Tweakui setting question

[ms]

I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop shortcuts, long
ago. Many cold boots since then.

But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow.

The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is:
tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000

Advice?

MS

[PCR]

ms wrote:
| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop shortcuts,
| long ago. Many cold boots since then.
|
| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow.
|
| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is:
| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000
|
| Advice?

Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a latter
day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to know for sure
what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut!

| MS

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Should things get worse after this,
PCR

[ms]

"PCR" > wrote in news:OwKi$ZlKJHA.920
@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

> ms wrote:
>| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop shortcuts,
>| long ago. Many cold boots since then.
>|
>| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow.
>|
>| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is:
>| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000
>|
>| Advice?
>
> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a latter
> day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to know for sure
> what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut!
>
>| MS
>

Thanks, PCR, I haven't posted for about a year here, glad to see you're
still helping people.

ms

[PCR]

ms wrote:
| "PCR" > wrote in news:OwKi$ZlKJHA.920
| @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
|
|> ms wrote:
|>| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop
|>| shortcuts, long ago. Many cold boots since then.
|>|
|>| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow.
|>|
|>| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is:
|>| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000
|>|
|>| Advice?
|>
|> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a
|> latter day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to
|> know for sure what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a
|> shortcut!
|>
|>| MS
|>
|
| Thanks, PCR, I haven't posted for about a year here, glad to see
| you're still helping people.

You are welcome. Yea, I'm still here all right. Good to see you back
too.

| ms

--
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There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

[thanatoid]

"PCR" > wrote in
:

> ms wrote:
>| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop
>| shortcuts, long ago. Many cold boots since then.
>|
>| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow.
>|
>| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is:
>| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000
>|
>| Advice?
>
> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken
> by a latter day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows
> anyhow to know for sure what you are dealing with-- a
> shortcut or not a shortcut!
>
>| MS
>

Yeah, if you're a MORON! Install BOB while you're at it!

(/NOT/ to be taken personally, please.)

The "shortcuts to 'documents' " (fubar forbid we call them
FILES) on the desktop was one of MS's 10 stupidest ideas ever,
giving people another way out of /ever/ understanding the idea
of directory and file structures or disk organization in
general.




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[Franc Zabkar]

On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:32:11 -0400, "PCR" > put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>ms wrote:
>| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop shortcuts,
>| long ago. Many cold boots since then.
>|
>| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow.
>|
>| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is:
>| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000
>|
>| Advice?
>
>Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a latter
>day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to know for sure
>what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut!
>
>| MS

I have "unhidden" the PIF and LNK extensions by editing the registry.
Now I see all my desktop shortcuts as .PIFs or .LNKs.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

[MEB[_2_]]

"Franc Zabkar" > wrote in message
...
| On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:32:11 -0400, "PCR" > put
| finger to keyboard and composed:
|
| >ms wrote:
| >| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop shortcuts,
| >| long ago. Many cold boots since then.
| >|
| >| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow.
| >|
| >| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is:
| >| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000
| >|
| >| Advice?
| >
| >Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a latter
| >day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to know for sure
| >what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut!
| >
| >| MS
|
| I have "unhidden" the PIF and LNK extensions by editing the registry.
| Now I see all my desktop shortcuts as .PIFs or .LNKs.
|
| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Uhm, just a caution... when you make the show all extension changes in the
registry you have to remember that if you then modify a shortcut you MUST
remember to provide the "full" extension with the *.*.* [pif, link,etc.] or
they will not work. There are other extension which will also be shown which
you may not recognize.

YES, it is a good security measure, however, many people may make the wrong
judgments due to having never seeing those extensions before.

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_ _
~~

[PCR]

thanatoid wrote:
| "PCR" > wrote in
| :
|
|> ms wrote:
|>| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop
|>| shortcuts, long ago. Many cold boots since then.
|>|
|>| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow.
|>|
|>| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is:
|>| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000
|>|
|>| Advice?
|>
|> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken
|> by a latter day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows
|> anyhow to know for sure what you are dealing with-- a
|> shortcut or not a shortcut!
|>
|>| MS
|>
|
| Yeah, if you're a MORON! Install BOB while you're at it!
|
| (/NOT/ to be taken personally, please.)
|
| The "shortcuts to 'documents' " (fubar forbid we call them
| FILES) on the desktop was one of MS's 10 stupidest ideas ever,
| giving people another way out of /ever/ understanding the idea
| of directory and file structures or disk organization in
| general.

I always rename my desktop shortcuts. So, that doesn't bother me. As far
as directory structure, you can't expect to see that on the desktop,
anyhow. You see it in Explorer or your substitute for that!

Keep your arrows, unless William Tell is your greatgrandfather! There
are times to know what you are dealing with-- shortcut or not a
shortcut! Dragging & dropping them can produce different results, & you
don't want to accidentally delete an important app!

| --
| Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the
| votes decide everything.
| - Josef Stalin

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

[PCR]

Franc Zabkar wrote:
| On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:32:11 -0400, "PCR" > put
| finger to keyboard and composed:
|
|>ms wrote:
|>| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop
|>| shortcuts, long ago. Many cold boots since then.
|>|
|>| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow.
|>|
|>| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is:
|>| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000
|>|
|>| Advice?
|>
|>Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a
|>latter day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to know
|>for sure what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut!
|>
|>| MS
|
| I have "unhidden" the PIF and LNK extensions by editing the registry.
| Now I see all my desktop shortcuts as .PIFs or .LNKs.

Well, I see MEB has listed serious cautions about that. Otherwise, I
guess I have no objection, but I know little about it. What is the
advantage? In Explorer, they show up as "Shortcut", "Internet Shortcut",
or "Shortcut to MS-DOS Program" in the type column-- without having made
any Registry tweak.

| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

[Franc Zabkar]

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:54:05 -0400, "PCR" > put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>Franc Zabkar wrote:

>| I have "unhidden" the PIF and LNK extensions by editing the registry.
>| Now I see all my desktop shortcuts as .PIFs or .LNKs.
>
>Well, I see MEB has listed serious cautions about that. Otherwise, I
>guess I have no objection, but I know little about it. What is the
>advantage? In Explorer, they show up as "Shortcut", "Internet Shortcut",
>or "Shortcut to MS-DOS Program" in the type column-- without having made
>any Registry tweak.

What if you received an email attachment named filename.txt.lnk? Could
that be exploited by malware? As far as you would know, you would be
clicking on a harmless text file.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

[thanatoid]

"PCR" > wrote in
:

<SNIP>

>|> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was
>|> broken by a latter day Windows Update. You should keep
>|> your arrows anyhow to know for sure what you are dealing
>|> with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut!
>|>
>|>| MS
>|>
>|
>| Yeah, if you're a MORON! Install BOB while you're at it!
>|
>| (/NOT/ to be taken personally, please.)
>|
>| The "shortcuts to 'documents' " (fubar forbid we call them
>| FILES) on the desktop was one of MS's 10 stupidest ideas
>| ever, giving people another way out of /ever/
>| understanding the idea of directory and file structures or
>| disk organization in general.
>
> I always rename my desktop shortcuts.

I only have desktop shortcuts to programs. I am a firm believer
in basics, and one of those is that you open a /program/, and
/THEN/ you open the file. All the crap MS has inflicted on us to
make it easier on people who cannot understand that /A/ program
opens /A/ file and that it is not a bad idea to keep those files
in /A/ specific /DIRECTORY/ (as you know, easily done right-
clicking to properties and "start in" - admittedly, even that is
black magic to 95% of "computer users") has only created more
annoyances, even if one gets paid to resolve them.

> So, that doesn't
> bother me. As far as directory structure, you can't expect
> to see that on the desktop, anyhow. You see it in Explorer
> or your substitute for that!

No, but concepts and logic are system-wide (I'm talking about
the "human brain") and "travel" for lack of a better word.
Someone who has never seen a two-pane file manager and calls
tech support when their "desktop shortcut" to a file doesn't
work has NO chance of ever understanding the structure of their
computer and many other things as well. (The fact most people
are incapable of thinking and don't WANT to understand anything
is another subject.)

I readily admit we have gone far beyond any hope of people
really understanding how to use computers, and all that MS et al
are doing is making them the REAL "idiot box #2". That used to
be just a joke, now it's a reality ("Media Edition"!!! Yeay!!!)

And I believe most people are quite happy with it.

The fact I have been attacked many times just for suggesting
partitions are a good idea is proof enough that the situation is
totally hopeless. Apparently people ENJOY defragging overnight
only to find their 800 GB C: drive has frozen when they wake up.

Still, posting in these groups /is/ a way of killing time.

> Keep your arrows, unless William Tell is your
> greatgrandfather! There are times to know what you are
> dealing with-- shortcut or not a shortcut! Dragging &
> dropping them can produce different results, & you don't
> want to accidentally delete an important app!

As previously stated, if you're a moron and don't even know that
you can rename icons (fubar forbid CHANGE them), whether
shortcuts or programs or whatever.

Don't even get me started on dragging and dropping, and how
/delightfully/ easy WE makes it, especially with an 800 GB C:
drive with 500 "folders".

"Where did that come from?"

"Where did "My Documents" go! I am DEAD!"

"What /is/ that? Can I delete it?" [Del]

"What's a "recycle bin"?

(...)

"Honey (Mom, Dad, "teach")! Do you have the tech support phone
no?"

[$$$$$$]

I weep for the post-98SE generation. Actually even 98 is
unbearable, I use Lite to have the 95 shell. Making everything
look like the web was THE stupidest idea EVER. Needless to say,
(almost) everyone loved it.

(blah blah blah blah blah...........)

Sigh.


--
Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the
votes decide everything.
- Josef Stalin

[thanatoid]

"PCR" > wrote in
:

<SNIP>

> Well, I see MEB has listed serious cautions about that.
> Otherwise, I guess I have no objection, but I know little
> about it. What is the advantage? In Explorer, they show up
> as "Shortcut", "Internet Shortcut", or "Shortcut to MS-DOS
> Program" in the type column-- without having made any
> Registry tweak.

Assuming you actually have the "details" view enabled. Certainly
you know most people have extensions off (#1 award for THE worst
default ever, MS), "big icons" view /de rigeur/, and never heard
of editing the registry, or perhaps even the registry itself.
After all, it IS a hidden file(s) :-)

"Dad! Where did all my pretty icons go? I can't READ all this
stuff? My head hurts! Where is clippy?"


--
Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the
votes decide everything.
- Josef Stalin

[ms]

"PCR" > wrote in news:OwKi$ZlKJHA.920
@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

> ms wrote:
>| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop shortcuts,
>| long ago. Many cold boots since then.
>|
>| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow.
>|
>| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is:
>| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000
>|
>| Advice?
>
> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a latter
> day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to know for sure
> what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut!
>
>| MS
>
I never had a problem with "a shortcut or not a shortcut!"

I only have 6 total icons on desktop, and only 5 I've created, but those
arrows on this particular W98 machine really bug me.

If Tweakui with None selected in this machine does not do it, is there
any way in registry, etc to remove those arrows?

ms

[MEB[_2_]]

There are a couple of ways from creating blank/transparent pics - to
registry modifications, many of which have been previously discussed in this
forum, here's one from an MVP on another help forum:

http://discussions.virtualdr.com/showthread.php?t=40000
March 18th, 2002, 09:50 AM
Steve R Jones
Site Moderator Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Dallas, Tx.
Posts: 15,948

Shell32 Security Patch Disables TweakUI Function

The new Microsoft security patch for the Windows shell that replaces the
shell32.dll file (Q313829) also disables the function of TweakUI for
removing shortcut arrows on Desktop icons.

