W98 is so FAST !!

[RJK]

My brother (2nd of 4) bought himself, and his family an old PC with P166mmx
/ 1.2gb ST31277A hd 32mb EDO on 72 pin simms (4 modules / slots all
filled)...

system.dat had vanished... I reformatted it, (it tried to recover a bad
cluster / or just marked one out as bad - I was only half watching. Then I
glanced around to it, now and again as W98se went in,

....I've just had a "play" with it ...IT's REALLY SWIFT !!!!!! ...and with
only32mb of EDO in it , NOT 64mb ....I said THIRTY TWO !
There is an ATI Mach64 card in it and the Rage driver that W98se
installation stuffed in seem to be okay, I also notice a Yamaha OPLsax, or
something like that, sound driver has gone in.

What a shame W98se couldn't cope with the ISA modem that's in there :-)
....just kidding.

....but, it's all so OLD !!!!

regards, Richard

....I'll be building him a new one but, won't they be impressed when it's
returned all clean & luvly ! ...tiz for the kids Word / Excel etc. (no
internet) ...I'm not sitting here tweaking that lot up ..on that !!

[Curt Christianson]

Hi Richard,
I was forced to do a fresh install of W98SE last November. My machine is
older, and more underpowered than yours. But, you're right, a fresh install
*is* fast, even on an old machine!
--
Curt--and NOT the MVP Curt Christianson (I wish!)
W98 Support & Discussion:
http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
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http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/
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http://forum.aumha.org/

"RJK" > wrote in message
...
> My brother (2nd of 4) bought himself, and his family an old PC with
P166mmx
> / 1.2gb ST31277A hd 32mb EDO on 72 pin simms (4 modules / slots all
> filled)...
>
> system.dat had vanished... I reformatted it, (it tried to recover a bad
> cluster / or just marked one out as bad - I was only half watching. Then
I
> glanced around to it, now and again as W98se went in,
>
> ...I've just had a "play" with it ...IT's REALLY SWIFT !!!!!! ...and
with
> only32mb of EDO in it , NOT 64mb ....I said THIRTY TWO !
> There is an ATI Mach64 card in it and the Rage driver that W98se
> installation stuffed in seem to be okay, I also notice a Yamaha OPLsax, or
> something like that, sound driver has gone in.
>
> What a shame W98se couldn't cope with the ISA modem that's in there :-)
> ...just kidding.
>
> ...but, it's all so OLD !!!!
>
> regards, Richard
>
> ...I'll be building him a new one but, won't they be impressed when it's
> returned all clean & luvly ! ...tiz for the kids Word / Excel etc. (no
> internet) ...I'm not sitting here tweaking that lot up ..on that !!
>
>


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[Bert Kinney]

Hi RJK,

This is exactly why Win98 is the most used OS around. There
is a lot of old hardware still functioning that can not be upgraded
past Win98. And this is one of the reasons why MS extended the
support and security updates for two more years.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

--
Regards,
Bert Kinney [MS-MVP DTS]
http://dts-l.org/
How to Configure Outlook Express for Internet News:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=171164


"RJK" wrote
> My brother (2nd of 4) bought himself, and his family an old PC with
P166mmx
> / 1.2gb ST31277A hd 32mb EDO on 72 pin simms (4 modules / slots all
> filled)...
>
> system.dat had vanished... I reformatted it, (it tried to recover a bad
> cluster / or just marked one out as bad - I was only half watching. Then
I
> glanced around to it, now and again as W98se went in,
>
> ...I've just had a "play" with it ...IT's REALLY SWIFT !!!!!! ...and
with
> only32mb of EDO in it , NOT 64mb ....I said THIRTY TWO !
> There is an ATI Mach64 card in it and the Rage driver that W98se
> installation stuffed in seem to be okay, I also notice a Yamaha OPLsax, or
> something like that, sound driver has gone in.
>
> What a shame W98se couldn't cope with the ISA modem that's in there :-)
> ...just kidding.
>
> ...but, it's all so OLD !!!!
>
> regards, Richard
>
> ...I'll be building him a new one but, won't they be impressed when it's
> returned all clean & luvly ! ...tiz for the kids Word / Excel etc. (no
> internet) ...I'm not sitting here tweaking that lot up ..on that !!
>
>

[Curt Christianson]

Hi Bert,
What OS are you running while in this NG?
--
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W98 Support & Discussion:
http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
Windows How-tos and and Freeware:
http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/
Windows Help & Discussion:
http://forum.aumha.org/

"Bert Kinney" > wrote in message
...
> Hi RJK,
>
> This is exactly why Win98 is the most used OS around. There
> is a lot of old hardware still functioning that can not be upgraded
> past Win98. And this is one of the reasons why MS extended the
> support and security updates for two more years.
>
> Thanks for sharing your experience.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Bert Kinney [MS-MVP DTS]
> http://dts-l.org/
> How to Configure Outlook Express for Internet News:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=171164
>
>
> "RJK" wrote
> > My brother (2nd of 4) bought himself, and his family an old PC with
> P166mmx
> > / 1.2gb ST31277A hd 32mb EDO on 72 pin simms (4 modules / slots all
> > filled)...
> >
> > system.dat had vanished... I reformatted it, (it tried to recover a bad
> > cluster / or just marked one out as bad - I was only half watching.
Then
> I
> > glanced around to it, now and again as W98se went in,
> >
> > ...I've just had a "play" with it ...IT's REALLY SWIFT !!!!!! ...and
> with
> > only32mb of EDO in it , NOT 64mb ....I said THIRTY TWO !
> > There is an ATI Mach64 card in it and the Rage driver that W98se
> > installation stuffed in seem to be okay, I also notice a Yamaha OPLsax,
or
> > something like that, sound driver has gone in.
> >
> > What a shame W98se couldn't cope with the ISA modem that's in there :-)
> > ...just kidding.
> >
> > ...but, it's all so OLD !!!!
> >
> > regards, Richard
> >
> > ...I'll be building him a new one but, won't they be impressed when it's
> > returned all clean & luvly ! ...tiz for the kids Word / Excel etc. (no
> > internet) ...I'm not sitting here tweaking that lot up ..on that !!
> >
> >
>
>


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[RJK]

Curt and Bert - you're both correct of course, in both of your observations.

....and I couldn't resist it, I couldn't leave it alone ! DirectX8.1 has
gone in, (not chancing 9 in it !), IE6sp1 is in ...tweak ...tweak - can't do
a DUN connection yet, will have to pull that modem out after all ...trawl
....trawl :-) ...now for a couple of apps. while I trawl the web ...MGFX
Picture Publisher version 7 (didn't put in MS Paint / started conserving
space at installation time !), old but, not too big, and gorgeous in W98se
.....371mb's used 844mb's free, and there's so much more I'd like to do
....attempting to leave 4-5 mb's free ! I haven't had this much fun in
ages. XP Home ed. is lovely, and there's lots I like about it but, W98se is
like coming home.

regards, Richard


"Bert Kinney" > wrote in message
...
> Hi RJK,
>
> This is exactly why Win98 is the most used OS around. There
> is a lot of old hardware still functioning that can not be upgraded
> past Win98. And this is one of the reasons why MS extended the
> support and security updates for two more years.
>
> Thanks for sharing your experience.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Bert Kinney [MS-MVP DTS]
> http://dts-l.org/
> How to Configure Outlook Express for Internet News:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=171164
>
>
> "RJK" wrote
> > My brother (2nd of 4) bought himself, and his family an old PC with
> P166mmx
> > / 1.2gb ST31277A hd 32mb EDO on 72 pin simms (4 modules / slots all
> > filled)...
> >
> > system.dat had vanished... I reformatted it, (it tried to recover a bad
> > cluster / or just marked one out as bad - I was only half watching.
Then
> I
> > glanced around to it, now and again as W98se went in,
> >
> > ...I've just had a "play" with it ...IT's REALLY SWIFT !!!!!! ...and
> with
> > only32mb of EDO in it , NOT 64mb ....I said THIRTY TWO !
> > There is an ATI Mach64 card in it and the Rage driver that W98se
> > installation stuffed in seem to be okay, I also notice a Yamaha OPLsax,
or
> > something like that, sound driver has gone in.
> >
> > What a shame W98se couldn't cope with the ISA modem that's in there :-)
> > ...just kidding.
> >
> > ...but, it's all so OLD !!!!
> >
> > regards, Richard
> >
> > ...I'll be building him a new one but, won't they be impressed when it's
> > returned all clean & luvly ! ...tiz for the kids Word / Excel etc. (no
> > internet) ...I'm not sitting here tweaking that lot up ..on that !!
> >
> >
>
>

[Curt Christianson]

Go for it Richard,
Have a blast!
--
Curt--and NOT the MVP Curt Christianson (I wish!)
W98 Support & Discussion:
http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
Windows How-tos and and Freeware:
http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/
Windows Help & Discussion:
http://forum.aumha.org/

