View Full Version : Restore/Norton Error
bhaviland
July 23rd 04, 01:30 AM
I reset windows to an earlier state to fix a problem but
forgot to stop Norton AV from running on startup and now
the Help Menu, System Restore, Contol Panel, My Network
Places, and various other windows and applications will
not open, display, and run correctly.
Dell tech has decided that a reformat is the only
solution. I don't want to, yet.
Is there any way, short of tracking down each system
malfunction and manually fixing them, to fix the ME
operating system?
Noel Paton
July 23rd 04, 05:34 AM
Have you tried undoing the Restore operation?
Have you tried uninstalling NAV?
Try "SCANREG /FIX" from Start|Run (or a DOS boot from floppy) - Windows
will reboot
--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"bhaviland" > wrote in message
...
> I reset windows to an earlier state to fix a problem but
> forgot to stop Norton AV from running on startup and now
> the Help Menu, System Restore, Contol Panel, My Network
> Places, and various other windows and applications will
> not open, display, and run correctly.
> Dell tech has decided that a reformat is the only
> solution. I don't want to, yet.
> Is there any way, short of tracking down each system
> malfunction and manually fixing them, to fix the ME
> operating system?
Yes I have tried those. Nada.
I forgot to mention that the machine will not respond to
keyboard input during startup; it only responds
with "keyboard error" or tries to start normally.
>-----Original Message-----
>Have you tried undoing the Restore operation?
>Have you tried uninstalling NAV?
>Try "SCANREG /FIX" from Start|Run (or a DOS boot from
floppy) - Windows
>will reboot
>
>--
>Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
>
>Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>
>Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
messages to NG's
>
>"bhaviland" > wrote
in message
...
>> I reset windows to an earlier state to fix a problem but
>> forgot to stop Norton AV from running on startup and now
>> the Help Menu, System Restore, Contol Panel, My Network
>> Places, and various other windows and applications will
>> not open, display, and run correctly.
>> Dell tech has decided that a reformat is the only
>> solution. I don't want to, yet.
>> Is there any way, short of tracking down each system
>> malfunction and manually fixing them, to fix the ME
>> operating system?
>
>
>.
>
One other thing: As I stated, System Restore does not
display or run properly, so undoing a previous restore is
not an option.
-bhaviland
>-----Original Message-----
>Have you tried undoing the Restore operation?
>Have you tried uninstalling NAV?
>Try "SCANREG /FIX" from Start|Run (or a DOS boot from
floppy) - Windows
>will reboot
>
>--
>Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
>
>Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>
>Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
messages to NG's
>
>"bhaviland" > wrote
in message
...
>> I reset windows to an earlier state to fix a problem but
>> forgot to stop Norton AV from running on startup and now
>> the Help Menu, System Restore, Contol Panel, My Network
>> Places, and various other windows and applications will
>> not open, display, and run correctly.
>> Dell tech has decided that a reformat is the only
>> solution. I don't want to, yet.
>> Is there any way, short of tracking down each system
>> malfunction and manually fixing them, to fix the ME
>> operating system?
>
>
>.
>
Mart
July 24th 04, 12:28 AM
If scanreg /fix doesn't help then - as a last resort - you *may* get away
with a scanreg /restore. It *might* just pull you out of the mire - at least
sufficiently to let you get the keyboard back.
Failing that - and maybe not quite so drastic as a format - you could try a
re-install.
See Noel's pages at :-
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/reinME.htm
Good luck
Mart
> wrote in message
...
> One other thing: As I stated, System Restore does not
> display or run properly, so undoing a previous restore is
> not an option.
> -bhaviland
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Have you tried undoing the Restore operation?
> >Have you tried uninstalling NAV?
> >Try "SCANREG /FIX" from Start|Run (or a DOS boot from
> floppy) - Windows
> >will reboot
> >
> >--
> >Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
> >
> >Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >
> >Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
> messages to NG's
> >
> >"bhaviland" > wrote
> in message
> ...
> >> I reset windows to an earlier state to fix a problem but
> >> forgot to stop Norton AV from running on startup and now
> >> the Help Menu, System Restore, Contol Panel, My Network
> >> Places, and various other windows and applications will
> >> not open, display, and run correctly.
> >> Dell tech has decided that a reformat is the only
> >> solution. I don't want to, yet.
> >> Is there any way, short of tracking down each system
> >> malfunction and manually fixing them, to fix the ME
> >> operating system?
> >
> >
> >.
> >
Noel Paton
July 24th 04, 05:48 AM
The thing that worries me is the 'keyboard error' at startup - it may simply
be that the system is responding normally because bhaviland is pressing the
'wrong' keys at the wrong time - or it could indicate a more serious
hardware fault.
bhaviland - what keys are you pressing at startup when you get the error?? -
the system is designed to respond only to a limited number of keys - usually
only DEL, ESC, F1,F5,F8 will produce anything other than a keyboard error.
--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"Mart" > wrote in message
...
> If scanreg /fix doesn't help then - as a last resort - you *may* get away
> with a scanreg /restore. It *might* just pull you out of the mire - at
least
> sufficiently to let you get the keyboard back.
>
> Failing that - and maybe not quite so drastic as a format - you could try
a
> re-install.
> See Noel's pages at :-
> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/reinME.htm
>
> Good luck
>
> Mart
>
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > One other thing: As I stated, System Restore does not
> > display or run properly, so undoing a previous restore is
> > not an option.
> > -bhaviland
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >Have you tried undoing the Restore operation?
> > >Have you tried uninstalling NAV?
> > >Try "SCANREG /FIX" from Start|Run (or a DOS boot from
> > floppy) - Windows
> > >will reboot
> > >
> > >--
> > >Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
> > >
> > >Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> > >http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> > >http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> > >
> > >Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
> > messages to NG's
> > >
> > >"bhaviland" > wrote
> > in message
> > ...
> > >> I reset windows to an earlier state to fix a problem but
> > >> forgot to stop Norton AV from running on startup and now
> > >> the Help Menu, System Restore, Contol Panel, My Network
> > >> Places, and various other windows and applications will
> > >> not open, display, and run correctly.
> > >> Dell tech has decided that a reformat is the only
> > >> solution. I don't want to, yet.
> > >> Is there any way, short of tracking down each system
> > >> malfunction and manually fixing them, to fix the ME
> > >> operating system?
> > >
> > >
> > >.
> > >
>
>
Mart
July 24th 04, 11:17 AM
Yes Noel, I did wonder about that myself but 'assumed' it to be 'post BIOS'
i.e. during the loading of the WinMe drivers (including the keyboard) with a
sufficiently damaged/corrupted registry that couldn't be 'Fixed'
Mart
"Noel Paton" > wrote in message
...
> The thing that worries me is the 'keyboard error' at startup - it may
simply
> be that the system is responding normally because bhaviland is pressing
the
> 'wrong' keys at the wrong time - or it could indicate a more serious
> hardware fault.
>
> bhaviland - what keys are you pressing at startup when you get the
error?? -
> the system is designed to respond only to a limited number of keys -
usually
> only DEL, ESC, F1,F5,F8 will produce anything other than a keyboard error.
>
>
> --
> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
>
> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>
> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>
> "Mart" > wrote in message
> ...
> > If scanreg /fix doesn't help then - as a last resort - you *may* get
away
> > with a scanreg /restore. It *might* just pull you out of the mire - at
> least
> > sufficiently to let you get the keyboard back.
> >
> > Failing that - and maybe not quite so drastic as a format - you could
try
> a
> > re-install.
> > See Noel's pages at :-
> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/reinME.htm
> >
> > Good luck
> >
> > Mart
> >
> >
> > > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > One other thing: As I stated, System Restore does not
> > > display or run properly, so undoing a previous restore is
> > > not an option.
> > > -bhaviland
> > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >Have you tried undoing the Restore operation?
> > > >Have you tried uninstalling NAV?
> > > >Try "SCANREG /FIX" from Start|Run (or a DOS boot from
> > > floppy) - Windows
> > > >will reboot
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
> > > >
> > > >Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> > > >http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> > > >http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> > > >
> > > >Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
> > > messages to NG's
> > > >
> > > >"bhaviland" > wrote
> > > in message
> > > ...
> > > >> I reset windows to an earlier state to fix a problem but
> > > >> forgot to stop Norton AV from running on startup and now
> > > >> the Help Menu, System Restore, Contol Panel, My Network
> > > >> Places, and various other windows and applications will
> > > >> not open, display, and run correctly.
> > > >> Dell tech has decided that a reformat is the only
> > > >> solution. I don't want to, yet.
> > > >> Is there any way, short of tracking down each system
> > > >> malfunction and manually fixing them, to fix the ME
> > > >> operating system?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >.
