? I tried to recall how to use the ms-dos style restore command, but restore /? yielded "bad command or filename" indicating it wasn't available, and Microsoft Backup only seems to work with their own backup files. The files I want are stored on a virtual hard drive, and I can share them with either a virtual windows 98SE (cloned from the real computer I'm trying to restore them to, I just boot the backup partition) or a Virtual Windows XP Professional computer. Even if I could access them from the host Vista 64 OS, trying to access a Vista share will make a Windows 98SE computer crash, either virtual or real. |
Preserving the dates on folders (and files) when copying from a network share
What copy procedures have you used?
Restore will not work, as that is a different procedure. As a last resort, it would be possible to copy back and let the copy create the folders, then use a Touch utility to fix the folder dates. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "SlickRCBD" wrote in message ... A while ago I backed up my Win98SE computer's hard drive to a virtual machine virutal disk drive. When I tried to copy everything back, the dates on the various folders were not preserved no matter what I did. Nor were the file dates preserved. Now that Windows is up and running after swapping hard drives, I'm trying to restore some files where dates were significant. It seems when I copy a file by itself or in groups of FILES, the dates are preserved, but if I include a folder the date modified gets set to the current date. How do I copy the folders so the modification dates are preserved? I tried to recall how to use the ms-dos style restore command, but restore /? yielded "bad command or filename" indicating it wasn't available, and Microsoft Backup only seems to work with their own backup files. The files I want are stored on a virtual hard drive, and I can share them with either a virtual windows 98SE (cloned from the real computer I'm trying to restore them to, I just boot the backup partition) or a Virtual Windows XP Professional computer. Even if I could access them from the host Vista 64 OS, trying to access a Vista share will make a Windows 98SE computer crash, either virtual or real. |
Preserving the dates on folders (and files) when copying from a network share
What copy procedures have you used?
Restore will not work, as that is a different procedure. As a last resort, it would be possible to copy back and let the copy create the folders, then use a Touch utility to fix the folder dates. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "SlickRCBD" wrote in message ... A while ago I backed up my Win98SE computer's hard drive to a virtual machine virutal disk drive. When I tried to copy everything back, the dates on the various folders were not preserved no matter what I did. Nor were the file dates preserved. Now that Windows is up and running after swapping hard drives, I'm trying to restore some files where dates were significant. It seems when I copy a file by itself or in groups of FILES, the dates are preserved, but if I include a folder the date modified gets set to the current date. How do I copy the folders so the modification dates are preserved? I tried to recall how to use the ms-dos style restore command, but restore /? yielded "bad command or filename" indicating it wasn't available, and Microsoft Backup only seems to work with their own backup files. The files I want are stored on a virtual hard drive, and I can share them with either a virtual windows 98SE (cloned from the real computer I'm trying to restore them to, I just boot the backup partition) or a Virtual Windows XP Professional computer. Even if I could access them from the host Vista 64 OS, trying to access a Vista share will make a Windows 98SE computer crash, either virtual or real. |
Preserving the dates on folders (and files) when copying from anetwork share
On Oct 19, 12:53*am, "Jeff Richards" wrote:
What copy procedures have you used? Restore will not work, as that is a different procedure. As a last resort, it would be possible to copy back and let the copy create the folders, then use a Touch utility to fix the folder dates. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)"SlickRCBD" wrote in message Whatever it is has to be automated, as among other things I was trying to restore my saved games for things like Baldur's Gate I/II where the dates affect the order the saved games appear, and by their nature they tend to be in order. I don't want to manually have to do over a hundred folders. I initially used XCOPY for everything. Then once I got Windows98 working on the new drive and noticed the problem, I tried the normal procedure of dragging from the network share to the folder they belonged. Next, I tried select all, copy, paste Then I got the idea to stick them in a solid WinRAR archive and decompress them to a folder. I figured I could just overwrite the ones with the bad dates. Even that didn't work, which surprised me. Give that there are "freshen" and other options in winRAR, I'd expect that to have worked. So, how do I preserve the dates on the folders? Some registry entry I need to change? I don't see anything in TweakUI. |
Preserving the dates on folders (and files) when copying from anetwork share
On Oct 19, 12:53*am, "Jeff Richards" wrote:
What copy procedures have you used? Restore will not work, as that is a different procedure. As a last resort, it would be possible to copy back and let the copy create the folders, then use a Touch utility to fix the folder dates. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)"SlickRCBD" wrote in message Whatever it is has to be automated, as among other things I was trying to restore my saved games for things like Baldur's Gate I/II where the dates affect the order the saved games appear, and by their nature they tend to be in order. I don't want to manually have to do over a hundred folders. I initially used XCOPY for everything. Then once I got Windows98 working on the new drive and noticed the problem, I tried the normal procedure of dragging from the network share to the folder they belonged. Next, I tried select all, copy, paste Then I got the idea to stick them in a solid WinRAR archive and decompress them to a folder. I figured I could just overwrite the ones with the bad dates. Even that didn't work, which surprised me. Give that there are "freshen" and other options in winRAR, I'd expect that to have worked. So, how do I preserve the dates on the folders? Some registry entry I need to change? I don't see anything in TweakUI. |
Preserving the dates on folders (and files) when copying from a network share
It's not a Windows issue. The copy procedure will use a Windows procedure
to create the folders it needs. The create folder process in W98 does not have any options for creating it as at a particular date, so it will get the current date. Files, OTOH, are copied, not created, so their date comes with them. If you use a copy procedure that copies folders instead of creating them then there would not be a problem. This is what disk imaging programs do - they just mindlessly copy the bits and don't concern themselves with the file system. You can't do that for a copy into an existing file system, of course. The copy procedure would have to use Windows to create the folder then update the folder details as appropriate. That's what copy functions in more advanced file systems do, because there are many folder settings other than the date that need to be restored. I am not aware of a copy procedure that will copy folder settings for a file system other than NTFS, but, as you state, I would have expected that a restore from archive might have done what you need. Perhaps you should investigate other archiving utilities, especially newer ones created when folder properties had become relevant, to see if any have options regarding restoring folder settings. It's not a technically difficult thing to do, it's just the the OS won't do it for you if you create, rather than copy, a folder.. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "SlickRCBD" wrote in message ... On Oct 19, 12:53 am, "Jeff Richards" wrote: What copy procedures have you used? Restore will not work, as that is a different procedure. As a last resort, it would be possible to copy back and let the copy create the folders, then use a Touch utility to fix the folder dates. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)"SlickRCBD" wrote in message Whatever it is has to be automated, as among other things I was trying to restore my saved games for things like Baldur's Gate I/II where the dates affect the order the saved games appear, and by their nature they tend to be in order. I don't want to manually have to do over a hundred folders. I initially used XCOPY for everything. Then once I got Windows98 working on the new drive and noticed the problem, I tried the normal procedure of dragging from the network share to the folder they belonged. Next, I tried select all, copy, paste Then I got the idea to stick them in a solid WinRAR archive and decompress them to a folder. I figured I could just overwrite the ones with the bad dates. Even that didn't work, which surprised me. Give that there are "freshen" and other options in winRAR, I'd expect that to have worked. So, how do I preserve the dates on the folders? Some registry entry I need to change? I don't see anything in TweakUI. |
Preserving the dates on folders (and files) when copying from a network share
It's not a Windows issue. The copy procedure will use a Windows procedure to create the folders it needs. The create folder process in W98 does not have any options for creating it as at a particular date, so it will get the current date. Files, OTOH, are copied, not created, so their date comes with them. If you use a copy procedure that copies folders instead of creating them then there would not be a problem. This is what disk imaging programs do - they just mindlessly copy the bits and don't concern themselves with the file system. You can't do that for a copy into an existing file system, of course. The copy procedure would have to use Windows to create the folder then update the folder details as appropriate. That's what copy functions in more advanced file systems do, because there are many folder settings other than the date that need to be restored. I am not aware of a copy procedure that will copy folder settings for a file system other than NTFS, but, as you state, I would have expected that a restore from archive might have done what you need. Perhaps you should investigate other archiving utilities, especially newer ones created when folder properties had become relevant, to see if any have options regarding restoring folder settings. It's not a technically difficult thing to do, it's just the the OS won't do it for you if you create, rather than copy, a folder.. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "SlickRCBD" wrote in message ... On Oct 19, 12:53 am, "Jeff Richards" wrote: What copy procedures have you used? Restore will not work, as that is a different procedure. As a last resort, it would be possible to copy back and let the copy create the folders, then use a Touch utility to fix the folder dates. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)"SlickRCBD" wrote in message Whatever it is has to be automated, as among other things I was trying to restore my saved games for things like Baldur's Gate I/II where the dates affect the order the saved games appear, and by their nature they tend to be in order. I don't want to manually have to do over a hundred folders. I initially used XCOPY for everything. Then once I got Windows98 working on the new drive and noticed the problem, I tried the normal procedure of dragging from the network share to the folder they belonged. Next, I tried select all, copy, paste Then I got the idea to stick them in a solid WinRAR archive and decompress them to a folder. I figured I could just overwrite the ones with the bad dates. Even that didn't work, which surprised me. Give that there are "freshen" and other options in winRAR, I'd expect that to have worked. So, how do I preserve the dates on the folders? Some registry entry I need to change? I don't see anything in TweakUI. |
Preserving the dates on folders (and files) when copying from anetwork share
On Oct 21, 12:53 am, "Jeff Richards" wrote:
It's not a Windows issue. The copy procedure will use a Windows procedure to create the folders it needs. The create folder process in W98 does not have any options for creating it as at a particular date, so it will get the current date. Files, OTOH, are copied, not created, so their date comes with them. If you use a copy procedure that copies folders instead of creating them then there would not be a problem. This is what disk imaging programs do - they just mindlessly copy the bits and don't concern themselves with the file system. You can't do that for a copy into an existing file system, of course. The copy procedure would have to use Windows to create the folder then update the folder details as appropriate. That's what copy functions in more advanced file systems do, because there are many folder settings other than the date that need to be restored. I am not aware of a copy procedure that will copy folder settings for a file system other than NTFS, but, as you state, I would have expected that a restore from archive might have done what you need. Perhaps you should investigate other archiving utilities, especially newer ones created when folder properties had become relevant, to see if any have options regarding restoring folder settings. It's not a technically difficult thing to do, it's just the the OS won't do it for you if you create, rather than copy, a folder.. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)"SlickRCBD" wrote in message On my even older Macintosh, (Mac OS 8.6) folders decompress from Stuffit, ZIP, and early RAR archives. It wouldn't be that difficult to back up the things I've changed in the last month on the Win98 computer and restore from a disk image, but I do not own a copy of Ghost, the only imaging program I'm familiar with for Windows. Are there any free imaging programs I can use to make an image of the Virutal PC hard drive image and copy it from my Vista 64 Home Premium computer to my Windows 98SE computer via a Fast Ethernet connection? Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever tried Microsoft Backup to do a restore. Will using Microsoft Backup on the virutal machine allow me to use the output file on the real one? |
Preserving the dates on folders (and files) when copying from anetwork share
On Oct 21, 12:53 am, "Jeff Richards" wrote:
It's not a Windows issue. The copy procedure will use a Windows procedure to create the folders it needs. The create folder process in W98 does not have any options for creating it as at a particular date, so it will get the current date. Files, OTOH, are copied, not created, so their date comes with them. If you use a copy procedure that copies folders instead of creating them then there would not be a problem. This is what disk imaging programs do - they just mindlessly copy the bits and don't concern themselves with the file system. You can't do that for a copy into an existing file system, of course. The copy procedure would have to use Windows to create the folder then update the folder details as appropriate. That's what copy functions in more advanced file systems do, because there are many folder settings other than the date that need to be restored. I am not aware of a copy procedure that will copy folder settings for a file system other than NTFS, but, as you state, I would have expected that a restore from archive might have done what you need. Perhaps you should investigate other archiving utilities, especially newer ones created when folder properties had become relevant, to see if any have options regarding restoring folder settings. It's not a technically difficult thing to do, it's just the the OS won't do it for you if you create, rather than copy, a folder.. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)"SlickRCBD" wrote in message On my even older Macintosh, (Mac OS 8.6) folders decompress from Stuffit, ZIP, and early RAR archives. It wouldn't be that difficult to back up the things I've changed in the last month on the Win98 computer and restore from a disk image, but I do not own a copy of Ghost, the only imaging program I'm familiar with for Windows. Are there any free imaging programs I can use to make an image of the Virutal PC hard drive image and copy it from my Vista 64 Home Premium computer to my Windows 98SE computer via a Fast Ethernet connection? Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever tried Microsoft Backup to do a restore. Will using Microsoft Backup on the virutal machine allow me to use the output file on the real one? |
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