Win 98 SE Support...

[Howard Woodard]

My son has a Dell Inspiron 7500 that originally shipped with Win 98 SE.
Later we purchased a full retail version of XP Pro for it. As you might
guess, the machine got a little out of date and he eventually purchased a
new one.

I tinker around and build PCs out of spare parts and am always looking for
an available OS. I'm wondering if I can put the original Win 98 SE back on
the old laptop. I could then give it to my granddaughter and use XP on one
of my "mongrel" PCs.

Does Microsoft still provide online updates or access to all of the updates
that have previously been produced?

Thanks in advance...

Howard

[dlsayremn]

You should be able to replace the XP with 98SE.
Although MS doesn't support the old 9x systems, stopped last year, all of
the old updates were still availiable last time I checked. If you have
problems Gary S.Terhune will sell you a disk with updates fro about $3.
E-mail him at updates_at_grystmill.com.
or you can try Autopatcher for Windows 98SE by Soporific, has updates and
some third party patches to improve performance and it is free. Information
and link here.
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=80800

Dell may still have all their hardware/software updates on line.

Biggest problem is software.
MSFN has a list of software products that still work for 98SE.
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=105936

DLSayre


"Howard Woodard" wrote:

> My son has a Dell Inspiron 7500 that originally shipped with Win 98 SE.
> Later we purchased a full retail version of XP Pro for it. As you might
> guess, the machine got a little out of date and he eventually purchased a
> new one.
>
> I tinker around and build PCs out of spare parts and am always looking for
> an available OS. I'm wondering if I can put the original Win 98 SE back on
> the old laptop. I could then give it to my granddaughter and use XP on one
> of my "mongrel" PCs.
>
> Does Microsoft still provide online updates or access to all of the updates
> that have previously been produced?
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
> Howard
>

[dlsayremn]

You should be able to replace the XP with 98SE.
Although MS doesn't support the old 9x systems, stopped last year, all of
the old updates were still availiable last time I checked. If you have
problems Gary S.Terhune will sell you a disk with updates fro about $3.
E-mail him at updates_at_grystmill.com.
or you can try Autopatcher for Windows 98SE by Soporific, has updates and
some third party patches to improve performance and it is free. Information
and link here.
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=80800

Dell may still have all their hardware/software updates on line.

Biggest problem is software.
MSFN has a list of software products that still work for 98SE.
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=105936

DLSayre


"Howard Woodard" wrote:

> My son has a Dell Inspiron 7500 that originally shipped with Win 98 SE.
> Later we purchased a full retail version of XP Pro for it. As you might
> guess, the machine got a little out of date and he eventually purchased a
> new one.
>
> I tinker around and build PCs out of spare parts and am always looking for
> an available OS. I'm wondering if I can put the original Win 98 SE back on
> the old laptop. I could then give it to my granddaughter and use XP on one
> of my "mongrel" PCs.
>
> Does Microsoft still provide online updates or access to all of the updates
> that have previously been produced?
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
> Howard
>

[Howard Woodard]

Thanks for all the info. You've been very helpful. So helpful that I think
I'll just leave it alone. :)

Regards,

Howard
==========================

"dlsayremn" > wrote in message
...
> You should be able to replace the XP with 98SE.
> Although MS doesn't support the old 9x systems, stopped last year, all of
> the old updates were still availiable last time I checked. If you have
> problems Gary S.Terhune will sell you a disk with updates fro about $3.
> E-mail him at updates_at_grystmill.com.
> or you can try Autopatcher for Windows 98SE by Soporific, has updates and
> some third party patches to improve performance and it is free.
> Information
> and link here.
> http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=80800
>
> Dell may still have all their hardware/software updates on line.
>
> Biggest problem is software.
> MSFN has a list of software products that still work for 98SE.
> http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=105936
>
> DLSayre
>
>
> "Howard Woodard" wrote:
>
>> My son has a Dell Inspiron 7500 that originally shipped with Win 98 SE.
>> Later we purchased a full retail version of XP Pro for it. As you might
>> guess, the machine got a little out of date and he eventually purchased a
>> new one.
>>
>> I tinker around and build PCs out of spare parts and am always looking
>> for
>> an available OS. I'm wondering if I can put the original Win 98 SE back
>> on
>> the old laptop. I could then give it to my granddaughter and use XP on
>> one
>> of my "mongrel" PCs.
>>
>> Does Microsoft still provide online updates or access to all of the
>> updates
>> that have previously been produced?
>>
>> Thanks in advance...
>>
>> Howard
>>