To Remove shortcut icon arrows:

- Delete [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\LNKFILE\IsShortcut]
- Delete [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\PIFFILE\IsShortcut]


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"ms" > wrote in message
...
| "PCR" > wrote in news:OwKi$ZlKJHA.920
| @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
|
| > ms wrote:
| >| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop shortcuts,
| >| long ago. Many cold boots since then.
| >|
| >| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow.
| >|
| >| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is:
| >| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000
| >|
| >| Advice?
| >
| > Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a latter
| > day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to know for sure
| > what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut!
| >
| >| MS
| >
| I never had a problem with "a shortcut or not a shortcut!"
|
| I only have 6 total icons on desktop, and only 5 I've created, but those
| arrows on this particular W98 machine really bug me.
|
| If Tweakui with None selected in this machine does not do it, is there
| any way in registry, etc to remove those arrows?
|
| ms

[Franc Zabkar]

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:56:16 -0400, "PCR" > put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>Franc Zabkar wrote:

>| What if you received an email attachment named filename.txt.lnk? Could
>| that be exploited by malware? As far as you would know, you would be
>| clicking on a harmless text file.
>
>I didn't think of that. But I do have avast!'s E-Mail checker
>activated...
>
>X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081010-0, 10/10/2008), Inbound message
>X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
>
>..., not to mention the WEB Shield. Also, wouldn't the .lnk still
>highlight with a different color when pointed at-- even if does look
>like a .txt?

Probably, but then my brain would always need to be in gear to make
sure I noticed it.

- Franc Zabkar
--
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[MEB[_2_]]

"PCR" > wrote in message
...
| ms wrote:
| | "PCR" > wrote in news:OwKi$ZlKJHA.920
| | @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
| |
| |> ms wrote:
| |>| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop
| |>| shortcuts, long ago. Many cold boots since then.
| |>|
| |>| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow.
| |>|
| |>| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is:
| |>| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000
| |>|
| |>| Advice?
| |>
| |> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a
| |> latter day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to
| |> know for sure what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a
| |> shortcut!
| |>
| |>| MS
| |>
| | I never had a problem with "a shortcut or not a shortcut!"
| |
| | I only have 6 total icons on desktop, and only 5 I've created, but
| | those arrows on this particular W98 machine really bug me.
| |
| | If Tweakui with None selected in this machine does not do it, is there
| | any way in registry, etc to remove those arrows?
|
| I see MEB is willing to take that up. Fine... let it be on his head if
| disaster should strike!
|
| | ms
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR

Well, I certainly don't want ms to enable viewing ALL extensions or
disabling certain needed aspects for Windows other functions or files. Its a
toss-up, either we supply something here or ms will likely look elsewhere as
was done before, and then there potentially WOULD be a mess to cleanup. I
didn't address other more potentially dangerous modifications, only those
which might be associated with the desktop shortcuts {for the most part},
shortcuts and pifs.

This isn't meant as derogatory towards ms or others... just trying to be as
safe as possible, yet deal with the issue in some fashion.

--
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http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel
_ _
~~

[thanatoid]

"PCR" > wrote in
:

<SNIP>

>| understand that /A/ program opens /A/ file and that it is
>| not a bad idea to keep those files in /A/ specific
>| /DIRECTORY/ (as you know, easily done right- clicking to
>| properties and "start in" - admittedly, even that is black
>| magic to 95% of "computer users") has only created more
>| annoyances, even if one gets paid to resolve them.
>
> Nevertheless, you must keep your arrows! It's better to
> know what your dealing with -- shortcut or not a shortcut
> -- than to worry about all of that!

No offense, please, but talking to a brick wall comes to mind...

<SNIP>

> In some cases, clicking a shortcut that has lost its target
> will cause it to go on a searching for it. Then, if found,
> you may decide whether it is an acceptable copy or whether
> to look in the Recycle Bin or to try a 3rd-party undelete.
> All of that is good! Who knows whether some of those tweaks
> that turn off shortcut arrows will interfere with that
> process!?

I don't think that would happen even though we ARE talking about
a MS OS.

>| I readily admit we have gone far beyond any hope of people
>| really understanding how to use computers, and all that MS
>| et al are doing is making them the REAL "idiot box #2".
>| That used to be just a joke, now it's a reality ("Media
>| Edition"!!! Yeay!!!)
>|
>| And I believe most people are quite happy with it.
>
> Convenience is a good thing. You can STILL seek to
> understand the inner workings if you want-- but just go
> with convenience if you don't!

"Give me convenience or give me death."
- Jello Biafra, Dead Kennedys

<SNIP>

> I've finally gone to multiple partitions. My only regret is
> that a full system backup is a tad more difficult to do.

Very happy to hear it.

Still, who needs a "full system" backup? One of the MANY reasons
for partitions is that you backup or image C and never have to
worry about "system" again.
All your other stuff is organized according to your preferences
and can be backed up once a day or once a year depending on how
important it is and how often the content is changed.

>| Still, posting in these groups /is/ a way of killing time.
>
> There's also a certain sense of accomplishment getting
> things solved here.

Had to look at the bright side, huh ;-#

<SNIP>

>| Don't even get me started on dragging and dropping, and
>| how /delightfully/ easy WE makes it, especially with an
>| 800 GB C: drive with 500 "folders".
>
> Well -- rather than memorize all those drag/drop rules
> every time one forgets them (if one ever knew them all in
> the first place) -- I've learned it's BEST ALWAYS to R-Drag
> everything instead of L-Drag. That way you get a choice
> when the button is released-- not the least of which is
> "cancel"!

No, you simply NEVER open WE and you use a /real/ file manager.
I have mentioned my favorite enough times but ANYTHING is better
than WE.

Cheers,
t.

[Dan]

PCR, I just don't get it because new Microsoft operating systems seem to
continue to be loaded down with more and more stuff and Microsoft is not the
only guilty party. Apple has been doing this with I-tunes and adding in
Quicktime and Bonjour to the mix. It really is annoying and frustrating to
me because the software and operating systems become more toy-like and the
users seem to want more and more but not have the interest or the time to
understand the smallest aspects of the operating systems and the software. I
remember and appreciate having started gaming with cartridge games and King's
Quest 1 for the IBM PCjr and simple 4 color games. I also played lots of
text-based games like the Zork series and Wishbringer by Infocom. These text
based games gave me an appreciation of the text based interface and I still
prefer reading actual books and the actual newspaper. I am concerned and
worried about this and future generations because they are just having
everything in graphics and so many having everything done so simply so how
can they appreciate the goodness of life and the fresh air outdoors and just
enjoy being in Nature and being thankful for everything they have despite the
crap that life has thrown at them. You know it is just me venting because XP
Professional is now having serious issues. Fortunately, 98 Second Edition
does not seem to have the problems that XP Pro. has and I certainly think XP
Pro. has been overrated. Do not worry because 98 Second Edition remains my
favorite Microsoft Operating System despite having used MS-DOS, Windows 3.x,
Windows 2000, Windows ME, Windows XP Home and Pro., Windows Vista, etc. I am
slowly starting the transition to Ubuntu Linux where my future computing
needs will partially remain as well as using Windows as needed.

"PCR" wrote:

> thanatoid wrote:
> | "PCR" > wrote in
> | :
> |
> | <SNIP>
> |
> |>|> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was
> |>|> broken by a latter day Windows Update. You should keep
> |>|> your arrows anyhow to know for sure what you are dealing
> |>|> with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut!
> |>|>
> |>|>| MS
> |>|>
> |>|
> |>| Yeah, if you're a MORON! Install BOB while you're at it!
> |>|
> |>| (/NOT/ to be taken personally, please.)
> |>|
> |>| The "shortcuts to 'documents' " (fubar forbid we call them
> |>| FILES) on the desktop was one of MS's 10 stupidest ideas
> |>| ever, giving people another way out of /ever/
> |>| understanding the idea of directory and file structures or
> |>| disk organization in general.
> |>
> |> I always rename my desktop shortcuts.
> |
> | I only have desktop shortcuts to programs. I am a firm believer
> | in basics, and one of those is that you open a /program/, and
> | /THEN/ you open the file. All the crap MS has inflicted on us to
> | make it easier on people who cannot understand that /A/ program
> | opens /A/ file and that it is not a bad idea to keep those files
> | in /A/ specific /DIRECTORY/ (as you know, easily done right-
> | clicking to properties and "start in" - admittedly, even that is
> | black magic to 95% of "computer users") has only created more
> | annoyances, even if one gets paid to resolve them.
>
> Nevertheless, you must keep your arrows! It's better to know what your
> dealing with -- shortcut or not a shortcut -- than to worry about all of
> that!
>
> |> So, that doesn't
> |> bother me. As far as directory structure, you can't expect
> |> to see that on the desktop, anyhow. You see it in Explorer
> |> or your substitute for that!
> |
> | No, but concepts and logic are system-wide (I'm talking about
> | the "human brain") and "travel" for lack of a better word.
> | Someone who has never seen a two-pane file manager and calls
> | tech support when their "desktop shortcut" to a file doesn't
> | work has NO chance of ever understanding the structure of their
> | computer and many other things as well. (The fact most people
> | are incapable of thinking and don't WANT to understand anything
> | is another subject.)
>
> In some cases, clicking a shortcut that has lost its target will cause
> it to go on a searching for it. Then, if found, you may decide whether
> it is an acceptable copy or whether to look in the Recycle Bin or to try
> a 3rd-party undelete. All of that is good! Who knows whether some of
> those tweaks that turn off shortcut arrows will interfere with that
> process!?
>
> | I readily admit we have gone far beyond any hope of people
> | really understanding how to use computers, and all that MS et al
> | are doing is making them the REAL "idiot box #2". That used to
> | be just a joke, now it's a reality ("Media Edition"!!! Yeay!!!)
> |
> | And I believe most people are quite happy with it.
>
> Convenience is a good thing. You can STILL seek to understand the inner
> workings if you want-- but just go with convenience if you don't!
>
> | The fact I have been attacked many times just for suggesting
> | partitions are a good idea is proof enough that the situation is
> | totally hopeless. Apparently people ENJOY defragging overnight
> | only to find their 800 GB C: drive has frozen when they wake up.
>
> I've finally gone to multiple partitions. My only regret is that a full
> system backup is a tad more difficult to do.
>
> | Still, posting in these groups /is/ a way of killing time.
>
> There's also a certain sense of accomplishment getting things solved
> here.
>
> |> Keep your arrows, unless William Tell is your
> |> greatgrandfather! There are times to know what you are
> |> dealing with-- shortcut or not a shortcut! Dragging &
> |> dropping them can produce different results, & you don't
> |> want to accidentally delete an important app!
> |
> | As previously stated, if you're a moron and don't even know that
> | you can rename icons (fubar forbid CHANGE them), whether
> | shortcuts or programs or whatever.
> |
> | Don't even get me started on dragging and dropping, and how
> | /delightfully/ easy WE makes it, especially with an 800 GB C:
> | drive with 500 "folders".
>
> Well -- rather than memorize all those drag/drop rules every time one
> forgets them (if one ever knew them all in the first place) -- I've
> learned it's BEST ALWAYS to R-Drag everything instead of L-Drag. That
> way you get a choice when the button is released-- not the least of
> which is "cancel"!
>
> | "Where did that come from?"
> |
> | "Where did "My Documents" go! I am DEAD!"
> |
> | "What /is/ that? Can I delete it?" [Del]
> |
> | "What's a "recycle bin"?
>
> R-Drag with the mouse instead of L-Drag to cut those questions in half!
>
> | (...)
> |
> | "Honey (Mom, Dad, "teach")! Do you have the tech support phone
> | no?"
> |
> | [$$$$$$]
> |
> | I weep for the post-98SE generation. Actually even 98 is
> | unbearable, I use Lite to have the 95 shell. Making everything
> | look like the web was THE stupidest idea EVER. Needless to say,
> | (almost) everyone loved it.
> |
> | (blah blah blah blah blah...........)
> |
> | Sigh.
>
> Don't worry. Those who have permanently quit us for XP/Vista will be
> back when they have turned half purple of the irradiation!
>
> | --
> | Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the
> | votes decide everything.
> | - Josef Stalin
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
>
>
>
>