"RJK" > wrote in message
...
> Curt and Bert - you're both correct of course, in both of your
observations.
>
> ...and I couldn't resist it, I couldn't leave it alone ! DirectX8.1 has
> gone in, (not chancing 9 in it !), IE6sp1 is in ...tweak ...tweak - can't
do
> a DUN connection yet, will have to pull that modem out after all ...trawl
> ...trawl :-) ...now for a couple of apps. while I trawl the web ...MGFX
> Picture Publisher version 7 (didn't put in MS Paint / started conserving
> space at installation time !), old but, not too big, and gorgeous in W98se
> ....371mb's used 844mb's free, and there's so much more I'd like to do
> ...attempting to leave 4-5 mb's free ! I haven't had this much fun in
> ages. XP Home ed. is lovely, and there's lots I like about it but, W98se
is
> like coming home.
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "Bert Kinney" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi RJK,
> >
> > This is exactly why Win98 is the most used OS around. There
> > is a lot of old hardware still functioning that can not be upgraded
> > past Win98. And this is one of the reasons why MS extended the
> > support and security updates for two more years.
> >
> > Thanks for sharing your experience.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Bert Kinney [MS-MVP DTS]
> > http://dts-l.org/
> > How to Configure Outlook Express for Internet News:
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=171164
> >
> >
> > "RJK" wrote
> > > My brother (2nd of 4) bought himself, and his family an old PC with
> > P166mmx
> > > / 1.2gb ST31277A hd 32mb EDO on 72 pin simms (4 modules / slots all
> > > filled)...
> > >
> > > system.dat had vanished... I reformatted it, (it tried to recover a
bad
> > > cluster / or just marked one out as bad - I was only half watching.
> Then
> > I
> > > glanced around to it, now and again as W98se went in,
> > >
> > > ...I've just had a "play" with it ...IT's REALLY SWIFT !!!!!!
....and
> > with
> > > only32mb of EDO in it , NOT 64mb ....I said THIRTY TWO !
> > > There is an ATI Mach64 card in it and the Rage driver that W98se
> > > installation stuffed in seem to be okay, I also notice a Yamaha
OPLsax,
> or
> > > something like that, sound driver has gone in.
> > >
> > > What a shame W98se couldn't cope with the ISA modem that's in there
:-)
> > > ...just kidding.
> > >
> > > ...but, it's all so OLD !!!!
> > >
> > > regards, Richard
> > >
> > > ...I'll be building him a new one but, won't they be impressed when
it's
> > > returned all clean & luvly ! ...tiz for the kids Word / Excel etc.
(no
> > > internet) ...I'm not sitting here tweaking that lot up ..on that !!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


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[ArtWilder]

That is why I am so passionate about 98+ (98SE). It is such a fun operating
system to upgrade, change and work with.

"RJK" > wrote in message
...
> Curt and Bert - you're both correct of course, in both of your
observations.
>
> ...and I couldn't resist it, I couldn't leave it alone ! DirectX8.1 has
> gone in, (not chancing 9 in it !), IE6sp1 is in ...tweak ...tweak - can't
do
> a DUN connection yet, will have to pull that modem out after all ...trawl
> ...trawl :-) ...now for a couple of apps. while I trawl the web ...MGFX
> Picture Publisher version 7 (didn't put in MS Paint / started conserving
> space at installation time !), old but, not too big, and gorgeous in W98se
> ....371mb's used 844mb's free, and there's so much more I'd like to do
> ...attempting to leave 4-5 mb's free ! I haven't had this much fun in
> ages. XP Home ed. is lovely, and there's lots I like about it but, W98se
is
> like coming home.
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "Bert Kinney" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi RJK,
> >
> > This is exactly why Win98 is the most used OS around. There
> > is a lot of old hardware still functioning that can not be upgraded
> > past Win98. And this is one of the reasons why MS extended the
> > support and security updates for two more years.
> >
> > Thanks for sharing your experience.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Bert Kinney [MS-MVP DTS]
> > http://dts-l.org/
> > How to Configure Outlook Express for Internet News:
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=171164
> >
> >
> > "RJK" wrote
> > > My brother (2nd of 4) bought himself, and his family an old PC with
> > P166mmx
> > > / 1.2gb ST31277A hd 32mb EDO on 72 pin simms (4 modules / slots all
> > > filled)...
> > >
> > > system.dat had vanished... I reformatted it, (it tried to recover a
bad
> > > cluster / or just marked one out as bad - I was only half watching.
> Then
> > I
> > > glanced around to it, now and again as W98se went in,
> > >
> > > ...I've just had a "play" with it ...IT's REALLY SWIFT !!!!!!
....and
> > with
> > > only32mb of EDO in it , NOT 64mb ....I said THIRTY TWO !
> > > There is an ATI Mach64 card in it and the Rage driver that W98se
> > > installation stuffed in seem to be okay, I also notice a Yamaha
OPLsax,
> or
> > > something like that, sound driver has gone in.
> > >
> > > What a shame W98se couldn't cope with the ISA modem that's in there
:-)
> > > ...just kidding.
> > >
> > > ...but, it's all so OLD !!!!
> > >
> > > regards, Richard
> > >
> > > ...I'll be building him a new one but, won't they be impressed when
it's
> > > returned all clean & luvly ! ...tiz for the kids Word / Excel etc.
(no
> > > internet) ...I'm not sitting here tweaking that lot up ..on that !!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[I'm Dan]

"Curt Christianson" > wrote:
> Hi Richard,
> I was forced to do a fresh install of W98SE last November. My machine
> is older, and more underpowered than yours. But, you're right, a fresh
> install *is* fast, even on an old machine!

One of my pet peeves is that whenever I see someone waxing on about how much
faster XP is, they are invariably comparing XP on *new* hardware against 98
on *old* hardware, and/or comparing a *fresh* XP install against an old,
bloated 98 install. IME, a fresh install of 98 is at least as fast as XP
even on newer hardware, and on older hardware or limited memory there's no
question that 98 is faster.

[Bert Kinney]

XP Pro on my notebook, and Win98se in MS Virtual PC for
reference. So both actually.

--
Regards,
Bert Kinney [MS-MVP DTS]
http://dts-l.org/
How to Configure Outlook Express for Internet News:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=171164

"Curt Christianson" wrote
> Hi Bert,
> What OS are you running while in this NG?

[Curt Christianson]

Thanks Bert,
Just wondering.
--
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W98 Support & Discussion:
http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
Windows How-tos and and Freeware:
http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/
Windows Help & Discussion:
http://forum.aumha.org/

"Bert Kinney" > wrote in message
...
> XP Pro on my notebook, and Win98se in MS Virtual PC for
> reference. So both actually.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Bert Kinney [MS-MVP DTS]
> http://dts-l.org/
> How to Configure Outlook Express for Internet News:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=171164
>
> "Curt Christianson" wrote
> > Hi Bert,
> > What OS are you running while in this NG?
>
>


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[sf]

On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 17:25:30 -0700, "I'm Dan"
> wrote:

>
> "Curt Christianson" > wrote:
> > Hi Richard,
> > I was forced to do a fresh install of W98SE last November. My machine
> > is older, and more underpowered than yours. But, you're right, a fresh
> > install *is* fast, even on an old machine!
>
> One of my pet peeves is that whenever I see someone waxing on about how much
> faster XP is, they are invariably comparing XP on *new* hardware against 98
> on *old* hardware, and/or comparing a *fresh* XP install against an old,
> bloated 98 install. IME, a fresh install of 98 is at least as fast as XP
> even on newer hardware, and on older hardware or limited memory there's no
> question that 98 is faster.
>
>
I use an XP at work that isn't overly bloated...I've just
added a few programs over Office compared to what I've
installed on my home Win98 and frankly... they are the same.
In fact, there are some things that I do where the wait is
noticeably longer than on my 98.

I'm not anti one or the other. I've configured XP to look
similar to 98, I can find everything easily.... it's a
different platform, not a better one - IMO. Of course, I'm
just looking at it from the user POV, not as anyone who
delves any deeper than installing new software.

BTW: I should probably scandisk and defrag it... if that's
wht you do. What sort of routine maintenance is appropriate
for XP?

TIA



Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[ArtWilder]

How do you like the fact that when they are comparing the two operating
systems they are using 98 in the original install without any updates. I
would like to see a real head-head comparision of XP Pro. with a fully
updated 98SE operating system.