[Howard Woodard]

Thanks for all the info. You've been very helpful. So helpful that I think
I'll just leave it alone. :)

Regards,

Howard
==========================

"dlsayremn" > wrote in message
...
> You should be able to replace the XP with 98SE.
> Although MS doesn't support the old 9x systems, stopped last year, all of
> the old updates were still availiable last time I checked. If you have
> problems Gary S.Terhune will sell you a disk with updates fro about $3.
> E-mail him at updates_at_grystmill.com.
> or you can try Autopatcher for Windows 98SE by Soporific, has updates and
> some third party patches to improve performance and it is free.
> Information
> and link here.
> http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=80800
>
> Dell may still have all their hardware/software updates on line.
>
> Biggest problem is software.
> MSFN has a list of software products that still work for 98SE.
> http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=105936
>
> DLSayre
>
>
> "Howard Woodard" wrote:
>
>> My son has a Dell Inspiron 7500 that originally shipped with Win 98 SE.
>> Later we purchased a full retail version of XP Pro for it. As you might
>> guess, the machine got a little out of date and he eventually purchased a
>> new one.
>>
>> I tinker around and build PCs out of spare parts and am always looking
>> for
>> an available OS. I'm wondering if I can put the original Win 98 SE back
>> on
>> the old laptop. I could then give it to my granddaughter and use XP on
>> one
>> of my "mongrel" PCs.
>>
>> Does Microsoft still provide online updates or access to all of the
>> updates
>> that have previously been produced?
>>
>> Thanks in advance...
>>
>> Howard
>>

[Bill in Co.]

Howard Woodard wrote:
> Thanks for all the info. You've been very helpful. So helpful that I
> think
> I'll just leave it alone. :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Howard
> ==========================
>
> "dlsayremn" > wrote in message
> ...
>> You should be able to replace the XP with 98SE.
>> Although MS doesn't support the old 9x systems, stopped last year, all of
>> the old updates were still availiable last time I checked. If you have
>> problems Gary S.Terhune will sell you a disk with updates fro about $3.
>> E-mail him at updates_at_grystmill.com.

<snip>

What ever happened to Gary? I don't see him around here anymore.

[Bill in Co.]

Howard Woodard wrote:
> Thanks for all the info. You've been very helpful. So helpful that I
> think
> I'll just leave it alone. :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Howard
> ==========================
>
> "dlsayremn" > wrote in message
> ...
>> You should be able to replace the XP with 98SE.
>> Although MS doesn't support the old 9x systems, stopped last year, all of
>> the old updates were still availiable last time I checked. If you have
>> problems Gary S.Terhune will sell you a disk with updates fro about $3.
>> E-mail him at updates_at_grystmill.com.

<snip>

What ever happened to Gary? I don't see him around here anymore.

[thanatoid]

"Howard Woodard" > wrote in
:

> My son has a Dell Inspiron 7500 that originally shipped
> with Win 98 SE. Later we purchased a full retail version of
> XP Pro for it. As you might guess, the machine got a
> little out of date and he eventually purchased a new one.
>
> I tinker around and build PCs out of spare parts and am
> always looking for an available OS. I'm wondering if I can
> put the original Win 98 SE back on the old laptop. I could
> then give it to my granddaughter and use XP on one of my
> "mongrel" PCs.
>
> Does Microsoft still provide online updates or access to
> all of the updates that have previously been produced?
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
> Howard
>

http://exuberant.ms11.net

I run 95B and 98SE Lite and if a program doesn't run on those
platforms, I find another, usually better, cheaper (or free),
and smaller and faster one. There are tens of thousands of great
programs that run on 9x. No one needs XP let alone Vista. But
there are a lot of sheep around to keep the manufacturers happy.