[ms]

"PCR" > wrote in news:eXTfi7#KJHA.5328
@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

> ms wrote:
>| "PCR" > wrote in news:OwKi$ZlKJHA.920
>| @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
>|
>|> ms wrote:
>|>| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop
>|>| shortcuts, long ago. Many cold boots since then.
>|>|
>|>| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow.
>|>|
>|>| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is:
>|>| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000
>|>|
>|>| Advice?
>|>
>|> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a
>|> latter day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to
>|> know for sure what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a
>|> shortcut!
>|>
>|>| MS
>|>
>| I never had a problem with "a shortcut or not a shortcut!"
>|
>| I only have 6 total icons on desktop, and only 5 I've created, but
>| those arrows on this particular W98 machine really bug me.
>|
>| If Tweakui with None selected in this machine does not do it, is there
>| any way in registry, etc to remove those arrows?
>
> I see MEB is willing to take that up. Fine... let it be on his head if
> disaster should strike!
>
>| ms
>
I should clarify that this is a used machine, no new MS patches for
probably 3 years, but as you suggested about a patch, maybe the previous
owner had back then loaded a patch, that now my using Tweakui, the arrow
can't be eliminated. Everybody's browsing habits are different, with
mine, I ran a W98SE machine, after a reformat and new OS install,
browsing with no patches for 8 months and no problems. At that time the
power supply died, so that was the end of it.

ms

[ms]

"MEB" <meb@not > wrote in news:uobcye#KJHA.4772
@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> Uhm, perhaps I should also supply a safer way noted here:
> http://www.mdgx.com/newtip11.htm
> DITCH THOSE ARROWS!
>
> Note that the change is from IsShortcut to IsNotShortcut.
>
> A "HACK" uses a resource hacker tool to change shell32 Shortcut Icon to
> transparent or nothing. TweakUI doesn't work because the location and
> addressing changed with the security update.
>

Thanks, MEB, I will ponder both your posts, and post with results.

ms

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message >, PCR
> writes
[]
>Nevertheless, you must keep your arrows! It's better to know what your
>dealing with -- shortcut or not a shortcut -- than to worry about all of
>that!

I tend to agree, but there are some here you'll NEVER convince!
[]
>I've finally gone to multiple partitions. My only regret is that a full
>system backup is a tad more difficult to do.

(As someone else said, you don't need to backup other than C:, unless
what's on the others is important. Obviously, only applies if all your
app.s are on C.)
[]
>Well -- rather than memorize all those drag/drop rules every time one
>forgets them (if one ever knew them all in the first place) -- I've
>learned it's BEST ALWAYS to R-Drag everything instead of L-Drag. That
>way you get a choice when the button is released-- not the least of
>which is "cancel"!
>
Well, I thought I knew it fairly well, but am still learning: I'd not
come across right-drag before, thanks.

Now how do you do it with a touchpad?
[]
>| "Honey (Mom, Dad, "teach")! Do you have the tech support phone
>| no?"
>|
>| [$$$$$$]

(-:
>|
>| I weep for the post-98SE generation. Actually even 98 is
>| unbearable, I use Lite to have the 95 shell. Making everything

There are at least 3 of us lite-ers here ... (and one person on one of
the '98 'groups, who hates it ...)

>| look like the web was THE stupidest idea EVER. Needless to say,

Agreed (well, not sure about stupidest ever - defaulting to hidden
extensions, and various aspects of the interconnectedness of the OS [let
alone IE] could be worse, but it's pretty bad).

>| (almost) everyone loved it.

Agreed )-:
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on PCs. **

When you are in it up to your ears, keep your mouth shut.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message >, Franc Zabkar
> writes
[]
>>Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a latter
>>day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to know for sure
>>what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut!
>>
>>| MS
>
>I have "unhidden" the PIF and LNK extensions by editing the registry.
>Now I see all my desktop shortcuts as .PIFs or .LNKs.
>
>- Franc Zabkar

You see them as .lnk files, we see them as with arrows - does it matter,
as long as we know they're shortcuts? (Though if you're the person who
only has 5 icons on his desktop, it isn't hard to remember anyway.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on PCs. **

When you are in it up to your ears, keep your mouth shut.

[MEB[_2_]]

Okay, just remember to export those keys *first* so if you want you can
re-install them.

Its easy to forget what changes we make to our registries and systems, so I
have a directory of the exports JUST IN CASE, and Total Uninstall [with
exported txts], RegSeeker [and some others], backups of the entire default
{clean updated installation} registry and at various stages, and Windows
Install Cleanup and a few other tools to help.

Yeah, overly redundant, but I've found my memory just isn't as good and
readily available as 30 years ago....

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel
_ _
~~
"ms" > wrote in message
...
| "MEB" <meb@not > wrote in news:uobcye#KJHA.4772
| @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
|
| > Uhm, perhaps I should also supply a safer way noted here:
| > http://www.mdgx.com/newtip11.htm
| > DITCH THOSE ARROWS!
| >
| > Note that the change is from IsShortcut to IsNotShortcut.
| >
| > A "HACK" uses a resource hacker tool to change shell32 Shortcut Icon to
| > transparent or nothing. TweakUI doesn't work because the location and
| > addressing changed with the security update.
| >
|
| Thanks, MEB, I will ponder both your posts, and post with results.
|
| ms

[Franc Zabkar]

On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:00:11 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>In message >, Franc Zabkar
> writes
>[]
>>>Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a latter
>>>day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to know for sure
>>>what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut!
>>>
>>>| MS
>>
>>I have "unhidden" the PIF and LNK extensions by editing the registry.
>>Now I see all my desktop shortcuts as .PIFs or .LNKs.
>>
>>- Franc Zabkar
>
>You see them as .lnk files, we see them as with arrows - does it matter,
>as long as we know they're shortcuts? (Though if you're the person who
>only has 5 icons on his desktop, it isn't hard to remember anyway.)

I see them as .lnk files everywhere else, not just the desktop.

The only things I put on my desktop are shortcuts and folders which
contain only shortcuts.

I suppose it doesn't matter whether the arrow is there or not, but
obviously some people prefer not to see them, otherwise TweakUI
wouldn't have given them that option.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

[Franc Zabkar]

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:56:16 -0400, "PCR" > put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>Franc Zabkar wrote:

>| What if you received an email attachment named filename.txt.lnk? Could
>| that be exploited by malware? As far as you would know, you would be
>| clicking on a harmless text file.
>
>I didn't think of that. But I do have avast!'s E-Mail checker
>activated...

There are several other file types which remain hidden even though
"hide file types" is turned off:
http://seclists.org/bugtraq/2000/May/0184.html

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

[Dan]

Yet, if XP was on the Internet and un-patched it would be targeted quickly
and this just goes to show ms how 98 Second Edition is much safer internally
than XP ever was.

"ms" wrote:

> "PCR" > wrote in news:eXTfi7#KJHA.5328
> @TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
>
> > ms wrote:
> >| "PCR" > wrote in news:OwKi$ZlKJHA.920
> >| @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
> >|
> >|> ms wrote:
> >|>| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop
> >|>| shortcuts, long ago. Many cold boots since then.
> >|>|
> >|>| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow.
> >|>|
> >|>| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is:
> >|>| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000
> >|>|
> >|>| Advice?
> >|>
> >|> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a
> >|> latter day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to
> >|> know for sure what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a
> >|> shortcut!
> >|>
> >|>| MS
> >|>
> >| I never had a problem with "a shortcut or not a shortcut!"
> >|
> >| I only have 6 total icons on desktop, and only 5 I've created, but
> >| those arrows on this particular W98 machine really bug me.
> >|
> >| If Tweakui with None selected in this machine does not do it, is there
> >| any way in registry, etc to remove those arrows?
> >
> > I see MEB is willing to take that up. Fine... let it be on his head if
> > disaster should strike!
> >
> >| ms
> >
> I should clarify that this is a used machine, no new MS patches for
> probably 3 years, but as you suggested about a patch, maybe the previous
> owner had back then loaded a patch, that now my using Tweakui, the arrow
> can't be eliminated. Everybody's browsing habits are different, with
> mine, I ran a W98SE machine, after a reformat and new OS install,
> browsing with no patches for 8 months and no problems. At that time the
> power supply died, so that was the end of it.
>
> ms
>

[ms]

"MEB" <meb@not > wrote in news:uobcye#KJHA.4772
@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> Uhm, perhaps I should also supply a safer way noted here:
> http://www.mdgx.com/newtip11.htm
> DITCH THOSE ARROWS!
>


From that link:
---
2. SAFER :
"To safely hack the Registry to permanently remove those funky little
shortcut arrows, without adversely affecting your program shortcuts in
any way, start Regedit and go to:
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Lnkfile
and to: HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Piffile

In each of these folders the right hand pane has the "IsShortcut" String
Value.
Right-click on it, select Rename, and change it to read "IsNotShortcut"
(no quotes).
Close Regedit and reboot.
The arrows are gone now, but Windows still sees all the affected icons as
shortcuts and treats them accordingly. :)"
---

That sounded useful, used RegEditPlus, then RegSeek, finally RegSeeker to
search for HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Lnkfile

That key does not exist in my registry- ????

Then I noted some MS patches had been installed, the help data refers to
Q313829, I can't relate the app note number to the number of any of the
patches, planned to uninstall the patch if necessary.

I searched for Q313829. I don't find a MS appnote with that number, lots
of hits in Google, but can only say that "some" patch back in 2002 did
affect shell.dll, supposed to cure a exploit. I never patched for that in
other W98 machines, never had a problem.

Advice?

ms

[PCR]

---- Original Message ----
From: "Franc Zabkar" >
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 09:41 PM
Subject: Re: Tweakui setting question

| On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:56:16 -0400, "PCR" > put
| finger to keyboard and composed:
|
|>Franc Zabkar wrote:
|
|>| What if you received an email attachment named filename.txt.lnk?
|>| Could that be exploited by malware? As far as you would know, you
|>| would be clicking on a harmless text file.
|>
|>I didn't think of that. But I do have avast!'s E-Mail checker
|>activated...
|>
|>X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081010-0, 10/10/2008), Inbound message
|>X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
|>
|>..., not to mention the WEB Shield. Also, wouldn't the .lnk still
|>highlight with a different color when pointed at-- even if does look
|>like a .txt?
|
| Probably, but then my brain would always need to be in gear to make
| sure I noticed it.

I think it probably would behave just like the .lnk it is at some point.
Attachments should always be downloaded & examined closely before
clicking. Now, I've attached a "Garbage.txt.lnk" to an E-Mail to myself
just to see how that really goes... it went really well! (And I haven't
done that Registry tweak.)

It shows up in the E-Mail in an "Attach" box with the name
"Garbage.txt.url (138 bytes)". And, if I try to open it, I get an "Open
Attachment Warning". It gives the choice to continue to open it or to
save it to disk.

Could be that IE6 SP1 has solved a problem that may have existed in
earlier versions when Rollyson made his discoveries. It doesn't seem the
tweak to see the file type of .url is necessary anymore!

....snip
|
| There are several other file types which remain hidden even though
| "hide file types" is turned off:
| http://seclists.org/bugtraq/2000/May/0184.html

I had a quick look. The 10 items Rollyson posted look like the same 10
I've got. I'll have to examine it more closely later. Did you undo all
10 "NeverShowExt" & with not a single regret or just the various
shortcuts? But it doesn't appear to be necessary anymore!

| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

[FromTheRafters[_2_]]

"PCR" > wrote in message
...
[snip]

> In some cases, clicking a shortcut that has lost its target will cause
> it to go on a searching for it. Then, if found, you may decide whether
> it is an acceptable copy or whether to look in the Recycle Bin or to try
> a 3rd-party undelete. All of that is good! Who knows whether some of
> those tweaks that turn off shortcut arrows will interfere with that
> process!?

