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Looking for a graphics driver solution for my Radeon 3850
Bill Blanton wrote:
"MEB" wrote in message ... Bill Blanton wrote: "sabun" wrote in message ... Thanks for your replies... @MEB: @Bill; Latest Radeon drivers for Win98/ME give support up to Radeon 9800; since my HD 3850 belongs to next generation I cannot use them. Furthermore, there is a driver named "Radeon Series" fails on installation. If you mean within the 98 VM, then that's expected as the virtual machine does not control the physical video adapter. Think about it.. how would the host OS and the virtual guest OS be able to use two different adapters. VMWare is painting the screen the same way any other windows program does. If you get only "16 colors" it's because the guest OS doesn't have the correct settings or isn't properly configured for its virtual adapter. And that could be drivers, but not the drivers you need for the physical hardware. The virtual machine uses emulated hardware. Lately (It was 0300 in the night, btw) I have discovered "VMWare add-ons; a generic graphics dirver gives support to higher resolutions and deeper colors. There it is :-). A better driver for the virtual hardware. Cool, so can he then perhaps setup a lower speed for the emulated processor? Or do you know of some way that might work with the speed issue? I don't know as much about VMWare as Virtual PC, but in VPC the processor is a special case of sorts, and is not fully emulated. The virtual OS basically runs full out on the physical CPU. (That is, as much as the host OS allows any program, taking into account CPU time slice distributions.) I don't know what effect it would have to install a program inside the VM that would "slow" the processor. I suspect it would work and it's definetly worth a try. It can't harm anything. Certainly not the physical hardware. Just back up the VM or don't "save it", if it gets trashed. Sounds reasonable, about what I have found while researching some of the Linux variants... Did you note any of the DirectX 9.0 issues in VPC or perhaps anything you might have noted regarding earlier versions of DirectX in it, or is that more specific to the older game usage perhaps? {of course that reflects you have run games, not saying you did or do, but it seems to be a reason many do use the VMs or emulators] -- MEB |
Looking for a graphics driver solution for my Radeon 3850
Bill Blanton wrote:
"MEB" wrote in message ... Bill Blanton wrote: "sabun" wrote in message ... Thanks for your replies... @MEB: @Bill; Latest Radeon drivers for Win98/ME give support up to Radeon 9800; since my HD 3850 belongs to next generation I cannot use them. Furthermore, there is a driver named "Radeon Series" fails on installation. If you mean within the 98 VM, then that's expected as the virtual machine does not control the physical video adapter. Think about it.. how would the host OS and the virtual guest OS be able to use two different adapters. VMWare is painting the screen the same way any other windows program does. If you get only "16 colors" it's because the guest OS doesn't have the correct settings or isn't properly configured for its virtual adapter. And that could be drivers, but not the drivers you need for the physical hardware. The virtual machine uses emulated hardware. Lately (It was 0300 in the night, btw) I have discovered "VMWare add-ons; a generic graphics dirver gives support to higher resolutions and deeper colors. There it is :-). A better driver for the virtual hardware. Cool, so can he then perhaps setup a lower speed for the emulated processor? Or do you know of some way that might work with the speed issue? I don't know as much about VMWare as Virtual PC, but in VPC the processor is a special case of sorts, and is not fully emulated. The virtual OS basically runs full out on the physical CPU. (That is, as much as the host OS allows any program, taking into account CPU time slice distributions.) I don't know what effect it would have to install a program inside the VM that would "slow" the processor. I suspect it would work and it's definetly worth a try. It can't harm anything. Certainly not the physical hardware. Just back up the VM or don't "save it", if it gets trashed. Sounds reasonable, about what I have found while researching some of the Linux variants... Did you note any of the DirectX 9.0 issues in VPC or perhaps anything you might have noted regarding earlier versions of DirectX in it, or is that more specific to the older game usage perhaps? {of course that reflects you have run games, not saying you did or do, but it seems to be a reason many do use the VMs or emulators] -- MEB |
Looking for a graphics driver solution for my Radeon 3850