"I'm Dan" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Curt Christianson" > wrote:
> > Hi Richard,
> > I was forced to do a fresh install of W98SE last November. My machine
> > is older, and more underpowered than yours. But, you're right, a fresh
> > install *is* fast, even on an old machine!
>
> One of my pet peeves is that whenever I see someone waxing on about how
much
> faster XP is, they are invariably comparing XP on *new* hardware against
98
> on *old* hardware, and/or comparing a *fresh* XP install against an old,
> bloated 98 install. IME, a fresh install of 98 is at least as fast as XP
> even on newer hardware, and on older hardware or limited memory there's no
> question that 98 is faster.
>
>
>

[Allen.Reny]

"ArtWilder" > a écrit dans le message de news: 39swc.45517$oi5.24354@fed1read07...
> That is why I am so passionate about 98+ (98SE). It is such a fun operating
> system to upgrade, change and work with.
>
====================================


My opinion :
XP is REALLY fine for the middle aged housewife.
I stay with Win98 SE (or Win 2000)

--
Allen Reny
http://www.a-reny.com

[Curt Christianson]

<snipped>
XP is REALLY fine for the middle aged housewife
<snip>

So much for P.C. (Politicly Correct) in this NG. <vbeg>

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Windows Help & Discussion:
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"Allen.Reny" > wrote in message
...
> "ArtWilder" > a écrit dans le message de news:
39swc.45517$oi5.24354@fed1read07...
> > That is why I am so passionate about 98+ (98SE). It is such a fun
operating
> > system to upgrade, change and work with.
> >
> ====================================
>
>
> My opinion :
> XP is REALLY fine for the middle aged housewife.
> I stay with Win98 SE (or Win 2000)
>
> --
> Allen Reny
> http://www.a-reny.com
>
>


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[Gary S. Terhune]

Same ones, sf. Use My Computer, right-click the drive, Properties, Tools
tab.

Note that Chkdsk (the checking utility) is seldom if ever needed unless some
particular issue suggests it, and Defrag is not anywhere *near* as critical
to good performance in XP as it is in 9x. I only CHKDSK when I'm bored, and
Defrag when I remember to, especially after doing major file reorganizations
or reprogramming chores.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 17:25:30 -0700, "I'm Dan"
> > wrote:

<snip>

> BTW: I should probably scandisk and defrag it... if that's
> wht you do. What sort of routine maintenance is appropriate
> for XP?
>
> TIA
>
>
>
> Practice safe eating - always use condiments

[RJK]

.....Having said all that, by the time I'd put in Office 2000 Premium, (was
going to go for Office97 but, that's looking a little dated now), put in a
firewall and a/v and made a DUN for my "anytime" dial up account, so that I
could update stuff (about 7mb's worth), ...didn't do any MS critical
updates! ...Kyodai and Scrabble, and a few other odds and ends ...and Norton
Utilities 2002 with all the "load at startup" modules switched off etc.
there's now only 500mb's free on that 1.2gb hd so I thought I'd better stop.

....the swap file and timer bottle are now the main features ! ...well, it
was while things were installing. What I now want to know is, where are all
those millions of 32mb 72pin EDO modules that have been superceded since
1992, and used to cost £499 + tax around that time ? If I could find four
of those for next to nothing it would make the thing hugely more responsive
:-) ...did anybody notice that I worded that last bit very carefully so as
not to get jumped on and told that "more memory does NOT make a micro
faster, it simply stops it from being as slow as it was." :-) ...mmm flame
and food for a humungously long hair splitting thread :-) ?!~!

regards, Richard


"RJK" > wrote in message
...
> Curt and Bert - you're both correct of course, in both of your
observations.
>
> ...and I couldn't resist it, I couldn't leave it alone ! DirectX8.1 has
> gone in, (not chancing 9 in it !), IE6sp1 is in ...tweak ...tweak - can't
do
> a DUN connection yet, will have to pull that modem out after all ...trawl
> ...trawl :-) ...now for a couple of apps. while I trawl the web ...MGFX
> Picture Publisher version 7 (didn't put in MS Paint / started conserving
> space at installation time !), old but, not too big, and gorgeous in W98se
> ....371mb's used 844mb's free, and there's so much more I'd like to do
> ...attempting to leave 4-5 mb's free ! I haven't had this much fun in
> ages. XP Home ed. is lovely, and there's lots I like about it but, W98se
is
> like coming home.
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "Bert Kinney" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi RJK,
> >
> > This is exactly why Win98 is the most used OS around. There
> > is a lot of old hardware still functioning that can not be upgraded
> > past Win98. And this is one of the reasons why MS extended the
> > support and security updates for two more years.
> >
> > Thanks for sharing your experience.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Bert Kinney [MS-MVP DTS]
> > http://dts-l.org/
> > How to Configure Outlook Express for Internet News:
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=171164
> >
> >
> > "RJK" wrote
> > > My brother (2nd of 4) bought himself, and his family an old PC with
> > P166mmx
> > > / 1.2gb ST31277A hd 32mb EDO on 72 pin simms (4 modules / slots all
> > > filled)...
> > >
> > > system.dat had vanished... I reformatted it, (it tried to recover a
bad
> > > cluster / or just marked one out as bad - I was only half watching.
> Then
> > I
> > > glanced around to it, now and again as W98se went in,
> > >
> > > ...I've just had a "play" with it ...IT's REALLY SWIFT !!!!!!
....and
> > with
> > > only32mb of EDO in it , NOT 64mb ....I said THIRTY TWO !
> > > There is an ATI Mach64 card in it and the Rage driver that W98se
> > > installation stuffed in seem to be okay, I also notice a Yamaha
OPLsax,
> or
> > > something like that, sound driver has gone in.
> > >
> > > What a shame W98se couldn't cope with the ISA modem that's in there
:-)
> > > ...just kidding.
> > >
> > > ...but, it's all so OLD !!!!
> > >
> > > regards, Richard
> > >
> > > ...I'll be building him a new one but, won't they be impressed when
it's
> > > returned all clean & luvly ! ...tiz for the kids Word / Excel etc.
(no
> > > internet) ...I'm not sitting here tweaking that lot up ..on that !!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[ArtWilder]

Well, I am finally ready. I plan to have a dual-boot system of 98SE and XP
Pro on two seperate hard drives. 98SE on a 40 gig. hard drive and XP Pro on
an 80 gigabyte hard drive. Upgraded motherboard, powersupply, cpu, video
card, new dvd burner, bought full XP Pro., etc. I am so excited about
having two operating systems. 98SE will be FAT32 while XP Pro. will be
NTFS --- exciting and thrilling. Any comments for me about this system. I
can start a new post if Richard is not finished telling us about his
exploits on getting an old 98 system up and running --- :> vbg LOL et. all
"RJK" > wrote in message
...
> ....Having said all that, by the time I'd put in Office 2000 Premium, (was
> going to go for Office97 but, that's looking a little dated now), put in a
> firewall and a/v and made a DUN for my "anytime" dial up account, so that
I
> could update stuff (about 7mb's worth), ...didn't do any MS critical
> updates! ...Kyodai and Scrabble, and a few other odds and ends ...and
Norton
> Utilities 2002 with all the "load at startup" modules switched off etc.
> there's now only 500mb's free on that 1.2gb hd so I thought I'd better
stop.
>
> ...the swap file and timer bottle are now the main features ! ...well, it
> was while things were installing. What I now want to know is, where are
all
> those millions of 32mb 72pin EDO modules that have been superceded since
> 1992, and used to cost £499 + tax around that time ? If I could find four
> of those for next to nothing it would make the thing hugely more
responsive
> :-) ...did anybody notice that I worded that last bit very carefully so
as
> not to get jumped on and told that "more memory does NOT make a micro
> faster, it simply stops it from being as slow as it was." :-) ...mmm
flame
> and food for a humungously long hair splitting thread :-) ?!~!
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "RJK" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Curt and Bert - you're both correct of course, in both of your
> observations.
> >
> > ...and I couldn't resist it, I couldn't leave it alone ! DirectX8.1 has
> > gone in, (not chancing 9 in it !), IE6sp1 is in ...tweak ...tweak -
can't
> do
> > a DUN connection yet, will have to pull that modem out after all
....trawl
> > ...trawl :-) ...now for a couple of apps. while I trawl the web
....MGFX
> > Picture Publisher version 7 (didn't put in MS Paint / started conserving
> > space at installation time !), old but, not too big, and gorgeous in
W98se
> > ....371mb's used 844mb's free, and there's so much more I'd like to do
> > ...attempting to leave 4-5 mb's free ! I haven't had this much fun in
> > ages. XP Home ed. is lovely, and there's lots I like about it but,
W98se
> is
> > like coming home.
> >
> > regards, Richard
> >
> >
> > "Bert Kinney" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Hi RJK,
> > >
> > > This is exactly why Win98 is the most used OS around. There
> > > is a lot of old hardware still functioning that can not be upgraded
> > > past Win98. And this is one of the reasons why MS extended the
> > > support and security updates for two more years.
> > >
> > > Thanks for sharing your experience.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > Bert Kinney [MS-MVP DTS]
> > > http://dts-l.org/
> > > How to Configure Outlook Express for Internet News:
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=171164
> > >
> > >
> > > "RJK" wrote
> > > > My brother (2nd of 4) bought himself, and his family an old PC with
> > > P166mmx
> > > > / 1.2gb ST31277A hd 32mb EDO on 72 pin simms (4 modules / slots all
> > > > filled)...
> > > >
> > > > system.dat had vanished... I reformatted it, (it tried to recover a
> bad
> > > > cluster / or just marked one out as bad - I was only half watching.
> > Then
> > > I
> > > > glanced around to it, now and again as W98se went in,
> > > >
> > > > ...I've just had a "play" with it ...IT's REALLY SWIFT !!!!!!
> ...and
> > > with
> > > > only32mb of EDO in it , NOT 64mb ....I said THIRTY TWO !
> > > > There is an ATI Mach64 card in it and the Rage driver that W98se
> > > > installation stuffed in seem to be okay, I also notice a Yamaha
> OPLsax,
> > or
> > > > something like that, sound driver has gone in.
> > > >
> > > > What a shame W98se couldn't cope with the ISA modem that's in there
> :-)
> > > > ...just kidding.
> > > >
> > > > ...but, it's all so OLD !!!!
> > > >
> > > > regards, Richard
> > > >
> > > > ...I'll be building him a new one but, won't they be impressed when
> it's
> > > > returned all clean & luvly ! ...tiz for the kids Word / Excel etc.
> (no
> > > > internet) ...I'm not sitting here tweaking that lot up ..on that !!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Bert Kinney]

My first thought would be Bootit NG, for multi booting, partition
management and imaging!
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/

This look rather tempting also!!!
Gigabyte K8NPRO nVidia3 Socket 754 Motherboard with AMD Athlon
64 3200+ Processor at TigerDirect.com:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=637331&Sku=MBM-K8NPRO-3200&CatId=1181

--
Regards,
Bert Kinney [MS-MVP DTS]
http://dts-l.org/
How to Configure Outlook Express for Internet News:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=171164


"ArtWilder" wrote
> Well, I am finally ready. I plan to have a dual-boot system of 98SE and
XP
> Pro on two seperate hard drives. 98SE on a 40 gig. hard drive and XP Pro
on
> an 80 gigabyte hard drive. Upgraded motherboard, powersupply, cpu, video
> card, new dvd burner, bought full XP Pro., etc. I am so excited about
> having two operating systems. 98SE will be FAT32 while XP Pro. will be
> NTFS --- exciting and thrilling. Any comments for me about this system.
I
> can start a new post if Richard is not finished telling us about his
> exploits on getting an old 98 system up and running --- :> vbg LOL et.
all
> "RJK" > wrote in message
> ...
> > ....Having said all that, by the time I'd put in Office 2000 Premium,
(was
> > going to go for Office97 but, that's looking a little dated now), put in
a
> > firewall and a/v and made a DUN for my "anytime" dial up account, so
that I
> > could update stuff (about 7mb's worth), ...didn't do any MS critical
> > updates! ...Kyodai and Scrabble, and a few other odds and ends ...and
Norton
> > Utilities 2002 with all the "load at startup" modules switched off etc.
> > there's now only 500mb's free on that 1.2gb hd so I thought I'd better
stop.
> >
> > ...the swap file and timer bottle are now the main features ! ...well,
it
> > was while things were installing. What I now want to know is, where are
all
> > those millions of 32mb 72pin EDO modules that have been superceded since
> > 1992, and used to cost £499 + tax around that time ? If I could find
four
> > of those for next to nothing it would make the thing hugely more
responsive
> > :-) ...did anybody notice that I worded that last bit very carefully so
as
> > not to get jumped on and told that "more memory does NOT make a micro
> > faster, it simply stops it from being as slow as it was." :-) ...mmm
flame
> > and food for a humungously long hair splitting thread :-) ?!~!
> >
> > regards, Richard

[RJK]

Hello Art,

I think you'll find that your excitement over having dual boot gradually
turns into at least a slightly disappointing realisation that one has to
spend much more time maintaining two platforms, than maintaining just one.

I had dual boot W98se / XP pro, for about a year, or was it two. I had
great fun making OE use the same message store in both platforms, and making
both use the same swapfile, temp variables etc. but, then, I gradually used
98se less and less, and used XP pro more and more. Then, I needed change my
PC innards and rearrange my drives and add a bigger 2nd hd, so after
pondering for ten minutes on the time required to tweak and maintain two
platforms to how I like them, I think I had a mini nervous breakdown and
scrapped the lot and rushed out and bought XP Home edition ! I didn't like
a lot of what I was reading about NTFS e.g.
http://www.digit-life.com/articles/ntfs/ so I prepared both my 80gb hd's
with FAT32 drives, installed W98se, then slapped in XP and "upgraded" to XP
Home rather than go for dual boot. And I've been happy ever since :-)
....but, it's still fun to tackle a W98se machine. I had to keep doing the
"going away" thing, because time goes much more slowly while you're waiting
for the system to come back !

regards, Richard


"ArtWilder" > wrote in message
news:Ml4xc.25888$My6.8640@fed1read05...
> Well, I am finally ready. I plan to have a dual-boot system of 98SE and
XP
> Pro on two seperate hard drives. 98SE on a 40 gig. hard drive and XP Pro
on
> an 80 gigabyte hard drive. Upgraded motherboard, powersupply, cpu, video
> card, new dvd burner, bought full XP Pro., etc. I am so excited about
> having two operating systems. 98SE will be FAT32 while XP Pro. will be
> NTFS --- exciting and thrilling. Any comments for me about this system.
I
> can start a new post if Richard is not finished telling us about his
> exploits on getting an old 98 system up and running --- :> vbg LOL et.
all
> "RJK" > wrote in message
> ...
> > ....Having said all that, by the time I'd put in Office 2000 Premium,
(was
> > going to go for Office97 but, that's looking a little dated now), put in
a
> > firewall and a/v and made a DUN for my "anytime" dial up account, so
that
> I
> > could update stuff (about 7mb's worth), ...didn't do any MS critical
> > updates! ...Kyodai and Scrabble, and a few other odds and ends ...and
> Norton
> > Utilities 2002 with all the "load at startup" modules switched off etc.
> > there's now only 500mb's free on that 1.2gb hd so I thought I'd better
> stop.
> >
> > ...the swap file and timer bottle are now the main features ! ...well,
it
> > was while things were installing. What I now want to know is, where are
> all
> > those millions of 32mb 72pin EDO modules that have been superceded since
> > 1992, and used to cost £499 + tax around that time ? If I could find
four
> > of those for next to nothing it would make the thing hugely more
> responsive
> > :-) ...did anybody notice that I worded that last bit very carefully so
> as
> > not to get jumped on and told that "more memory does NOT make a micro
> > faster, it simply stops it from being as slow as it was." :-) ...mmm
> flame
> > and food for a humungously long hair splitting thread :-) ?!~!
> >
> > regards, Richard
> >
> >
> > "RJK" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Curt and Bert - you're both correct of course, in both of your
> > observations.
> > >
> > > ...and I couldn't resist it, I couldn't leave it alone ! DirectX8.1
has
> > > gone in, (not chancing 9 in it !), IE6sp1 is in ...tweak ...tweak -
> can't
> > do
> > > a DUN connection yet, will have to pull that modem out after all
> ...trawl
> > > ...trawl :-) ...now for a couple of apps. while I trawl the web
> ...MGFX
> > > Picture Publisher version 7 (didn't put in MS Paint / started
conserving
> > > space at installation time !), old but, not too big, and gorgeous in
> W98se
> > > ....371mb's used 844mb's free, and there's so much more I'd like to
do
> > > ...attempting to leave 4-5 mb's free ! I haven't had this much fun
in
> > > ages. XP Home ed. is lovely, and there's lots I like about it but,
> W98se
> > is
> > > like coming home.
> > >
> > > regards, Richard
> > >
> > >
> > > "Bert Kinney" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Hi RJK,
> > > >
> > > > This is exactly why Win98 is the most used OS around. There
> > > > is a lot of old hardware still functioning that can not be upgraded
> > > > past Win98. And this is one of the reasons why MS extended the
> > > > support and security updates for two more years.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for sharing your experience.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Bert Kinney [MS-MVP DTS]
> > > > http://dts-l.org/
> > > > How to Configure Outlook Express for Internet News:
> > > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=171164
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "RJK" wrote
> > > > > My brother (2nd of 4) bought himself, and his family an old PC
with
> > > > P166mmx
> > > > > / 1.2gb ST31277A hd 32mb EDO on 72 pin simms (4 modules / slots
all
> > > > > filled)...
> > > > >
> > > > > system.dat had vanished... I reformatted it, (it tried to recover
a
> > bad
> > > > > cluster / or just marked one out as bad - I was only half
watching.
> > > Then
> > > > I
> > > > > glanced around to it, now and again as W98se went in,
> > > > >
> > > > > ...I've just had a "play" with it ...IT's REALLY SWIFT !!!!!!
> > ...and
> > > > with
> > > > > only32mb of EDO in it , NOT 64mb ....I said THIRTY TWO !
> > > > > There is an ATI Mach64 card in it and the Rage driver that W98se
> > > > > installation stuffed in seem to be okay, I also notice a Yamaha
> > OPLsax,
> > > or
> > > > > something like that, sound driver has gone in.
> > > > >
> > > > > What a shame W98se couldn't cope with the ISA modem that's in
there
> > :-)
> > > > > ...just kidding.
> > > > >
> > > > > ...but, it's all so OLD !!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > regards, Richard
> > > > >
> > > > > ...I'll be building him a new one but, won't they be impressed
when
> > it's
> > > > > returned all clean & luvly ! ...tiz for the kids Word / Excel
etc.
> > (no
> > > > > internet) ...I'm not sitting here tweaking that lot up ..on that
!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Bill in Co.]

Why did you install Win98SE first just prior to putting on XP? I assume
it's because you bought the Upgrade XP version of windows.

But by doing it this way, it wasn't really a clean install, right? How
much time were you on Win98SE before you upgraded it to XP, Richard?

RJK wrote:
> Hello Art,
>
> I think you'll find that your excitement over having dual boot gradually
> turns into at least a slightly disappointing realisation that one has to
> spend much more time maintaining two platforms, than maintaining just one.
>
> I had dual boot W98se / XP pro, for about a year, or was it two. I had
> great fun making OE use the same message store in both platforms, and
making
> both use the same swapfile, temp variables etc. but, then, I gradually
used
> 98se less and less, and used XP pro more and more. Then, I needed change
my
> PC innards and rearrange my drives and add a bigger 2nd hd, so after
> pondering for ten minutes on the time required to tweak and maintain two
> platforms to how I like them, I think I had a mini nervous breakdown and
> scrapped the lot and rushed out and bought XP Home edition ! I didn't
like
> a lot of what I was reading about NTFS e.g.
> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/ntfs/ so I prepared both my 80gb hd's
> with FAT32 drives, installed W98se, then slapped in XP and "upgraded" to
XP
> Home rather than go for dual boot. And I've been happy ever since :-)
> ...but, it's still fun to tackle a W98se machine. I had to keep doing the
> "going away" thing, because time goes much more slowly while you're
waiting
> for the system to come back !
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "ArtWilder" > wrote in message
> news:Ml4xc.25888$My6.8640@fed1read05...
>> Well, I am finally ready. I plan to have a dual-boot system of 98SE and
XP
>> Pro on two seperate hard drives. 98SE on a 40 gig. hard drive and XP Pro
on
>> an 80 gigabyte hard drive. Upgraded motherboard, powersupply, cpu, video
>> card, new dvd burner, bought full XP Pro., etc. I am so excited about
>> having two operating systems. 98SE will be FAT32 while XP Pro. will be
>> NTFS --- exciting and thrilling. Any comments for me about this system.
I
>> can start a new post if Richard is not finished telling us about his
>> exploits on getting an old 98 system up and running --- :> vbg LOL et.
all
>> "RJK" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> ....Having said all that, by the time I'd put in Office 2000 Premium,
(was
>>> going to go for Office97 but, that's looking a little dated now), put in
a
>>> firewall and a/v and made a DUN for my "anytime" dial up account, so
that I
>>> could update stuff (about 7mb's worth), ...didn't do any MS critical
>>> updates! ...Kyodai and Scrabble, and a few other odds and ends ...and
Norton
>>> Utilities 2002 with all the "load at startup" modules switched off etc.
>>> there's now only 500mb's free on that 1.2gb hd so I thought I'd better
stop.
>>>
>>> ...the swap file and timer bottle are now the main features ! ...well,
it
>>> was while things were installing. What I now want to know is, where are
all
>>> those millions of 32mb 72pin EDO modules that have been superceded since
>>> 1992, and used to cost £499 + tax around that time ? If I could find
four
>>> of those for next to nothing it would make the thing hugely more
responsive
>>> :-) ...did anybody notice that I worded that last bit very carefully so
as
>>> not to get jumped on and told that "more memory does NOT make a micro
>>> faster, it simply stops it from being as slow as it was." :-) ...mmm
flame
>>> and food for a humungously long hair splitting thread :-) ?!~!
>>>
>>> regards, Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> "RJK" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Curt and Bert - you're both correct of course, in both of your
>>>> observations.
>>>>
>>>> ...and I couldn't resist it, I couldn't leave it alone ! DirectX8.1
has
>>>> gone in, (not chancing 9 in it !), IE6sp1 is in ...tweak ...tweak -
can't
>>>> do a DUN connection yet, will have to pull that modem out after all
>>>> ...trawl ...trawl :-) ...now for a couple of apps. while I trawl the
>>>> web ...MGFX Picture Publisher version 7 (didn't put in MS Paint /
started
>>>> conserving space at installation time !), old but, not too big, and
>>>> gorgeous in W98se ....371mb's used 844mb's free, and there's so much
more
>>>> I'd like to do ...attempting to leave 4-5 mb's free ! I haven't had
this
>>>> much fun in ages. XP Home ed. is lovely, and there's lots I like about
it
>>>> but, W98se is like coming home.
>>>>
>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bert Kinney" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Hi RJK,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is exactly why Win98 is the most used OS around. There
>>>>> is a lot of old hardware still functioning that can not be upgraded
>>>>> past Win98. And this is one of the reasons why MS extended the
>>>>> support and security updates for two more years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for sharing your experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Bert Kinney [MS-MVP DTS]
>>>>> http://dts-l.org/
>>>>> How to Configure Outlook Express for Internet News:
>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=171164
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "RJK" wrote
>>>>>> My brother (2nd of 4) bought himself, and his family an old PC with
>>>>>> P166mmx / 1.2gb ST31277A hd 32mb EDO on 72 pin simms (4 modules /
slots
>>>>>> all filled)...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> system.dat had vanished... I reformatted it, (it tried to recover a
bad
>>>>>> cluster / or just marked one out as bad - I was only half
> watching.
>>>> Then
>>>>> I
>>>>>> glanced around to it, now and again as W98se went in,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...I've just had a "play" with it ...IT's REALLY SWIFT !!!!!! ...and
>>>>>> with only32mb of EDO in it , NOT 64mb ....I said THIRTY TWO !
>>>>>> There is an ATI Mach64 card in it and the Rage driver that W98se
>>>>>> installation stuffed in seem to be okay, I also notice a Yamaha
OPLsax,
>>>>>> or something like that, sound driver has gone in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What a shame W98se couldn't cope with the ISA modem that's in there
:-)
>>>>>> ...just kidding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...but, it's all so OLD !!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...I'll be building him a new one but, won't they be impressed when
it's
>>>>>> returned all clean & luvly ! ...tiz for the kids Word / Excel etc.
(no
>>>>>> internet) ...I'm not sitting here tweaking that lot up ..on that !!

[RJK]

Hello Bill,

You don't get the option, (during XP install), of installing XP onto a FAT32
drive unless XP detects a W98 installation on the drive where you're
attempting to install it. It's a while ago now but, I had a major fiddle,
and the only way I could get XP onto a FAT32 drive was to stuff in W98se and
then boot from the XP Home ed. cd and go for 'upgrade'. It wasn't all that
far off a clean install :-) ...I didn't bother to install any drivers into
W98se, just did the XP upgrade and carried on from there.

....I mainly did it like that so that I could use my older version of
Partition Magic, (which works okay in XP but, doesn't like NTFS drives), to
do a big batch job on my 2x80gb hd's, and also so that all my older hd
utility software still works, and for a lot of other reasons that seemed
good at the time :-)

regards, Richard


"Bill in Co." > wrote in message
...
> Why did you install Win98SE first just prior to putting on XP? I assume
> it's because you bought the Upgrade XP version of windows.
>
> But by doing it this way, it wasn't really a clean install, right? How
> much time were you on Win98SE before you upgraded it to XP, Richard?
>
> RJK wrote:
> > Hello Art,
> >
> > I think you'll find that your excitement over having dual boot gradually
> > turns into at least a slightly disappointing realisation that one has to
> > spend much more time maintaining two platforms, than maintaining just
one.
> >
> > I had dual boot W98se / XP pro, for about a year, or was it two. I had
> > great fun making OE use the same message store in both platforms, and
> making
> > both use the same swapfile, temp variables etc. but, then, I gradually
> used
> > 98se less and less, and used XP pro more and more. Then, I needed
change
> my
> > PC innards and rearrange my drives and add a bigger 2nd hd, so after
> > pondering for ten minutes on the time required to tweak and maintain two
> > platforms to how I like them, I think I had a mini nervous breakdown and
> > scrapped the lot and rushed out and bought XP Home edition ! I didn't
> like
> > a lot of what I was reading about NTFS e.g.
> > http://www.digit-life.com/articles/ntfs/ so I prepared both my 80gb hd's
> > with FAT32 drives, installed W98se, then slapped in XP and "upgraded" to
> XP
> > Home rather than go for dual boot. And I've been happy ever since :-)
> > ...but, it's still fun to tackle a W98se machine. I had to keep doing
the
> > "going away" thing, because time goes much more slowly while you're
> waiting
> > for the system to come back !
> >
> > regards, Richard
> >
> >
> > "ArtWilder" > wrote in message
> > news:Ml4xc.25888$My6.8640@fed1read05...
> >> Well, I am finally ready. I plan to have a dual-boot system of 98SE
and
> XP
> >> Pro on two seperate hard drives. 98SE on a 40 gig. hard drive and XP
Pro
> on
> >> an 80 gigabyte hard drive. Upgraded motherboard, powersupply, cpu,
video
> >> card, new dvd burner, bought full XP Pro., etc. I am so excited about
> >> having two operating systems. 98SE will be FAT32 while XP Pro. will be
> >> NTFS --- exciting and thrilling. Any comments for me about this
system.
> I
> >> can start a new post if Richard is not finished telling us about his
> >> exploits on getting an old 98 system up and running --- :> vbg LOL et.
> all
> >> "RJK" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> ....Having said all that, by the time I'd put in Office 2000 Premium,
> (was
> >>> going to go for Office97 but, that's looking a little dated now), put
in
> a
> >>> firewall and a/v and made a DUN for my "anytime" dial up account, so
> that I
> >>> could update stuff (about 7mb's worth), ...didn't do any MS critical
> >>> updates! ...Kyodai and Scrabble, and a few other odds and ends ...and
> Norton
> >>> Utilities 2002 with all the "load at startup" modules switched off
etc.
> >>> there's now only 500mb's free on that 1.2gb hd so I thought I'd better
> stop.
> >>>
> >>> ...the swap file and timer bottle are now the main features !
....well,
> it
> >>> was while things were installing. What I now want to know is, where
are
> all
> >>> those millions of 32mb 72pin EDO modules that have been superceded
since
> >>> 1992, and used to cost £499 + tax around that time ? If I could find
> four
> >>> of those for next to nothing it would make the thing hugely more
> responsive
> >>> :-) ...did anybody notice that I worded that last bit very carefully
so
> as
> >>> not to get jumped on and told that "more memory does NOT make a micro
> >>> faster, it simply stops it from being as slow as it was." :-) ...mmm
> flame
> >>> and food for a humungously long hair splitting thread :-) ?!~!
> >>>
> >>> regards, Richard
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "RJK" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> Curt and Bert - you're both correct of course, in both of your
> >>>> observations.
> >>>>
> >>>> ...and I couldn't resist it, I couldn't leave it alone ! DirectX8.1
> has
> >>>> gone in, (not chancing 9 in it !), IE6sp1 is in ...tweak ...tweak -
> can't
> >>>> do a DUN connection yet, will have to pull that modem out after all
> >>>> ...trawl ...trawl :-) ...now for a couple of apps. while I trawl
the
> >>>> web ...MGFX Picture Publisher version 7 (didn't put in MS Paint /
> started
> >>>> conserving space at installation time !), old but, not too big, and
> >>>> gorgeous in W98se ....371mb's used 844mb's free, and there's so much
> more
> >>>> I'd like to do ...attempting to leave 4-5 mb's free ! I haven't had
> this
> >>>> much fun in ages. XP Home ed. is lovely, and there's lots I like
about
> it
> >>>> but, W98se is like coming home.
> >>>>
> >>>> regards, Richard
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Bert Kinney" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>> Hi RJK,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is exactly why Win98 is the most used OS around. There
> >>>>> is a lot of old hardware still functioning that can not be upgraded
> >>>>> past Win98. And this is one of the reasons why MS extended the
> >>>>> support and security updates for two more years.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for sharing your experience.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Bert Kinney [MS-MVP DTS]
> >>>>> http://dts-l.org/
> >>>>> How to Configure Outlook Express for Internet News:
> >>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=171164
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "RJK" wrote
> >>>>>> My brother (2nd of 4) bought himself, and his family an old PC with
> >>>>>> P166mmx / 1.2gb ST31277A hd 32mb EDO on 72 pin simms (4 modules /
> slots
> >>>>>> all filled)...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> system.dat had vanished... I reformatted it, (it tried to recover a
> bad
> >>>>>> cluster / or just marked one out as bad - I was only half
> > watching.
> >>>> Then
> >>>>> I
> >>>>>> glanced around to it, now and again as W98se went in,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...I've just had a "play" with it ...IT's REALLY SWIFT !!!!!!
....and
> >>>>>> with only32mb of EDO in it , NOT 64mb ....I said THIRTY TWO !
> >>>>>> There is an ATI Mach64 card in it and the Rage driver that W98se
> >>>>>> installation stuffed in seem to be okay, I also notice a Yamaha
> OPLsax,
> >>>>>> or something like that, sound driver has gone in.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What a shame W98se couldn't cope with the ISA modem that's in there
> :-)
> >>>>>> ...just kidding.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...but, it's all so OLD !!!!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> regards, Richard
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...I'll be building him a new one but, won't they be impressed when
> it's
> >>>>>> returned all clean & luvly ! ...tiz for the kids Word / Excel etc.
> (no
> >>>>>> internet) ...I'm not sitting here tweaking that lot up ..on that !!
>
>

[ArtWilder]

Thanks Richard for the story and Bert for the weblink.

"RJK" > wrote in message
...
> Hello Bill,
>
> You don't get the option, (during XP install), of installing XP onto a
FAT32
> drive unless XP detects a W98 installation on the drive where you're
> attempting to install it. It's a while ago now but, I had a major fiddle,
> and the only way I could get XP onto a FAT32 drive was to stuff in W98se
and
> then boot from the XP Home ed. cd and go for 'upgrade'. It wasn't all
that
> far off a clean install :-) ...I didn't bother to install any drivers
into
> W98se, just did the XP upgrade and carried on from there.
>
> ...I mainly did it like that so that I could use my older version of
> Partition Magic, (which works okay in XP but, doesn't like NTFS drives),
to
> do a big batch job on my 2x80gb hd's, and also so that all my older hd
> utility software still works, and for a lot of other reasons that seemed
> good at the time :-)
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "Bill in Co." > wrote in message
> ...
> > Why did you install Win98SE first just prior to putting on XP? I
assume
> > it's because you bought the Upgrade XP version of windows.
> >
> > But by doing it this way, it wasn't really a clean install, right?
How
> > much time were you on Win98SE before you upgraded it to XP, Richard?
> >
> > RJK wrote:
> > > Hello Art,
> > >
> > > I think you'll find that your excitement over having dual boot
gradually
> > > turns into at least a slightly disappointing realisation that one has
to
> > > spend much more time maintaining two platforms, than maintaining just
> one.
> > >
> > > I had dual boot W98se / XP pro, for about a year, or was it two. I
had
> > > great fun making OE use the same message store in both platforms, and
> > making
> > > both use the same swapfile, temp variables etc. but, then, I gradually
> > used
> > > 98se less and less, and used XP pro more and more. Then, I needed
> change
> > my
> > > PC innards and rearrange my drives and add a bigger 2nd hd, so after
> > > pondering for ten minutes on the time required to tweak and maintain
two
> > > platforms to how I like them, I think I had a mini nervous breakdown
and
> > > scrapped the lot and rushed out and bought XP Home edition ! I didn't
> > like
> > > a lot of what I was reading about NTFS e.g.
> > > http://www.digit-life.com/articles/ntfs/ so I prepared both my 80gb
hd's
> > > with FAT32 drives, installed W98se, then slapped in XP and "upgraded"
to
> > XP
> > > Home rather than go for dual boot. And I've been happy ever since :-)
> > > ...but, it's still fun to tackle a W98se machine. I had to keep doing
> the
> > > "going away" thing, because time goes much more slowly while you're
> > waiting
> > > for the system to come back !
> > >
> > > regards, Richard
> > >
> > >
> > > "ArtWilder" > wrote in message
> > > news:Ml4xc.25888$My6.8640@fed1read05...
> > >> Well, I am finally ready. I plan to have a dual-boot system of 98SE
> and
> > XP
> > >> Pro on two seperate hard drives. 98SE on a 40 gig. hard drive and XP
> Pro
> > on
> > >> an 80 gigabyte hard drive. Upgraded motherboard, powersupply, cpu,
> video
> > >> card, new dvd burner, bought full XP Pro., etc. I am so excited
about
> > >> having two operating systems. 98SE will be FAT32 while XP Pro. will
be
> > >> NTFS --- exciting and thrilling. Any comments for me about this
> system.
> > I
> > >> can start a new post if Richard is not finished telling us about his
> > >> exploits on getting an old 98 system up and running --- :> vbg LOL
et.
> > all
> > >> "RJK" > wrote in message
> > >> ...
> > >>> ....Having said all that, by the time I'd put in Office 2000
Premium,
> > (was
> > >>> going to go for Office97 but, that's looking a little dated now),
put
> in
> > a
> > >>> firewall and a/v and made a DUN for my "anytime" dial up account, so
> > that I
> > >>> could update stuff (about 7mb's worth), ...didn't do any MS critical
> > >>> updates! ...Kyodai and Scrabble, and a few other odds and ends
....and
> > Norton
> > >>> Utilities 2002 with all the "load at startup" modules switched off
> etc.
> > >>> there's now only 500mb's free on that 1.2gb hd so I thought I'd
better
> > stop.
> > >>>
> > >>> ...the swap file and timer bottle are now the main features !
> ...well,
> > it
> > >>> was while things were installing. What I now want to know is, where
> are
> > all
> > >>> those millions of 32mb 72pin EDO modules that have been superceded
> since
> > >>> 1992, and used to cost £499 + tax around that time ? If I could
find
> > four
> > >>> of those for next to nothing it would make the thing hugely more
> > responsive
> > >>> :-) ...did anybody notice that I worded that last bit very
carefully
> so
> > as
> > >>> not to get jumped on and told that "more memory does NOT make a
micro
> > >>> faster, it simply stops it from being as slow as it was." :-)
....mmm
> > flame
> > >>> and food for a humungously long hair splitting thread :-) ?!~!
> > >>>
> > >>> regards, Richard
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> "RJK" > wrote in message
> > >>> ...
> > >>>> Curt and Bert - you're both correct of course, in both of your
> > >>>> observations.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ...and I couldn't resist it, I couldn't leave it alone !
DirectX8.1
> > has
> > >>>> gone in, (not chancing 9 in it !), IE6sp1 is in ...tweak ...tweak -
> > can't
> > >>>> do a DUN connection yet, will have to pull that modem out after
all
> > >>>> ...trawl ...trawl :-) ...now for a couple of apps. while I trawl
> the
> > >>>> web ...MGFX Picture Publisher version 7 (didn't put in MS Paint /
> > started
> > >>>> conserving space at installation time !), old but, not too big, and
> > >>>> gorgeous in W98se ....371mb's used 844mb's free, and there's so
much
> > more
> > >>>> I'd like to do ...attempting to leave 4-5 mb's free ! I haven't
had
> > this
> > >>>> much fun in ages. XP Home ed. is lovely, and there's lots I like
> about
> > it
> > >>>> but, W98se is like coming home.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> regards, Richard
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "Bert Kinney" > wrote in message
> > >>>> ...
> > >>>>> Hi RJK,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> This is exactly why Win98 is the most used OS around. There
> > >>>>> is a lot of old hardware still functioning that can not be
upgraded
> > >>>>> past Win98. And this is one of the reasons why MS extended the
> > >>>>> support and security updates for two more years.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks for sharing your experience.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>> Bert Kinney [MS-MVP DTS]
> > >>>>> http://dts-l.org/
> > >>>>> How to Configure Outlook Express for Internet News:
> > >>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=171164
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> "RJK" wrote
> > >>>>>> My brother (2nd of 4) bought himself, and his family an old PC
with
> > >>>>>> P166mmx / 1.2gb ST31277A hd 32mb EDO on 72 pin simms (4 modules /
> > slots
> > >>>>>> all filled)...
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> system.dat had vanished... I reformatted it, (it tried to recover
a
> > bad
> > >>>>>> cluster / or just marked one out as bad - I was only half
> > > watching.
> > >>>> Then
> > >>>>> I
> > >>>>>> glanced around to it, now and again as W98se went in,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ...I've just had a "play" with it ...IT's REALLY SWIFT !!!!!!
> ...and
> > >>>>>> with only32mb of EDO in it , NOT 64mb ....I said THIRTY TWO !
> > >>>>>> There is an ATI Mach64 card in it and the Rage driver that W98se
> > >>>>>> installation stuffed in seem to be okay, I also notice a Yamaha
> > OPLsax,
> > >>>>>> or something like that, sound driver has gone in.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> What a shame W98se couldn't cope with the ISA modem that's in
there
> > :-)
> > >>>>>> ...just kidding.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ...but, it's all so OLD !!!!
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> regards, Richard
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ...I'll be building him a new one but, won't they be impressed
when
> > it's
> > >>>>>> returned all clean & luvly ! ...tiz for the kids Word / Excel
etc.
> > (no
> > >>>>>> internet) ...I'm not sitting here tweaking that lot up ..on that
!!
> >
> >
>
>

[cquirke (MVP Win9x)]

On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:56:53 +0100, "RJK" >

>You don't get the option, (during XP install), of installing XP onto a FAT32
>drive unless XP detects a W98 installation on the drive where you're
>attempting to install it. It's a while ago now but, I had a major fiddle,
>and the only way I could get XP onto a FAT32 drive was to stuff in W98se and
>then boot from the XP Home ed. cd and go for 'upgrade'.

Not my mileage with XP Home. SOP is:

1) BING set up partitions (FAT32 primary, extd with FAT16 and FAT32)
2) Format C: /S from Win98SE boot diskette, to create C:\IO.SYS etc.
3) Install WInXP Home from DSP CD
4) Install Recovery Console from CD

I use a response file to set the OS base dir to something other than
"C:\Windows". For this to work, you must first create a C:\Windows,
else it will ignore your setting and install there anyway. When done,
you can delete the (empty) C:\Windows

>It wasn't all that far off a clean install :-)

Still too yucky for me - bleh! :-)



>-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
No, perfection is not an entrance requirement.
We'll settle for integrity and humility
>-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -

[RJK]

Ooops! What I meant was, and a couple of things I sort of found out the
hard way, backalong were:-

Booting from XP Home ed. cd:-
If hd has no partitions, the install to FAT32 option never appears, you get
NTFS - like it or lump it.
I think I tried to install to a FAT32 drive & it wouldn't have it, perhaps
because I didn't use the /s switch with format, as you point out, ...i
didn't think of that !
At one point I did boot from XP Home cd and got a blue DOS screen with lots
of options inc. FAT32 but, I got tired, in a muddle, probably slipped up
somewhere, overlooked something simple somewhere, and in the end "upgraded"
:-)

regards, Richard


"cquirke (MVP Win9x)" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:56:53 +0100, "RJK" >
>
> >You don't get the option, (during XP install), of installing XP onto a
FAT32
> >drive unless XP detects a W98 installation on the drive where you're
> >attempting to install it. It's a while ago now but, I had a major
fiddle,
> >and the only way I could get XP onto a FAT32 drive was to stuff in W98se
and
> >then boot from the XP Home ed. cd and go for 'upgrade'.
>
> Not my mileage with XP Home. SOP is:
>
> 1) BING set up partitions (FAT32 primary, extd with FAT16 and FAT32)
> 2) Format C: /S from Win98SE boot diskette, to create C:\IO.SYS etc.
> 3) Install WInXP Home from DSP CD
> 4) Install Recovery Console from CD
>
> I use a response file to set the OS base dir to something other than
> "C:\Windows". For this to work, you must first create a C:\Windows,
> else it will ignore your setting and install there anyway. When done,
> you can delete the (empty) C:\Windows
>
> >It wasn't all that far off a clean install :-)
>
> Still too yucky for me - bleh! :-)
>
>
>
> >-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
> No, perfection is not an entrance requirement.
> We'll settle for integrity and humility
> >-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -

[Bill in Co.]

On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:56:53 +0100, "RJK" >
>
>> You don't get the option, (during XP install), of installing XP onto a
FAT32
>> drive unless XP detects a W98 installation on the drive where you're
>> attempting to install it. It's a while ago now but, I had a major
fiddle,
>> and the only way I could get XP onto a FAT32 drive was to stuff in W98se
and
>> then boot from the XP Home ed. cd and go for 'upgrade'.

The reason you wanted to stick with FAT32 was to keep compatability with
some older utilities? (I am curious). Can you be more specific?

I was also thinking it would be nice to retain the capability of being able
to boot to a floppy boot disk (if something ever goes wrong, and you can't -
or don't want to - get into windows), which I think you lose, if you go the
NTFS route. Is that correct?

[RJK]

I don't know all that much about NTFS, other than bits I've read on various
web sites. One horror story I read talked about retrieving data files from
a busted XP platform that could not be repaired. To recover important data
files using something that looked similar to a DOS program, or if you
prefer, a program that could boot you XP machine and access the NTFS drive
and revover files without running XP, (because it's busted and
unrepairable), such as http://www.stellarinfo.com/download.htm

For the simple reason that an XP platform can get busted beyond repair, and
that good file recovery software was very expensive, I got really 'turned
off' regarding NTFS, when I had a good read about it - months ago. There
seems to be lots of file recovery software for NTFS nowadays that's also a
lot cheaper but, a lot of it seems to be intended for use on a working XP
platform. In any event I suspect you only get what you pay for !

regards, Richard


"Bill in Co." > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:56:53 +0100, "RJK" >
> >
> >> You don't get the option, (during XP install), of installing XP onto a
> FAT32
> >> drive unless XP detects a W98 installation on the drive where you're
> >> attempting to install it. It's a while ago now but, I had a major
> fiddle,
> >> and the only way I could get XP onto a FAT32 drive was to stuff in
W98se
> and
> >> then boot from the XP Home ed. cd and go for 'upgrade'.
>
> The reason you wanted to stick with FAT32 was to keep compatability with
> some older utilities? (I am curious). Can you be more specific?
>
> I was also thinking it would be nice to retain the capability of being
able
> to boot to a floppy boot disk (if something ever goes wrong, and you
can't -
> or don't want to - get into windows), which I think you lose, if you go
the
> NTFS route. Is that correct?
>
>

[RJK]

spell checked version !

I don't know all that much about NTFS, other than bits I've read on various
web sites. One horror story I read talked about retrieving data files from
a busted XP platform that could not be repaired. To recover important data
files using something that looked similar to a DOS program, or if you
prefer, a program that could boot your XP machine and access the NTFS drive
and recover files without running XP, (because it's busted and
unrepairable), such as http://www.stellarinfo.com/download.htm

For the simple reason that an XP platform can get busted beyond repair, and
that good file recovery software was very expensive, I got really 'turned
off' regarding NTFS, when I had a good read about it - months ago. There
seems to be lots of file recovery software for NTFS nowadays that's also a
lot cheaper but, a lot of it seems to be intended for use on a working XP
platform. In any event I suspect you only get what you pay for !

regards, Richard

"RJK" > wrote in message
...
> I don't know all that much about NTFS, other than bits I've read on
various
> web sites. One horror story I read talked about retrieving data files
from
> a busted XP platform that could not be repaired. To recover important
data
> files using something that looked similar to a DOS program, or if you
> prefer, a program that could boot you XP machine and access the NTFS drive
> and revover files without running XP, (because it's busted and
> unrepairable), such as http://www.stellarinfo.com/download.htm
>
> For the simple reason that an XP platform can get busted beyond repair,
and
> that good file recovery software was very expensive, I got really 'turned
> off' regarding NTFS, when I had a good read about it - months ago. There
> seems to be lots of file recovery software for NTFS nowadays that's also a
> lot cheaper but, a lot of it seems to be intended for use on a working XP
> platform. In any event I suspect you only get what you pay for !
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "Bill in Co." > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:56:53 +0100, "RJK" >
> > >
> > >> You don't get the option, (during XP install), of installing XP onto
a
> > FAT32
> > >> drive unless XP detects a W98 installation on the drive where you're
> > >> attempting to install it. It's a while ago now but, I had a major
> > fiddle,
> > >> and the only way I could get XP onto a FAT32 drive was to stuff in
> W98se
> > and
> > >> then boot from the XP Home ed. cd and go for 'upgrade'.
> >
> > The reason you wanted to stick with FAT32 was to keep compatability
with
> > some older utilities? (I am curious). Can you be more specific?
> >
> > I was also thinking it would be nice to retain the capability of being
> able
> > to boot to a floppy boot disk (if something ever goes wrong, and you
> can't -
> > or don't want to - get into windows), which I think you lose, if you go
> the
> > NTFS route. Is that correct?
> >
> >
>
>

[ArtWilder]

Cquirke, I am taking up your idea and sent it into Microsoft about a sequel
to MS-DOS and the maintenance operating system. Thanks for suggesting this
idea to me and I hope you do not mind that I used your suggestion. Much
Thanks -- :>

"cquirke (MVP Win9x)" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:56:53 +0100, "RJK" >
>
> >You don't get the option, (during XP install), of installing XP onto a
FAT32
> >drive unless XP detects a W98 installation on the drive where you're
> >attempting to install it. It's a while ago now but, I had a major
fiddle,
> >and the only way I could get XP onto a FAT32 drive was to stuff in W98se
and
> >then boot from the XP Home ed. cd and go for 'upgrade'.
>
> Not my mileage with XP Home. SOP is:
>
> 1) BING set up partitions (FAT32 primary, extd with FAT16 and FAT32)
> 2) Format C: /S from Win98SE boot diskette, to create C:\IO.SYS etc.
> 3) Install WInXP Home from DSP CD
> 4) Install Recovery Console from CD
>
> I use a response file to set the OS base dir to something other than
> "C:\Windows". For this to work, you must first create a C:\Windows,
> else it will ignore your setting and install there anyway. When done,
> you can delete the (empty) C:\Windows
>
> >It wasn't all that far off a clean install :-)
>
> Still too yucky for me - bleh! :-)
>
>
>
> >-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
> No, perfection is not an entrance requirement.
> We'll settle for integrity and humility
> >-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -

[ArtWilder]

I plan to have dual-boot
98SE on one hard disk -- Fat32
XP Pro full version on another hard disk -- NTFS
Compatibility with MS-DOS programs solved and able to run new stuff
solved --- Best of Both Worlds and am happy to still have true MS-DOS -- may
eventually tripple boot with MS-DOS 6.22 thrown in there too after my next
full format --- I'm loving computers again -- :> (Haven't given much
thought to Linux or Apple yet -- too much for me to learn in Windows and
MS-DOS right now but if Microsoft rubs me the wrong way too much then bye,
bye Windows and hello Linux and Apple :>)

"Bill in Co." > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:56:53 +0100, "RJK" >
> >
> >> You don't get the option, (during XP install), of installing XP onto a
> FAT32
> >> drive unless XP detects a W98 installation on the drive where you're
> >> attempting to install it. It's a while ago now but, I had a major
> fiddle,
> >> and the only way I could get XP onto a FAT32 drive was to stuff in
W98se
> and
> >> then boot from the XP Home ed. cd and go for 'upgrade'.
>
> The reason you wanted to stick with FAT32 was to keep compatability with
> some older utilities? (I am curious). Can you be more specific?
>
> I was also thinking it would be nice to retain the capability of being
able
> to boot to a floppy boot disk (if something ever goes wrong, and you
can't -
> or don't want to - get into windows), which I think you lose, if you go
the
> NTFS route. Is that correct?
>
>

[ArtWilder]

What about using GOBack Deluxe by Roxio (now Symantec -- they bought it to
solve your problem?)

"RJK" > wrote in message
...
> I don't know all that much about NTFS, other than bits I've read on
various
> web sites. One horror story I read talked about retrieving data files
from
> a busted XP platform that could not be repaired. To recover important
data
> files using something that looked similar to a DOS program, or if you
> prefer, a program that could boot you XP machine and access the NTFS drive
> and revover files without running XP, (because it's busted and
> unrepairable), such as http://www.stellarinfo.com/download.htm
>
> For the simple reason that an XP platform can get busted beyond repair,
and
> that good file recovery software was very expensive, I got really 'turned
> off' regarding NTFS, when I had a good read about it - months ago. There
> seems to be lots of file recovery software for NTFS nowadays that's also a
> lot cheaper but, a lot of it seems to be intended for use on a working XP
> platform. In any event I suspect you only get what you pay for !
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "Bill in Co." > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:56:53 +0100, "RJK" >
> > >
> > >> You don't get the option, (during XP install), of installing XP onto
a
> > FAT32
> > >> drive unless XP detects a W98 installation on the drive where you're
> > >> attempting to install it. It's a while ago now but, I had a major
> > fiddle,
> > >> and the only way I could get XP onto a FAT32 drive was to stuff in
> W98se
> > and
> > >> then boot from the XP Home ed. cd and go for 'upgrade'.
> >
> > The reason you wanted to stick with FAT32 was to keep compatability
with
> > some older utilities? (I am curious). Can you be more specific?
> >
> > I was also thinking it would be nice to retain the capability of being
> able
> > to boot to a floppy boot disk (if something ever goes wrong, and you
> can't -
> > or don't want to - get into windows), which I think you lose, if you go
> the
> > NTFS route. Is that correct?
> >
> >
>
>

[cquirke (MVP Win9x)]

On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:48:18 -0700, "ArtWilder" >

>What about using GOBack Deluxe by Roxio (now Symantec -- they bought it to
>solve your problem?)

Would likely be absolutely useless if the file system's barfed. That
approach ASSumes there's something sane to "go back" to :-)



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[cquirke (MVP Win9x)]

On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:42:01 -0700, "ArtWilder" >

>Cquirke, I am taking up your idea and sent it into Microsoft about a sequel
>to MS-DOS and the maintenance operating system. Thanks for suggesting this
>idea to me and I hope you do not mind that I used your suggestion.

It's a pleasure, and of course you can use it ;-)

You'd end up with a triple-boot between the Win98 DOS mode, XP, and
the XP Recovery Console. That gives the best maintainability, tho
certain crises would still require off-HD bootup. Several boot issues
that RC can address would also stop RC from HD-booting, etc.

Relevant clickfood:

http://cquirke.mvps.org/whatmos.htm - on maintenance OSs
http://cquirke.mvps.org/pccrisis.htm - on PC crisis management
http://cquirke.mvps.org - links from there on multi-boot strategies



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[ArtWilder]

Thanks for the weblinks.

"cquirke (MVP Win9x)" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:42:01 -0700, "ArtWilder" >
>
> >Cquirke, I am taking up your idea and sent it into Microsoft about a
sequel
> >to MS-DOS and the maintenance operating system. Thanks for suggesting
this
> >idea to me and I hope you do not mind that I used your suggestion.
>
> It's a pleasure, and of course you can use it ;-)
>
> You'd end up with a triple-boot between the Win98 DOS mode, XP, and
> the XP Recovery Console. That gives the best maintainability, tho
> certain crises would still require off-HD bootup. Several boot issues
> that RC can address would also stop RC from HD-booting, etc.
>
> Relevant clickfood:
>
> http://cquirke.mvps.org/whatmos.htm - on maintenance OSs
> http://cquirke.mvps.org/pccrisis.htm - on PC crisis management
> http://cquirke.mvps.org - links from there on multi-boot strategies
>
>
>
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