I assume that was a rhetorical question, but I am curious about
it as a literal case. Surely, extracting the icon from the shell32.dll
icon library (if that is where it resides) - editing it and embedding
it back in would alleviate any complications that arise with any
functional dependency on the reg key value. However, that would
be an overly complicated method if a simple reg key deletion
achieves the same result for the user - without complications.

[PCR]

thanatoid wrote:
| "PCR" > wrote in
| :
|
| <SNIP>
|
|>| understand that /A/ program opens /A/ file and that it is
|>| not a bad idea to keep those files in /A/ specific
|>| /DIRECTORY/ (as you know, easily done right- clicking to
|>| properties and "start in" - admittedly, even that is black
|>| magic to 95% of "computer users") has only created more
|>| annoyances, even if one gets paid to resolve them.
|>
|> Nevertheless, you must keep your arrows! It's better to
|> know what your dealing with -- shortcut or not a shortcut
|> -- than to worry about all of that!
|
| No offense, please, but talking to a brick wall comes to mind...

I meant "you're dealing", not "your"-- I'm surprised you missed that!
I'm not worried about directory structure or the properties of
shortcuts. All of that is the same regardless of whether you've kept
your arrows! Keep them-- & use R-Drag too!

| <SNIP>
|
|> In some cases, clicking a shortcut that has lost its target
|> will cause it to go on a searching for it. Then, if found,
|> you may decide whether it is an acceptable copy or whether
|> to look in the Recycle Bin or to try a 3rd-party undelete.
|> All of that is good! Who knows whether some of those tweaks
|> that turn off shortcut arrows will interfere with that
|> process!?
|
| I don't think that would happen even though we ARE talking about
| a MS OS.

I possibly depends on the particular tweak. But I see no reason to test
it!

|>| I readily admit we have gone far beyond any hope of people
|>| really understanding how to use computers, and all that MS
|>| et al are doing is making them the REAL "idiot box #2".
|>| That used to be just a joke, now it's a reality ("Media
|>| Edition"!!! Yeay!!!)
|>|
|>| And I believe most people are quite happy with it.
|>
|> Convenience is a good thing. You can STILL seek to
|> understand the inner workings if you want-- but just go
|> with convenience if you don't!
|
| "Give me convenience or give me death."
| - Jello Biafra, Dead Kennedys

LOL.

| <SNIP>
|
|> I've finally gone to multiple partitions. My only regret is
|> that a full system backup is a tad more difficult to do.
|
| Very happy to hear it.
|
| Still, who needs a "full system" backup? One of the MANY reasons
| for partitions is that you backup or image C and never have to
| worry about "system" again.
| All your other stuff is organized according to your preferences
| and can be backed up once a day or once a year depending on how
| important it is and how often the content is changed.

Well, now that MS no longer offers updates for Win98, that's mostly
true, yea. Certain 3rd-party apps are doing periodic updates on C:,
though, like NetZero & avast!. I YET want to research more fully JUST
where they put their updates so that I can just copy those over
periodically to my clone, instead of doing the full system thing. If the
Registry is involved, I'd have to copy that over too.

|>| Still, posting in these groups /is/ a way of killing time.
|>
|> There's also a certain sense of accomplishment getting
|> things solved here.
|
| Had to look at the bright side, huh ;-#

Might as well. Even this horrible economic crisis has the bright side
that I might finally get into the market at the bottom. I've always
hated missing my chance back in '87-- I waited too long & never got in!
The extra trouble this time is that some stocks are going to zero! I
don't remember that happening back then! SO... likely I'll delay too
long this time too-- damn!

| <SNIP>
|
|>| Don't even get me started on dragging and dropping, and
|>| how /delightfully/ easy WE makes it, especially with an
|>| 800 GB C: drive with 500 "folders".
|>
|> Well -- rather than memorize all those drag/drop rules
|> every time one forgets them (if one ever knew them all in
|> the first place) -- I've learned it's BEST ALWAYS to R-Drag
|> everything instead of L-Drag. That way you get a choice
|> when the button is released-- not the least of which is
|> "cancel"!
|
| No, you simply NEVER open WE and you use a /real/ file manager.
| I have mentioned my favorite enough times but ANYTHING is better
| than WE.

I like to stick with MS to be able to answer questions here. If I don't
use Explorer, how will I be able to do that?

| Cheers,

:-).

| t.
|
|
| --
| Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the
| votes decide everything.
| - Josef Stalin

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

[PCR]

Dan wrote:
| PCR, I just don't get it because new Microsoft operating systems seem
| to continue to be loaded down with more and more stuff and Microsoft
| is not the only guilty party. Apple has been doing this with I-tunes
| and adding in Quicktime and Bonjour to the mix. It really is
| annoying and frustrating to me because the software and operating
| systems become more toy-like and the users seem to want more and more
| but not have the interest or the time to understand the smallest
| aspects of the operating systems and the software. I remember and
| appreciate having started gaming with cartridge games and King's
| Quest 1 for the IBM PCjr and simple 4 color games. I also played
| lots of text-based games like the Zork series and Wishbringer by
| Infocom. These text based games gave me an appreciation of the text
| based interface and I still prefer reading actual books and the
| actual newspaper. I am concerned and worried about this and future
| generations because they are just having everything in graphics and
| so many having everything done so simply so how can they appreciate
| the goodness of life and the fresh air outdoors and just enjoy being
| in Nature and being thankful for everything they have despite the
| crap that life has thrown at them. You know it is just me venting
| because XP Professional is now having serious issues. Fortunately,
| 98 Second Edition does not seem to have the problems that XP Pro. has
| and I certainly think XP Pro. has been overrated. Do not worry
| because 98 Second Edition remains my favorite Microsoft Operating
| System despite having used MS-DOS, Windows 3.x, Windows 2000, Windows
| ME, Windows XP Home and Pro., Windows Vista, etc. I am slowly
| starting the transition to Ubuntu Linux where my future computing
| needs will partially remain as well as using Windows as needed.

Yes, I noticed you posted elsewhere that XP has gone horribly bad. I'm
not surprised. You should go tell Colorado (Bill of Co.)-- let it be an
object lesson to him! He continues to insist his has never seriously
crashed! I am pleased Win98SE is your favorite.

| "PCR" wrote:
|
|> thanatoid wrote:
|> | "PCR" > wrote in
|> | :
|> |
|> | <SNIP>
|> |
|> |>|> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was
|> |>|> broken by a latter day Windows Update. You should keep
|> |>|> your arrows anyhow to know for sure what you are dealing
|> |>|> with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut!
|> |>|>
|> |>|>| MS
|> |>|>
|> |>|
|> |>| Yeah, if you're a MORON! Install BOB while you're at it!
|> |>|
|> |>| (/NOT/ to be taken personally, please.)
|> |>|
|> |>| The "shortcuts to 'documents' " (fubar forbid we call them
|> |>| FILES) on the desktop was one of MS's 10 stupidest ideas
|> |>| ever, giving people another way out of /ever/
|> |>| understanding the idea of directory and file structures or
|> |>| disk organization in general.
|> |>
|> |> I always rename my desktop shortcuts.
|> |
|> | I only have desktop shortcuts to programs. I am a firm believer
|> | in basics, and one of those is that you open a /program/, and
|> | /THEN/ you open the file. All the crap MS has inflicted on us to
|> | make it easier on people who cannot understand that /A/ program
|> | opens /A/ file and that it is not a bad idea to keep those files
|> | in /A/ specific /DIRECTORY/ (as you know, easily done right-
|> | clicking to properties and "start in" - admittedly, even that is
|> | black magic to 95% of "computer users") has only created more
|> | annoyances, even if one gets paid to resolve them.
|>
|> Nevertheless, you must keep your arrows! It's better to know what
|> your dealing with -- shortcut or not a shortcut -- than to worry
|> about all of that!
|>
|> |> So, that doesn't
|> |> bother me. As far as directory structure, you can't expect
|> |> to see that on the desktop, anyhow. You see it in Explorer
|> |> or your substitute for that!
|> |
|> | No, but concepts and logic are system-wide (I'm talking about
|> | the "human brain") and "travel" for lack of a better word.
|> | Someone who has never seen a two-pane file manager and calls
|> | tech support when their "desktop shortcut" to a file doesn't
|> | work has NO chance of ever understanding the structure of their
|> | computer and many other things as well. (The fact most people
|> | are incapable of thinking and don't WANT to understand anything
|> | is another subject.)
|>
|> In some cases, clicking a shortcut that has lost its target will
|> cause it to go on a searching for it. Then, if found, you may decide
|> whether it is an acceptable copy or whether to look in the Recycle
|> Bin or to try a 3rd-party undelete. All of that is good! Who knows
|> whether some of those tweaks that turn off shortcut arrows will
|> interfere with that process!?
|>
|> | I readily admit we have gone far beyond any hope of people
|> | really understanding how to use computers, and all that MS et al
|> | are doing is making them the REAL "idiot box #2". That used to
|> | be just a joke, now it's a reality ("Media Edition"!!! Yeay!!!)
|> |
|> | And I believe most people are quite happy with it.
|>
|> Convenience is a good thing. You can STILL seek to understand the
|> inner workings if you want-- but just go with convenience if you
|> don't!
|>
|> | The fact I have been attacked many times just for suggesting
|> | partitions are a good idea is proof enough that the situation is
|> | totally hopeless. Apparently people ENJOY defragging overnight
|> | only to find their 800 GB C: drive has frozen when they wake up.
|>
|> I've finally gone to multiple partitions. My only regret is that a
|> full system backup is a tad more difficult to do.
|>
|> | Still, posting in these groups /is/ a way of killing time.
|>
|> There's also a certain sense of accomplishment getting things solved
|> here.
|>
|> |> Keep your arrows, unless William Tell is your
|> |> greatgrandfather! There are times to know what you are
|> |> dealing with-- shortcut or not a shortcut! Dragging &
|> |> dropping them can produce different results, & you don't
|> |> want to accidentally delete an important app!
|> |
|> | As previously stated, if you're a moron and don't even know that
|> | you can rename icons (fubar forbid CHANGE them), whether
|> | shortcuts or programs or whatever.
|> |
|> | Don't even get me started on dragging and dropping, and how
|> | /delightfully/ easy WE makes it, especially with an 800 GB C:
|> | drive with 500 "folders".
|>
|> Well -- rather than memorize all those drag/drop rules every time one
|> forgets them (if one ever knew them all in the first place) -- I've
|> learned it's BEST ALWAYS to R-Drag everything instead of L-Drag. That
|> way you get a choice when the button is released-- not the least of
|> which is "cancel"!
|>
|> | "Where did that come from?"
|> |
|> | "Where did "My Documents" go! I am DEAD!"
|> |
|> | "What /is/ that? Can I delete it?" [Del]
|> |
|> | "What's a "recycle bin"?
|>
|> R-Drag with the mouse instead of L-Drag to cut those questions in
|> half!
|>
|> | (...)
|> |
|> | "Honey (Mom, Dad, "teach")! Do you have the tech support phone
|> | no?"
|> |
|> | [$$$$$$]
|> |
|> | I weep for the post-98SE generation. Actually even 98 is
|> | unbearable, I use Lite to have the 95 shell. Making everything
|> | look like the web was THE stupidest idea EVER. Needless to say,
|> | (almost) everyone loved it.
|> |
|> | (blah blah blah blah blah...........)
|> |
|> | Sigh.
|>
|> Don't worry. Those who have permanently quit us for XP/Vista will be
|> back when they have turned half purple of the irradiation!
|>
|> | --
|> | Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the
|> | votes decide everything.
|> | - Josef Stalin
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|>

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[PCR]

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
| In message >, PCR
| > writes
| []
|>Nevertheless, you must keep your arrows! It's better to know what your
|>dealing with -- shortcut or not a shortcut -- than to worry about all
|>of that!
|
| I tend to agree, but there are some here you'll NEVER convince!
| []

More is the pity! Everyone must keep their shortcut arrows!

|>I've finally gone to multiple partitions. My only regret is that a
|>full system backup is a tad more difficult to do.
|
| (As someone else said, you don't need to backup other than C:, unless
| what's on the others is important. Obviously, only applies if all your
| app.s are on C.)
| []

Some 3rd-party apps, like my NetZero & avast!, will update themselves.
NetZero even does that stealthily! I must fully investigate where they
put their changes to copy them over separately, even if it also includes
the Registry (which probably it doesn't). I learned to that the hard way
when I was using McAfee. Once/twice, after reverting to a full system
backup-- I had to spend a couple of hours taking in McAfee def updates!

|>Well -- rather than memorize all those drag/drop rules every time one
|>forgets them (if one ever knew them all in the first place) -- I've
|>learned it's BEST ALWAYS to R-Drag everything instead of L-Drag. That
|>way you get a choice when the button is released-- not the least of
|>which is "cancel"!
|>
| Well, I thought I knew it fairly well, but am still learning: I'd not
| come across right-drag before, thanks.