"MEB" wrote in message ... Bill Blanton wrote: "MEB" wrote in message ... Bill Blanton wrote: "sabun" wrote in message ... Thanks for your replies... @MEB: @Bill; Latest Radeon drivers for Win98/ME give support up to Radeon 9800; since my HD 3850 belongs to next generation I cannot use them. Furthermore, there is a driver named "Radeon Series" fails on installation. If you mean within the 98 VM, then that's expected as the virtual machine does not control the physical video adapter. Think about it.. how would the host OS and the virtual guest OS be able to use two different adapters. VMWare is painting the screen the same way any other windows program does. If you get only "16 colors" it's because the guest OS doesn't have the correct settings or isn't properly configured for its virtual adapter. And that could be drivers, but not the drivers you need for the physical hardware. The virtual machine uses emulated hardware. Lately (It was 0300 in the night, btw) I have discovered "VMWare add-ons; a generic graphics dirver gives support to higher resolutions and deeper colors. There it is :-). A better driver for the virtual hardware. Cool, so can he then perhaps setup a lower speed for the emulated processor? Or do you know of some way that might work with the speed issue? I don't know as much about VMWare as Virtual PC, but in VPC the processor is a special case of sorts, and is not fully emulated. The virtual OS basically runs full out on the physical CPU. (That is, as much as the host OS allows any program, taking into account CPU time slice distributions.) I don't know what effect it would have to install a program inside the VM that would "slow" the processor. I suspect it would work and it's definetly worth a try. It can't harm anything. Certainly not the physical hardware. Just back up the VM or don't "save it", if it gets trashed. Sounds reasonable, about what I have found while researching some of the Linux variants... Did you note any of the DirectX 9.0 issues in VPC or perhaps anything you might have noted regarding earlier versions of DirectX in it, or is that more specific to the older game usage perhaps? {of course that reflects you have run games, not saying you did or do, but it seems to be a reason many do use the VMs or emulators] The last game I ran was Quake. ;-) Whatever version DirectX would have to be supported by the virtual video adapter. Commercial VM products such as VMWare and VPC typically emulate virtual hardware that is common and supported across many platforms. (read old) That negates the need to install "third party" manufacturer's drivers as the virtual OS usually has the neccessary drivers already included.. |
Looking for a graphics driver solution for my Radeon 3850
"MEB" wrote in message ... Bill Blanton wrote: "MEB" wrote in message ... Bill Blanton wrote: "sabun" wrote in message ... Thanks for your replies... @MEB: @Bill; Latest Radeon drivers for Win98/ME give support up to Radeon 9800; since my HD 3850 belongs to next generation I cannot use them. Furthermore, there is a driver named "Radeon Series" fails on installation. If you mean within the 98 VM, then that's expected as the virtual machine does not control the physical video adapter. Think about it.. how would the host OS and the virtual guest OS be able to use two different adapters. VMWare is painting the screen the same way any other windows program does. If you get only "16 colors" it's because the guest OS doesn't have the correct settings or isn't properly configured for its virtual adapter. And that could be drivers, but not the drivers you need for the physical hardware. The virtual machine uses emulated hardware. Lately (It was 0300 in the night, btw) I have discovered "VMWare add-ons; a generic graphics dirver gives support to higher resolutions and deeper colors. There it is :-). A better driver for the virtual hardware. Cool, so can he then perhaps setup a lower speed for the emulated processor? Or do you know of some way that might work with the speed issue? I don't know as much about VMWare as Virtual PC, but in VPC the processor is a special case of sorts, and is not fully emulated. The virtual OS basically runs full out on the physical CPU. (That is, as much as the host OS allows any program, taking into account CPU time slice distributions.) I don't know what effect it would have to install a program inside the VM that would "slow" the processor. I suspect it would work and it's definetly worth a try. It can't harm anything. Certainly not the physical hardware. Just back up the VM or don't "save it", if it gets trashed. Sounds reasonable, about what I have found while researching some of the Linux variants... Did you note any of the DirectX 9.0 issues in VPC or perhaps anything you might have noted regarding earlier versions of DirectX in it, or is that more specific to the older game usage perhaps? {of course that reflects you have run games, not saying you did or do, but it seems to be a reason many do use the VMs or emulators] The last game I ran was Quake. ;-) Whatever version DirectX would have to be supported by the virtual video adapter. Commercial VM products such as VMWare and VPC typically emulate virtual hardware that is common and supported across many platforms. (read old) That negates the need to install "third party" manufacturer's drivers as the virtual OS usually has the neccessary drivers already included.. |
Looking for a graphics driver solution for my Radeon 3850
Bill Blanton wrote:
"MEB" wrote in message ... Bill Blanton wrote: "MEB" wrote in message ... Bill Blanton wrote: "sabun" wrote in message ... Thanks for your replies... @MEB: @Bill; Latest Radeon drivers for Win98/ME give support up to Radeon 9800; since my HD 3850 belongs to next generation I cannot use them. Furthermore, there is a driver named "Radeon Series" fails on installation. If you mean within the 98 VM, then that's expected as the virtual machine does not control the physical video adapter. Think about it.. how would the host OS and the virtual guest OS be able to use two different adapters. VMWare is painting the screen the same way any other windows program does. If you get only "16 colors" it's because the guest OS doesn't have the correct settings or isn't properly configured for its virtual adapter. And that could be drivers, but not the drivers you need for the physical hardware. The virtual machine uses emulated hardware. Lately (It was 0300 in the night, btw) I have discovered "VMWare add-ons; a generic graphics dirver gives support to higher resolutions and deeper colors. There it is :-). A better driver for the virtual hardware. Cool, so can he then perhaps setup a lower speed for the emulated processor? Or do you know of some way that might work with the speed issue? I don't know as much about VMWare as Virtual PC, but in VPC the processor is a special case of sorts, and is not fully emulated. The virtual OS basically runs full out on the physical CPU. (That is, as much as the host OS allows any program, taking into account CPU time slice distributions.) I don't know what effect it would have to install a program inside the VM that would "slow" the processor. I suspect it would work and it's definetly worth a try. It can't harm anything. Certainly not the physical hardware. Just back up the VM or don't "save it", if it gets trashed. Sounds reasonable, about what I have found while researching some of the Linux variants... Did you note any of the DirectX 9.0 issues in VPC or perhaps anything you might have noted regarding earlier versions of DirectX in it, or is that more specific to the older game usage perhaps? {of course that reflects you have run games, not saying you did or do, but it seems to be a reason many do use the VMs or emulators] The last game I ran was Quake. ;-) Ahkay, I just installed Doom, DoomII, Quake, and a few others in the 9X partition a few weeks ago... gotta have something to take impending winter cabin fever away.. lots of other indoor stuff to do, but gratuitous violence seems to fit part of the need. Whatever version DirectX would have to be supported by the virtual video adapter. Commercial VM products such as VMWare and VPC typically emulate virtual hardware that is common and supported across many platforms. (read old) That negates the need to install "third party" manufacturer's drivers as the virtual OS usually has the necessary drivers already included.. So apparently neither of us can really provide much beyond what has already been presented, unless you've got more. Maybe someone else has some input per VMWare, and the game and speed issues. -- MEB |
Looking for a graphics driver solution for my Radeon 3850
Bill Blanton wrote:
"MEB" wrote in message ... Bill Blanton wrote: "MEB" wrote in message ... Bill Blanton wrote: "sabun" wrote in message ... Thanks for your replies... @MEB: @Bill; Latest Radeon drivers for Win98/ME give support up to Radeon 9800; since my HD 3850 belongs to next generation I cannot use them. Furthermore, there is a driver named "Radeon Series" fails on installation. If you mean within the 98 VM, then that's expected as the virtual machine does not control the physical video adapter. Think about it.. how would the host OS and the virtual guest OS be able to use two different adapters. VMWare is painting the screen the same way any other windows program does. If you get only "16 colors" it's because the guest OS doesn't have the correct settings or isn't properly configured for its virtual adapter. And that could be drivers, but not the drivers you need for the physical hardware. The virtual machine uses emulated hardware. Lately (It was 0300 in the night, btw) I have discovered "VMWare add-ons; a generic graphics dirver gives support to higher resolutions and deeper colors. There it is :-). A better driver for the virtual hardware. Cool, so can he then perhaps setup a lower speed for the emulated processor? Or do you know of some way that might work with the speed issue? I don't know as much about VMWare as Virtual PC, but in VPC the processor is a special case of sorts, and is not fully emulated. The virtual OS basically runs full out on the physical CPU. (That is, as much as the host OS allows any program, taking into account CPU time slice distributions.) I don't know what effect it would have to install a program inside the VM that would "slow" the processor. I suspect it would work and it's definetly worth a try. It can't harm anything. Certainly not the physical hardware. Just back up the VM or don't "save it", if it gets trashed. Sounds reasonable, about what I have found while researching some of the Linux variants... Did you note any of the DirectX 9.0 issues in VPC or perhaps anything you might have noted regarding earlier versions of DirectX in it, or is that more specific to the older game usage perhaps? {of course that reflects you have run games, not saying you did or do, but it seems to be a reason many do use the VMs or emulators] The last game I ran was Quake. ;-) Ahkay, I just installed Doom, DoomII, Quake, and a few others in the 9X partition a few weeks ago... gotta have something to take impending winter cabin fever away.. lots of other indoor stuff to do, but gratuitous violence seems to fit part of the need. Whatever version DirectX would have to be supported by the virtual video adapter. Commercial VM products such as VMWare and VPC typically emulate virtual hardware that is common and supported across many platforms. (read old) That negates the need to install "third party" manufacturer's drivers as the virtual OS usually has the necessary drivers already included.. So apparently neither of us can really provide much beyond what has already been presented, unless you've got more. Maybe someone else has some input per VMWare, and the game and speed issues. -- MEB |
Looking for a graphics driver solution for my Radeon 3850
In message , MEB
writes: Bill Blanton wrote: [] That negates the need to install "third party" manufacturer's drivers as the virtual OS usually has the necessary drivers already included.. So apparently neither of us can really provide much beyond what has already been presented, unless you've got more. Maybe someone else has some input per VMWare, and the game and speed issues. (Just for interest; I haven't played with virtual machines of any sort) Perhaps one of you who is running a virtual machine and _doesn't_ have the problem of it only giving VGA (640x480 16 colours) could go into Display Properties, and tell us what hardware the VM "thinks" it's driving? And, what the highest resolution/depth are available? And is that "virtual hardware" any relation to the actual video hardware on the host machine? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously outdated thoughts on PCs. ** "Bugger," said Pooh, feeling very annoyed. |
Looking for a graphics driver solution for my Radeon 3850
In message , MEB
writes: Bill Blanton wrote: [] That negates the need to install "third party" manufacturer's drivers as the virtual OS usually has the necessary drivers already included.. So apparently neither of us can really provide much beyond what has already been presented, unless you've got more. Maybe someone else has some input per VMWare, and the game and speed issues. (Just for interest; I haven't played with virtual machines of any sort) Perhaps one of you who is running a virtual machine and _doesn't_ have the problem of it only giving VGA (640x480 16 colours) could go into Display Properties, and tell us what hardware the VM "thinks" it's driving? And, what the highest resolution/depth are available? And is that "virtual hardware" any relation to the actual video hardware on the host machine? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously outdated thoughts on PCs. ** "Bugger," said Pooh, feeling very annoyed. |
Looking for a graphics driver solution for my Radeon 3850
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message ...
(Just for interest; I haven't played with virtual machines of any sort) Perhaps one of you who is running a virtual machine and _doesn't_ have the problem of it only giving VGA (640x480 16 colours) could go into Display Properties, and tell us what hardware the VM "thinks" it's driving? My VPC machines use a virtual S3 Trio 32/64 PCI. (The host box has a Radeon 9600. ) And, what the highest resolution/depth are available? My virtual 98 install allows for 32-bit color and 1600 x 1200 screen resolution, while the host currently only allows and is set at 1280 x 1024. If I set the virtual OS to 1600 x 1200, the window that it runs in is bigger than the physical monitor screen. There's no way to overcome the number of pixels allowed on the physical machine. You can't have two different resolutions on the same physical adpter, though you can emulate a different color depth. (you won't see any increase in color depth if the VM is set higher than the host) And is that "virtual hardware" any relation to the actual video hardware on the host machine? Only that you need the actual hardware to display what is on the virtual. The guest OS has no knowledge of the physical hardware. |
Looking for a graphics driver solution for my Radeon 3850
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message ...
(Just for interest; I haven't played with virtual machines of any sort) Perhaps one of you who is running a virtual machine and _doesn't_ have the problem of it only giving VGA (640x480 16 colours) could go into Display Properties, and tell us what hardware the VM "thinks" it's driving? My VPC machines use a virtual S3 Trio 32/64 PCI. (The host box has a Radeon 9600. ) And, what the highest resolution/depth are available? My virtual 98 install allows for 32-bit color and 1600 x 1200 screen resolution, while the host currently only allows and is set at 1280 x 1024. If I set the virtual OS to 1600 x 1200, the window that it runs in is bigger than the physical monitor screen. There's no way to overcome the number of pixels allowed on the physical machine. You can't have two different resolutions on the same physical adpter, though you can emulate a different color depth. (you won't see any increase in color depth if the VM is set higher than the host) And is that "virtual hardware" any relation to the actual video hardware on the host machine? Only that you need the actual hardware to display what is on the virtual. The guest OS has no knowledge of the physical hardware. |
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