--
"We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."
Anais Nin

[thanatoid]

"Howard Woodard" > wrote in
:

> My son has a Dell Inspiron 7500 that originally shipped
> with Win 98 SE. Later we purchased a full retail version of
> XP Pro for it. As you might guess, the machine got a
> little out of date and he eventually purchased a new one.
>
> I tinker around and build PCs out of spare parts and am
> always looking for an available OS. I'm wondering if I can
> put the original Win 98 SE back on the old laptop. I could
> then give it to my granddaughter and use XP on one of my
> "mongrel" PCs.
>
> Does Microsoft still provide online updates or access to
> all of the updates that have previously been produced?
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
> Howard
>

http://exuberant.ms11.net

I run 95B and 98SE Lite and if a program doesn't run on those
platforms, I find another, usually better, cheaper (or free),
and smaller and faster one. There are tens of thousands of great
programs that run on 9x. No one needs XP let alone Vista. But
there are a lot of sheep around to keep the manufacturers happy.


--
"We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."
Anais Nin

[thanatoid]

"Howard Woodard" > wrote in
:

> Thanks for all the info. You've been very helpful. So
> helpful that I think I'll just leave it alone. :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Howard

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, defeatist, or just
easily scared. You only gave yourself 3 hours to get an answer,
and one was all it took for you to say this?

Even I am more patient.


--
"We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."
Anais Nin

[Rick Chauvin]

"thanatoid" > wrote in message

> "Howard Woodard" > wrote in
> :
>
>> Thanks for all the info. You've been very helpful. So
>> helpful that I think I'll just leave it alone. :)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Howard
>
> I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, defeatist, or just
> easily scared. You only gave yourself 3 hours to get an answer,
> and one was all it took for you to say this?

I know it, I thought the same, but to think about it, to get back to SE on
that laptop through a format, and all the software installing, drivers,
etc, etc, etc, + fifty more etc's, and for what long term reason....? !
Now unless he's on a nostalgic mission for 9x, and then for very sure
familiar with the whole process like you and others would be, then he may
spend many days working though the process of all things that Will come up.

I think for him he feels it's best to leave XP on it, but my advice would
be to at least clean house with any extra software junk on it to get it to
run more efficient more like a fresh install on that dated machine, than
how his son perhaps may have left it. imho

Rick


>
> Even I am more patient.
>
>
> --
> "We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."
> Anais Nin

[Rick Chauvin]

"thanatoid" > wrote in message

> "Howard Woodard" > wrote in
> :
>
>> Thanks for all the info. You've been very helpful. So
>> helpful that I think I'll just leave it alone. :)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Howard
>
> I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, defeatist, or just
> easily scared. You only gave yourself 3 hours to get an answer,
> and one was all it took for you to say this?

I know it, I thought the same, but to think about it, to get back to SE on
that laptop through a format, and all the software installing, drivers,
etc, etc, etc, + fifty more etc's, and for what long term reason....? !
Now unless he's on a nostalgic mission for 9x, and then for very sure
familiar with the whole process like you and others would be, then he may
spend many days working though the process of all things that Will come up.

I think for him he feels it's best to leave XP on it, but my advice would
be to at least clean house with any extra software junk on it to get it to
run more efficient more like a fresh install on that dated machine, than
how his son perhaps may have left it. imho

Rick


>
> Even I am more patient.
>
>
> --
> "We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."
> Anais Nin

[Rick Chauvin]

"Bill in Co." > wrote in message


>
> What ever happened to Gary? I don't see him around here anymore.

These days he posts only a few times a month lately, and in other groups
besides this one.

Rick

[Rick Chauvin]

"Bill in Co." > wrote in message


>
> What ever happened to Gary? I don't see him around here anymore.

These days he posts only a few times a month lately, and in other groups
besides this one.

Rick

[thanatoid]

"Rick Chauvin" > wrote in
:

>
>
> "thanatoid" > wrote in message
>
>> "Howard Woodard" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Thanks for all the info. You've been very helpful. So
>>> helpful that I think I'll just leave it alone. :)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Howard
>>
>> I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, defeatist, or
>> just easily scared. You only gave yourself 3 hours to get
>> an answer, and one was all it took for you to say this?
>
> I know it, I thought the same, but to think about it, to
> get back to SE on that laptop through a format, and all the
> software installing, drivers, etc, etc, etc, + fifty more
> etc's, and for what long term reason....? ! Now unless
> he's on a nostalgic mission for 9x, and then for very sure
> familiar with the whole process like you and others would
> be, then he may spend many days working though the process
> of all things that Will come up.

Well, I can not dispute this point. I tried a completely fresh
install of Win95B and after two hours of everything defaulting
to MS hell-faults, I ran around the room screaming for a while
and then installed an old Acronis image.

> I think for him he feels it's best to leave XP on it, but
> my advice would be to at least clean house with any extra
> software junk on it to get it to run more efficient more
> like a fresh install on that dated machine, than how his
> son perhaps may have left it. imho

Probably. I just found it peculiar that someone would give up
THAT easily. Seems he DID want to do it originally.

OTOH, I just spent nearly a month trying to get full DOS sound
from my Sound Blaster AWE 64 (no Win of any kind installed now -
originally it had 95B as mentioned above), after 2 weeks of
****ing around with about 20 Blaster setup files, I just gave
up, wiped the drive, and installed DOS 6.21. Then I ran the AWE
64 DOS install, and everything's hunky dory. Amazing or
annoying?
But I have nothing to do, and most people do.

Not to mention IMHO doing ANYTHING on a laptop is at least 3
times more painful than on something with a normal monitor and
keyboard.


--
"We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."
Anais Nin

[dlsayremn]

Don't know. Last posts I have seen from him are last of August, here and in
Vista forums.

"Bill in Co." wrote:

> Howard Woodard wrote:
> > Thanks for all the info. You've been very helpful. So helpful that I
> > think
> > I'll just leave it alone. :)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Howard
> > ==========================
> >
> > "dlsayremn" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> You should be able to replace the XP with 98SE.
> >> Although MS doesn't support the old 9x systems, stopped last year, all of
> >> the old updates were still availiable last time I checked. If you have
> >> problems Gary S.Terhune will sell you a disk with updates fro about $3.
> >> E-mail him at updates_at_grystmill.com.
>
> <snip>
>
> What ever happened to Gary? I don't see him around here anymore.
>
>
>

[dlsayremn]

Don't know. Last posts I have seen from him are last of August, here and in
Vista forums.

"Bill in Co." wrote:

> Howard Woodard wrote:
> > Thanks for all the info. You've been very helpful. So helpful that I
> > think
> > I'll just leave it alone. :)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Howard
> > ==========================
> >
> > "dlsayremn" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> You should be able to replace the XP with 98SE.
> >> Although MS doesn't support the old 9x systems, stopped last year, all of
> >> the old updates were still availiable last time I checked. If you have
> >> problems Gary S.Terhune will sell you a disk with updates fro about $3.
> >> E-mail him at updates_at_grystmill.com.
>
> <snip>
>
> What ever happened to Gary? I don't see him around here anymore.
>
>
>

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message >, thanatoid
> writes:
[]
>http://exuberant.ms11.net

(What was that link for?)
>
>I run 95B and 98SE Lite and if a program doesn't run on those
>platforms, I find another, usually better, cheaper (or free),
>and smaller and faster one. There are tens of thousands of great
>programs that run on 9x. No one needs XP let alone Vista. But
>there are a lot of sheep around to keep the manufacturers happy.
>
>
I tend to agree, _but_ unfortunately there's a lot of _hardware_ around
now which either won't run with '98SElite at all, or at least involves
major effort getting it to run. Hence I'm going to get a netbook soon
(only way you can [easily] buy XP on a "new" machine now) - probably.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

PRIME DIRECTIVE, MY A**! Phasers on maximum!

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message >, thanatoid
> writes:
[]
>http://exuberant.ms11.net

(What was that link for?)
>
>I run 95B and 98SE Lite and if a program doesn't run on those
>platforms, I find another, usually better, cheaper (or free),
>and smaller and faster one. There are tens of thousands of great
>programs that run on 9x. No one needs XP let alone Vista. But
>there are a lot of sheep around to keep the manufacturers happy.
>
>
I tend to agree, _but_ unfortunately there's a lot of _hardware_ around
now which either won't run with '98SElite at all, or at least involves
major effort getting it to run. Hence I'm going to get a netbook soon
(only way you can [easily] buy XP on a "new" machine now) - probably.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

PRIME DIRECTIVE, MY A**! Phasers on maximum!

[dlsayremn]

thanatoid, maybe I should have mentioned the 15+ hours it took to get my
Vista back after the hard drive cashed and I had no backups. 1 1/2 - 2 hours
for an SE reinstall is nothing, especially if you bypass Update and use
sopoific's Autopatcher or Gary's disks.

"thanatoid" wrote:

> "Howard Woodard" > wrote in
> :
>
> > Thanks for all the info. You've been very helpful. So
> > helpful that I think I'll just leave it alone. :)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Howard
>
> I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, defeatist, or just
> easily scared. You only gave yourself 3 hours to get an answer,
> and one was all it took for you to say this?
>
> Even I am more patient.
>
>
> --
> "We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."
> Anais Nin
>

[dlsayremn]

thanatoid, maybe I should have mentioned the 15+ hours it took to get my
Vista back after the hard drive cashed and I had no backups. 1 1/2 - 2 hours
for an SE reinstall is nothing, especially if you bypass Update and use
sopoific's Autopatcher or Gary's disks.

"thanatoid" wrote:

> "Howard Woodard" > wrote in
> :
>
> > Thanks for all the info. You've been very helpful. So
> > helpful that I think I'll just leave it alone. :)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Howard
>
> I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, defeatist, or just
> easily scared. You only gave yourself 3 hours to get an answer,
> and one was all it took for you to say this?
>
> Even I am more patient.
>
>
> --
> "We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."
> Anais Nin
>

[Buffalo]

thanatoid wrote:

>
> http://exuberant.ms11.net
>
> I run 95B and 98SE Lite and if a program doesn't run on those
> platforms, I find another, usually better, cheaper (or free),
> and smaller and faster one. There are tens of thousands of great
> programs that run on 9x. No one needs XP let alone Vista. But
> there are a lot of sheep around to keep the manufacturers happy.

Well thanatoid, I want to use a better vid card and nowadays, you basically
need XP or higher to get the proper drivers for them.
However, a few of them still offer drivers for Win2000Pro. I use a dual-boot
98SE-2000Pro system and I am going to have to upgrade my vid card, cpu and
OS.I also have 1GB DDR ram and an Athlon Palomino 2100XP cpu.
Unfortunately, the Palomino does not OC much.
Right now my ATI Radeon 8500LE runs just fine on both OS's, but I need more
for even some of the older games to play smoother.
Buffalo

[Buffalo]

thanatoid wrote:

>
> http://exuberant.ms11.net
>
> I run 95B and 98SE Lite and if a program doesn't run on those
> platforms, I find another, usually better, cheaper (or free),
> and smaller and faster one. There are tens of thousands of great
> programs that run on 9x. No one needs XP let alone Vista. But
> there are a lot of sheep around to keep the manufacturers happy.

Well thanatoid, I want to use a better vid card and nowadays, you basically
need XP or higher to get the proper drivers for them.
However, a few of them still offer drivers for Win2000Pro. I use a dual-boot
98SE-2000Pro system and I am going to have to upgrade my vid card, cpu and
OS.I also have 1GB DDR ram and an Athlon Palomino 2100XP cpu.
Unfortunately, the Palomino does not OC much.
Right now my ATI Radeon 8500LE runs just fine on both OS's, but I need more
for even some of the older games to play smoother.
Buffalo

[mm]

On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:35:05 -0500, "Rick Chauvin"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Bill in Co." > wrote in message

>
>>
>> What ever happened to Gary? I don't see him around here anymore.
>
>These days he posts only a few times a month lately, and in other groups
>besides this one.
>
>Rick

He's seeing another group? What about me and the twins!
>
>

[mm]

On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:35:05 -0500, "Rick Chauvin"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Bill in Co." > wrote in message

>
>>
>> What ever happened to Gary? I don't see him around here anymore.
>
>These days he posts only a few times a month lately, and in other groups
>besides this one.
>
>Rick

He's seeing another group? What about me and the twins!
>
>

[thanatoid]

"Buffalo" > wrote in
:

>
>
> thanatoid wrote:
>
>>
>> http://exuberant.ms11.net
>>
>> I run 95B and 98SE Lite and if a program doesn't run on
>> those platforms, I find another, usually better, cheaper
>> (or free), and smaller and faster one. There are tens of
>> thousands of great programs that run on 9x. No one needs
>> XP let alone Vista. But there are a lot of sheep around to
>> keep the manufacturers happy.
>
> Well thanatoid, I want to use a better vid card and
> nowadays, you basically need XP or higher to get the proper
> drivers for them. However, a few of them still offer
> drivers for Win2000Pro. I use a dual-boot 98SE-2000Pro
> system and I am going to have to upgrade my vid card, cpu
> and OS.I also have 1GB DDR ram and an Athlon Palomino
> 2100XP cpu. Unfortunately, the Palomino does not OC much.
> Right now my ATI Radeon 8500LE runs just fine on both OS's,
> but I need more for even some of the older games to play
> smoother. Buffalo

No offense intended, gamers are a special category, sort of... I
always forget about them since I almost never play games, and
when I do, it's old ones. And when I say "no one" I mean no one
that doesn't work for NASA or Sears - or is a serious gamer, I
guess :-)

Apparently some 2000 drivers work with 98SE, I read that
somewhere while looking for info on an AGP4x card for my 5 year
old Compaq EVO. Also, the CD was for XP/Vista only, but the
NVidia site had a 10MB 98 driver file for DL.

The fact that after 3 months of working perfectly the card now
goes black after 3-5 hours but works fine upon reboot is another
matter... So I just took it out. I never even got around to
trying the game I bought it for... And I don't know if I can
brave the experience of having an intermittent fault approved
for exchange...


--
"We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."
Anais Nin

[thanatoid]

"Buffalo" > wrote in
:

>
>
> thanatoid wrote:
>
>>
>> http://exuberant.ms11.net
>>
>> I run 95B and 98SE Lite and if a program doesn't run on
>> those platforms, I find another, usually better, cheaper
>> (or free), and smaller and faster one. There are tens of
>> thousands of great programs that run on 9x. No one needs
>> XP let alone Vista. But there are a lot of sheep around to
>> keep the manufacturers happy.
>
> Well thanatoid, I want to use a better vid card and
> nowadays, you basically need XP or higher to get the proper
> drivers for them. However, a few of them still offer
> drivers for Win2000Pro. I use a dual-boot 98SE-2000Pro
> system and I am going to have to upgrade my vid card, cpu
> and OS.I also have 1GB DDR ram and an Athlon Palomino
> 2100XP cpu. Unfortunately, the Palomino does not OC much.
> Right now my ATI Radeon 8500LE runs just fine on both OS's,
> but I need more for even some of the older games to play
> smoother. Buffalo

No offense intended, gamers are a special category, sort of... I
always forget about them since I almost never play games, and
when I do, it's old ones. And when I say "no one" I mean no one
that doesn't work for NASA or Sears - or is a serious gamer, I
guess :-)

Apparently some 2000 drivers work with 98SE, I read that
somewhere while looking for info on an AGP4x card for my 5 year
old Compaq EVO. Also, the CD was for XP/Vista only, but the
NVidia site had a 10MB 98 driver file for DL.

The fact that after 3 months of working perfectly the card now
goes black after 3-5 hours but works fine upon reboot is another
matter... So I just took it out. I never even got around to
trying the game I bought it for... And I don't know if I can
brave the experience of having an intermittent fault approved
for exchange...


--
"We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."
Anais Nin

[thanatoid]

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" > wrote in
:

> In message >,
> thanatoid > writes:
> []
>>http://exuberant.ms11.net
>
> (What was that link for?)

All 98SE updates.

>>I run 95B and 98SE Lite and if a program doesn't run on
>>those platforms, I find another, usually better, cheaper
>>(or free), and smaller and faster one. There are tens of
>>thousands of great programs that run on 9x. No one needs XP
>>let alone Vista. But there are a lot of sheep around to
>>keep the manufacturers happy.
>>
>>
> I tend to agree, _but_ unfortunately there's a lot of
> _hardware_ around now which either won't run with '98SElite
> at all, or at least involves major effort getting it to
> run. Hence I'm going to get a netbook soon (only way you
> can [easily] buy XP on a "new" machine now) - probably.

Well, I still have a Colorado tape drive with 200MB cartridges
which works great...
And I still laugh at people who don't know how to set tabs
insisting on having MS Office.



--
"We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."
Anais Nin

[thanatoid]

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" > wrote in
:

> In message >,
> thanatoid > writes:
> []
>>http://exuberant.ms11.net
>
> (What was that link for?)

All 98SE updates.

>>I run 95B and 98SE Lite and if a program doesn't run on
>>those platforms, I find another, usually better, cheaper
>>(or free), and smaller and faster one. There are tens of
>>thousands of great programs that run on 9x. No one needs XP
>>let alone Vista. But there are a lot of sheep around to
>>keep the manufacturers happy.
>>
>>
> I tend to agree, _but_ unfortunately there's a lot of
> _hardware_ around now which either won't run with '98SElite
> at all, or at least involves major effort getting it to
> run. Hence I'm going to get a netbook soon (only way you
> can [easily] buy XP on a "new" machine now) - probably.

Well, I still have a Colorado tape drive with 200MB cartridges
which works great...
And I still laugh at people who don't know how to set tabs
insisting on having MS Office.



--
"We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."
Anais Nin

[joy]

> Biggest problem is software.
> MSFN has a list of software products that still work for 98SE.
> http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=105936
>
> DLSayre

Not sure who is MSFN except for the obvious, but whoever maintains the site might need to edit the
page.
I found a couple of links, one being adobe, that wont allow a 98 download.
Its under the heading of PDF Utilities and is the first one under that heading,, "Adobe Reader
6.06". Its a bummer too, because I only have v5,, no joy there.

[joy]

> Biggest problem is software.
> MSFN has a list of software products that still work for 98SE.
> http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=105936
>
> DLSayre

Not sure who is MSFN except for the obvious, but whoever maintains the site might need to edit the
page.
I found a couple of links, one being adobe, that wont allow a 98 download.
Its under the heading of PDF Utilities and is the first one under that heading,, "Adobe Reader
6.06". Its a bummer too, because I only have v5,, no joy there.

[Jeff Richards]

Nothing to do with Microsoft, and not prepared to be identified. I wouldn't
trust it.

Registrant Name:xper msfn
Registrant Organization:MSFN
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Registrant Street2:
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MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"joy" > wrote in message
...
>
>> snip <<
>
> Not sure who is MSFN except for the obvious, but whoever maintains the
> site might need to edit the
> page.
> I found a couple of links, one being adobe, that wont allow a 98 download.
> Its under the heading of PDF Utilities and is the first one under that
> heading,, "Adobe Reader
> 6.06". Its a bummer too, because I only have v5,, no joy there.
>
>

[Jeff Richards]

Nothing to do with Microsoft, and not prepared to be identified. I wouldn't
trust it.

Registrant Name:xper msfn
Registrant Organization:MSFN
Registrant Street1:msfn way
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:msfn
Registrant State/Province:
Registrant Postal Code:ms6 6ms
Registrant Country:DK
Registrant Phone:+45.12345678
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"joy" > wrote in message
...
>
>> snip <<
>
> Not sure who is MSFN except for the obvious, but whoever maintains the
> site might need to edit the
> page.
> I found a couple of links, one being adobe, that wont allow a 98 download.
> Its under the heading of PDF Utilities and is the first one under that
> heading,, "Adobe Reader
> 6.06". Its a bummer too, because I only have v5,, no joy there.
>
>

[Etal]

joy wrote:

>> Biggest problem is software.
>> MSFN has a list of software products that still work for 98SE.
>> http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=105936
>
> Not sure who is MSFN except for the obvious, but whoever maintains the site might need to edit the
> page.
> I found a couple of links, one being adobe, that wont allow a 98 download.

<http://get.adobe.com/reader/otherversions/>
Stupid and annoying web-page, not allowing to download 'Acrobat
Reader' software that works under Win98.


> Its under the heading of PDF Utilities and is the first one under that heading,, "Adobe Reader
> 6.06". Its a bummer too, because I only have v5,, no joy there.

Do you have computer-magazines with cover-discs from 2004 to
early 2005? Do you have a support-CD with drivers for some peace
of hardware from the same period? Do you have a Windows
computer-game from then? Chances are you have an installer for
Acrobat 6.x on one of those...
I find two types of Acrobat 6.0.x Reader installers both
digitally signed (2003-11-04) by Adobe;
[AdbeRdr60_enu.exe] (8.71 MB (9,143,000 bytes))
[AdbeRdr60_enu_full.exe] (15.9 MB (16,706,160 bytes))

A not yet closed loophole is to FTP ...
for the above mentioned 6.x Installers and others at:
<ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/win/6.x/6.0/enu/>
and for the sequential updates under:
<ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/acrobat/win/6.x/>


.... An IMO better solution is to use the 'Foxit PDF Reader'. I
have an older version but hopefully 'Foxit Reader 2.3', found at
the bottom of <http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php> is
still ok for Win98.
Direct DL-link
<http://mirrors.foxitsoftware.com/pub/foxit/reader/desktop/win/2.x/2.3/enu/FoxitReader231_enu_Setup.exe>)


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[Etal]

joy wrote:

>> Biggest problem is software.
>> MSFN has a list of software products that still work for 98SE.
>> http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=105936
>
> Not sure who is MSFN except for the obvious, but whoever maintains the site might need to edit the
> page.
> I found a couple of links, one being adobe, that wont allow a 98 download.