Yep-- that's a good one! It was somewhere in "Windows 98 Secrets"
(Livingston/Straub).

| Now how do you do it with a touchpad?
| []

LOL-- I don't know!

|>| "Honey (Mom, Dad, "teach")! Do you have the tech support phone
|>| no?"
|>|
|>| [$$$$$$]
|
| (-:
|>|
|>| I weep for the post-98SE generation. Actually even 98 is
|>| unbearable, I use Lite to have the 95 shell. Making everything
|
| There are at least 3 of us lite-ers here ... (and one person on one of
| the '98 'groups, who hates it ...)

I think that's Terhune who absolutely hates it. (I would never think of
using it myself too though.)

|>| look like the web was THE stupidest idea EVER. Needless to say,
|
| Agreed (well, not sure about stupidest ever - defaulting to hidden
| extensions, and various aspects of the interconnectedness of the OS
| [let alone IE] could be worse, but it's pretty bad).

Interconnectedness-- yea, you could have unexpected & unfortunate
consequences reverting to IE lite! But I'm not here to take up that
argument-- wait for Terhune to arrive or Google his writings!

|>| (almost) everyone loved it.
|
| Agreed )-:
| []
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| MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf **
| http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on
| PCs. **
|
| When you are in it up to your ears, keep your mouth shut.

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FromTheRafters wrote:
| "PCR" > wrote in message
| ...
| [snip]
|
|> In some cases, clicking a shortcut that has lost its target will
|> cause it to go on a searching for it. Then, if found, you may decide
|> whether it is an acceptable copy or whether to look in the Recycle
|> Bin or to try a 3rd-party undelete. All of that is good! Who knows
|> whether some of those tweaks that turn off shortcut arrows will
|> interfere with that process!?
|
| I assume that was a rhetorical question, but I am curious about
| it as a literal case. Surely, extracting the icon from the shell32.dll
| icon library (if that is where it resides) - editing it and embedding
| it back in would alleviate any complications that arise with any
| functional dependency on the reg key value. However, that would
| be an overly complicated method if a simple reg key deletion
| achieves the same result for the user - without complications.

I understand there was more than one dastardly method to get rid of
arrows. But I don't know the details of them-- & I don't want to! I love
my arrows! I know for sure it isn't just one icon involved, though. I
can see more many different ones on my own desktop. It even could be the
arrow is drawn separately on top of a normal icon. (I don't know.)

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[FromTheRafters[_2_]]

"PCR" > wrote in message
...
> FromTheRafters wrote:
> | "PCR" > wrote in message
> | ...
> | [snip]
> |
> |> In some cases, clicking a shortcut that has lost its target will
> |> cause it to go on a searching for it. Then, if found, you may decide
> |> whether it is an acceptable copy or whether to look in the Recycle
> |> Bin or to try a 3rd-party undelete. All of that is good! Who knows
> |> whether some of those tweaks that turn off shortcut arrows will
> |> interfere with that process!?
> |
> | I assume that was a rhetorical question, but I am curious about
> | it as a literal case. Surely, extracting the icon from the shell32.dll
> | icon library (if that is where it resides) - editing it and embedding
> | it back in would alleviate any complications that arise with any
> | functional dependency on the reg key value. However, that would
> | be an overly complicated method if a simple reg key deletion
> | achieves the same result for the user - without complications.
>
> I understand there was more than one dastardly method to get rid of
> arrows. But I don't know the details of them-- & I don't want to! I love
> my arrows! I know for sure it isn't just one icon involved, though. I
> can see more many different ones on my own desktop. It even could be the
> arrow is drawn separately on top of a normal icon. (I don't know.)

It appears to be a transparent overlay on the original icon. To those
that wish it gone - it is a blemish on the original icon. :o)

Use the properties of the lnk file to browse for a new icon and
check out the icon - an invisible rectangle with the arrow in the
corner. I'm on XP right now and it resides in %systemroot%/
system32/shell32.dll.

[PCR]

Franc Zabkar wrote:
| On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:00:11 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
| > put finger to keyboard and composed:
|
|>In message >, Franc Zabkar
> writes
|>[]
|>>>Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a
|>>>latter day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to
|>>>know for sure what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a
|>>>shortcut!
|>>>
|>>>| MS
|>>
|>>I have "unhidden" the PIF and LNK extensions by editing the registry.
|>>Now I see all my desktop shortcuts as .PIFs or .LNKs.
|>>
|>>- Franc Zabkar
|>
|>You see them as .lnk files, we see them as with arrows - does it
|>matter, as long as we know they're shortcuts? (Though if you're the
|>person who only has 5 icons on his desktop, it isn't hard to remember
|>anyway.)
|
| I see them as .lnk files everywhere else, not just the desktop.
|
| The only things I put on my desktop are shortcuts and folders which
| contain only shortcuts.

You could go one step further & move the folders themselves off the
Desktop. Then, put shortcuts to the folders onto the Desktop. After
that, you could have either shortcuts (as you do now) or actual apps in
the folders.

| I suppose it doesn't matter whether the arrow is there or not, but
| obviously some people prefer not to see them, otherwise TweakUI
| wouldn't have given them that option.
|
| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

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[PCR]

MEB wrote:
| "PCR" > wrote in message
| ...
|| ms wrote:
|| | "PCR" > wrote in news:OwKi$ZlKJHA.920
|| | @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
|| |
|| |> ms wrote:
|| |>| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop
|| |>| shortcuts, long ago. Many cold boots since then.
|| |>|
|| |>| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow.
|| |>|
|| |>| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is:
|| |>| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000
|| |>|
|| |>| Advice?
|| |>
|| |> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a
|| |> latter day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to
|| |> know for sure what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a
|| |> shortcut!
|| |>
|| |>| MS
|| |>
|| | I never had a problem with "a shortcut or not a shortcut!"
|| |
|| | I only have 6 total icons on desktop, and only 5 I've created, but
|| | those arrows on this particular W98 machine really bug me.
|| |
|| | If Tweakui with None selected in this machine does not do it, is
|| | there any way in registry, etc to remove those arrows?
||
|| I see MEB is willing to take that up. Fine... let it be on his head
|| if disaster should strike!
||
|| | ms
||
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|| Naturally, you will not sue,
|| Should things get worse after this,
|| PCR
|
| Well, I certainly don't want ms to enable viewing ALL extensions or
| disabling certain needed aspects for Windows other functions or
| files. Its a toss-up, either we supply something here or ms will
| likely look elsewhere as was done before, and then there potentially
| WOULD be a mess to cleanup. I didn't address other more potentially
| dangerous modifications, only those which might be associated with
| the desktop shortcuts {for the most part}, shortcuts and pifs.
|
| This isn't meant as derogatory towards ms or others... just trying
| to be as safe as possible, yet deal with the issue in some fashion.

(I didn't mean anything.) Now, I've noticed he cannot find...
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Lnkfile

That should be present! But I'm leaving it in your hands! Here is what
mine looks like. It's a mysterious one with those CLSIDs. You see why I
won't mess with this...!?!...

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile]
@="Shortcut"
"EditFlags"=dword:00000001
"IsShortcut"=""
"NeverShowExt"=""

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile\CLSID]
@="{00021401-0000-0000-C000-000000000046}"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile\shellex]

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile\shellex\IconHandler]
@="{00021401-0000-0000-C000-000000000046}"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile\shellex\DropHandler]
@="{00021401-0000-0000-C000-000000000046}"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile\shellex\ContextMenuHandl ers]

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile\shellex\ContextMenuHandl ers\{00021401-0000-00
00-C000-000000000046}]
@=""

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| http://peoplescounsel.org
| a Peoples' counsel
| _ _
| ~~

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[PCR]

ms wrote:
| "PCR" > wrote in news:eXTfi7#KJHA.5328
| @TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
|
|> ms wrote:
|>| "PCR" > wrote in news:OwKi$ZlKJHA.920
|>| @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
|>|
|>|> ms wrote:
|>|>| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop
|>|>| shortcuts, long ago. Many cold boots since then.
|>|>|
|>|>| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow.
|>|>|
|>|>| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is:
|>|>| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000
|>|>|
|>|>| Advice?
|>|>
|>|> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a
|>|> latter day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to
|>|> know for sure what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a
|>|> shortcut!
|>|>
|>|>| MS
|>|>
|>| I never had a problem with "a shortcut or not a shortcut!"
|>|
|>| I only have 6 total icons on desktop, and only 5 I've created, but
|>| those arrows on this particular W98 machine really bug me.
|>|
|>| If Tweakui with None selected in this machine does not do it, is
|>| there any way in registry, etc to remove those arrows?
|>
|> I see MEB is willing to take that up. Fine... let it be on his head
|> if disaster should strike!
|>
|>| ms
|>
| I should clarify that this is a used machine, no new MS patches for
| probably 3 years, but as you suggested about a patch, maybe the
| previous owner had back then loaded a patch, that now my using
| Tweakui, the arrow can't be eliminated. Everybody's browsing habits
| are different, with mine, I ran a W98SE machine, after a reformat and
| new OS install, browsing with no patches for 8 months and no
| problems. At that time the power supply died, so that was the end of
| it.

Well, I don't want to mess with this arrow issue. But, maybe start by
asking TweakUI to give them back. What it did obviously is no longer
effective. And maybe you will get your missing Registry key back for MEB
to play with.

| ms

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[PCR]

FromTheRafters wrote:
| "PCR" > wrote in message
| ...
|> FromTheRafters wrote:
|> | "PCR" > wrote in message
|> | ...
|> | [snip]
|> |
|> |> In some cases, clicking a shortcut that has lost its target will
|> |> cause it to go on a searching for it. Then, if found, you may
|> |> decide whether it is an acceptable copy or whether to look in the
|> |> Recycle Bin or to try a 3rd-party undelete. All of that is good!
|> |> Who knows whether some of those tweaks that turn off shortcut
|> |> arrows will interfere with that process!?
|> |
|> | I assume that was a rhetorical question, but I am curious about
|> | it as a literal case. Surely, extracting the icon from the
|> | shell32.dll icon library (if that is where it resides) - editing
|> | it and embedding it back in would alleviate any complications that
|> | arise with any functional dependency on the reg key value.
|> | However, that would
|> | be an overly complicated method if a simple reg key deletion
|> | achieves the same result for the user - without complications.
|>
|> I understand there was more than one dastardly method to get rid of
|> arrows. But I don't know the details of them-- & I don't want to! I
|> love my arrows! I know for sure it isn't just one icon involved,
|> though. I can see more many different ones on my own desktop. It
|> even could be the arrow is drawn separately on top of a normal icon.
|> (I don't know.)
|
| It appears to be a transparent overlay on the original icon. To those
| that wish it gone - it is a blemish on the original icon. :o)

LOL-- unless they sit around with an apple on their heads for more than
an hour, everyone should love their arrows!

| Use the properties of the lnk file to browse for a new icon and
| check out the icon - an invisible rectangle with the arrow in the
| corner. I'm on XP right now and it resides in %systemroot%/
| system32/shell32.dll.