> > > >
> >
> >
>
>
I am not sure why the system would not respond to keyboard
input during startup, but it did go to the startup menu at
least one more time. Perhaps I was just not timing the
input correctly, though I tried many different techniques.
hehe.
I did end up re-installing Windows over the old OS. That
has solved the problems with the system, at least for a
while. My folders now take somewhat longer to open than
they used to.
Ultimately, I intend to get a copy of XP and install that
and give the machine to one of my daughters while my wife
and I get new machines. That way we will all be running
the same OS again.
Thanks for the replies.
-bhaviland
>-----Original Message-----
>Yes Noel, I did wonder about that myself but 'assumed' it
to be 'post BIOS'
>i.e. during the loading of the WinMe drivers (including
the keyboard) with a
>sufficiently damaged/corrupted registry that couldn't
be 'Fixed'
>
>Mart
>
>
>"Noel Paton" > wrote in
message
...
>> The thing that worries me is the 'keyboard error' at
startup - it may
>simply
>> be that the system is responding normally because
bhaviland is pressing
>the
>> 'wrong' keys at the wrong time - or it could indicate a
more serious
>> hardware fault.
>>
>> bhaviland - what keys are you pressing at startup when
you get the
>error?? -
>> the system is designed to respond only to a limited
number of keys -
>usually
>> only DEL, ESC, F1,F5,F8 will produce anything other
than a keyboard error.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
>>
>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>>
>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to
post messages to NG's
>>
>> "Mart" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > If scanreg /fix doesn't help then - as a last resort -
you *may* get
>away
>> > with a scanreg /restore. It *might* just pull you out
of the mire - at
>> least
>> > sufficiently to let you get the keyboard back.
>> >
>> > Failing that - and maybe not quite so drastic as a
format - you could
>try
>> a
>> > re-install.
>> > See Noel's pages at :-
>> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/reinME.htm
>> >
>> > Good luck
>> >
>> > Mart
>> >
>> >
>> > > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > One other thing: As I stated, System Restore does
not
>> > > display or run properly, so undoing a previous
restore is
>> > > not an option.
>> > > -bhaviland
>> > >
>> > > >-----Original Message-----
>> > > >Have you tried undoing the Restore operation?
>> > > >Have you tried uninstalling NAV?
>> > > >Try "SCANREG /FIX" from Start|Run (or a DOS boot
from
>> > > floppy) - Windows
>> > > >will reboot
>> > > >
>> > > >--
>> > > >Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
>> > > >
>> > > >Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> > > >http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>> > > >http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>> > > >
>> > > >Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how
to post
>> > > messages to NG's
>> > > >
>> > > >"bhaviland" >
wrote
>> > > in message
>> > > ...
>> > > >> I reset windows to an earlier state to fix a
problem but
>> > > >> forgot to stop Norton AV from running on startup
and now
>> > > >> the Help Menu, System Restore, Contol Panel, My
Network
>> > > >> Places, and various other windows and
applications will
>> > > >> not open, display, and run correctly.
>> > > >> Dell tech has decided that a reformat is the only
>> > > >> solution. I don't want to, yet.
>> > > >> Is there any way, short of tracking down each
system
>> > > >> malfunction and manually fixing them, to fix the
ME
>> > > >> operating system?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >.
>> > > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>.
>
Mart
July 28th 04, 12:13 AM
Thanks for the update, but just a little worried about your 'ultimate' goal.
Be sure to clear up ALL your WinMe issues BEFORE you attempt to upgrade it
to XP (unless you intend to do a clean install)
Good luck
Mart
> wrote in message
...
> I am not sure why the system would not respond to keyboard
> input during startup, but it did go to the startup menu at
> least one more time. Perhaps I was just not timing the
> input correctly, though I tried many different techniques.
> hehe.
> I did end up re-installing Windows over the old OS. That
> has solved the problems with the system, at least for a
> while. My folders now take somewhat longer to open than
> they used to.
> Ultimately, I intend to get a copy of XP and install that
> and give the machine to one of my daughters while my wife
> and I get new machines. That way we will all be running
> the same OS again.
> Thanks for the replies.
> -bhaviland
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Yes Noel, I did wonder about that myself but 'assumed' it
> to be 'post BIOS'
> >i.e. during the loading of the WinMe drivers (including
> the keyboard) with a
> >sufficiently damaged/corrupted registry that couldn't
> be 'Fixed'
> >
> >Mart
> >
> >
> >"Noel Paton" > wrote in
> message
> ...
> >> The thing that worries me is the 'keyboard error' at
> startup - it may
> >simply
> >> be that the system is responding normally because
> bhaviland is pressing
> >the
> >> 'wrong' keys at the wrong time - or it could indicate a
> more serious
> >> hardware fault.
> >>
> >> bhaviland - what keys are you pressing at startup when
> you get the
> >error?? -
> >> the system is designed to respond only to a limited
> number of keys -
> >usually
> >> only DEL, ESC, F1,F5,F8 will produce anything other
> than a keyboard error.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
> >>
> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >>
> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to
> post messages to NG's
> >>
> >> "Mart" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > If scanreg /fix doesn't help then - as a last resort -
> you *may* get
> >away
> >> > with a scanreg /restore. It *might* just pull you out
> of the mire - at
> >> least
> >> > sufficiently to let you get the keyboard back.
> >> >
> >> > Failing that - and maybe not quite so drastic as a
> format - you could
> >try
> >> a
> >> > re-install.
> >> > See Noel's pages at :-
> >> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/reinME.htm
> >> >
> >> > Good luck
> >> >
> >> > Mart
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> > > One other thing: As I stated, System Restore does
> not
> >> > > display or run properly, so undoing a previous
> restore is
> >> > > not an option.
> >> > > -bhaviland
> >> > >
> >> > > >-----Original Message-----
> >> > > >Have you tried undoing the Restore operation?
> >> > > >Have you tried uninstalling NAV?
> >> > > >Try "SCANREG /FIX" from Start|Run (or a DOS boot
> from
> >> > > floppy) - Windows
> >> > > >will reboot
> >> > > >
> >> > > >--
> >> > > >Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> > > >http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >> > > >http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how
> to post
> >> > > messages to NG's
> >> > > >
> >> > > >"bhaviland" >
> wrote
> >> > > in message
> >> > > ...
> >> > > >> I reset windows to an earlier state to fix a
> problem but
> >> > > >> forgot to stop Norton AV from running on startup
> and now
> >> > > >> the Help Menu, System Restore, Contol Panel, My
> Network
> >> > > >> Places, and various other windows and
> applications will
> >> > > >> not open, display, and run correctly.
> >> > > >> Dell tech has decided that a reformat is the only
> >> > > >> solution. I don't want to, yet.
> >> > > >> Is there any way, short of tracking down each
> system
> >> > > >> malfunction and manually fixing them, to fix the
> ME
> >> > > >> operating system?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >.
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >.
> >
bhaviland
July 29th 04, 08:49 PM
Yup, I intend to perform a crispy-clean install of XP.
One thing that I wish I would have written down is the
procedure for performing a debug operation before
installing an operating system.
That is one of the things that Dell tech usually helps
with when they are working with me on one of their systems
still under warranty.
Thanks.
>-----Original Message-----
>Thanks for the update, but just a little worried about
your 'ultimate' goal.
>Be sure to clear up ALL your WinMe issues BEFORE you
attempt to upgrade it
>to XP (unless you intend to do a clean install)
>
>Good luck
>
>Mart
>
>
>
> wrote in message
...
>> I am not sure why the system would not respond to
keyboard
>> input during startup, but it did go to the startup menu
at
>> least one more time. Perhaps I was just not timing the
>> input correctly, though I tried many different
techniques.
>> hehe.
>> I did end up re-installing Windows over the old OS. That
>> has solved the problems with the system, at least for a
>> while. My folders now take somewhat longer to open than
>> they used to.
>> Ultimately, I intend to get a copy of XP and install
that
>> and give the machine to one of my daughters while my
wife
>> and I get new machines. That way we will all be running
>> the same OS again.
>> Thanks for the replies.
>> -bhaviland
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Yes Noel, I did wonder about that myself but 'assumed'
it
>> to be 'post BIOS'
>> >i.e. during the loading of the WinMe drivers (including
>> the keyboard) with a
>> >sufficiently damaged/corrupted registry that couldn't
>> be 'Fixed'
>> >
>> >Mart
>> >
>> >
>> >"Noel Paton" > wrote in
>> message
>> ...
>> >> The thing that worries me is the 'keyboard error' at
>> startup - it may
>> >simply
>> >> be that the system is responding normally because
>> bhaviland is pressing
>> >the
>> >> 'wrong' keys at the wrong time - or it could
indicate a
>> more serious
>> >> hardware fault.
>> >>
>> >> bhaviland - what keys are you pressing at startup
when
>> you get the
>> >error?? -
>> >> the system is designed to respond only to a limited
>> number of keys -
>> >usually
>> >> only DEL, ESC, F1,F5,F8 will produce anything other
>> than a keyboard error.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
>> >>
>> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>> >>
>> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to
>> post messages to NG's
>> >>
>> >> "Mart" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > If scanreg /fix doesn't help then - as a last
resort -
>> you *may* get
>> >away
>> >> > with a scanreg /restore. It *might* just pull you
out
>> of the mire - at
>> >> least
>> >> > sufficiently to let you get the keyboard back.
>> >> >
>> >> > Failing that - and maybe not quite so drastic as a
>> format - you could
>> >try
>> >> a
>> >> > re-install.
>> >> > See Noel's pages at :-
>> >> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/reinME.htm
>> >> >
>> >> > Good luck
>> >> >
>> >> > Mart
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > wrote in
message
>> >> > ...
>> >> > > One other thing: As I stated, System Restore does
>> not
>> >> > > display or run properly, so undoing a previous
>> restore is
>> >> > > not an option.
>> >> > > -bhaviland
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >-----Original Message-----
>> >> > > >Have you tried undoing the Restore operation?
>> >> > > >Have you tried uninstalling NAV?
>> >> > > >Try "SCANREG /FIX" from Start|Run (or a DOS
boot
>> from
>> >> > > floppy) - Windows
>> >> > > >will reboot
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >--
>> >> > > >Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> >> > > >http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>> >> > > >http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how
>> to post
>> >> > > messages to NG's
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >"bhaviland"
>
>> wrote
>> >> > > in message
>> >> > > ...
>> >> > > >> I reset windows to an earlier state to fix a
>> problem but
>> >> > > >> forgot to stop Norton AV from running on
startup
>> and now
>> >> > > >> the Help Menu, System Restore, Contol Panel,
My
>> Network
>> >> > > >> Places, and various other windows and
>> applications will
>> >> > > >> not open, display, and run correctly.
>> >> > > >> Dell tech has decided that a reformat is the
only
>> >> > > >> solution. I don't want to, yet.
>> >> > > >> Is there any way, short of tracking down each
>> system
>> >> > > >> malfunction and manually fixing them, to fix
the
>> ME
>> >> > > >> operating system?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >.
>> >> > > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>
Noel Paton
July 29th 04, 09:01 PM
There is no such thing as a 'debug operation's before installing a NEW OS -
only in upgrading an existing one.
--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"bhaviland" > wrote in message
...
> Yup, I intend to perform a crispy-clean install of XP.
> One thing that I wish I would have written down is the
> procedure for performing a debug operation before
> installing an operating system.
> That is one of the things that Dell tech usually helps
> with when they are working with me on one of their systems
> still under warranty.
> Thanks.
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Thanks for the update, but just a little worried about
> your 'ultimate' goal.
> >Be sure to clear up ALL your WinMe issues BEFORE you
> attempt to upgrade it
> >to XP (unless you intend to do a clean install)
> >
> >Good luck
> >
> >Mart
> >
> >
> >
> > wrote in message
> ...
> >> I am not sure why the system would not respond to
> keyboard
> >> input during startup, but it did go to the startup menu
> at
> >> least one more time. Perhaps I was just not timing the
> >> input correctly, though I tried many different
> techniques.
> >> hehe.
> >> I did end up re-installing Windows over the old OS. That
> >> has solved the problems with the system, at least for a
> >> while. My folders now take somewhat longer to open than
> >> they used to.
> >> Ultimately, I intend to get a copy of XP and install
> that
> >> and give the machine to one of my daughters while my
> wife
> >> and I get new machines. That way we will all be running
> >> the same OS again.
> >> Thanks for the replies.
> >> -bhaviland
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >Yes Noel, I did wonder about that myself but 'assumed'
> it
> >> to be 'post BIOS'
> >> >i.e. during the loading of the WinMe drivers (including
> >> the keyboard) with a
> >> >sufficiently damaged/corrupted registry that couldn't
> >> be 'Fixed'
> >> >
> >> >Mart
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Noel Paton" > wrote in
> >> message
> >> ...
> >> >> The thing that worries me is the 'keyboard error' at
> >> startup - it may
> >> >simply
> >> >> be that the system is responding normally because
> >> bhaviland is pressing
> >> >the
> >> >> 'wrong' keys at the wrong time - or it could
> indicate a
> >> more serious
> >> >> hardware fault.
> >> >>
> >> >> bhaviland - what keys are you pressing at startup
> when
> >> you get the
> >> >error?? -
> >> >> the system is designed to respond only to a limited
> >> number of keys -
> >> >usually
> >> >> only DEL, ESC, F1,F5,F8 will produce anything other
> >> than a keyboard error.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
> >> >>
> >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >> >>
> >> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to
> >> post messages to NG's
> >> >>
> >> >> "Mart" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > If scanreg /fix doesn't help then - as a last
> resort -
> >> you *may* get
> >> >away
> >> >> > with a scanreg /restore. It *might* just pull you
> out
> >> of the mire - at
> >> >> least
> >> >> > sufficiently to let you get the keyboard back.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Failing that - and maybe not quite so drastic as a
> >> format - you could
> >> >try
> >> >> a
> >> >> > re-install.
> >> >> > See Noel's pages at :-
> >> >> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/reinME.htm
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Good luck
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Mart
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > wrote in
> message
> >> >> > ...
> >> >> > > One other thing: As I stated, System Restore does
> >> not
> >> >> > > display or run properly, so undoing a previous
> >> restore is
> >> >> > > not an option.
> >> >> > > -bhaviland
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> > > >Have you tried undoing the Restore operation?
> >> >> > > >Have you tried uninstalling NAV?
> >> >> > > >Try "SCANREG /FIX" from Start|Run (or a DOS
> boot
> >> from
> >> >> > > floppy) - Windows
> >> >> > > >will reboot
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >--
> >> >> > > >Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> >> > > >http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >> >> > > >http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how
> >> to post
> >> >> > > messages to NG's
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >"bhaviland"
> >
> >> wrote
> >> >> > > in message
> >> >> > > ...
> >> >> > > >> I reset windows to an earlier state to fix a
> >> problem but
> >> >> > > >> forgot to stop Norton AV from running on
> startup
> >> and now
> >> >> > > >> the Help Menu, System Restore, Contol Panel,
> My
> >> Network
> >> >> > > >> Places, and various other windows and
> >> applications will
> >> >> > > >> not open, display, and run correctly.
> >> >> > > >> Dell tech has decided that a reformat is the
> only
> >> >> > > >> solution. I don't want to, yet.
> >> >> > > >> Is there any way, short of tracking down each
> >> system
> >> >> > > >> malfunction and manually fixing them, to fix
> the
> >> ME
> >> >> > > >> operating system?
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >
bhaviland
July 29th 04, 10:27 PM
Woops. I have revealed my ignorance.
In any case, I plan to do a clean install.
Thanks
>-----Original Message-----
>There is no such thing as a 'debug operation's before
installing a NEW OS -
>only in upgrading an existing one.
>
>
>--
>Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
>
>Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>
>Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
messages to NG's
>
>"bhaviland" > wrote
in message
...
>> Yup, I intend to perform a crispy-clean install of XP.
>> One thing that I wish I would have written down is the
>> procedure for performing a debug operation before
>> installing an operating system.
>> That is one of the things that Dell tech usually helps
>> with when they are working with me on one of their
systems
>> still under warranty.
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Thanks for the update, but just a little worried about
>> your 'ultimate' goal.
>> >Be sure to clear up ALL your WinMe issues BEFORE you
>> attempt to upgrade it
>> >to XP (unless you intend to do a clean install)
>> >
>> >Good luck
>> >
>> >Mart
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> I am not sure why the system would not respond to
>> keyboard
>> >> input during startup, but it did go to the startup
menu
>> at
>> >> least one more time. Perhaps I was just not timing
the
>> >> input correctly, though I tried many different
>> techniques.
>> >> hehe.
>> >> I did end up re-installing Windows over the old OS.
That
>> >> has solved the problems with the system, at least
for a
>> >> while. My folders now take somewhat longer to open
than
>> >> they used to.
>> >> Ultimately, I intend to get a copy of XP and install
>> that
>> >> and give the machine to one of my daughters while my
>> wife
>> >> and I get new machines. That way we will all be
running
>> >> the same OS again.
>> >> Thanks for the replies.
>> >> -bhaviland
>> >>
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >Yes Noel, I did wonder about that myself
but 'assumed'
>> it
>> >> to be 'post BIOS'
>> >> >i.e. during the loading of the WinMe drivers
(including
>> >> the keyboard) with a
>> >> >sufficiently damaged/corrupted registry that
couldn't
>> >> be 'Fixed'
>> >> >
>> >> >Mart
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"Noel Paton" > wrote
in
>> >> message
>> >> ...
>> >> >> The thing that worries me is the 'keyboard error'
at
>> >> startup - it may
>> >> >simply
>> >> >> be that the system is responding normally because
>> >> bhaviland is pressing
>> >> >the
>> >> >> 'wrong' keys at the wrong time - or it could
>> indicate a
>> >> more serious
>> >> >> hardware fault.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> bhaviland - what keys are you pressing at startup
>> when
>> >> you get the
>> >> >error?? -
>> >> >> the system is designed to respond only to a
limited
>> >> number of keys -
>> >> >usually
>> >> >> only DEL, ESC, F1,F5,F8 will produce anything
other
>> >> than a keyboard error.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> >> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how
to
>> >> post messages to NG's
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Mart" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> > If scanreg /fix doesn't help then - as a last
>> resort -
>> >> you *may* get
>> >> >away
>> >> >> > with a scanreg /restore. It *might* just pull
you
>> out
>> >> of the mire - at
>> >> >> least
>> >> >> > sufficiently to let you get the keyboard back.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Failing that - and maybe not quite so drastic
as a
>> >> format - you could
>> >> >try
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> > re-install.
>> >> >> > See Noel's pages at :-
>> >> >> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/reinME.htm
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Good luck
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Mart
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > wrote in
>> message
>> >> >> > ...
>> >> >> > > One other thing: As I stated, System Restore
does
>> >> not
>> >> >> > > display or run properly, so undoing a previous
>> >> restore is
>> >> >> > > not an option.
>> >> >> > > -bhaviland
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >> > > >Have you tried undoing the Restore
operation?
>> >> >> > > >Have you tried uninstalling NAV?
>> >> >> > > >Try "SCANREG /FIX" from Start|Run (or a DOS
>> boot
>> >> from
>> >> >> > > floppy) - Windows
>> >> >> > > >will reboot
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >--
>> >> >> > > >Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> >> >> > >
>http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>> >> >> > > >http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on
how
>> >> to post
>> >> >> > > messages to NG's
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >"bhaviland"
>> >
>> >> wrote
>> >> >> > > in message
>> >> >> > > >news:267001c4704c$456922c0
...
>> >> >> > > >> I reset windows to an earlier state to fix
a
>> >> problem but
>> >> >> > > >> forgot to stop Norton AV from running on
>> startup
>> >> and now
>> >> >> > > >> the Help Menu, System Restore, Contol
Panel,
>> My
>> >> Network
>> >> >> > > >> Places, and various other windows and
>> >> applications will
>> >> >> > > >> not open, display, and run correctly.
>> >> >> > > >> Dell tech has decided that a reformat is
the
>> only
>> >> >> > > >> solution. I don't want to, yet.
>> >> >> > > >> Is there any way, short of tracking down
each
>> >> system
>> >> >> > > >> malfunction and manually fixing them, to
fix
>> the
>> >> ME
>> >> >> > > >> operating system?
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >.
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>
Mart
July 30th 04, 12:19 AM
> Woops. I have revealed my ignorance.
We've all been there!! Good luck with your install, I'm sure that you'll
like XP.
Mart
BTW - Cheers Noel and thanks for sticking with the thread too.
"bhaviland" > wrote in message
...
> Woops. I have revealed my ignorance.
> In any case, I plan to do a clean install.
> Thanks
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >There is no such thing as a 'debug operation's before
> installing a NEW OS -
> >only in upgrading an existing one.
> >
> >
> >--
> >Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
> >
> >Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >
> >Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
> messages to NG's
> >
> >"bhaviland" > wrote
> in message
> ...
> >> Yup, I intend to perform a crispy-clean install of XP.
> >> One thing that I wish I would have written down is the
> >> procedure for performing a debug operation before
> >> installing an operating system.
> >> That is one of the things that Dell tech usually helps
> >> with when they are working with me on one of their
> systems
> >> still under warranty.
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >Thanks for the update, but just a little worried about
> >> your 'ultimate' goal.
> >> >Be sure to clear up ALL your WinMe issues BEFORE you
> >> attempt to upgrade it
> >> >to XP (unless you intend to do a clean install)
> >> >
> >> >Good luck
> >> >
> >> >Mart
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> I am not sure why the system would not respond to
> >> keyboard
> >> >> input during startup, but it did go to the startup
> menu
> >> at
> >> >> least one more time. Perhaps I was just not timing
> the
> >> >> input correctly, though I tried many different
> >> techniques.
> >> >> hehe.
> >> >> I did end up re-installing Windows over the old OS.
> That
> >> >> has solved the problems with the system, at least
> for a
> >> >> while. My folders now take somewhat longer to open
> than
> >> >> they used to.
> >> >> Ultimately, I intend to get a copy of XP and install
> >> that
> >> >> and give the machine to one of my daughters while my
> >> wife
> >> >> and I get new machines. That way we will all be
> running
> >> >> the same OS again.
> >> >> Thanks for the replies.
> >> >> -bhaviland
> >> >>
> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >Yes Noel, I did wonder about that myself
> but 'assumed'
> >> it
> >> >> to be 'post BIOS'
> >> >> >i.e. during the loading of the WinMe drivers
> (including
> >> >> the keyboard) with a
> >> >> >sufficiently damaged/corrupted registry that
> couldn't
> >> >> be 'Fixed'
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Mart
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Noel Paton" > wrote
> in
> >> >> message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> The thing that worries me is the 'keyboard error'
> at
> >> >> startup - it may
> >> >> >simply
> >> >> >> be that the system is responding normally because
> >> >> bhaviland is pressing
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> 'wrong' keys at the wrong time - or it could
> >> indicate a
> >> >> more serious
> >> >> >> hardware fault.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> bhaviland - what keys are you pressing at startup
> >> when
> >> >> you get the
> >> >> >error?? -
> >> >> >> the system is designed to respond only to a
> limited
> >> >> number of keys -
> >> >> >usually
> >> >> >> only DEL, ESC, F1,F5,F8 will produce anything
> other
> >> >> than a keyboard error.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> >> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how
> to
> >> >> post messages to NG's
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Mart" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> > If scanreg /fix doesn't help then - as a last
> >> resort -
> >> >> you *may* get
> >> >> >away
> >> >> >> > with a scanreg /restore. It *might* just pull
> you
> >> out
> >> >> of the mire - at
> >> >> >> least
> >> >> >> > sufficiently to let you get the keyboard back.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Failing that - and maybe not quite so drastic
> as a
> >> >> format - you could
> >> >> >try
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> > re-install.
> >> >> >> > See Noel's pages at :-
> >> >> >> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/reinME.htm
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Good luck
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Mart
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > wrote in
> >> message
> >> >> >> > ...
> >> >> >> > > One other thing: As I stated, System Restore
> does
> >> >> not
> >> >> >> > > display or run properly, so undoing a previous
> >> >> restore is
> >> >> >> > > not an option.
> >> >> >> > > -bhaviland
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> > > >Have you tried undoing the Restore
> operation?
> >> >> >> > > >Have you tried uninstalling NAV?
> >> >> >> > > >Try "SCANREG /FIX" from Start|Run (or a DOS
> >> boot
> >> >> from
> >> >> >> > > floppy) - Windows
> >> >> >> > > >will reboot
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > >--
> >> >> >> > > >Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > >Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> >> >> > >
> >http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >> >> >> > > >http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > >Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on
> how
> >> >> to post
> >> >> >> > > messages to NG's
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > >"bhaviland"
> >> >
> >> >> wrote
> >> >> >> > > in message
> >> >> >> > > >news:267001c4704c$456922c0
> ...
> >> >> >> > > >> I reset windows to an earlier state to fix
> a
> >> >> problem but
> >> >> >> > > >> forgot to stop Norton AV from running on
> >> startup
> >> >> and now
> >> >> >> > > >> the Help Menu, System Restore, Contol
> Panel,
> >> My
> >> >> Network
> >> >> >> > > >> Places, and various other windows and
> >> >> applications will
> >> >> >> > > >> not open, display, and run correctly.
> >> >> >> > > >> Dell tech has decided that a reformat is
> the
> >> only
> >> >> >> > > >> solution. I don't want to, yet.
> >> >> >> > > >> Is there any way, short of tracking down
> each
> >> >> system
> >> >> >> > > >> malfunction and manually fixing them, to
> fix
> >> the
> >> >> ME
> >> >> >> > > >> operating system?
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > >.
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >.
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >
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