<http://get.adobe.com/reader/otherversions/>
Stupid and annoying web-page, not allowing to download 'Acrobat
Reader' software that works under Win98.


> Its under the heading of PDF Utilities and is the first one under that heading,, "Adobe Reader
> 6.06". Its a bummer too, because I only have v5,, no joy there.

Do you have computer-magazines with cover-discs from 2004 to
early 2005? Do you have a support-CD with drivers for some peace
of hardware from the same period? Do you have a Windows
computer-game from then? Chances are you have an installer for
Acrobat 6.x on one of those...
I find two types of Acrobat 6.0.x Reader installers both
digitally signed (2003-11-04) by Adobe;
[AdbeRdr60_enu.exe] (8.71 MB (9,143,000 bytes))
[AdbeRdr60_enu_full.exe] (15.9 MB (16,706,160 bytes))

A not yet closed loophole is to FTP ...
for the above mentioned 6.x Installers and others at:
<ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/win/6.x/6.0/enu/>
and for the sequential updates under:
<ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/acrobat/win/6.x/>


.... An IMO better solution is to use the 'Foxit PDF Reader'. I
have an older version but hopefully 'Foxit Reader 2.3', found at
the bottom of <http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php> is
still ok for Win98.
Direct DL-link
<http://mirrors.foxitsoftware.com/pub/foxit/reader/desktop/win/2.x/2.3/enu/FoxitReader231_enu_Setup.exe>)


--
Nah-ah. I'm staying out of this. ... Now, here's my opinion.

Please followup in the newsgroup.
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[dlsayremn]

"joy" wrote:

>
> > Biggest problem is software.
> > MSFN has a list of software products that still work for 98SE.
> > http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=105936
> >
> > DLSayre
>
> Not sure who is MSFN except for the obvious, but whoever maintains the site might need to edit the
> page.
> I found a couple of links, one being adobe, that wont allow a 98 download.
> Its under the heading of PDF Utilities and is the first one under that heading,, "Adobe Reader
> 6.06". Its a bummer too, because I only have v5,, no joy there.
>

> Joy, I am sorry. They don't mention that to load Adobe 6.06 you need to have v. 6.05, and to load v 6.05 you need v. 6.04, v 6.04 needs 6.03. Versions 6.03 will update 6.02, 6.01 and 6.00, but you have to start with Adobe 6.00. Adobe has only updates 6.02 to 6.06 and nothing for 6.00. Only link I could find for Adobe 6.00 is at Brothersoft.com and I am not sure how safe they are.

http://www.brothersoft.com/adobe-reader-download-59854.html

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donations and fees for ads. Membership is worldwide. Knowledge of members is
same as here, some members are on both forums.
>

[dlsayremn]

"joy" wrote:

>
> > Biggest problem is software.
> > MSFN has a list of software products that still work for 98SE.
> > http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=105936
> >
> > DLSayre
>
> Not sure who is MSFN except for the obvious, but whoever maintains the site might need to edit the
> page.
> I found a couple of links, one being adobe, that wont allow a 98 download.
> Its under the heading of PDF Utilities and is the first one under that heading,, "Adobe Reader
> 6.06". Its a bummer too, because I only have v5,, no joy there.
>

> Joy, I am sorry. They don't mention that to load Adobe 6.06 you need to have v. 6.05, and to load v 6.05 you need v. 6.04, v 6.04 needs 6.03. Versions 6.03 will update 6.02, 6.01 and 6.00, but you have to start with Adobe 6.00. Adobe has only updates 6.02 to 6.06 and nothing for 6.00. Only link I could find for Adobe 6.00 is at Brothersoft.com and I am not sure how safe they are.

http://www.brothersoft.com/adobe-reader-download-59854.html

MicrosoftSoftwareForumNews. org has been around for 8 years that I know
about, is free, and is not affiliated with Microsoft. Support is from member
donations and fees for ads. Membership is worldwide. Knowledge of members is
same as here, some members are on both forums.
>