In Win98, it is in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SHELL32.DLL. But I don't recommend
anyone fool with it!

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[MEB[_2_]]

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile]
@="Shortcut"
"EditFlags"=dword:00000001
"IsShortcut"=""
"NeverShowExt"=""

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\piffile]
@="Shortcut to MS-DOS Program"
"EditFlags"=hex:01,00,00,00
"IsShortcut"=""
"NeverShowExt"=""

Depending upon the program and its settings, CASE does matter....

The change is at:
IsShortcut

to

IsNotShortcut

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~~
"ms" > wrote in message
...
| "MEB" <meb@not > wrote in news:uobcye#KJHA.4772
| @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
|
| > Uhm, perhaps I should also supply a safer way noted here:
| > http://www.mdgx.com/newtip11.htm
| > DITCH THOSE ARROWS!
| >
|
|
| From that link:
| ---
| 2. SAFER :
| "To safely hack the Registry to permanently remove those funky little
| shortcut arrows, without adversely affecting your program shortcuts in
| any way, start Regedit and go to:
| HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Lnkfile
| and to: HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Piffile
|
| In each of these folders the right hand pane has the "IsShortcut" String
| Value.
| Right-click on it, select Rename, and change it to read "IsNotShortcut"
| (no quotes).
| Close Regedit and reboot.
| The arrows are gone now, but Windows still sees all the affected icons as
| shortcuts and treats them accordingly. :)"
| ---
|
| That sounded useful, used RegEditPlus, then RegSeek, finally RegSeeker to
| search for HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Lnkfile
|
| That key does not exist in my registry- ????
|
| Then I noted some MS patches had been installed, the help data refers to
| Q313829, I can't relate the app note number to the number of any of the
| patches, planned to uninstall the patch if necessary.
|
| I searched for Q313829. I don't find a MS appnote with that number, lots
| of hits in Google, but can only say that "some" patch back in 2002 did
| affect shell.dll, supposed to cure a exploit. I never patched for that in
| other W98 machines, never had a problem.
|
| Advice?
|
| ms

[thanatoid]

"PCR" > wrote in
:

> thanatoid wrote:

<SNIP>

>|> Nevertheless, you must keep your arrows! It's better to
>|> know what your dealing with -- shortcut or not a shortcut
>|> -- than to worry about all of that!
>|
>| No offense, please, but talking to a brick wall comes to
>| mind...
>
> I meant "you're dealing", not "your"-- I'm surprised you
> missed that!

Mustah been a'tha talk 'bout them arras!

> I'm not worried about directory structure or
> the properties of shortcuts. All of that is the same
> regardless of whether you've kept your arrows! Keep them--
> & use R-Drag too!

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
| | | | | | | |
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
| | | | | | | | |
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
| | | | | | | |

Close enough ;-) ?

<SNIP>

>|> Who knows
>|> whether some of those tweaks that turn off shortcut
>|> arrows will interfere with that process!?
>|
>| I don't think that would happen even though we ARE talking
>| about a MS OS.
>
> I possibly depends on the particular tweak. But I see no
> reason to test it!

Well, at least we agree on that!

>| Still, who needs a "full system" backup? One of the MANY
>| reasons for partitions is that you backup or image C and
>| never have to worry about "system" again.
>| All your other stuff is organized according to your
>| preferences and can be backed up once a day or once a year
>| depending on how important it is and how often the content
>| is changed.
>
> Well, now that MS no longer offers updates for Win98,

I don't think I ever installed more than one or two, if that. As
an additional benefit, I have



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> that's mostly true, yea. Certain 3rd-party apps are doing
> periodic updates on C:, though, like NetZero & avast!.

It is - I thought /needless/ to mention - that after restoring
your last image (or however you do the C thing) you must then
update certain system drive changes and updates. And perhaps add
a program or two (or 15) you've added since and decided are
actually worth using, etc.

Then you can make a new image.

I used to labor under the illusion that I had the "perfect
setup" - icons stayed in their place (this was before I found
IconSaver), I had ALL the programs I could ever possibly need,.
etc... About 20 "perfect setup" CD images later... Stopped
counting... I just date them now.

Sigh.

> I've always hated missing my chance back in '87-- I
> waited too long & never got in!

My family - including yours truly - have always been /really/
brilliant with money. It's a miracle we don't live under a
bridge and I'm not doing this from the "hobo corner" of the
local library. I got into mutual funds about 6 weeks before that
crash. Although I must say that I seem to have done a pretty
good job of "diversifying" - only lost about 1 or 2 percent that
day, but since the money was my parents, they of course /made
me/ sell immediately. (See first sentence of this paragraph.)

OTOH, a have a friend who bought a bunch of MS stock in the late
70's.

Sigh (again).

> The extra trouble this time
> is that some stocks are going to zero! I don't remember
> that happening back then! SO... likely I'll delay too long
> this time too-- damn!

I just wish I knew whether I should change all my money into
Euros or not.

<SNIP>

>| No, you simply NEVER open WE and you use a /real/ file
>| manager. I have mentioned my favorite enough times but
>| ANYTHING is better than WE.
>
> I like to stick with MS to be able to answer questions
> here. If I don't use Explorer, how will I be able to do
> that?

I didn't even /know/ there was an r-drag! I /did/ know there was
a shift-drag. (At least in Total Commander.)

You /don't need/ to know that crap when you use a 2-paner for
all file operations. But I guess there are people who find
hitting one key harder than spending 30 seconds or more screwing
around with the mouse.

The ONLY time I drag and drop is when I move a set of dirs into
the "create and burn ISO file" in Goldenhawk CDRWin. /Very/
occasionally when I move a single file out of a dir into the
previous branch, and when I am working in the other pane at the
same time.

Anyway, you tell them the truth - which I have typed more often
than I like to think about:

WE IS NOT A FILE MANAGER TOOL. IT IS A TORTURE DEVICE DESIGNED
TO ALLOW YOU TO DO THE LEAST POSSIBLE WITH THE MOST TROUBLE
POSSIBLE AND TO MAKE IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND LET
ALONE CONTROL YOUR MACHINE.

The ONLY thing I have found that Explorer can do that one or
another program can not is to set the icons for file types. I
tried to set htm and html to the same icon with WinAssociate,
and
html worked (icon #160) but for some reason htm insisted on
defaulting to the FIRST (#0) icon in my custom-made _desktop.dll
file (which I use instead of shell32.dll for my icon needs and
have for ages).

It /IS/ possible (and I sure as hell hope) that the reason for
this is that I was using an older version of WinAssociate!

Anyway, you can't /REMOVE/ WE and you can't kill its process -
but the above is the ONLY thing I ever do with it. Just like the
ONLY thing I ever do with IE is read chm help files. But I ran
across an app which converts chm to html and while I haven't had
time to try it yet, it may allow me to never ever see IE's ugly
mug again.


--
Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the
votes decide everything.
- Josef Stalin

[Franc Zabkar]

On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:35:32 -0400, "PCR" > put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>---- Original Message ----
>From: "Franc Zabkar" >
>Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
>Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 09:41 PM
>Subject: Re: Tweakui setting question

>| There are several other file types which remain hidden even though
>| "hide file types" is turned off:
>| http://seclists.org/bugtraq/2000/May/0184.html
>
>I had a quick look. The 10 items Rollyson posted look like the same 10
>I've got. I'll have to examine it more closely later. Did you undo all
>10 "NeverShowExt" & with not a single regret or just the various
>shortcuts? But it doesn't appear to be necessary anymore!

I went through the registry on my own many years ago and "unhid" all
the file types I could find. So far no problems. In fact an issue with
hidden ShellScrap file types was well publicised quite a few years
ago. That's what prompted me to look for others.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

[MEB[_2_]]

"Franc Zabkar" > wrote in message
...
| On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:35:32 -0400, "PCR" > put
| finger to keyboard and composed:
|
| >---- Original Message ----
| >From: "Franc Zabkar" >
| >Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
| >Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 09:41 PM
| >Subject: Re: Tweakui setting question
|
| >| There are several other file types which remain hidden even though
| >| "hide file types" is turned off:
| >| http://seclists.org/bugtraq/2000/May/0184.html
| >
| >I had a quick look. The 10 items Rollyson posted look like the same 10
| >I've got. I'll have to examine it more closely later. Did you undo all
| >10 "NeverShowExt" & with not a single regret or just the various
| >shortcuts? But it doesn't appear to be necessary anymore!
|
| I went through the registry on my own many years ago and "unhid" all
| the file types I could find. So far no problems. In fact an issue with
| hidden ShellScrap file types was well publicized quite a few years
| ago. That's what prompted me to look for others.
|
| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Yeah, but that shell scrap issue was easily and permanently remedied by a
simple file rename like:
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SHSCRAP.DLL.org
which is something I've done on every 98 computer I ever worked on and
never had a complaint of something not working. Heck I even forget that I do
it...

I think I found some of the best info *back then* {2000-which still seems
available}:
http://www.pc-help.org/security/scrap.htm

Microsoft supposedly provided a fix for OutLook email hacks:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/235309 which caused a number of problems,
and required {as usual} another update, which also didn't really work.

OE users were given this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/267580/EN-US/ {**take note of the JAVA
caution at the bottom and the general file attachment caution**}

OE 6 gave the Security Option to disallow saving and opening attachments [as
if].

So yeah, I would agree, IF the user is capable of understanding what they
are seeing and what it means (and only then), then unhide ALL extensions....
just be sure they do know AND don't forget....

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel
_ _
~~

[Franc Zabkar]

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:24:30 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not >
put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Uhm, perhaps I should also supply a safer way noted here:
>http://www.mdgx.com/newtip11.htm
>DITCH THOSE ARROWS!
>
>Note that the change is from IsShortcut to IsNotShortcut.

That gets rid of the arrows, but then my three-finger desktop
shortcuts (Ctrl-Alt-x) stop working. :-(

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

[MEB[_2_]]

Yeah, as usual, its a toss-up. Its whatever serves your usage style that
matters.

Franc, you being who you are, might want to try the resource hack....lots
of information on and some nice tools for image and other resource hacking
on the Net... don't forget to backup what your working on [and the registry]
BEFORE you start playing around...

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel
_ _
~~
"Franc Zabkar" > wrote in message
...
| On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:24:30 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not >
| put finger to keyboard and composed:
|
| >Uhm, perhaps I should also supply a safer way noted here:
| >http://www.mdgx.com/newtip11.htm
| >DITCH THOSE ARROWS!
| >
| >Note that the change is from IsShortcut to IsNotShortcut.
|
| That gets rid of the arrows, but then my three-finger desktop
| shortcuts (Ctrl-Alt-x) stop working. :-(
|
| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

[PCR]

thanatoid wrote:
| "PCR" > wrote in
| :
|
|> thanatoid wrote:
|
| <SNIP>
|
|>|> Nevertheless, you must keep your arrows! It's better to
|>|> know what your dealing with -- shortcut or not a shortcut
|>|> -- than to worry about all of that!
|>|
|>| No offense, please, but talking to a brick wall comes to
|>| mind...
|>
|> I meant "you're dealing", not "your"-- I'm surprised you
|> missed that!
|
| Mustah been a'tha talk 'bout them arras!

Hmph!

|> I'm not worried about directory structure or
|> the properties of shortcuts. All of that is the same
|> regardless of whether you've kept your arrows! Keep them--
|> & use R-Drag too!
|
| _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
| | | | | | | | |
| _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
|| | | | | | | | |
| _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
| | | | | | | | |
|
| Close enough ;-) ?
............................................... ^
Put some HEADS on those...!... |

| <SNIP>
|
|>|> Who knows
|>|> whether some of those tweaks that turn off shortcut
|>|> arrows will interfere with that process!?
|>|
|>| I don't think that would happen even though we ARE talking
|>| about a MS OS.
|>
|> I possibly depends on the particular tweak. But I see no
|> reason to test it!
|
| Well, at least we agree on that!

Very good, then.

|>| Still, who needs a "full system" backup? One of the MANY
|>| reasons for partitions is that you backup or image C and
|>| never have to worry about "system" again.
|>| All your other stuff is organized according to your
|>| preferences and can be backed up once a day or once a year
|>| depending on how important it is and how often the content
|>| is changed.
|>
|> Well, now that MS no longer offers updates for Win98,
|
| I don't think I ever installed more than one or two, if that.

Very bad-- very, very bad! That's WORSE than killing arrows almost!

| As
| an additional benefit, I have
|
|
|
| NO ARROWS!
| NO ARROWS!
| NO ARROWS!
| NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO
| ARROWS!
| NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO
| ARROWS! NO ARROWS!
| NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO
| ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS!
| NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO
| ARROWS! NO ARROWS!
| NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO
| ARROWS!
| NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO
| ARROWS!
| NO ARROWS!
| NO ARROWS!
| NO ARROWS!

Go back up, & fix your arrow heads then-- for heaven's sake! For all the
reasons I've already said! I mean it this time!

|> that's mostly true, yea. Certain 3rd-party apps are doing
|> periodic updates on C:, though, like NetZero & avast!.
|
| It is - I thought /needless/ to mention - that after restoring
| your last image (or however you do the C thing) you must then
| update certain system drive changes and updates. And perhaps add
| a program or two (or 15) you've added since and decided are
| actually worth using, etc.
|
| Then you can make a new image.

Absolutely. But my own full system backup (which really is less than
full now that I've split partitions) is a clone of C:-- not an image!
So, occasionally, I just copy changes over from C: to the D:clone. It's
great, unless I wait too long & forget what I've done. Also, some
changes are difficult to decipher; so, I'd have to do the full clone
again.

| I used to labor under the illusion that I had the "perfect
| setup" - icons stayed in their place (this was before I found
| IconSaver), I had ALL the programs I could ever possibly need,.
| etc... About 20 "perfect setup" CD images later... Stopped
| counting... I just date them now.
|
| Sigh.

I understand.

|> I've always hated missing my chance back in '87-- I
|> waited too long & never got in!
|
| My family - including yours truly - have always been /really/
| brilliant with money. It's a miracle we don't live under a
| bridge and I'm not doing this from the "hobo corner" of the
| local library. I got into mutual funds about 6 weeks before that
| crash. Although I must say that I seem to have done a pretty
| good job of "diversifying" - only lost about 1 or 2 percent that
| day, but since the money was my parents, they of course /made
| me/ sell immediately. (See first sentence of this paragraph.)

That's sadder than my own story. I never got in at all, so never rode
the market from the 2,000's to the 14,000's. But you & your family got
in just long enough to loose 50% or so of your dough-- taking the rest
out to miss the ride up! Yikes! Do they still talk to you?

Back then, we could have bought at the low OR at the high & still looked
good today. But we don't have 20 years anymore to try it that way now!
So, we really need to catch the real low this time! And yesterday it
wen't up 936 points! God-- I hate it! Now, at today's close it's fairly
well held yesterday's gain-- sheesh, down only 76 points! Sounds like
another missed bottom to me!

| OTOH, a have a friend who bought a bunch of MS stock in the late
| 70's.
|
| Sigh (again).

Yea. One's got to know TWO things, when to get in-- & when to get back
out!

|> The extra trouble this time
|> is that some stocks are going to zero! I don't remember
|> that happening back then! SO... likely I'll delay too long
|> this time too-- damn!
|
| I just wish I knew whether I should change all my money into
| Euros or not.

I don't know. But this crisis is worldwide!

| <SNIP>
|
|>| No, you simply NEVER open WE and you use a /real/ file
|>| manager. I have mentioned my favorite enough times but
|>| ANYTHING is better than WE.
|>
|> I like to stick with MS to be able to answer questions
|> here. If I don't use Explorer, how will I be able to do
|> that?
|
| I didn't even /know/ there was an r-drag! I /did/ know there was
| a shift-drag. (At least in Total Commander.)

R-Drag is in "Windows 98 Secrets" (Livingston/Straub), pp.174-177. Very
important! The rules of drag/drop are inscrutable otherwise-- it's
different for shortcuts/files/folders AND source/destination AND whether
one holds an ALT/CTRL/SHIFT/whatever key or not-- maybe even TWO keys at
once!

BEST do all your drag/drop with the R-Mouse button for the choices!

| You /don't need/ to know that crap when you use a 2-paner for
| all file operations. But I guess there are people who find
| hitting one key harder than spending 30 seconds or more screwing
| around with the mouse.

Why? If the panes are of different drives, rules vary from when they are
of the same drive. A folder, for instance, is moved to the former &
copied to the latter. Also, it's different depending what is being
dragged. An L-Dragged application file will possibly create shortcuts in
some destinations but not in others. There are 3 pages of such rules you
can totally forget JUST by using the R-Mouse button!

| The ONLY time I drag and drop is when I move a set of dirs into
| the "create and burn ISO file" in Goldenhawk CDRWin. /Very/
| occasionally when I move a single file out of a dir into the
| previous branch, and when I am working in the other pane at the
| same time.

STILL-- that's a bad habit! Get used to the R-Mouse or some day you will
regret it!

| Anyway, you tell them the truth - which I have typed more often
| than I like to think about:
|
| WE IS NOT A FILE MANAGER TOOL. IT IS A TORTURE DEVICE DESIGNED
| TO ALLOW YOU TO DO THE LEAST POSSIBLE WITH THE MOST TROUBLE
| POSSIBLE AND TO MAKE IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND LET
| ALONE CONTROL YOUR MACHINE.
|
| The ONLY thing I have found that Explorer can do that one or
| another program can not is to set the icons for file types. I
| tried to set htm and html to the same icon with WinAssociate,
| and
| html worked (icon #160) but for some reason htm insisted on
| defaulting to the FIRST (#0) icon in my custom-made _desktop.dll
| file (which I use instead of shell32.dll for my icon needs and
| have for ages).
|
| It /IS/ possible (and I sure as hell hope) that the reason for
| this is that I was using an older version of WinAssociate!

I don't know. When I go to...

"START, Settings, Folder Options, HTML Document"

...., the extension for it is both HTM & HTML. Therefore, they share the
same icon, which seems to be the 1st icon in
C:\PROGRA~1\INTERN~1\iexplore.exe. But I am able to change it to
another. I guess, to get two separate icons, you'd have to split them
out of HTML Document somehow.

| Anyway, you can't /REMOVE/ WE and you can't kill its process -
| but the above is the ONLY thing I ever do with it. Just like the
| ONLY thing I ever do with IE is read chm help files. But I ran
| across an app which converts chm to html and while I haven't had
| time to try it yet, it may allow me to never ever see IE's ugly
| mug again.

Good luck-- but I'm against it!

| --
| Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the
| votes decide everything.
| - Josef Stalin

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

[PCR]

MEB wrote:
| "Franc Zabkar" > wrote in message
| ...
|| On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:35:32 -0400, "PCR" > put
|| finger to keyboard and composed:
||
|| >---- Original Message ----
|| >From: "Franc Zabkar" >
|| >Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
|| >Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 09:41 PM
|| >Subject: Re: Tweakui setting question
||
|| >| There are several other file types which remain hidden even though
|| >| "hide file types" is turned off:
|| >| http://seclists.org/bugtraq/2000/May/0184.html
|| >
|| >I had a quick look. The 10 items Rollyson posted look like the same
|| >10 I've got. I'll have to examine it more closely later. Did you
|| >undo all 10 "NeverShowExt" & with not a single regret or just the
|| >various shortcuts? But it doesn't appear to be necessary anymore!
||
|| I went through the registry on my own many years ago and "unhid" all
|| the file types I could find. So far no problems. In fact an issue
|| with hidden ShellScrap file types was well publicized quite a few
|| years ago. That's what prompted me to look for others.

Yes, I see what MEB has posted, & I've seen it before. I always did mean
to investigate it more fully. More below.

But are you sure can un-hide .shs? I've tried by checking "Always show
extension" for Scrap Object in Folder Options-- & that failed. It did
add...!...

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\ShellScrap
AlwaysShowExt ""

....but, it left...

NeverShowExt ""

....there too. Even manually renaming the latter to "X-NeverShowExt"
didn't do it, either! The extension won't show up in Explorer!

|| - Franc Zabkar
|| --
|| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
|
| Yeah, but that shell scrap issue was easily and permanently remedied
| by a simple file rename like:
| C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SHSCRAP.DLL.org
| which is something I've done on every 98 computer I ever worked on
| and never had a complaint of something not working. Heck I even
| forget that I do it...

I haven't fully decided to do that. I HATE killing off capabilities--
even those I rarely if ever use!

| I think I found some of the best info *back then* {2000-which still
| seems available}:
| http://www.pc-help.org/security/scrap.htm

Well, when I click the two demos he put in there (under the Browser
section), they both open up as text in IExplore, instead of execuring. I
guess that means I'm safe enough at sites. Also, when I insert a scrap
as an attachment into a post (or read one I've sent to myself), the
extension is added to the filename in an Attach box. And, if I try to
open it, it says "Opening Text.txt.shs"-- & I get a warning it could be
a dangerous file. So, looks like I am good as is.

It might have been a problem pre-IE6 SP1, maybe-- but it doesn't seem to
be one now!

| Microsoft supposedly provided a fix for OutLook email hacks:
| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/235309 which caused a number of
| problems, and required {as usual} another update, which also didn't
| really work.
|
| OE users were given this:
| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/267580/EN-US/ {**take note of the JAVA
| caution at the bottom and the general file attachment caution**}
|
| OE 6 gave the Security Option to disallow saving and opening
| attachments [as if].
|
| So yeah, I would agree, IF the user is capable of understanding what
| they are seeing and what it means (and only then), then unhide ALL
| extensions.... just be sure they do know AND don't forget....
|
| --
| MEB
| http://peoplescounsel.org
| a Peoples' counsel
| _ _
| ~~

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

[Franc Zabkar]

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:20:00 -0400, "PCR" > put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>But are you sure can un-hide .shs? I've tried by checking "Always show
>extension" for Scrap Object in Folder Options-- & that failed. It did
>add...!...
>
>HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\ShellScrap
>AlwaysShowExt ""
>
>...but, it left...
>
>NeverShowExt ""
>
>...there too. Even manually renaming the latter to "X-NeverShowExt"
>didn't do it, either! The extension won't show up in Explorer!

I only have AlwaysShowExt, not NeverShowExt.

When I create a zero-byte file with an SHS extension, Explorer
displays the extension and identifies the file type as "Scrap object".

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

[PCR]

Franc Zabkar wrote:
| On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:20:00 -0400, "PCR" > put
| finger to keyboard and composed:
|
|>But are you sure can un-hide .shs? I've tried by checking "Always show
|>extension" for Scrap Object in Folder Options-- & that failed. It did
|>add...!...
|>
|>HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\ShellScrap
|>AlwaysShowExt ""
|>
|>...but, it left...
|>
|>NeverShowExt ""
|>
|>...there too. Even manually renaming the latter to "X-NeverShowExt"
|>didn't do it, either! The extension won't show up in Explorer!
|
| I only have AlwaysShowExt, not NeverShowExt.
|
| When I create a zero-byte file with an SHS extension, Explorer
| displays the extension and identifies the file type as "Scrap object".

Huh. That doesn't work for me. Anyhow, I doubt I really need it for the
reasons I've already said. OK, thanks.

| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

[ms]

"MEB" <meb@not > wrote in news:u1qmlYNLJHA.4796
@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

Thanks for the data.


> REGEDIT4
>
> [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile]
> @="Shortcut"
> "EditFlags"=dword:00000001
> "IsShortcut"=""
> "NeverShowExt"=""
>
> REGEDIT4
>
> [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\piffile]
> @="Shortcut to MS-DOS Program"
> "EditFlags"=hex:01,00,00,00
> "IsShortcut"=""
> "NeverShowExt"=""
>

Using RegEdit, here is what I have:

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\.lnk

under it,
ShellEx, under it one folder B62E612.......

ShellNew, under it
Default value not set

Command RunDLL32 AppWiz.Cpl,NewLinkHere %2

But nothing that looks like your message.

ms

> Depending upon the program and its settings, CASE does matter....
>
> The change is at:
> IsShortcut
>
> to
>
> IsNotShortcut
>

[MEB[_2_]]

Is that 98FE/GOLD or SE?

IF SE: Are you running a registry protection program perhaps?

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel
_ _
~~
"ms" > wrote in message
...
| "MEB" <meb@not > wrote in news:u1qmlYNLJHA.4796
| @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
|
| Thanks for the data.
|
|
| > REGEDIT4
| >
| > [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile]
| > @="Shortcut"
| > "EditFlags"=dword:00000001
| > "IsShortcut"=""
| > "NeverShowExt"=""
| >
| > REGEDIT4
| >
| > [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\piffile]
| > @="Shortcut to MS-DOS Program"
| > "EditFlags"=hex:01,00,00,00
| > "IsShortcut"=""
| > "NeverShowExt"=""
| >
|
| Using RegEdit, here is what I have:
|
| HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\.lnk
|
| under it,
| ShellEx, under it one folder B62E612.......
|
| ShellNew, under it
| Default value not set
|
| Command RunDLL32 AppWiz.Cpl,NewLinkHere %2
|
| But nothing that looks like your message.
|
| ms
|
| > Depending upon the program and its settings, CASE does matter....
| >
| > The change is at:
| > IsShortcut
| >
| > to
| >
| > IsNotShortcut
| >
|

[ms]

"MEB" <meb@not > wrote in news:eDbHaVzLJHA.5060
@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

> Is that 98FE/GOLD or SE?
>
> IF SE: Are you running a registry protection program perhaps?
>

SE, no registry protection programs

BTW, what MS patch effected the shortcut settings? If I knew it, I could
search about it, maybe uninstall it and Tweakui would work normally.

ms

[Franc Zabkar]

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:56:26 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not >
put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Yeah, as usual, its a toss-up. Its whatever serves your usage style that
>matters.
>
> Franc, you being who you are, might want to try the resource hack....lots
>of information on and some nice tools for image and other resource hacking
>on the Net... don't forget to backup what your working on [and the registry]
>BEFORE you start playing around...

I'd already looked into it but decided it was too much effort, and
possibly beyond me. The icon editing/extraction software I had found
didn't seem to be able to patch icons into existing executables.

Anyway, I finally patched shell32.dll (version 4.72.3812.600) by hand.
The arrows can be eliminated by replacing the 128 byte block of data
at offset 0xFB5E0 with a block of 0xFF bytes.

I came to this conclusion by extracting the arrow icon from
shell32.dll and comparing it with the blank icon from tweakui.cpl.

This Wikipedia article also helped:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ico

This is the hacked file:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/shell32.zip (488KB)

I'll remove it in a few days.

- Franc Zabkar
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[PCR]

Franc Zabkar wrote:
| On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:56:26 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not >
| put finger to keyboard and composed:
|
|>Yeah, as usual, its a toss-up. Its whatever serves your usage style
|>that matters.
|>
|> Franc, you being who you are, might want to try the resource
|>hack....lots of information on and some nice tools for image and
|>other resource hacking on the Net... don't forget to backup what your
|>working on [and the registry] BEFORE you start playing around...
|
| I'd already looked into it but decided it was too much effort, and
| possibly beyond me. The icon editing/extraction software I had found
| didn't seem to be able to patch icons into existing executables.
|
| Anyway, I finally patched shell32.dll (version 4.72.3812.600) by hand.
| The arrows can be eliminated by replacing the 128 byte block of data
| at offset 0xFB5E0 with a block of 0xFF bytes.
|
| I came to this conclusion by extracting the arrow icon from
| shell32.dll and comparing it with the blank icon from tweakui.cpl.
|
| This Wikipedia article also helped:
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ico
|
| This is the hacked file:
| http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/shell32.zip (488KB)
|
| I'll remove it in a few days.

Remove it now! No one should kill his shortcut arrows!

| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

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[Lee]

On Oct 12, 3:29*pm, ms > wrote:
> "MEB" <meb@not > wrote in news:uobcye#KJHA.4772
> @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>
> > Uhm, perhaps I should also supply a safer way noted here:
> >http://www.mdgx.com/newtip11.htm
> > DITCH THOSE ARROWS!
>
> From that link:
> ---
> * 2. SAFER :
> "To safely hack the Registry to permanently remove those funky little
> shortcut arrows, without adversely affecting your program shortcuts in
> any way, start Regedit and go to:
> HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Lnkfile
> and to: HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Piffile
>
> In each of these folders the right hand pane has the "IsShortcut" String
> Value.
> Right-click on it, select Rename, and change it to read "IsNotShortcut"
> (no quotes).
> Close Regedit and reboot.
> The arrows are gone now, but Windows still sees all the affected icons as
> shortcuts and treats them accordingly. :)"
> ---
>
> That sounded useful, used RegEditPlus, then RegSeek, finally RegSeeker to
> search for HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Lnkfile
>
> That key does not exist in my registry- ????
>
> Then I noted some MS patches had been installed, the help data refers to
> Q313829, I can't relate the app note number to the number of any of the
> patches, planned to uninstall the patch if necessary.
>
> I searched for Q313829. I don't find a MS appnote with that number, lots
> of hits in Google, but can only say that "some" patch back in 2002 did
> affect shell.dll, supposed to cure a exploit. I never patched for that in
> other W98 machines, never had a problem.
>
> Advice?
>
> ms

Look again under HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile instead. It should be
there.

http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/rtf/en/5285.htm
Q313829 is the culprit right enough. But it's more popularly known as
"Security Update, March 7, 2002". Used to be one could do:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=313829
and get the right information but that now leads one on a wild goose
chase to the wrong OS and the wrong update to boot.

Even
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms02-014.mspx
goes to the wrong update but with the right OS at least.

Best stick with the Windows Update Catalog in these latter days of any
support for 9x boxes and take note that this is really the only update
that is known more for it's alternate title than it's Q (or KB) number
- thank goodness.
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp

But this patch doesn't have a go back method to it so unless you do it
manually, it can't be done. Shell32.dll is the only file added to the
system in this update so it's certainly simple if done in DOS mode,
but Windows will object as it's always in use.

A third method to hide shortcut arrows does exist and works well and
that is to hide the process dll from Windows so that it can't display
the arrow. Normally the Class CLSID\{63B51F81-
C868-11D0-999C-00C04FD655E1} has an InProcServer32 pointing to the
shell32.dll file. But if one removes that text from the registry, the
arrows do not get shown - simple. No side effects in the past 5 years
that I've been running this one either.

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{63B51F81-
C868-11D0-999C-00C04FD655E1}\InProcServer32]
@="C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\SHELL32.DLL"
"ThreadingModel"="Both"

Just remove the
"C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\SHELL32.DLL"
text and you'll have no arrows. Put it back and you do.

dunno why no one wants to remember this one...

[ms]

Lee > wrote in
:

> On Oct 12, 3:29*pm, ms > wrote:
>> "MEB" <meb@not > wrote in news:uobcye#KJHA.4772
>> @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>>
>> > Uhm, perhaps I should also supply a safer way noted here:
>> >http://www.mdgx.com/newtip11.htm
>> > DITCH THOSE ARROWS!
>>
>> From that link:
>> ---
>> * 2. SAFER :
>> "To safely hack the Registry to permanently remove those funky little
>> shortcut arrows, without adversely affecting your program shortcuts
>> in any way, start Regedit and go to:
>> HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Lnkfile
>> and to: HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Piffile
>>
>> In each of these folders the right hand pane has the "IsShortcut"
>> String Value.
>> Right-click on it, select Rename, and change it to read
>> "IsNotShortcut" (no quotes).
>> Close Regedit and reboot.
>> The arrows are gone now, but Windows still sees all the affected
>> icons as shortcuts and treats them accordingly. :)"
>> ---
>>
>> That sounded useful, used RegEditPlus, then RegSeek, finally
>> RegSeeker to search for HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Lnkfile
>>
>> That key does not exist in my registry- ????
>>
>> Then I noted some MS patches had been installed, the help data refers
>> to Q313829, I can't relate the app note number to the number of any
>> of the patches, planned to uninstall the patch if necessary.
>>
>> I searched for Q313829. I don't find a MS appnote with that number,
>> lots of hits in Google, but can only say that "some" patch back in
>> 2002 did affect shell.dll, supposed to cure a exploit. I never
>> patched for that in other W98 machines, never had a problem.
>>
>> Advice?
>>
>> ms
>
> Look again under HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile instead. It should be
> there.
>
> http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/rtf/en/52
> 85.htm Q313829 is the culprit right enough. But it's more popularly
> known as "Security Update, March 7, 2002". Used to be one could do:
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=313829
> and get the right information but that now leads one on a wild goose
> chase to the wrong OS and the wrong update to boot.
>
> Even
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms02-014.mspx
> goes to the wrong update but with the right OS at least.
>
> Best stick with the Windows Update Catalog in these latter days of any
> support for 9x boxes and take note that this is really the only update
> that is known more for it's alternate title than it's Q (or KB) number
> - thank goodness.
> http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp
>
> But this patch doesn't have a go back method to it so unless you do it
> manually, it can't be done. Shell32.dll is the only file added to the
> system in this update so it's certainly simple if done in DOS mode,
> but Windows will object as it's always in use.
>
> A third method to hide shortcut arrows does exist and works well and
> that is to hide the process dll from Windows so that it can't display
> the arrow. Normally the Class CLSID\{63B51F81-
> C868-11D0-999C-00C04FD655E1} has an InProcServer32 pointing to the
> shell32.dll file. But if one removes that text from the registry, the
> arrows do not get shown - simple. No side effects in the past 5 years
> that I've been running this one either.
>
> [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{63B51F81-
> C868-11D0-999C-00C04FD655E1}\InProcServer32]
> @="C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\SHELL32.DLL"
> "ThreadingModel"="Both"
>
> Just remove the
> "C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\SHELL32.DLL"
> text and you'll have no arrows. Put it back and you do.
>
> dunno why no one wants to remember this one...
>

Thanks, Lee

This is a backup computer for me, so I will save your data for later.

ms

[Franc Zabkar]

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:51:35 -0400, "PCR" > put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>Franc Zabkar wrote:

>| This is the hacked file:
>| http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/shell32.zip (488KB)
>|
>| I'll remove it in a few days.
>
>Remove it now! No one should kill his shortcut arrows!

I've just hacked my GPS. I've got it to boot into the 320x240 WinCE
desktop, but now I'm seeing those pesky shortcut arrows ... on a 3.5"
screen! Is nothing sacred?

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

[PCR]

Franc Zabkar wrote:
| On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:51:35 -0400, "PCR" > put
| finger to keyboard and composed:
|
|>Franc Zabkar wrote:
|
|>| This is the hacked file:
|>| http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/shell32.zip (488KB)
|>|
|>| I'll remove it in a few days.
|>
|>Remove it now! No one should kill his shortcut arrows!
|
| I've just hacked my GPS. I've got it to boot into the 320x240 WinCE
| desktop, but now I'm seeing those pesky shortcut arrows ... on a 3.5"
| screen! Is nothing sacred?

You are haunted now for the evil work you have done! Good!

| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR