Re: q823559 [Archive]

PA Bear [MS MVP]

October 3rd 08, 12:01 AM

[Begin crosspost to Win98 General newsgroup]

Thread history:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/browse_frm/thread/d5c99b0ae721f42f/455c688cdb10b216

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The 0x801901F4 error(s) means that the update(s) failed to download AND
install.

IIRC only older versions of Zone Alarm firewall will work properly in Win98,
Jim. If you're NOT running Zone Alarm v6.1.744.1, uninstall it now.

Moving on...

[You will want to print or copy/paste the following instructions into
Notepad for offline reference.]

1. AFAIK, no currently supported version of SpySweeper's supported in Win98.
Assuming you've not purchased SpySweeper (or if you don't get if "free" from
your ISP or MSN), please (a) disable all SpySweeper Guards (protections)
then (b) uninstall it.

2. Very briefly & temporarily, disable ZA firewall (if still installed)
*and* all SpySweeper Guards (if still installed) *and* Avast *and*
physically disconnect the machine from the internet. Don't reconnect until
Step #4 below!

3a. Now overinstall IE6 SP1 per my previous reply to this thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/msg/c2441e1a72a2d39b

3b. After rebooting, repeat Step #2 above!!

4. Now reconnect to the internet and go to Windows Update and try again.
Follow all prompts.

NB: Don't do ANYTHING else online until Avast has been re-enabled and (if
you don't connect via a router) until ZA (v6.1.744.1 or earlier) has been
re-enabled!!
--
~PA Bear

Jim wrote:
> Does that error mean that the update did not successfully DL? OR does it
> mean that this machines log of a successful DL is in error\corrupted? The
> View Installation History states a successful DL and the Add\Remove
> software
> in Control Panel shows a successful DL to this machine. AND
>
> Windows Update.log : c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE
> 2008-10-01 12:39:58 16:39:58 Error IUENGINE Library download
> error. Will retry. (Error 0x801901F4)
>
> No, I did not do an overinstall of IEv.6 SP1 as of this time. Since I did
> a
> cleanboot install of IEv.6 over v.5 I do not see this a problem. Could
> this
> be a result of a previous update blocking some logging of q823559? This
> file: %windir%\kb823559.log is not found. ref.
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/910339
> AV-Avast; AS-SpySweeper; FW-ZA
> DSL
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>
>> 0x801901F4 BG_E_HTTP_ERROR_500
>> The server encountered an unexpected condition that prevented it from
>> fulfilling the request.
>>
>> Yes, both errors point to the same problem.
>>
>> Have you tried overinstalling IE6 SP1 as I suggested in an earlier reply
>> to
>> this thread?
>>
>> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What
>> anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? What third-party
>> firewall
>> (if any)?
>>
>> How is the machine connecting to the internet (i.e., dial-up; DSL; cable;
>> satellite)? Is a router involved? Is an internet (or web) accelerator
>> installed (typically included with low-priced dial-up ISPs)?
>>
>> Jim wrote:[i]
>>> I just tried again the update and this is the log of it with 1 error in
>>> the log;
>>>
>>> from
>>> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/consumerdrivers/getmanifest.asp
>>> 2008-10-01 12:39:50 16:39:50 Success IUENGINE Querying
>>> software
>>> update catalog from
> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
>>> 2008-10-01 12:39:51 16:39:51 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
>>> Download started
>>> 2008-10-01 12:39:51 16:39:51 Success IUENGINE Download
>>> destination root folder is: c:\WUTemp
>>> 2008-10-01 12:39:58 16:39:58 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
>>>
> http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/823559USA8_0e714506b380e4be11ff07b31da9da9.EXE
>>> 2008-10-01 12:39:58 16:39:58 Success IUENGINE Local path
>>> c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE
>>> 2008-10-01 12:39:58 16:39:58 Error IUENGINE Library
>>> download
>>> error. Will retry. (Error 0x801901F4)
>>> 2008-10-01 12:39:59 16:39:59 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml
>>> for
>>> details: Download finished
>>> 2008-10-01 12:39:59 16:39:59 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
>>> Install started
>>> 2008-10-01 12:39:59 16:39:59 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
>>> Install completed startup
>>> 2008-10-01 12:39:59 16:39:59 Success IUENGINE Installing
>>> SOFTWARE
>>> item from publisher com_microsoft
>>> 2008-10-01 12:39:59 16:39:59 Success IUENGINE Installer
>>> Command
>>> Type: EXE
>>> 2008-10-01 12:40:01 16:40:01 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml
>>> for
>>> details: Install finished
>>>
>>> This is the same error that is triggering the Windows Critical Update to
>>> prompt...?

Jim

October 3rd 08, 10:03 PM

OK, I tried this approach and on the ie6setup.exe the minimal and the prompt
at the end of the install secession states [radio button] all these
components are already installed do you want to exit and the other [radio]
asks if the you want to install all components. So I just chose next>next>on
out. Is that the correct way?
Then I went to win update and tried again and the log in %windir% looks ok.
Here is part of the logging and no apparent errors:

2008-10-03 14:55:09 18:55:09 Success IUCTL Starting
2008-10-03 14:55:10 18:55:10 Success IUCTL Downloaded
iuident.cab from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/ to C:\Program
Files\WindowsUpdate\V4
2008-10-03 14:55:10 18:55:10 Success IUCTL Checking to see if
new version of Windows Update software available
2008-10-03 14:55:10 18:55:10 Success IUCTL Current iuctl.dll
version: 5.3.3790.13
2008-10-03 14:55:10 18:55:10 Success IUCTL Current
iuengine.dll version: 5.3.3716.1
2008-10-03 14:55:11 18:55:11 Success IUENGINE Starting
2008-10-03 14:55:12 18:55:12 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 14:55:12 18:55:12 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 14:59:18 18:59:18 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 14:59:19 18:59:19 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 14:59:23 18:59:23 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 14:59:28 18:59:28 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 14:59:31 18:59:31 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 14:59:31 18:59:31 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from
https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/consumerdrivers/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:00:23 19:00:23 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:00:24 19:00:24 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
Download started
2008-10-03 15:00:24 19:00:24 Success IUENGINE Download
destination root folder is: c:\WUTemp
2008-10-03 15:00:29 19:00:29 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/823559USA8_0e714506b380e4be11ff07b31da9da9.EXE
2008-10-03 15:00:29 19:00:29 Success IUENGINE Local path
c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE
2008-10-03 15:00:29 19:00:29 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml for
details: Download finished
2008-10-03 15:00:29 19:00:29 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
Install started
2008-10-03 15:00:29 19:00:29 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
Install completed startup
2008-10-03 15:00:29 19:00:29 Success IUENGINE Installing SOFTWARE
item from publisher com_microsoft
2008-10-03 15:00:29 19:00:29 Success IUENGINE Installer Command
Type: EXE
2008-10-03 15:00:30 19:00:30 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml for
details: Install finished

OK, I turn on the FW-ZA and for the moment a v.9 active shield for McAfee. I
go back and check scan for the updates and here is the log at the next later
times with the errors back:

2008-10-03 15:50:14 19:50:14 Success IUENGINE Starting
2008-10-03 15:50:14 19:50:14 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 15:50:14 19:50:14 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 15:50:19 19:50:19 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:50:19 19:50:19 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:50:23 19:50:23 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:50:28 19:50:28 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:50:30 19:50:30 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 15:50:30 19:50:30 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from
https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/consumerdrivers/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:50:54 19:50:54 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:50:55 19:50:55 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
Download started
2008-10-03 15:50:55 19:50:55 Success IUENGINE Download
destination root folder is: c:\WUTemp
2008-10-03 15:51:00 19:51:00 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/823559USA8_0e714506b380e4be11ff07b31da9da9.EXE
2008-10-03 15:51:00 19:51:00 Success IUENGINE Local path
c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE
2008-10-03 15:51:00 19:51:00 Error IUENGINE Library download
error. Will retry. (Error 0x801901F4)
2008-10-03 15:51:01 19:51:01 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml for
details: Download finished
2008-10-03 15:51:01 19:51:01 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
Install started
2008-10-03 15:51:01 19:51:01 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
Install completed startup
2008-10-03 15:51:01 19:51:01 Success IUENGINE Installing SOFTWARE
item from publisher com_microsoft
2008-10-03 15:51:01 19:51:01 Success IUENGINE Installer Command
Type: EXE
2008-10-03 15:51:02 19:51:02 Error IUENGINE Library download
error. Will retry. (Error 0x801901F4)
2008-10-03 15:51:02 19:51:02 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml for
details: Install finished
2008-10-03 15:51:46 19:51:46 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:51:47 19:51:47 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:51:50 19:51:50 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:51:55 19:51:55 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:51:56 19:51:56 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 15:51:57 19:51:57 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from
https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/consumerdrivers/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 15:52:07 19:52:07 Success IUENGINE Shutting down
2008-10-03 15:52:07 19:52:07 Success IUCTL Shutting down

The question still remains did this update install? Is there a way to check
this update?

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> [Begin crosspost to Win98 General newsgroup]
>
> Thread history:
>
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/browse_frm/thread/d5c99b0ae721f42f/455c688cdb10b216
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> The 0x801901F4 error(s) means that the update(s) failed to download AND
> install.
>
> IIRC only older versions of Zone Alarm firewall will work properly in
Win98,
> Jim. If you're NOT running Zone Alarm v6.1.744.1, uninstall it now.
>
> Moving on...
>
> [You will want to print or copy/paste the following instructions into
> Notepad for offline reference.]
>
> 1. AFAIK, no currently supported version of SpySweeper's supported in
Win98.
> Assuming you've not purchased SpySweeper (or if you don't get if "free"
from
> your ISP or MSN), please (a) disable all SpySweeper Guards (protections)
> then (b) uninstall it.
>
> 2. Very briefly & temporarily, disable ZA firewall (if still installed)
> *and* all SpySweeper Guards (if still installed) *and* Avast *and*
> physically disconnect the machine from the internet. Don't reconnect
until
> Step #4 below!
>
> 3a. Now overinstall IE6 SP1 per my previous reply to this thread:
>
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/msg/c2441e1a72a2d39b
>
> 3b. After rebooting, repeat Step #2 above!!
>
> 4. Now reconnect to the internet and go to Windows Update and try again.
> Follow all prompts.
>
> NB: Don't do ANYTHING else online until Avast has been re-enabled and (if
> you don't connect via a router) until ZA (v6.1.744.1 or earlier) has been
> re-enabled!!
> --
> ~PA Bear
>
> Jim wrote:[i]
> > Does that error mean that the update did not successfully DL? OR does it
> > mean that this machines log of a successful DL is in error\corrupted?
The
> > View Installation History states a successful DL and the Add\Remove
> > software
> > in Control Panel shows a successful DL to this machine. AND
> >
> > Windows Update.log : c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE
> > 2008-10-01 12:39:58 16:39:58 Error IUENGINE Library
download
> > error. Will retry. (Error 0x801901F4)
> >
> > No, I did not do an overinstall of IEv.6 SP1 as of this time. Since I
did
> > a
> > cleanboot install of IEv.6 over v.5 I do not see this a problem. Could
> > this
> > be a result of a previous update blocking some logging of q823559? This
> > file: %windir%\kb823559.log is not found. ref.
> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/910339
> > AV-Avast; AS-SpySweeper; FW-ZA
> > DSL
> >

Jim

October 3rd 08, 10:49 PM

OK, next I tried the reinstall of ie6setup with [radio button] reinstall all
components (which is not a minimal) and went thru the whole approach again.
Here I had 3 critical updates to install with a reboot at the end. This is
the log of win update on this machine which appears to be successful.

2008-10-03 17:29:19 21:29:19 Success IUCTL Starting
2008-10-03 17:29:21 21:29:21 Success IUCTL Downloaded
iuident.cab from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/ to C:\Program
Files\WindowsUpdate\V4
2008-10-03 17:29:22 21:29:22 Success IUCTL Checking to see if
new version of Windows Update software available
2008-10-03 17:29:22 21:29:22 Success IUCTL Current iuctl.dll
version: 5.3.3790.13
2008-10-03 17:29:22 21:29:22 Success IUCTL Current
iuengine.dll version: 5.3.3716.1
2008-10-03 17:29:22 21:29:22 Success IUENGINE Starting
2008-10-03 17:29:23 21:29:23 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 17:29:23 21:29:23 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 17:30:23 21:30:23 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 17:30:24 21:30:24 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 17:30:27 21:30:27 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 17:30:32 21:30:32 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 17:30:34 21:30:34 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 17:30:35 21:30:35 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from
https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/consumerdrivers/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 17:30:51 21:30:51 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 17:30:52 21:30:52 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
Download started
2008-10-03 17:30:52 21:30:52 Success IUENGINE Download
destination root folder is: c:\WUTemp
2008-10-03 17:31:18 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/IE6.0sp1-KB837009-x86-ENU_416d4903c2a4703fa0510aa71f51bef.exe
2008-10-03 17:31:18 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Local path
c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q837009_OE6_SP1_W98WinME_O nly\IE6.0sp1-KB837009-x86-
ENU.exe
2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/823559USA8_0e714506b380e4be11ff07b31da9da9.EXE
2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE Local path
c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE
2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/q313829_5EEDD33FA704078BE5873EFA6E8C3D62B82C2EFF.e xe
2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE Local path
c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q313829_W98_5285\q313829.e xe
2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml for
details: Download finished
2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
Install started
2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
Install completed startup
2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE Installing SOFTWARE
item from publisher com_microsoft
2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE Installer Command
Type: EXE
2008-10-03 17:31:45 21:31:45 Success IUENGINE Installing SOFTWARE
item from publisher com_microsoft
2008-10-03 17:31:45 21:31:45 Success IUENGINE Installer Command
Type: EXE
2008-10-03 17:31:46 21:31:46 Success IUENGINE Installing SOFTWARE
item from publisher com_microsoft
2008-10-03 17:31:46 21:31:46 Success IUENGINE Installer Command
Type: EXE
2008-10-03 17:31:48 21:31:48 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml for
details: Install finished

I will check at Windows Update scan to see if this still triggers the
update.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> [Begin crosspost to Win98 General newsgroup]
>
> Thread history:
>
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/browse_frm/thread/d5c99b0ae721f42f/455c688cdb10b216
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> The 0x801901F4 error(s) means that the update(s) failed to download AND
> install.
>
> IIRC only older versions of Zone Alarm firewall will work properly in
Win98,
> Jim. If you're NOT running Zone Alarm v6.1.744.1, uninstall it now. [If
> you're connecting to the DSL modem via a router, the router alone should
> provide adequate protection for the Win98 box. Others here are sure to
> disagree with me but so be it.]
>
> Moving on...
>
> [You will want to print or copy/paste the following instructions into
> Notepad for offline reference.]
>
> 1. AFAIK, no currently supported version of SpySweeper's supported in
Win98.
> Assuming you've not purchased SpySweeper (or if you don't get if "free"
from
> your ISP or MSN), please (a) disable all SpySweeper Guards (protections)
> then (b) uninstall it.
>
> 2. Very briefly & temporarily, disable ZA firewall (if still installed)
> *and* all SpySweeper Guards (if still installed) *and* Avast *and*
> physically disconnect the machine from the internet. Don't reconnect
until
> Step #4 below!
>
> 3a. Now overinstall IE6 SP1 per my previous reply to this thread:
>
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/msg/c2441e1a72a2d39b
>
> 3b. After rebooting, repeat Step #2 above!!
>
> 4. Now reconnect to the internet and go to Windows Update and try again.
> Follow all prompts.
>
> NB: Don't do ANYTHING else online until Avast has been re-enabled and (if
> you don't connect via a router) until ZA (v6.1.744.1 or earlier) has been
> re-enabled!!
> --
> ~PA Bear

Jim

October 3rd 08, 11:08 PM

Windows Update Welcome scan still triggers the update q823559 as not
installed. Here is the winupdatelog:

2008-10-03 17:50:42 21:50:42 Success IUCTL Starting
2008-10-03 17:50:43 21:50:43 Success IUCTL Downloaded
iuident.cab from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/ to C:\Program
Files\WindowsUpdate\V4
2008-10-03 17:50:43 21:50:43 Success IUCTL Checking to see if
new version of Windows Update software available
2008-10-03 17:50:43 21:50:43 Success IUCTL Current iuctl.dll
version: 5.3.3790.13
2008-10-03 17:50:43 21:50:43 Success IUCTL Current
iuengine.dll version: 5.3.3716.1
2008-10-03 17:50:44 21:50:44 Success IUENGINE Starting
2008-10-03 17:50:45 21:50:45 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 17:50:45 21:50:45 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 17:50:50 21:50:50 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 17:50:51 21:50:51 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 17:50:54 21:50:54 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 17:51:00 21:51:00 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 17:51:04 21:51:04 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 17:51:05 21:51:05 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from
https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/consumerdrivers/getmanifest.asp

The "Personalized"\Custom scan does not trigger this critical update q823559
as needed. The log:

2008-10-03 18:01:07 22:01:07 Success IUENGINE Starting
2008-10-03 18:01:07 22:01:07 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 18:01:07 22:01:07 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 18:01:34 22:01:34 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 18:01:34 22:01:34 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 18:01:38 22:01:38 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 18:01:43 22:01:43 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2008-10-03 18:01:44 22:01:44 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2008-10-03 18:01:45 22:01:45 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from
https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/consumerdrivers/getmanifest.asp

PA Bear [MS MVP]

October 3rd 08, 11:14 PM

[Well, I'm certainly glad I hadn't sent my reply to your last post yet! As
it looks like you intend to make another post to this thread soon, I think
I'll reserve my comments for now...other than to confirm that KB313829,
KB837009, and KB823559 appear to have installed successfully this time
around.]

Jim wrote:
> OK, next I tried the reinstall of ie6setup with [radio button] reinstall
> all
> components (which is not a minimal) and went thru the whole approach
> again.
> Here I had 3 critical updates to install with a reboot at the end. This is
> the log of win update on this machine which appears to be successful.
>
> 2008-10-03 17:29:19 21:29:19 Success IUCTL Starting
> 2008-10-03 17:29:21 21:29:21 Success IUCTL Downloaded
> iuident.cab from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/ to C:\Program
> Files\WindowsUpdate\V4
> 2008-10-03 17:29:22 21:29:22 Success IUCTL Checking to see
> if
> new version of Windows Update software available
> 2008-10-03 17:29:22 21:29:22 Success IUCTL Current iuctl.dll
> version: 5.3.3790.13
> 2008-10-03 17:29:22 21:29:22 Success IUCTL Current
> iuengine.dll version: 5.3.3716.1
> 2008-10-03 17:29:22 21:29:22 Success IUENGINE Starting
> 2008-10-03 17:29:23 21:29:23 Success IUENGINE Determining
> machine
> configuration
> 2008-10-03 17:29:23 21:29:23 Success IUENGINE Determining
> machine
> configuration
> 2008-10-03 17:30:23 21:30:23 Success IUENGINE Querying software
> update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
> 2008-10-03 17:30:24 21:30:24 Success IUENGINE Querying software
> update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
> 2008-10-03 17:30:27 21:30:27 Success IUENGINE Querying software
> update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
> 2008-10-03 17:30:32 21:30:32 Success IUENGINE Querying software
> update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
> 2008-10-03 17:30:34 21:30:34 Success IUENGINE Determining
> machine
> configuration
> 2008-10-03 17:30:35 21:30:35 Success IUENGINE Querying software
> update catalog from
> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/consumerdrivers/getmanifest.asp
> 2008-10-03 17:30:51 21:30:51 Success IUENGINE Querying software
> update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
> 2008-10-03 17:30:52 21:30:52 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
> Download started
> 2008-10-03 17:30:52 21:30:52 Success IUENGINE Download
> destination root folder is: c:\WUTemp
> 2008-10-03 17:31:18 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
> http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/IE6.0sp1-KB837009-x86-ENU_416d4903c2a4703fa0510aa71f51bef.exe
> 2008-10-03 17:31:18 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Local path
> c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q837009_OE6_SP1_W98WinME_O nly\IE6.0sp1-KB837009-x86-
> ENU.exe
> 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
> http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/823559USA8_0e714506b380e4be11ff07b31da9da9.EXE
> 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE Local path
> c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE
> 2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
> http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/q313829_5EEDD33FA704078BE5873EFA6E8C3D62B82C2EFF.e xe
> 2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE Local path
> c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q313829_W98_5285\q313829.e xe
> 2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml
> for
> details: Download finished
> 2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
> Install started
> 2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE Asynchronous
> Install completed startup
> 2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE Installing
> SOFTWARE
> item from publisher com_microsoft
> 2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE Installer Command
> Type: EXE
> 2008-10-03 17:31:45 21:31:45 Success IUENGINE Installing
> SOFTWARE
> item from publisher com_microsoft
> 2008-10-03 17:31:45 21:31:45 Success IUENGINE Installer Command
> Type: EXE
> 2008-10-03 17:31:46 21:31:46 Success IUENGINE Installing
> SOFTWARE
> item from publisher com_microsoft
> 2008-10-03 17:31:46 21:31:46 Success IUENGINE Installer Command
> Type: EXE
> 2008-10-03 17:31:48 21:31:48 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml
> for
> details: Install finished
>
> I will check at Windows Update scan to see if this still triggers the
> update.
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" > wrote in message
> ...
>> [Begin crosspost to Win98 General newsgroup]
>>
>> Thread history:
>>
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/browse_frm/thread/d5c99b0ae721f42f/455c688cdb10b216
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> The 0x801901F4 error(s) means that the update(s) failed to download AND
>> install.
>>
>> IIRC only older versions of Zone Alarm firewall will work properly in
>> Win98, Jim. If you're NOT running Zone Alarm v6.1.744.1, uninstall it
>> now. [If you're connecting to the DSL modem via a router, the router
>> alone should provide adequate protection for the Win98 box. Others here
>> are sure to disagree with me but so be it.]
>>
>> Moving on...
>>
>> [You will want to print or copy/paste the following instructions into
>> Notepad for offline reference.]
>>
>> 1. AFAIK, no currently supported version of SpySweeper's supported in
>> Win98. Assuming you've not purchased SpySweeper (or if you don't get if
>> "free" from your ISP or MSN), please (a) disable all SpySweeper Guards
>> (protections) then (b) uninstall it.
>>
>> 2. Very briefly & temporarily, disable ZA firewall (if still installed)
>> *and* all SpySweeper Guards (if still installed) *and* Avast *and*
>> physically disconnect the machine from the internet. Don't reconnect
>> until
>> Step #4 below!
>>
>> 3a. Now overinstall IE6 SP1 per my previous reply to this thread:
>>
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/msg/c2441e1a72a2d39b
>>
>> 3b. After rebooting, repeat Step #2 above!!
>>
>> 4. Now reconnect to the internet and go to Windows Update and try again.
>> Follow all prompts.
>>
>> NB: Don't do ANYTHING else online until Avast has been re-enabled and (if
>> you don't connect via a router) until ZA (v6.1.744.1 or earlier) has been
>> re-enabled!!
>> --
>> ~PA Bear

PA Bear [MS MVP]

October 3rd 08, 11:20 PM

Are you finished for now or should I wait for more posts?

Neither of the 2 logs below have anything whatsoever to say about
Q823559/KB823559.

Jim wrote:
> Windows Update Welcome scan still triggers the update q823559 as not
> installed. Here is the winupdatelog:
>
> 2008-10-03 17:50:42 21:50:42 Success IUCTL Starting
> 2008-10-03 17:50:43 21:50:43 Success IUCTL Downloaded
> iuident.cab from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/ to C:\Program
> Files\WindowsUpdate\V4
> 2008-10-03 17:50:43 21:50:43 Success IUCTL Checking to see
> if
> new version of Windows Update software available
> 2008-10-03 17:50:43 21:50:43 Success IUCTL Current iuctl.dll
> version: 5.3.3790.13
> 2008-10-03 17:50:43 21:50:43 Success IUCTL Current
> iuengine.dll version: 5.3.3716.1
> 2008-10-03 17:50:44 21:50:44 Success IUENGINE Starting
> 2008-10-03 17:50:45 21:50:45 Success IUENGINE Determining
> machine
> configuration
> 2008-10-03 17:50:45 21:50:45 Success IUENGINE Determining
> machine
> configuration
> 2008-10-03 17:50:50 21:50:50 Success IUENGINE Querying software
> update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
> 2008-10-03 17:50:51 21:50:51 Success IUENGINE Querying software
> update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
> 2008-10-03 17:50:54 21:50:54 Success IUENGINE Querying software
> update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
> 2008-10-03 17:51:00 21:51:00 Success IUENGINE Querying software
> update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
> 2008-10-03 17:51:04 21:51:04 Success IUENGINE Determining
> machine
> configuration
> 2008-10-03 17:51:05 21:51:05 Success IUENGINE Querying software
> update catalog from
> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/consumerdrivers/getmanifest.asp
>
> The "Personalized"\Custom scan does not trigger this critical update
> q823559
> as needed. The log:
>
> 2008-10-03 18:01:07 22:01:07 Success IUENGINE Starting
> 2008-10-03 18:01:07 22:01:07 Success IUENGINE Determining
> machine
> configuration
> 2008-10-03 18:01:07 22:01:07 Success IUENGINE Determining
> machine
> configuration
> 2008-10-03 18:01:34 22:01:34 Success IUENGINE Querying software
> update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
> 2008-10-03 18:01:34 22:01:34 Success IUENGINE Querying software
> update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
> 2008-10-03 18:01:38 22:01:38 Success IUENGINE Querying software
> update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
> 2008-10-03 18:01:43 22:01:43 Success IUENGINE Querying software
> update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
> 2008-10-03 18:01:44 22:01:44 Success IUENGINE Determining
> machine
> configuration
> 2008-10-03 18:01:45 22:01:45 Success IUENGINE Querying software
> update catalog from
> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/consumerdrivers/getmanifest.asp

PCR

October 3rd 08, 11:56 PM

Jim wrote:
| OK, next I tried the reinstall of ie6setup with [radio button]
| reinstall all components (which is not a minimal) and went thru the
| whole approach again. Here I had 3 critical updates to install with a
| reboot at the end. This is the log of win update on this machine
| which appears to be successful.
|
....snip...
| Download destination root folder is: c:\WUTemp 2008-10-03 17:31:18
| 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
|
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/IE6.0sp1-KB837009-x86-ENU_416d4903c2a4703fa0510aa71f51bef.exe
| 2008-10-03 17:31:18 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Local path
|
c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q837009_OE6_SP1_W98WinME_O nly\IE6.0sp1-KB837009-
x86-
| ENU.exe 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE
| Downloaded file

|
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/823559USA8_0e714506b380e4be11ff07b31da9da9.EXE
| 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE Local path
| c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE 2008-10-03 17:31:35
| 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file

|
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/q313829_5EEDD33FA704078BE5873EFA6E8C3D62B82C2EFF.e xe
| 2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE Local path
| c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q313829_W98_5285\q313829.e xe 2008-10-03
| 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml for
| details: Download finished 2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success
....snip...
| I will check at Windows Update scan to see if this still triggers the
| update.

Yep, looks like you got 3 of them that time. I hope that solves it & you
will not be offered any of them (especially 823559) again. But, if so,
here are a few things to check...

(1) Try to uninstall it FIRST, at "Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs,
Install/Uninstall tab". It looks like this: "Windows 98 Q823559 Update".
Now, go to Windows Update, and see whether it will come in well-- & just
once.

(2) What are your versions of these files...?...
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;823559
....Quote.. Win98 files...
Date Time Version Size File name
------------------------------------------------------------------------
27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
....End quote.....

START button, Find, F/F, "Html32.cnv, Msconv97.dll".
(No quotes, yes comma). R-Clk, & select Properties.

I suppose you DID get the update, if your files look like that.

What about this Registry key...?...

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed
Components\{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}]
@="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
"IsInstalled"=dword:00000001
"Locale"="EN"
"Version"="4.10.0.2222"

To see it...
(a) "START button, Run, Regedit"
(b) Click plus signs, beginning at "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE",
& ending with....................... "Installed Components".
(c) Click "{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}" in the left pane.
(d) Look in the right pane. What do you see?

And this one, which puts it into the left pane at...
"START button, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Software Updates,
W98.SE"...?...

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup\Upda
tes\W98.SE\UPDQ823559]
@="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
"C:\\PROGRA~1\\COMMON~1\\Micros~1\\TextConv\\html32 .cnv"="2003.1100.5426
..0"
"C:\\PROGRA~1\\COMMON~1\\Micros~1\\TextConv\\msconv 97.dll"="2003.1100.54
26.0"

Finally, there is this Registry key, which puts it in Add/Remove...

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Uninstall\
Q823559]
@=""
"DisplayName"="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
"UninstallString"="RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection
C:\\WINDOWS\\INF\\QFE\\W98.SE\\823559UN.INF"

| "PA Bear [MS MVP]" > wrote in message
| ...
|> [Begin crosspost to Win98 General newsgroup]
|>
|> Thread history:
|>
|
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/browse_frm/thread/d5c99b0ae721f42f/455c688cdb10b216
|>
|> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|>
|> The 0x801901F4 error(s) means that the update(s) failed to download
|> AND install.
|>
|> IIRC only older versions of Zone Alarm firewall will work properly
|> in Win98, Jim. If you're NOT running Zone Alarm v6.1.744.1,
|> uninstall it now. [If you're connecting to the DSL modem via a
|> router, the router alone should provide adequate protection for the
|> Win98 box. Others here are sure to disagree with me but so be it.]
|>
|> Moving on...
|>
|> [You will want to print or copy/paste the following instructions into
|> Notepad for offline reference.]
|>
|> 1. AFAIK, no currently supported version of SpySweeper's supported
|> in Win98. Assuming you've not purchased SpySweeper (or if you don't
|> get if "free" from your ISP or MSN), please (a) disable all
|> SpySweeper Guards (protections) then (b) uninstall it.
|>
|> 2. Very briefly & temporarily, disable ZA firewall (if still
|> installed) *and* all SpySweeper Guards (if still installed) *and*
|> Avast *and* physically disconnect the machine from the internet.
|> Don't reconnect until Step #4 below!
|>
|> 3a. Now overinstall IE6 SP1 per my previous reply to this thread:
|>
|
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/msg/c2441e1a72a2d39b
|>
|> 3b. After rebooting, repeat Step #2 above!!
|>
|> 4. Now reconnect to the internet and go to Windows Update and try
|> again. Follow all prompts.
|>
|> NB: Don't do ANYTHING else online until Avast has been re-enabled
|> and (if you don't connect via a router) until ZA (v6.1.744.1 or
|> earlier) has been re-enabled!!
|> --
|> ~PA Bear

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

PA Bear [MS MVP]

October 4th 08, 12:27 AM

Please do NOT uninstall Q823559, Jim!

PCR, please let's get Jim settled before asking him to do anything else.
Once I'm convinced that everything's OK, feel free to jump in. Thanks,
buddy.

PS: Please don't post inline replies: Poor Jim's confused enough and his
replies to your inline posts will make it worse for him.
--
~Robear

PCR wrote:
<snip>
> Yep, looks like you got 3 of them that time. I hope that solves it & you
> will not be offered any of them (especially 823559) again. But, if so,
> here are a few things to check...
>
> (1) Try to uninstall it FIRST, at "Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs,
> Install/Uninstall tab". It looks like this: "Windows 98 Q823559 Update".
> Now, go to Windows Update, and see whether it will come in well-- & just
> once.
<snip>

PA Bear [MS MVP]

October 4th 08, 12:33 AM

I'll assume that's it for now, Jim.

Everything looks just fine now but I have a few question & comments.

============================

PLEASE CONFIRM that you completed Step #1, #2, #3a and #3b in my previous
reply (02 October) before you did Step #4.

> OK, I turn on the FW-ZA and for the moment a v.9 active shield for McAfee.

What version of ZoneAlarm is installed? Does the Win98 machine connect via
a router or directly to the DSL modem?

Yesterday you'd told us that you were running Avast Anti-Virus, now you cite
McAfee VirusScan. What's up with that? Do you have both Avast and
VirusScan installed?

VirusScan 9 is a few years old (e.g., 3 or 4, I believe): Are you sure it's
VirusScan 9? If so, is your subscription current?
--
~PA Bear

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> Are you finished for now or should I wait for more posts?
>
> Neither of the 2 logs below have anything whatsoever to say about
> Q823559/KB823559.
>
> Jim wrote:
>> Windows Update Welcome scan still triggers the update q823559 as not
>> installed. Here is the winupdatelog:
>>
>> 2008-10-03 17:50:42 21:50:42 Success IUCTL Starting
>> 2008-10-03 17:50:43 21:50:43 Success IUCTL Downloaded
>> iuident.cab from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/ to C:\Program
>> Files\WindowsUpdate\V4
>> 2008-10-03 17:50:43 21:50:43 Success IUCTL Checking to see
>> if
>> new version of Windows Update software available
>> 2008-10-03 17:50:43 21:50:43 Success IUCTL Current
>> iuctl.dll
>> version: 5.3.3790.13
>> 2008-10-03 17:50:43 21:50:43 Success IUCTL Current
>> iuengine.dll version: 5.3.3716.1
>> 2008-10-03 17:50:44 21:50:44 Success IUENGINE Starting
>> 2008-10-03 17:50:45 21:50:45 Success IUENGINE Determining
>> machine
>> configuration
>> 2008-10-03 17:50:45 21:50:45 Success IUENGINE Determining
>> machine
>> configuration
>> 2008-10-03 17:50:50 21:50:50 Success IUENGINE Querying
>> software
>> update catalog from
>> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
>> 2008-10-03 17:50:51 21:50:51 Success IUENGINE Querying
>> software
>> update catalog from
>> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
>> 2008-10-03 17:50:54 21:50:54 Success IUENGINE Querying
>> software
>> update catalog from
>> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
>> 2008-10-03 17:51:00 21:51:00 Success IUENGINE Querying
>> software
>> update catalog from
>> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
>> 2008-10-03 17:51:04 21:51:04 Success IUENGINE Determining
>> machine
>> configuration
>> 2008-10-03 17:51:05 21:51:05 Success IUENGINE Querying
>> software
>> update catalog from
>> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/consumerdrivers/getmanifest.asp
>>
>> The "Personalized"\Custom scan does not trigger this critical update
>> q823559
>> as needed. The log:
>>
>> 2008-10-03 18:01:07 22:01:07 Success IUENGINE Starting
>> 2008-10-03 18:01:07 22:01:07 Success IUENGINE Determining
>> machine
>> configuration
>> 2008-10-03 18:01:07 22:01:07 Success IUENGINE Determining
>> machine
>> configuration
>> 2008-10-03 18:01:34 22:01:34 Success IUENGINE Querying
>> software
>> update catalog from
>> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
>> 2008-10-03 18:01:34 22:01:34 Success IUENGINE Querying
>> software
>> update catalog from
>> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
>> 2008-10-03 18:01:38 22:01:38 Success IUENGINE Querying
>> software
>> update catalog from
>> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
>> 2008-10-03 18:01:43 22:01:43 Success IUENGINE Querying
>> software
>> update catalog from
>> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
>> 2008-10-03 18:01:44 22:01:44 Success IUENGINE Determining
>> machine
>> configuration
>> 2008-10-03 18:01:45 22:01:45 Success IUENGINE Querying
>> software
>> update catalog from
>> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/consumerdrivers/getmanifest.asp

PCR

October 4th 08, 01:32 AM

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
| Please do NOT uninstall Q823559, Jim!
|
| PCR, please let's get Jim settled before asking him to do anything
| else. Once I'm convinced that everything's OK, feel free to jump in.
| Thanks, buddy.
|
| PS: Please don't post inline replies: Poor Jim's confused enough and
| his replies to your inline posts will make it worse for him.

Well, I kind of recall it worked for someone to uninstall it first.
Those registry keys I mentioned could be useful too. But, fine-- you go
first!

| --
| ~Robear
|
| PCR wrote:
| <snip>
|> Yep, looks like you got 3 of them that time. I hope that solves it &
|> you will not be offered any of them (especially 823559) again. But,
|> if so, here are a few things to check...
|>
|> (1) Try to uninstall it FIRST, at "Control Panel, Add/Remove
|> Programs, Install/Uninstall tab". It looks like this: "Windows 98
|> Q823559 Update". Now, go to Windows Update, and see whether it will
|> come in well-- & just once.
| <snip>

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

Jim

October 4th 08, 01:58 AM

Yes, I did that exact sequence 1,2,3a,3b,4

ZA-6.0.667.000 version; connects via a single device router [NAPT] and
modem.

I just have McAfee shield on because it will come up quickly, whereas Avast
required another reboot.

Jim

October 4th 08, 02:53 AM

Yes, I found all these regedit values as you stated in the post. They are
all in there. I think it is solved...hopefully.

Jim

October 4th 08, 02:54 AM

I did not uninstall q823559.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> Please do NOT uninstall Q823559, Jim!
>
> PCR, please let's get Jim settled before asking him to do anything else.
> Once I'm convinced that everything's OK, feel free to jump in. Thanks,
> buddy.
>
> PS: Please don't post inline replies: Poor Jim's confused enough and his
> replies to your inline posts will make it worse for him.
> --
> ~Robear
>
> PCR wrote:
> <snip>
> > Yep, looks like you got 3 of them that time. I hope that solves it & you
> > will not be offered any of them (especially 823559) again. But, if so,
> > here are a few things to check...
> >
> > (1) Try to uninstall it FIRST, at "Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs,
> > Install/Uninstall tab". It looks like this: "Windows 98 Q823559 Update".
> > Now, go to Windows Update, and see whether it will come in well-- & just
> > once.
> <snip>
>

PA Bear [MS MVP]

October 4th 08, 07:53 PM

Your replies are worthless to most of us if you don't quote the entire post
to which you're replying, Jim.

You cannot and should not have two (2) anti-virus installed and loading at
boot.

=> If your VirusScan subscription is not current:

1. Uninstall McAfee VirusScan (or whatever the McAfee application is) via
Add/Remove Programs;

2. Download & run this removal tool:
http://service.mcafee.com/FAQDocument.aspx?id=107083&lc=1033; and...

3. Reboot.

=> If your VirusScan subscription is current:

1. Uninstall Avast; and...

2. Reboot.

With only one (1) anti-virus application installed now, if you encounter ANY
further Windows Update problems whatsoever, disable ZoneAlarm.

However, since (1) your Win98 machine is now fully patched and since (2) no
updates have been released for Win98 since June 2006 and since (3) no more
Win98 updates will ever be released as support for Win98 ended on 10 July
2006, you really don't have to worry about it anymore.

I now consider this case closed. If PCR or anyone else wants to "play" now,
be my guest...

=> But please do NOT crosspost any further replies to Windows Update
newsgroup. Thanks.
--
~PA Bear

Jim wrote:
> Yes, I did that exact sequence 1,2,3a,3b,4
>
> ZA-6.0.667.000 version; connects via a single device router [NAPT] and
> modem.
>
> I just have McAfee shield on because it will come up quickly, whereas
> Avast
> required another reboot.
<paste>
> I did not uninstall q823559.
>
>
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> I'll assume that's it for now, Jim.
>
> Everything looks just fine now but I have a few question & comments.
>
> ============================
>
> PLEASE CONFIRM that you completed Step #1, #2, #3a and #3b in my previous
> reply (02 October) before you did Step #4.
>
>> OK, I turn on the FW-ZA and for the moment a v.9 active shield for
>> McAfee.
>
> What version of ZoneAlarm is installed? Does the Win98 machine connect
> via
> a router or directly to the DSL modem?
>
> Yesterday you'd told us that you were running Avast Anti-Virus, now you
> cite
> McAfee VirusScan. What's up with that? Do you have both Avast and
> VirusScan installed?
>
> VirusScan 9 is a few years old (e.g., 3 or 4, I believe): Are you sure
> it's
> VirusScan 9? If so, is your subscription current?
>
> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>> Are you finished for now or should I wait for more posts?
>>
>> Neither of the 2 logs below have anything whatsoever to say about
>> Q823559/KB823559.
>>
>> Jim wrote:
>>> Windows Update Welcome scan still triggers the update q823559 as not
>>> installed. Here is the winupdatelog:
>>>
>>> 2008-10-03 17:50:42 21:50:42 Success IUCTL Starting
>>> 2008-10-03 17:50:43 21:50:43 Success IUCTL Downloaded
>>> iuident.cab from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/ to C:\Program
>>> Files\WindowsUpdate\V4
>>> 2008-10-03 17:50:43 21:50:43 Success IUCTL Checking to see
>>> if
>>> new version of Windows Update software available
>>> 2008-10-03 17:50:43 21:50:43 Success IUCTL Current
>>> iuctl.dll
>>> version: 5.3.3790.13
>>> 2008-10-03 17:50:43 21:50:43 Success IUCTL Current
>>> iuengine.dll version: 5.3.3716.1
>>> 2008-10-03 17:50:44 21:50:44 Success IUENGINE Starting
>>> 2008-10-03 17:50:45 21:50:45 Success IUENGINE Determining
>>> machine
>>> configuration
>>> 2008-10-03 17:50:45 21:50:45 Success IUENGINE Determining
>>> machine
>>> configuration
>>> 2008-10-03 17:50:50 21:50:50 Success IUENGINE Querying
>>> software
>>> update catalog from
>>> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
>>> 2008-10-03 17:50:51 21:50:51 Success IUENGINE Querying
>>> software
>>> update catalog from
>>> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
>>> 2008-10-03 17:50:54 21:50:54 Success IUENGINE Querying
>>> software
>>> update catalog from
>>> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
>>> 2008-10-03 17:51:00 21:51:00 Success IUENGINE Querying
>>> software
>>> update catalog from
>>> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
>>> 2008-10-03 17:51:04 21:51:04 Success IUENGINE Determining
>>> machine
>>> configuration
>>> 2008-10-03 17:51:05 21:51:05 Success IUENGINE Querying
>>> software
>>> update catalog from
>>> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/consumerdrivers/getmanifest.asp
>>>
>>> The "Personalized"\Custom scan does not trigger this critical update
>>> q823559
>>> as needed. The log:
>>>
>>> 2008-10-03 18:01:07 22:01:07 Success IUENGINE Starting
>>> 2008-10-03 18:01:07 22:01:07 Success IUENGINE Determining
>>> machine
>>> configuration
>>> 2008-10-03 18:01:07 22:01:07 Success IUENGINE Determining
>>> machine
>>> configuration
>>> 2008-10-03 18:01:34 22:01:34 Success IUENGINE Querying
>>> software
>>> update catalog from
>>> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
>>> 2008-10-03 18:01:34 22:01:34 Success IUENGINE Querying
>>> software
>>> update catalog from
>>> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
>>> 2008-10-03 18:01:38 22:01:38 Success IUENGINE Querying
>>> software
>>> update catalog from
>>> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
>>> 2008-10-03 18:01:43 22:01:43 Success IUENGINE Querying
>>> software
>>> update catalog from
>>> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
>>> 2008-10-03 18:01:44 22:01:44 Success IUENGINE Determining
>>> machine
>>> configuration
>>> 2008-10-03 18:01:45 22:01:45 Success IUENGINE Querying
>>> software
>>> update catalog from
>>> https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/consumerdrivers/getmanifest.asp

Jim

October 4th 08, 09:10 PM

That program, critical update, is still stating that the update is not
installed. I think you [PCR] may have exposed why this is happening. The
regedit key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup\Updates\W
98.SE\UPDQ823559

This should be in Win98 updates not Win98 SE updates. The Citical Update
program most likely reads the msinfo32 log first. It does not see this in
Win98 updates and ignores it in Win98 SE updates. Understand?

"PCR" > wrote in message
...
> Jim wrote:
> | OK, next I tried the reinstall of ie6setup with [radio button]
> | reinstall all components (which is not a minimal) and went thru the
> | whole approach again. Here I had 3 critical updates to install with a
> | reboot at the end. This is the log of win update on this machine
> | which appears to be successful.
> |
> ...snip...
> | Download destination root folder is: c:\WUTemp 2008-10-03 17:31:18
> | 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
> |
>
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/IE6.0sp1-KB837009-x86-ENU_416d4903c2a4703fa0510aa71f51bef.exe
> | 2008-10-03 17:31:18 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Local path
> |
> c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q837009_OE6_SP1_W98WinME_O nly\IE6.0sp1-KB837009-
> x86-
> | ENU.exe 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE
> | Downloaded file
>
> |
>
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/823559USA8_0e714506b380e4be11ff07b31da9da9.EXE
> | 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE Local path
> | c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE 2008-10-03 17:31:35
> | 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
>
> |
>
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/q313829_5EEDD33FA704078BE5873EFA6E8C3D62B82C2EFF.e xe
> | 2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE Local path
> | c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q313829_W98_5285\q313829.e xe 2008-10-03
> | 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml for
> | details: Download finished 2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success
> ...snip...
> | I will check at Windows Update scan to see if this still triggers the
> | update.
>
> Yep, looks like you got 3 of them that time. I hope that solves it & you
> will not be offered any of them (especially 823559) again. But, if so,
> here are a few things to check...
>
> (1) Try to uninstall it FIRST, at "Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs,
> Install/Uninstall tab". It looks like this: "Windows 98 Q823559 Update".
> Now, go to Windows Update, and see whether it will come in well-- & just
> once.
>
> (2) What are your versions of these files...?...
> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;823559
> ...Quote.. Win98 files...
> Date Time Version Size File name
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
> ...End quote.....
>
> START button, Find, F/F, "Html32.cnv, Msconv97.dll".
> (No quotes, yes comma). R-Clk, & select Properties.
>
> I suppose you DID get the update, if your files look like that.
>
> What about this Registry key...?...
>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed
> Components\{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}]
> @="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
> "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001
> "Locale"="EN"
> "Version"="4.10.0.2222"
>
> To see it...
> (a) "START button, Run, Regedit"
> (b) Click plus signs, beginning at "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE",
> & ending with....................... "Installed Components".
> (c) Click "{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}" in the left pane.
> (d) Look in the right pane. What do you see?
>
> And this one, which puts it into the left pane at...
> "START button, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Software Updates,
> W98.SE"...?...
>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup\Upda
> tes\W98.SE\UPDQ823559]
> @="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
> "C:\\PROGRA~1\\COMMON~1\\Micros~1\\TextConv\\html32 .cnv"="2003.1100.5426
> .0"
> "C:\\PROGRA~1\\COMMON~1\\Micros~1\\TextConv\\msconv 97.dll"="2003.1100.54
> 26.0"
>
> Finally, there is this Registry key, which puts it in Add/Remove...
>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Uninstall\
> Q823559]
> @=""
> "DisplayName"="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
> "UninstallString"="RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection
> C:\\WINDOWS\\INF\\QFE\\W98.SE\\823559UN.INF"
>
> | "PA Bear [MS MVP]" > wrote in message
> | ...
> |> [Begin crosspost to Win98 General newsgroup]
> |>
> |> Thread history:
> |>
> |
>
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/browse_frm/thread/d5c99b0ae721f42f/455c688cdb10b216
> |>
> |> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> |>
> |> The 0x801901F4 error(s) means that the update(s) failed to download
> |> AND install.
> |>
> |> IIRC only older versions of Zone Alarm firewall will work properly
> |> in Win98, Jim. If you're NOT running Zone Alarm v6.1.744.1,
> |> uninstall it now. [If you're connecting to the DSL modem via a
> |> router, the router alone should provide adequate protection for the
> |> Win98 box. Others here are sure to disagree with me but so be it.]
> |>
> |> Moving on...
> |>
> |> [You will want to print or copy/paste the following instructions into
> |> Notepad for offline reference.]
> |>
> |> 1. AFAIK, no currently supported version of SpySweeper's supported
> |> in Win98. Assuming you've not purchased SpySweeper (or if you don't
> |> get if "free" from your ISP or MSN), please (a) disable all
> |> SpySweeper Guards (protections) then (b) uninstall it.
> |>
> |> 2. Very briefly & temporarily, disable ZA firewall (if still
> |> installed) *and* all SpySweeper Guards (if still installed) *and*
> |> Avast *and* physically disconnect the machine from the internet.
> |> Don't reconnect until Step #4 below!
> |>
> |> 3a. Now overinstall IE6 SP1 per my previous reply to this thread:
> |>
> |
>
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/msg/c2441e1a72a2d39b
> |>
> |> 3b. After rebooting, repeat Step #2 above!!
> |>
> |> 4. Now reconnect to the internet and go to Windows Update and try
> |> again. Follow all prompts.
> |>
> |> NB: Don't do ANYTHING else online until Avast has been re-enabled
> |> and (if you don't connect via a router) until ZA (v6.1.744.1 or
> |> earlier) has been re-enabled!!
> |> --
> |> ~PA Bear
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
>
>
>

PCR

October 5th 08, 06:23 PM

Jim wrote:
| That program, critical update, is still stating that the update is not
| installed.

I see elsewhere you said you have all the registry keys I posted, which
must include the one that displays the file versions. What about those
file versions as they appear in the files themselves in Explorer
properties...?...

27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll

If those match in the files themselves, for sure you got the update, &
all we really want is for Windows Update to stop offering it. And are
the files both located in...?...

C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\TEXTCONV

You may also have a copy of each in C:\Windows\Options\Cabs (or
equivalent) as I do. But they should be nowhere else-- are they? If so,
what versions?

| I think you [PCR] may have exposed why this is happening.
| The regedit key:
|
|
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup\Updat
es\W
| 98.SE\UPDQ823559
|
| This should be in Win98 updates not Win98 SE updates. The Citical
| Update program most likely reads the msinfo32 log first. It does not
| see this in Win98 updates and ignores it in Win98 SE updates.
| Understand?

That can't be the problem because Q823559 isn't constantly offered to
me. They've never been offered more than once to me. What do you see for
those files in...?...

"START button, Run, QFECheck, W98.SE, UPDQ823559"

Is it showing the correct versions? Too bad the fact you have that
"IsInstalled" key set right isn't the end of this! But Terhune once said
there's no telling what Windows Update is looking for in these matters!

| "PCR" > wrote in message
| ...
|> Jim wrote:
|> | OK, next I tried the reinstall of ie6setup with [radio button]
|> | reinstall all components (which is not a minimal) and went thru the
|> | whole approach again. Here I had 3 critical updates to install
|> | with a reboot at the end. This is the log of win update on this
|> | machine which appears to be successful.
|> |
|> ...snip...
|> | Download destination root folder is: c:\WUTemp 2008-10-03 17:31:18
|> | 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
|> |
|>
|
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/IE6.0sp1-KB837009-x86-ENU_416d4903c2a4703fa0510aa71f51bef.exe
|> | 2008-10-03 17:31:18 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Local path
|> |
|>
c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q837009_OE6_SP1_W98WinME_O nly\IE6.0sp1-KB837009-
|> x86-
|> | ENU.exe 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE
|> | Downloaded file
|>
|> |
|>
|
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/823559USA8_0e714506b380e4be11ff07b31da9da9.EXE
|> | 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE Local path
|> | c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE 2008-10-03
|> | 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
|>
|> |
|>
|
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/q313829_5EEDD33FA704078BE5873EFA6E8C3D62B82C2EFF.e xe
|> | 2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE Local path
|> | c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q313829_W98_5285\q313829.e xe 2008-10-03
|> | 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml for
|> | details: Download finished 2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success
|> | ...snip... I will check at Windows Update scan to see if this
|> | still triggers the update.
|>
|> Yep, looks like you got 3 of them that time. I hope that solves it &
|> you will not be offered any of them (especially 823559) again. But,
|> if so, here are a few things to check...
|>
|> (1) Try to uninstall it FIRST, at "Control Panel, Add/Remove
|> Programs, Install/Uninstall tab". It looks like this: "Windows 98
|> Q823559 Update". Now, go to Windows Update, and see whether it will
|> come in well-- & just once.
|>
|> (2) What are your versions of these files...?...
|> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;823559
|> ...Quote.. Win98 files...
|> Date Time Version Size File name
|> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
---
|> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
|> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
|> ...End quote.....
|>
|> START button, Find, F/F, "Html32.cnv, Msconv97.dll".
|> (No quotes, yes comma). R-Clk, & select Properties.
|>
|> I suppose you DID get the update, if your files look like that.
|>
|> What about this Registry key...?...
|>
|> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed
|> Components\{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}]
|> @="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
|> "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001
|> "Locale"="EN"
|> "Version"="4.10.0.2222"
|>
|> To see it...
|> (a) "START button, Run, Regedit"
|> (b) Click plus signs, beginning at "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE",
|> & ending with....................... "Installed Components".
|> (c) Click "{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}" in the left pane.
|> (d) Look in the right pane. What do you see?
|>
|> And this one, which puts it into the left pane at...
|> "START button, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Software Updates,
|> W98.SE"...?...
|>
|>
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup\Upda
|> tes\W98.SE\UPDQ823559]
|> @="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
|>
"C:\\PROGRA~1\\COMMON~1\\Micros~1\\TextConv\\html32 .cnv"="2003.1100.5426
|> .0"
|>
"C:\\PROGRA~1\\COMMON~1\\Micros~1\\TextConv\\msconv 97.dll"="2003.1100.54
|> 26.0"
|>
|> Finally, there is this Registry key, which puts it in Add/Remove...
|>
|>
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Uninstall\
|> Q823559]
|> @=""
|> "DisplayName"="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
|> "UninstallString"="RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection
|> C:\\WINDOWS\\INF\\QFE\\W98.SE\\823559UN.INF"
|>
|> | "PA Bear [MS MVP]" > wrote in message
|> | ...
|> |> [Begin crosspost to Win98 General newsgroup]
|> |>
|> |> Thread history:
|> |>
|> |
|>
|
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/browse_frm/thread/d5c99b0ae721f42f/455c688cdb10b216
|> |>
|> |> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|> |>
|> |> The 0x801901F4 error(s) means that the update(s) failed to
|> |> download AND install.
|> |>
|> |> IIRC only older versions of Zone Alarm firewall will work properly
|> |> in Win98, Jim. If you're NOT running Zone Alarm v6.1.744.1,
|> |> uninstall it now. [If you're connecting to the DSL modem via a
|> |> router, the router alone should provide adequate protection for
|> |> the Win98 box. Others here are sure to disagree with me but so
|> |> be it.]
|> |>
|> |> Moving on...
|> |>
|> |> [You will want to print or copy/paste the following instructions
|> |> into Notepad for offline reference.]
|> |>
|> |> 1. AFAIK, no currently supported version of SpySweeper's supported
|> |> in Win98. Assuming you've not purchased SpySweeper (or if you
|> |> don't get if "free" from your ISP or MSN), please (a) disable all
|> |> SpySweeper Guards (protections) then (b) uninstall it.
|> |>
|> |> 2. Very briefly & temporarily, disable ZA firewall (if still
|> |> installed) *and* all SpySweeper Guards (if still installed) *and*
|> |> Avast *and* physically disconnect the machine from the internet.
|> |> Don't reconnect until Step #4 below!
|> |>
|> |> 3a. Now overinstall IE6 SP1 per my previous reply to this thread:
|> |>
|> |
|>
|
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/msg/c2441e1a72a2d39b
|> |>
|> |> 3b. After rebooting, repeat Step #2 above!!
|> |>
|> |> 4. Now reconnect to the internet and go to Windows Update and try
|> |> again. Follow all prompts.
|> |>
|> |> NB: Don't do ANYTHING else online until Avast has been re-enabled
|> |> and (if you don't connect via a router) until ZA (v6.1.744.1 or
|> |> earlier) has been re-enabled!!
|> |> --
|> |> ~PA Bear
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|>

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

Jim

October 5th 08, 07:58 PM

Yes, I think I see the problem there. The QFEcheck states Invalid. It is
seeing version difference. Should be,
27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
QFE seeing version
2000.11.9.0 for both files.

"PCR" > wrote in message
...
> Jim wrote:
> | That program, critical update, is still stating that the update is not
> | installed.
>
> I see elsewhere you said you have all the registry keys I posted, which
> must include the one that displays the file versions. What about those
> file versions as they appear in the files themselves in Explorer
> properties...?...
>
> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
>
> If those match in the files themselves, for sure you got the update, &
> all we really want is for Windows Update to stop offering it. And are
> the files both located in...?...
>
> C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\TEXTCONV
>
> You may also have a copy of each in C:\Windows\Options\Cabs (or
> equivalent) as I do. But they should be nowhere else-- are they? If so,
> what versions?
>
> | I think you [PCR] may have exposed why this is happening.
> | The regedit key:
> |
> |
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup\Updat
> es\W
> | 98.SE\UPDQ823559
> |
> | This should be in Win98 updates not Win98 SE updates. The Citical
> | Update program most likely reads the msinfo32 log first. It does not
> | see this in Win98 updates and ignores it in Win98 SE updates.
> | Understand?
>
> That can't be the problem because Q823559 isn't constantly offered to
> me. They've never been offered more than once to me. What do you see for
> those files in...?...
>
> "START button, Run, QFECheck, W98.SE, UPDQ823559"
>
> Is it showing the correct versions? Too bad the fact you have that
> "IsInstalled" key set right isn't the end of this! But Terhune once said
> there's no telling what Windows Update is looking for in these matters!
>
> | "PCR" > wrote in message
> | ...
> |> Jim wrote:
> |> | OK, next I tried the reinstall of ie6setup with [radio button]
> |> | reinstall all components (which is not a minimal) and went thru the
> |> | whole approach again. Here I had 3 critical updates to install
> |> | with a reboot at the end. This is the log of win update on this
> |> | machine which appears to be successful.
> |> |
> |> ...snip...
> |> | Download destination root folder is: c:\WUTemp 2008-10-03 17:31:18
> |> | 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
> |> |
> |>
> |
>
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/IE6.0sp1-KB837009-x86-ENU_416d4903c2a4703fa0510aa71f51bef.exe
> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:18 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Local path
> |> |
> |>
> c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q837009_OE6_SP1_W98WinME_O nly\IE6.0sp1-KB837009-
> |> x86-
> |> | ENU.exe 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE
> |> | Downloaded file
> |>
> |> |
> |>
> |
>
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/823559USA8_0e714506b380e4be11ff07b31da9da9.EXE
> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE Local path
> |> | c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE 2008-10-03
> |> | 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
> |>
> |> |
> |>
> |
>
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/q313829_5EEDD33FA704078BE5873EFA6E8C3D62B82C2EFF.e xe
> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE Local path
> |> | c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q313829_W98_5285\q313829.e xe 2008-10-03
> |> | 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE See iuhist.xml for
> |> | details: Download finished 2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success
> |> | ...snip... I will check at Windows Update scan to see if this
> |> | still triggers the update.
> |>
> |> Yep, looks like you got 3 of them that time. I hope that solves it &
> |> you will not be offered any of them (especially 823559) again. But,
> |> if so, here are a few things to check...
> |>
> |> (1) Try to uninstall it FIRST, at "Control Panel, Add/Remove
> |> Programs, Install/Uninstall tab". It looks like this: "Windows 98
> |> Q823559 Update". Now, go to Windows Update, and see whether it will
> |> come in well-- & just once.
> |>
> |> (2) What are your versions of these files...?...
> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;823559
> |> ...Quote.. Win98 files...
> |> Date Time Version Size File name
> |> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> |> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
> |> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
> |> ...End quote.....
> |>
> |> START button, Find, F/F, "Html32.cnv, Msconv97.dll".
> |> (No quotes, yes comma). R-Clk, & select Properties.
> |>
> |> I suppose you DID get the update, if your files look like that.
> |>
> |> What about this Registry key...?...
> |>
> |> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed
> |> Components\{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}]
> |> @="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
> |> "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001
> |> "Locale"="EN"
> |> "Version"="4.10.0.2222"
> |>
> |> To see it...
> |> (a) "START button, Run, Regedit"
> |> (b) Click plus signs, beginning at "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE",
> |> & ending with....................... "Installed Components".
> |> (c) Click "{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}" in the left pane.
> |> (d) Look in the right pane. What do you see?
> |>
> |> And this one, which puts it into the left pane at...
> |> "START button, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Software Updates,
> |> W98.SE"...?...
> |>
> |>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup\Upda
> |> tes\W98.SE\UPDQ823559]
> |> @="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
> |>
> "C:\\PROGRA~1\\COMMON~1\\Micros~1\\TextConv\\html32 .cnv"="2003.1100.5426
> |> .0"
> |>
> "C:\\PROGRA~1\\COMMON~1\\Micros~1\\TextConv\\msconv 97.dll"="2003.1100.54
> |> 26.0"
> |>
> |> Finally, there is this Registry key, which puts it in Add/Remove...
> |>
> |>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Uninstall\
> |> Q823559]
> |> @=""
> |> "DisplayName"="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
> |> "UninstallString"="RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection
> |> C:\\WINDOWS\\INF\\QFE\\W98.SE\\823559UN.INF"
> |>
> |> | "PA Bear [MS MVP]" > wrote in message
> |> | ...
> |> |> [Begin crosspost to Win98 General newsgroup]
> |> |>
> |> |> Thread history:
> |> |>
> |> |
> |>
> |
>
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/browse_frm/thread/d5c99b0ae721f42f/455c688cdb10b216
> |> |>
> |> |> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> |> |>
> |> |> The 0x801901F4 error(s) means that the update(s) failed to
> |> |> download AND install.
> |> |>
> |> |> IIRC only older versions of Zone Alarm firewall will work properly
> |> |> in Win98, Jim. If you're NOT running Zone Alarm v6.1.744.1,
> |> |> uninstall it now. [If you're connecting to the DSL modem via a
> |> |> router, the router alone should provide adequate protection for
> |> |> the Win98 box. Others here are sure to disagree with me but so
> |> |> be it.]
> |> |>
> |> |> Moving on...
> |> |>
> |> |> [You will want to print or copy/paste the following instructions
> |> |> into Notepad for offline reference.]
> |> |>
> |> |> 1. AFAIK, no currently supported version of SpySweeper's supported
> |> |> in Win98. Assuming you've not purchased SpySweeper (or if you
> |> |> don't get if "free" from your ISP or MSN), please (a) disable all
> |> |> SpySweeper Guards (protections) then (b) uninstall it.
> |> |>
> |> |> 2. Very briefly & temporarily, disable ZA firewall (if still
> |> |> installed) *and* all SpySweeper Guards (if still installed) *and*
> |> |> Avast *and* physically disconnect the machine from the internet.
> |> |> Don't reconnect until Step #4 below!
> |> |>
> |> |> 3a. Now overinstall IE6 SP1 per my previous reply to this thread:
> |> |>
> |> |
> |>
> |
>
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/msg/c2441e1a72a2d39b
> |> |>
> |> |> 3b. After rebooting, repeat Step #2 above!!
> |> |>
> |> |> 4. Now reconnect to the internet and go to Windows Update and try
> |> |> again. Follow all prompts.
> |> |>
> |> |> NB: Don't do ANYTHING else online until Avast has been re-enabled
> |> |> and (if you don't connect via a router) until ZA (v6.1.744.1 or
> |> |> earlier) has been re-enabled!!
> |> |> --
> |> |> ~PA Bear
> |>
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
>
>
>

PA Bear [MS MVP]

October 5th 08, 08:40 PM

NB: Please delete the crosspost to Windows Update newsgroup in further
replies to this thread. Thank you.

PCR wrote:
> Jim wrote:
>> That program, critical update, is still stating that the update is not
>> installed.
>
> I see elsewhere you said you have all the registry keys I posted, which
> must include the one that displays the file versions. What about those
> file versions as they appear in the files themselves in Explorer
> properties...?...
<snip>

PCR

October 5th 08, 08:50 PM

Jim wrote:
| Yes, I think I see the problem there. The QFEcheck states Invalid. It
| is seeing version difference. Should be,
| 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
| 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
| QFE seeing version
| 2000.11.9.0 for both files.

Interesting. How could everything look so good in your Windows Update
log & in your registry-- & YET you have older files!?! But that sounds
like it could be the problem all right. I'm still trying to think,
but...

(1) What folder are Html32.cnv & Msconv97.dll in?
Normally, they'd be in...
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\TEXTCONV

(2) Are they located anywhere else too;
if so, what versions are they?

(3) Do you have 823559UN.INF, & where is it?
Should be in C:\WINDOWS\INF\QFE\W98.SE.
Here is mine, just for comparitive purposes...

; 823559UN.INF
; This is the Setup information file to uninstall the Windows 98 Q823559
Update:

[version]
AdvancedINF = 2.5, %AdvPackWarn%
signature=$CHICAGO$

[DefaultInstall]
CustomDestination = app_chk
DelFiles=WinUPD.delFiles,WinUPD.delINF,WinUpd.delO ptions
delreg=WinUPD.delreg
RenFiles=WinUPD.renFiles
DelDirs=WinUPD.deldir

[DestinationDirs]
WinUPD.delFiles = 49500,%sharedtools%
WinUPD.renFiles = 49500,%sharedtools%
WinUPD.delINF = 17,QFE\%SPKey%
WinUpd.delOptions = 10,options\cabs

;check for install location
[app_chk]
49500 = conv_loc_chk,5

[conv_loc_chk]
HKLM,"%conv_loc%",CommonFilesDir,,"1"
"","","","This update is not designed for your version of Windows.
Press OK to exit.",""

[WinUPD.delFiles]
html32.cnv
msconv97.dll

[WinUPD.renFiles]
html32.cnv,html32.qfe
msconv97.dll,msconv97.qfe

[WinUPD.delINF]
823559UN.INF

[WinUpd.delOptions]
html32.cnv
msconv97.dll

[WinUPD.deldir]
%17%\QFE\%SPKey%

[WinUPD.delreg]
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\%GUID%"
HKLM,%UpdateKey%\%SPKey%\%LocaleID%%UpdID%\
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstal l\%UpdID%"

[Strings]
;Non-localizable
LANG = "EN"
LocaleID = "UPD"
Guid= "{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}"
version = "4.10.0.2222"
UpdID = "Q823559"
UpdateKey= "Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Up dates"
SPKey= "W98.SE"
conv_loc = "Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion"
sharedtools= "Micros~1\TextConv"

;Localizable strings
UpdName="Windows 98 Q823559 Patch"
AdvPackWarn="You need a newer version of advpack.dll."
SrcDiskName="Q823559 Patch"

| "PCR" > wrote in message
| ...
|> Jim wrote:
|> | That program, critical update, is still stating that the update is
|> | not installed.
|>
|> I see elsewhere you said you have all the registry keys I posted,
|> which must include the one that displays the file versions. What
|> about those file versions as they appear in the files themselves in
|> Explorer properties...?...
|>
|> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
|> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
|>
|> If those match in the files themselves, for sure you got the update,
|> & all we really want is for Windows Update to stop offering it. And
|> are the files both located in...?...
|>
|> C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\TEXTCONV
|>
|> You may also have a copy of each in C:\Windows\Options\Cabs (or
|> equivalent) as I do. But they should be nowhere else-- are they? If
|> so, what versions?
|>
|> | I think you [PCR] may have exposed why this is happening.
|> | The regedit key:
|> |
|> |
|>
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup\Updat
|> es\W
|> | 98.SE\UPDQ823559
|> |
|> | This should be in Win98 updates not Win98 SE updates. The Citical
|> | Update program most likely reads the msinfo32 log first. It does
|> | not see this in Win98 updates and ignores it in Win98 SE updates.
|> | Understand?
|>
|> That can't be the problem because Q823559 isn't constantly offered to
|> me. They've never been offered more than once to me. What do you see
|> for those files in...?...
|>
|> "START button, Run, QFECheck, W98.SE, UPDQ823559"
|>
|> Is it showing the correct versions? Too bad the fact you have that
|> "IsInstalled" key set right isn't the end of this! But Terhune once
|> said there's no telling what Windows Update is looking for in these
|> matters!
|>
|> | "PCR" > wrote in message
|> | ...
|> |> Jim wrote:
|> |> | OK, next I tried the reinstall of ie6setup with [radio button]
|> |> | reinstall all components (which is not a minimal) and went thru
|> |> | the whole approach again. Here I had 3 critical updates to
|> |> | install with a reboot at the end. This is the log of win update
|> |> | on this machine which appears to be successful.
|> |> |
|> |> ...snip...
|> |> | Download destination root folder is: c:\WUTemp 2008-10-03
|> |> | 17:31:18 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
|> |> |
|> |>
|> |
|>
|
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/IE6.0sp1-KB837009-x86-ENU_416d4903c2a4703fa0510aa71f51bef.exe
|> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:18 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Local
|> |> | path
|> |> |
|> |>
|>
c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q837009_OE6_SP1_W98WinME_O nly\IE6.0sp1-KB837009-
|> |> x86-
|> |> | ENU.exe 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE
|> |> | Downloaded file
|> |>
|> |> |
|> |>
|> |
|>
|
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/823559USA8_0e714506b380e4be11ff07b31da9da9.EXE
|> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE Local
|> |> | path c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE
|> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE
|> |> | Downloaded file
|> |>
|> |> |
|> |>
|> |
|>
|
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/q313829_5EEDD33FA704078BE5873EFA6E8C3D62B82C2EFF.e xe
|> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE Local
|> |> | path c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q313829_W98_5285\q313829.e xe
|> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE See
|> |> | iuhist.xml for details: Download finished 2008-10-03 17:31:36
|> |> | 21:31:36 Success ...snip... I will check at Windows Update
|> |> | scan to see if this still triggers the update.
|> |>
|> |> Yep, looks like you got 3 of them that time. I hope that solves
|> |> it & you will not be offered any of them (especially 823559)
|> |> again. But, if so, here are a few things to check...
|> |>
|> |> (1) Try to uninstall it FIRST, at "Control Panel, Add/Remove
|> |> Programs, Install/Uninstall tab". It looks like this: "Windows 98
|> |> Q823559 Update". Now, go to Windows Update, and see whether it
|> |> will come in well-- & just once.
|> |>
|> |> (2) What are your versions of these files...?...
|> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;823559
|> |> ...Quote.. Win98 files...
|> |> Date Time Version Size File
|> |> name
|>
|> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
|> |> --- 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
|> |> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll ...End
|> |> quote.....
|> |>
|> |> START button, Find, F/F, "Html32.cnv, Msconv97.dll".
|> |> (No quotes, yes comma). R-Clk, & select Properties.
|> |>
|> |> I suppose you DID get the update, if your files look like that.
|> |>
|> |> What about this Registry key...?...
|> |>
|> |> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed
|> |> Components\{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}]
|> |> @="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
|> |> "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001
|> |> "Locale"="EN"
|> |> "Version"="4.10.0.2222"
|> |>
|> |> To see it...
|> |> (a) "START button, Run, Regedit"
|> |> (b) Click plus signs, beginning at "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE",
|> |> & ending with....................... "Installed Components".
|> |> (c) Click "{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}" in the left
|> |> pane. (d) Look in the right pane. What do you see?
|> |>
|> |> And this one, which puts it into the left pane at...
|> |> "START button, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Software
|> |> Updates, W98.SE"...?...
|> |>
|> |>
|>
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup\Upda
|> |> tes\W98.SE\UPDQ823559]
|> |> @="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
|> |>
|>
"C:\\PROGRA~1\\COMMON~1\\Micros~1\\TextConv\\html32 .cnv"="2003.1100.5426
|> |> .0"
|> |>
|>
"C:\\PROGRA~1\\COMMON~1\\Micros~1\\TextConv\\msconv 97.dll"="2003.1100.54
|> |> 26.0"
|> |>
|> |> Finally, there is this Registry key, which puts it in
|> |> Add/Remove...
|> |>
|> |>
|>
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Uninstall\
|> |> Q823559]
|> |> @=""
|> |> "DisplayName"="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
|> |> "UninstallString"="RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection
|> |> C:\\WINDOWS\\INF\\QFE\\W98.SE\\823559UN.INF"
|> |>
|> |> | "PA Bear [MS MVP]" > wrote in message
|> |> | ...
|> |> |> [Begin crosspost to Win98 General newsgroup]
|> |> |>
|> |> |> Thread history:
|> |> |>
|> |> |
|> |>
|> |
|>
|
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/browse_frm/thread/d5c99b0ae721f42f/455c688cdb10b216
|> |> |>
|> |> |> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|> |> |>
|> |> |> The 0x801901F4 error(s) means that the update(s) failed to
|> |> |> download AND install.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> IIRC only older versions of Zone Alarm firewall will work
|> |> |> properly in Win98, Jim. If you're NOT running Zone Alarm
|> |> |> v6.1.744.1, uninstall it now. [If you're connecting to the
|> |> |> DSL modem via a router, the router alone should provide
|> |> |> adequate protection for the Win98 box. Others here are sure
|> |> |> to disagree with me but so be it.]
|> |> |>
|> |> |> Moving on...
|> |> |>
|> |> |> [You will want to print or copy/paste the following
|> |> |> instructions into Notepad for offline reference.]
|> |> |>
|> |> |> 1. AFAIK, no currently supported version of SpySweeper's
|> |> |> supported in Win98. Assuming you've not purchased SpySweeper
|> |> |> (or if you don't get if "free" from your ISP or MSN), please
|> |> |> (a) disable all SpySweeper Guards (protections) then (b)
|> |> |> uninstall it.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> 2. Very briefly & temporarily, disable ZA firewall (if still
|> |> |> installed) *and* all SpySweeper Guards (if still installed)
|> |> |> *and* Avast *and* physically disconnect the machine from the
|> |> |> internet. Don't reconnect until Step #4 below!
|> |> |>
|> |> |> 3a. Now overinstall IE6 SP1 per my previous reply to this
|> |> |> thread:
|> |> |>
|> |> |
|> |>
|> |
|>
|
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/msg/c2441e1a72a2d39b
|> |> |>
|> |> |> 3b. After rebooting, repeat Step #2 above!!
|> |> |>
|> |> |> 4. Now reconnect to the internet and go to Windows Update and
|> |> |> try again. Follow all prompts.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> NB: Don't do ANYTHING else online until Avast has been
|> |> |> re-enabled and (if you don't connect via a router) until ZA
|> |> |> (v6.1.744.1 or earlier) has been re-enabled!!
|> |> |> --
|> |> |> ~PA Bear
|> |>
|> |> --
|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> PCR
|> |>
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|>

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

PCR

October 5th 08, 08:57 PM

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
| NB: Please delete the crosspost to Windows Update newsgroup in further
| replies to this thread. Thank you.

Why? There's got to be a chance I actually will find the solution! And
aren't you due for another hibernation? :-).

| PCR wrote:
|> Jim wrote:
|>> That program, critical update, is still stating that the update is
|>> not installed.
|>
|> I see elsewhere you said you have all the registry keys I posted,
|> which must include the one that displays the file versions. What
|> about those file versions as they appear in the files themselves in
|> Explorer properties...?...
| <snip>

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

Jim

October 5th 08, 09:15 PM

Ok, I just went to Add\Remove and removed q823559 and then went to
windowsupdate and reinstalled and worked as far as QFEcheck and FF check and
windowsupdate Welcome scan [all worked] this time. I think what was wrong is
that this was in the Add\Remove during the reinstall of ie6 and just stayed
that way on the continuious attempt to reinstall the update.

The only problem I am having now is that the streaming video is not
displaying at Google News and probably elsewhere.

"PCR" > wrote in message
...
> Jim wrote:
> | Yes, I think I see the problem there. The QFEcheck states Invalid. It
> | is seeing version difference. Should be,
> | 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
> | 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
> | QFE seeing version
> | 2000.11.9.0 for both files.
>
> Interesting. How could everything look so good in your Windows Update
> log & in your registry-- & YET you have older files!?! But that sounds
> like it could be the problem all right. I'm still trying to think,
> but...
>
> (1) What folder are Html32.cnv & Msconv97.dll in?
> Normally, they'd be in...
> C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\TEXTCONV
>
> (2) Are they located anywhere else too;
> if so, what versions are they?
>
> (3) Do you have 823559UN.INF, & where is it?
> Should be in C:\WINDOWS\INF\QFE\W98.SE.
> Here is mine, just for comparitive purposes...
>
> ; 823559UN.INF
> ; This is the Setup information file to uninstall the Windows 98 Q823559
> Update:
>
> [version]
> AdvancedINF = 2.5, %AdvPackWarn%
> signature=$CHICAGO$
>
> [DefaultInstall]
> CustomDestination = app_chk
> DelFiles=WinUPD.delFiles,WinUPD.delINF,WinUpd.delO ptions
> delreg=WinUPD.delreg
> RenFiles=WinUPD.renFiles
> DelDirs=WinUPD.deldir
>
> [DestinationDirs]
> WinUPD.delFiles = 49500,%sharedtools%
> WinUPD.renFiles = 49500,%sharedtools%
> WinUPD.delINF = 17,QFE\%SPKey%
> WinUpd.delOptions = 10,options\cabs
>
> ;check for install location
> [app_chk]
> 49500 = conv_loc_chk,5
>
> [conv_loc_chk]
> HKLM,"%conv_loc%",CommonFilesDir,,"1"
> "","","","This update is not designed for your version of Windows.
> Press OK to exit.",""
>
> [WinUPD.delFiles]
> html32.cnv
> msconv97.dll
>
> [WinUPD.renFiles]
> html32.cnv,html32.qfe
> msconv97.dll,msconv97.qfe
>
> [WinUPD.delINF]
> 823559UN.INF
>
> [WinUpd.delOptions]
> html32.cnv
> msconv97.dll
>
> [WinUPD.deldir]
> %17%\QFE\%SPKey%
>
> [WinUPD.delreg]
> HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\%GUID%"
> HKLM,%UpdateKey%\%SPKey%\%LocaleID%%UpdID%\
> HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstal l\%UpdID%"
>
> [Strings]
> ;Non-localizable
> LANG = "EN"
> LocaleID = "UPD"
> Guid= "{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}"
> version = "4.10.0.2222"
> UpdID = "Q823559"
> UpdateKey= "Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Up dates"
> SPKey= "W98.SE"
> conv_loc = "Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion"
> sharedtools= "Micros~1\TextConv"
>
> ;Localizable strings
> UpdName="Windows 98 Q823559 Patch"
> AdvPackWarn="You need a newer version of advpack.dll."
> SrcDiskName="Q823559 Patch"
>
>
> | "PCR" > wrote in message
> | ...
> |> Jim wrote:
> |> | That program, critical update, is still stating that the update is
> |> | not installed.
> |>
> |> I see elsewhere you said you have all the registry keys I posted,
> |> which must include the one that displays the file versions. What
> |> about those file versions as they appear in the files themselves in
> |> Explorer properties...?...
> |>
> |> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
> |> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
> |>
> |> If those match in the files themselves, for sure you got the update,
> |> & all we really want is for Windows Update to stop offering it. And
> |> are the files both located in...?...
> |>
> |> C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\TEXTCONV
> |>
> |> You may also have a copy of each in C:\Windows\Options\Cabs (or
> |> equivalent) as I do. But they should be nowhere else-- are they? If
> |> so, what versions?
> |>
> |> | I think you [PCR] may have exposed why this is happening.
> |> | The regedit key:
> |> |
> |> |
> |>
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup\Updat
> |> es\W
> |> | 98.SE\UPDQ823559
> |> |
> |> | This should be in Win98 updates not Win98 SE updates. The Citical
> |> | Update program most likely reads the msinfo32 log first. It does
> |> | not see this in Win98 updates and ignores it in Win98 SE updates.
> |> | Understand?
> |>
> |> That can't be the problem because Q823559 isn't constantly offered to
> |> me. They've never been offered more than once to me. What do you see
> |> for those files in...?...
> |>
> |> "START button, Run, QFECheck, W98.SE, UPDQ823559"
> |>
> |> Is it showing the correct versions? Too bad the fact you have that
> |> "IsInstalled" key set right isn't the end of this! But Terhune once
> |> said there's no telling what Windows Update is looking for in these
> |> matters!
> |>
> |> | "PCR" > wrote in message
> |> | ...
> |> |> Jim wrote:
> |> |> | OK, next I tried the reinstall of ie6setup with [radio button]
> |> |> | reinstall all components (which is not a minimal) and went thru
> |> |> | the whole approach again. Here I had 3 critical updates to
> |> |> | install with a reboot at the end. This is the log of win update
> |> |> | on this machine which appears to be successful.
> |> |> |
> |> |> ...snip...
> |> |> | Download destination root folder is: c:\WUTemp 2008-10-03
> |> |> | 17:31:18 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
> |> |> |
> |> |>
> |> |
> |>
> |
>
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/IE6.0sp1-KB837009-x86-ENU_416d4903c2a4703fa0510aa71f51bef.exe
> |> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:18 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Local
> |> |> | path
> |> |> |
> |> |>
> |>
> c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q837009_OE6_SP1_W98WinME_O nly\IE6.0sp1-KB837009-
> |> |> x86-
> |> |> | ENU.exe 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE
> |> |> | Downloaded file
> |> |>
> |> |> |
> |> |>
> |> |
> |>
> |
>
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/823559USA8_0e714506b380e4be11ff07b31da9da9.EXE
> |> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE Local
> |> |> | path c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE
> |> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE
> |> |> | Downloaded file
> |> |>
> |> |> |
> |> |>
> |> |
> |>
> |
>
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/q313829_5EEDD33FA704078BE5873EFA6E8C3D62B82C2EFF.e xe
> |> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE Local
> |> |> | path c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q313829_W98_5285\q313829.e xe
> |> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE See
> |> |> | iuhist.xml for details: Download finished 2008-10-03 17:31:36
> |> |> | 21:31:36 Success ...snip... I will check at Windows Update
> |> |> | scan to see if this still triggers the update.
> |> |>
> |> |> Yep, looks like you got 3 of them that time. I hope that solves
> |> |> it & you will not be offered any of them (especially 823559)
> |> |> again. But, if so, here are a few things to check...
> |> |>
> |> |> (1) Try to uninstall it FIRST, at "Control Panel, Add/Remove
> |> |> Programs, Install/Uninstall tab". It looks like this: "Windows 98
> |> |> Q823559 Update". Now, go to Windows Update, and see whether it
> |> |> will come in well-- & just once.
> |> |>
> |> |> (2) What are your versions of these files...?...
> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;823559
> |> |> ...Quote.. Win98 files...
> |> |> Date Time Version Size File
> |> |> name
> |>
> |> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> |> |> --- 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
> |> |> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll ...End
> |> |> quote.....
> |> |>
> |> |> START button, Find, F/F, "Html32.cnv, Msconv97.dll".
> |> |> (No quotes, yes comma). R-Clk, & select Properties.
> |> |>
> |> |> I suppose you DID get the update, if your files look like that.
> |> |>
> |> |> What about this Registry key...?...
> |> |>
> |> |> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed
> |> |> Components\{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}]
> |> |> @="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
> |> |> "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001
> |> |> "Locale"="EN"
> |> |> "Version"="4.10.0.2222"
> |> |>
> |> |> To see it...
> |> |> (a) "START button, Run, Regedit"
> |> |> (b) Click plus signs, beginning at "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE",
> |> |> & ending with....................... "Installed Components".
> |> |> (c) Click "{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}" in the left
> |> |> pane. (d) Look in the right pane. What do you see?
> |> |>
> |> |> And this one, which puts it into the left pane at...
> |> |> "START button, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Software
> |> |> Updates, W98.SE"...?...
> |> |>
> |> |>
> |>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup\Upda
> |> |> tes\W98.SE\UPDQ823559]
> |> |> @="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
> |> |>
> |>
> "C:\\PROGRA~1\\COMMON~1\\Micros~1\\TextConv\\html32 .cnv"="2003.1100.5426
> |> |> .0"
> |> |>
> |>
> "C:\\PROGRA~1\\COMMON~1\\Micros~1\\TextConv\\msconv 97.dll"="2003.1100.54
> |> |> 26.0"
> |> |>
> |> |> Finally, there is this Registry key, which puts it in
> |> |> Add/Remove...
> |> |>
> |> |>
> |>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Uninstall\
> |> |> Q823559]
> |> |> @=""
> |> |> "DisplayName"="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
> |> |> "UninstallString"="RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection
> |> |> C:\\WINDOWS\\INF\\QFE\\W98.SE\\823559UN.INF"
> |> |>
> |> |> | "PA Bear [MS MVP]" > wrote in message
> |> |> | ...
> |> |> |> [Begin crosspost to Win98 General newsgroup]
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> Thread history:
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |
> |> |>
> |> |
> |>
> |
>
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/browse_frm/thread/d5c99b0ae721f42f/455c688cdb10b216
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> The 0x801901F4 error(s) means that the update(s) failed to
> |> |> |> download AND install.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> IIRC only older versions of Zone Alarm firewall will work
> |> |> |> properly in Win98, Jim. If you're NOT running Zone Alarm
> |> |> |> v6.1.744.1, uninstall it now. [If you're connecting to the
> |> |> |> DSL modem via a router, the router alone should provide
> |> |> |> adequate protection for the Win98 box. Others here are sure
> |> |> |> to disagree with me but so be it.]
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> Moving on...
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> [You will want to print or copy/paste the following
> |> |> |> instructions into Notepad for offline reference.]
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> 1. AFAIK, no currently supported version of SpySweeper's
> |> |> |> supported in Win98. Assuming you've not purchased SpySweeper
> |> |> |> (or if you don't get if "free" from your ISP or MSN), please
> |> |> |> (a) disable all SpySweeper Guards (protections) then (b)
> |> |> |> uninstall it.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> 2. Very briefly & temporarily, disable ZA firewall (if still
> |> |> |> installed) *and* all SpySweeper Guards (if still installed)
> |> |> |> *and* Avast *and* physically disconnect the machine from the
> |> |> |> internet. Don't reconnect until Step #4 below!
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> 3a. Now overinstall IE6 SP1 per my previous reply to this
> |> |> |> thread:
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |
> |> |>
> |> |
> |>
> |
>
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/msg/c2441e1a72a2d39b
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> 3b. After rebooting, repeat Step #2 above!!
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> 4. Now reconnect to the internet and go to Windows Update and
> |> |> |> try again. Follow all prompts.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> NB: Don't do ANYTHING else online until Avast has been
> |> |> |> re-enabled and (if you don't connect via a router) until ZA
> |> |> |> (v6.1.744.1 or earlier) has been re-enabled!!
> |> |> |> --
> |> |> |> ~PA Bear
> |> |>
> |> |> --
> |> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> |> PCR
> |> |>
> |>
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
>
>
>

PCR

October 5th 08, 09:35 PM

Jim wrote:
| Ok, I just went to Add\Remove and removed q823559 and then went to
| windowsupdate and reinstalled and worked as far as QFEcheck and FF
| check and windowsupdate Welcome scan [all worked] this time. I think
| what was wrong is that this was in the Add\Remove during the
| reinstall of ie6 and just stayed that way on the continuious attempt
| to reinstall the update.

Are you saying Windows Update has ceased to offer it anymore & you do
have the right file versions? Wow! I am pleased! Go to that other NG PA
Bear has banned me from & tell them!

| The only problem I am having now is that the streaming video is not
| displaying at Google News and probably elsewhere.

Best start a new thread for that. Post a specific site that has the
problem for others to check. It could be something screwy on their end.

| "PCR" > wrote in message
| ...
|> Jim wrote:
|> | Yes, I think I see the problem there. The QFEcheck states Invalid.
|> | It is seeing version difference. Should be,
|> | 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
|> | 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
|> | QFE seeing version
|> | 2000.11.9.0 for both files.
|>
|> Interesting. How could everything look so good in your Windows Update
|> log & in your registry-- & YET you have older files!?! But that
|> sounds like it could be the problem all right. I'm still trying to
|> think, but...
|>
|> (1) What folder are Html32.cnv & Msconv97.dll in?
|> Normally, they'd be in...
|> C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\TEXTCONV
|>
|> (2) Are they located anywhere else too;
|> if so, what versions are they?
|>
|> (3) Do you have 823559UN.INF, & where is it?
|> Should be in C:\WINDOWS\INF\QFE\W98.SE.
|> Here is mine, just for comparitive purposes...
|>
|> ; 823559UN.INF
|> ; This is the Setup information file to uninstall the Windows 98
|> Q823559 Update:
|>
|> [version]
|> AdvancedINF = 2.5, %AdvPackWarn%
|> signature=$CHICAGO$
|>
|> [DefaultInstall]
|> CustomDestination = app_chk
|> DelFiles=WinUPD.delFiles,WinUPD.delINF,WinUpd.delO ptions
|> delreg=WinUPD.delreg
|> RenFiles=WinUPD.renFiles
|> DelDirs=WinUPD.deldir
|>
|> [DestinationDirs]
|> WinUPD.delFiles = 49500,%sharedtools%
|> WinUPD.renFiles = 49500,%sharedtools%
|> WinUPD.delINF = 17,QFE\%SPKey%
|> WinUpd.delOptions = 10,options\cabs
|>
|> ;check for install location
|> [app_chk]
|> 49500 = conv_loc_chk,5
|>
|> [conv_loc_chk]
|> HKLM,"%conv_loc%",CommonFilesDir,,"1"
|> "","","","This update is not designed for your version of Windows.
|> Press OK to exit.",""
|>
|> [WinUPD.delFiles]
|> html32.cnv
|> msconv97.dll
|>
|> [WinUPD.renFiles]
|> html32.cnv,html32.qfe
|> msconv97.dll,msconv97.qfe
|>
|> [WinUPD.delINF]
|> 823559UN.INF
|>
|> [WinUpd.delOptions]
|> html32.cnv
|> msconv97.dll
|>
|> [WinUPD.deldir]
|> %17%\QFE\%SPKey%
|>
|> [WinUPD.delreg]
|> HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\%GUID%"
|> HKLM,%UpdateKey%\%SPKey%\%LocaleID%%UpdID%\
|> HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstal l\%UpdID%"
|>
|> [Strings]
|> ;Non-localizable
|> LANG = "EN"
|> LocaleID = "UPD"
|> Guid= "{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}"
|> version = "4.10.0.2222"
|> UpdID = "Q823559"
|> UpdateKey= "Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Up dates"
|> SPKey= "W98.SE"
|> conv_loc = "Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion"
|> sharedtools= "Micros~1\TextConv"
|>
|> ;Localizable strings
|> UpdName="Windows 98 Q823559 Patch"
|> AdvPackWarn="You need a newer version of advpack.dll."
|> SrcDiskName="Q823559 Patch"
|>
|>
|> | "PCR" > wrote in message
|> | ...
|> |> Jim wrote:
|> |> | That program, critical update, is still stating that the update
|> |> | is not installed.
|> |>
|> |> I see elsewhere you said you have all the registry keys I posted,
|> |> which must include the one that displays the file versions. What
|> |> about those file versions as they appear in the files themselves
|> |> in Explorer properties...?...
|> |>
|> |> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
|> |> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
|> |>
|> |> If those match in the files themselves, for sure you got the
|> |> update, & all we really want is for Windows Update to stop
|> |> offering it. And are the files both located in...?...
|> |>
|> |> C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\TEXTCONV
|> |>
|> |> You may also have a copy of each in C:\Windows\Options\Cabs (or
|> |> equivalent) as I do. But they should be nowhere else-- are they?
|> |> If so, what versions?
|> |>
|> |> | I think you [PCR] may have exposed why this is happening.
|> |> | The regedit key:
|> |> |
|> |> |
|> |>
|>
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup\Updat
|> |> es\W
|> |> | 98.SE\UPDQ823559
|> |> |
|> |> | This should be in Win98 updates not Win98 SE updates. The
|> |> | Citical Update program most likely reads the msinfo32 log
|> |> | first. It does not see this in Win98 updates and ignores it in
|> |> | Win98 SE updates. Understand?
|> |>
|> |> That can't be the problem because Q823559 isn't constantly
|> |> offered to me. They've never been offered more than once to me.
|> |> What do you see for those files in...?...
|> |>
|> |> "START button, Run, QFECheck, W98.SE, UPDQ823559"
|> |>
|> |> Is it showing the correct versions? Too bad the fact you have that
|> |> "IsInstalled" key set right isn't the end of this! But Terhune
|> |> once said there's no telling what Windows Update is looking for
|> |> in these matters!
|> |>
|> |> | "PCR" > wrote in message
|> |> | ...
|> |> |> Jim wrote:
|> |> |> | OK, next I tried the reinstall of ie6setup with [radio
|> |> |> | button] reinstall all components (which is not a minimal)
|> |> |> | and went thru the whole approach again. Here I had 3
|> |> |> | critical updates to install with a reboot at the end. This
|> |> |> | is the log of win update on this machine which appears to be
|> |> |> | successful.
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> ...snip...
|> |> |> | Download destination root folder is: c:\WUTemp 2008-10-03
|> |> |> | 17:31:18 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
|> |> |> |
|> |> |>
|> |> |
|> |>
|> |
|>
|
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/IE6.0sp1-KB837009-x86-ENU_416d4903c2a4703fa0510aa71f51bef.exe
|> |> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:18 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE
|> |> |> | Local path
|> |> |> |
|> |> |>
|> |>
|>
c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q837009_OE6_SP1_W98WinME_O nly\IE6.0sp1-KB837009-
|> |> |> x86-
|> |> |> | ENU.exe 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE
|> |> |> | Downloaded file
|> |> |>
|> |> |> |
|> |> |>
|> |> |
|> |>
|> |
|>
|
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/823559USA8_0e714506b380e4be11ff07b31da9da9.EXE
|> |> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE
|> |> |> | Local path c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE
|> |> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE
|> |> |> | Downloaded file
|> |> |>
|> |> |> |
|> |> |>
|> |> |
|> |>
|> |
|>
|
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/q313829_5EEDD33FA704078BE5873EFA6E8C3D62B82C2EFF.e xe
|> |> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE
|> |> |> | Local path
|> |> |> | c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q313829_W98_5285\q313829.e xe
|> |> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE See
|> |> |> | iuhist.xml for details: Download finished 2008-10-03
|> |> |> | 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success ...snip... I will check at
|> |> |> | Windows Update scan to see if this still triggers the
|> |> |> | update.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> Yep, looks like you got 3 of them that time. I hope that solves
|> |> |> it & you will not be offered any of them (especially 823559)
|> |> |> again. But, if so, here are a few things to check...
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (1) Try to uninstall it FIRST, at "Control Panel, Add/Remove
|> |> |> Programs, Install/Uninstall tab". It looks like this: "Windows
|> |> |> 98 Q823559 Update". Now, go to Windows Update, and see whether
|> |> |> it will come in well-- & just once.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (2) What are your versions of these files...?...
|> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;823559
|> |> |> ...Quote.. Win98 files...
|> |> |> Date Time Version Size File
|> |> |> name
|> |>
|>
|> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
|> |> |> --- 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
|> |> |> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
|> |> |> ...End quote.....
|> |> |>
|> |> |> START button, Find, F/F, "Html32.cnv, Msconv97.dll".
|> |> |> (No quotes, yes comma). R-Clk, & select Properties.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> I suppose you DID get the update, if your files look like that.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> What about this Registry key...?...
|> |> |>
|> |> |> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed
|> |> |> Components\{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}]
|> |> |> @="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
|> |> |> "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001
|> |> |> "Locale"="EN"
|> |> |> "Version"="4.10.0.2222"
|> |> |>
|> |> |> To see it...
|> |> |> (a) "START button, Run, Regedit"
|> |> |> (b) Click plus signs, beginning at "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE",
|> |> |> & ending with....................... "Installed
|> |> |> Components". (c) Click
|> |> |> "{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}" in the left pane. (d)
|> |> |> Look in the right pane. What do you see?
|> |> |>
|> |> |> And this one, which puts it into the left pane at...
|> |> |> "START button, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Software
|> |> |> Updates, W98.SE"...?...
|> |> |>
|> |> |>
|> |>
|>
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup\Upda
|> |> |> tes\W98.SE\UPDQ823559]
|> |> |> @="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
|> |> |>
|> |>
|>
"C:\\PROGRA~1\\COMMON~1\\Micros~1\\TextConv\\html32 .cnv"="2003.1100.5426
|> |> |> .0"
|> |> |>
|> |>
|>
"C:\\PROGRA~1\\COMMON~1\\Micros~1\\TextConv\\msconv 97.dll"="2003.1100.54
|> |> |> 26.0"
|> |> |>
|> |> |> Finally, there is this Registry key, which puts it in
|> |> |> Add/Remove...
|> |> |>
|> |> |>
|> |>
|>
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Uninstall\
|> |> |> Q823559]
|> |> |> @=""
|> |> |> "DisplayName"="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
|> |> |> "UninstallString"="RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection
|> |> |> C:\\WINDOWS\\INF\\QFE\\W98.SE\\823559UN.INF"
|> |> |>
|> |> |> | "PA Bear [MS MVP]" > wrote in message
|> |> |> | ...
|> |> |> |> [Begin crosspost to Win98 General newsgroup]
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> Thread history:
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |
|> |> |>
|> |> |
|> |>
|> |
|>
|
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/browse_frm/thread/d5c99b0ae721f42f/455c688cdb10b216
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> The 0x801901F4 error(s) means that the update(s) failed to
|> |> |> |> download AND install.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> IIRC only older versions of Zone Alarm firewall will work
|> |> |> |> properly in Win98, Jim. If you're NOT running Zone Alarm
|> |> |> |> v6.1.744.1, uninstall it now. [If you're connecting to the
|> |> |> |> DSL modem via a router, the router alone should provide
|> |> |> |> adequate protection for the Win98 box. Others here are sure
|> |> |> |> to disagree with me but so be it.]
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> Moving on...
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> [You will want to print or copy/paste the following
|> |> |> |> instructions into Notepad for offline reference.]
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> 1. AFAIK, no currently supported version of SpySweeper's
|> |> |> |> supported in Win98. Assuming you've not purchased SpySweeper
|> |> |> |> (or if you don't get if "free" from your ISP or MSN), please
|> |> |> |> (a) disable all SpySweeper Guards (protections) then (b)
|> |> |> |> uninstall it.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> 2. Very briefly & temporarily, disable ZA firewall (if still
|> |> |> |> installed) *and* all SpySweeper Guards (if still installed)
|> |> |> |> *and* Avast *and* physically disconnect the machine from the
|> |> |> |> internet. Don't reconnect until Step #4 below!
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> 3a. Now overinstall IE6 SP1 per my previous reply to this
|> |> |> |> thread:
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |
|> |> |>
|> |> |
|> |>
|> |
|>
|
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/msg/c2441e1a72a2d39b
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> 3b. After rebooting, repeat Step #2 above!!
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> 4. Now reconnect to the internet and go to Windows Update
|> |> |> |> and try again. Follow all prompts.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> NB: Don't do ANYTHING else online until Avast has been
|> |> |> |> re-enabled and (if you don't connect via a router) until ZA
|> |> |> |> (v6.1.744.1 or earlier) has been re-enabled!!
|> |> |> |> --
|> |> |> |> ~PA Bear
|> |> |>
|> |> |> --
|> |> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> |> PCR
|> |> |>
|> |>
|> |> --
|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> PCR
|> |>
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|>

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

PA Bear [MS MVP]

October 5th 08, 09:39 PM

[Thank you, Jim!]

Jim wrote:
> Ok, I just went to Add\Remove and removed q823559 and then went to
> windowsupdate and reinstalled and worked as far as QFEcheck and FF check
> and
> windowsupdate Welcome scan [all worked] this time. I think what was wrong
> is
> that this was in the Add\Remove during the reinstall of ie6 and just
> stayed
> that way on the continuious attempt to reinstall the update.
>
> The only problem I am having now is that the streaming video is not
> displaying at Google News and probably elsewhere.
>
> "PCR" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Jim wrote:
>>> Yes, I think I see the problem there. The QFEcheck states Invalid. It
>>> is seeing version difference. Should be,
>>> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
>>> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
>>> QFE seeing version
>>> 2000.11.9.0 for both files.
>>
>> Interesting. How could everything look so good in your Windows Update
>> log & in your registry-- & YET you have older files!?! But that sounds
>> like it could be the problem all right. I'm still trying to think,
>> but...
>>
>> (1) What folder are Html32.cnv & Msconv97.dll in?
>> Normally, they'd be in...
>> C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\TEXTCONV
>>
>> (2) Are they located anywhere else too;
>> if so, what versions are they?
>>
>> (3) Do you have 823559UN.INF, & where is it?
>> Should be in C:\WINDOWS\INF\QFE\W98.SE.
>> Here is mine, just for comparitive purposes...
>>
>> ; 823559UN.INF
>> ; This is the Setup information file to uninstall the Windows 98 Q823559
>> Update:
>>
>> [version]
>> AdvancedINF = 2.5, %AdvPackWarn%
>> signature=$CHICAGO$
>>
>> [DefaultInstall]
>> CustomDestination = app_chk
>> DelFiles=WinUPD.delFiles,WinUPD.delINF,WinUpd.delO ptions
>> delreg=WinUPD.delreg
>> RenFiles=WinUPD.renFiles
>> DelDirs=WinUPD.deldir
>>
>> [DestinationDirs]
>> WinUPD.delFiles = 49500,%sharedtools%
>> WinUPD.renFiles = 49500,%sharedtools%
>> WinUPD.delINF = 17,QFE\%SPKey%
>> WinUpd.delOptions = 10,options\cabs
>>
>> ;check for install location
>> [app_chk]
>> 49500 = conv_loc_chk,5
>>
>> [conv_loc_chk]
>> HKLM,"%conv_loc%",CommonFilesDir,,"1"
>> "","","","This update is not designed for your version of Windows.
>> Press OK to exit.",""
>>
>> [WinUPD.delFiles]
>> html32.cnv
>> msconv97.dll
>>
>> [WinUPD.renFiles]
>> html32.cnv,html32.qfe
>> msconv97.dll,msconv97.qfe
>>
>> [WinUPD.delINF]
>> 823559UN.INF
>>
>> [WinUpd.delOptions]
>> html32.cnv
>> msconv97.dll
>>
>> [WinUPD.deldir]
>> %17%\QFE\%SPKey%
>>
>> [WinUPD.delreg]
>> HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\%GUID%"
>> HKLM,%UpdateKey%\%SPKey%\%LocaleID%%UpdID%\
>> HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstal l\%UpdID%"
>>
>> [Strings]
>> ;Non-localizable
>> LANG = "EN"
>> LocaleID = "UPD"
>> Guid= "{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}"
>> version = "4.10.0.2222"
>> UpdID = "Q823559"
>> UpdateKey= "Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Up dates"
>> SPKey= "W98.SE"
>> conv_loc = "Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion"
>> sharedtools= "Micros~1\TextConv"
>>
>> ;Localizable strings
>> UpdName="Windows 98 Q823559 Patch"
>> AdvPackWarn="You need a newer version of advpack.dll."
>> SrcDiskName="Q823559 Patch"
>>
>>
>>> "PCR" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Jim wrote:
>>>>> That program, critical update, is still stating that the update is
>>>>> not installed.
>>>>
>>>> I see elsewhere you said you have all the registry keys I posted,
>>>> which must include the one that displays the file versions. What
>>>> about those file versions as they appear in the files themselves in
>>>> Explorer properties...?...
>>>>
>>>> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
>>>> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
>>>>
>>>> If those match in the files themselves, for sure you got the update,
>>>> & all we really want is for Windows Update to stop offering it. And
>>>> are the files both located in...?...
>>>>
>>>> C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\TEXTCONV
>>>>
>>>> You may also have a copy of each in C:\Windows\Options\Cabs (or
>>>> equivalent) as I do. But they should be nowhere else-- are they? If
>>>> so, what versions?
>>>>
>>>>> I think you [PCR] may have exposed why this is happening.
>>>>> The regedit key:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup\Updat
>>>> es\W
>>>>> 98.SE\UPDQ823559
>>>>>
>>>>> This should be in Win98 updates not Win98 SE updates. The Citical
>>>>> Update program most likely reads the msinfo32 log first. It does
>>>>> not see this in Win98 updates and ignores it in Win98 SE updates.
>>>>> Understand?
>>>>
>>>> That can't be the problem because Q823559 isn't constantly offered to
>>>> me. They've never been offered more than once to me. What do you see
>>>> for those files in...?...
>>>>
>>>> "START button, Run, QFECheck, W98.SE, UPDQ823559"
>>>>
>>>> Is it showing the correct versions? Too bad the fact you have that
>>>> "IsInstalled" key set right isn't the end of this! But Terhune once
>>>> said there's no telling what Windows Update is looking for in these
>>>> matters!
>>>>
>>>>> "PCR" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Jim wrote:
>>>>>>> OK, next I tried the reinstall of ie6setup with [radio button]
>>>>>>> reinstall all components (which is not a minimal) and went thru
>>>>>>> the whole approach again. Here I had 3 critical updates to
>>>>>>> install with a reboot at the end. This is the log of win update
>>>>>>> on this machine which appears to be successful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...snip...
>>>>>>> Download destination root folder is: c:\WUTemp 2008-10-03
>>>>>>> 17:31:18 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/IE6.0sp1-KB837009-x86-ENU_416d4903c2a4703fa0510aa71f51bef.exe
>>>>>>> 2008-10-03 17:31:18 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Local
>>>>>>> path
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q837009_OE6_SP1_W98WinME_O nly\IE6.0sp1-KB837009-
>>>>>> x86-
>>>>>>> ENU.exe 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE
>>>>>>> Downloaded file
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/823559USA8_0e714506b380e4be11ff07b31da9da9.EXE
>>>>>>> 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE Local
>>>>>>> path c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE
>>>>>>> 2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE
>>>>>>> Downloaded file
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/q313829_5EEDD33FA704078BE5873EFA6E8C3D62B82C2EFF.e xe
>>>>>>> 2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE Local
>>>>>>> path c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q313829_W98_5285\q313829.e xe
>>>>>>> 2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE See
>>>>>>> iuhist.xml for details: Download finished 2008-10-03 17:31:36
>>>>>>> 21:31:36 Success ...snip... I will check at Windows Update
>>>>>>> scan to see if this still triggers the update.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, looks like you got 3 of them that time. I hope that solves
>>>>>> it & you will not be offered any of them (especially 823559)
>>>>>> again. But, if so, here are a few things to check...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (1) Try to uninstall it FIRST, at "Control Panel, Add/Remove
>>>>>> Programs, Install/Uninstall tab". It looks like this: "Windows 98
>>>>>> Q823559 Update". Now, go to Windows Update, and see whether it
>>>>>> will come in well-- & just once.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (2) What are your versions of these files...?...
>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;823559
>>>>>> ...Quote.. Win98 files...
>>>>>> Date Time Version Size File
>>>>>> name
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> --- 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
>>>>>> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll ...End
>>>>>> quote.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> START button, Find, F/F, "Html32.cnv, Msconv97.dll".
>>>>>> (No quotes, yes comma). R-Clk, & select Properties.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suppose you DID get the update, if your files look like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about this Registry key...?...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed
>>>>>> Components\{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}]
>>>>>> @="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
>>>>>> "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001
>>>>>> "Locale"="EN"
>>>>>> "Version"="4.10.0.2222"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To see it...
>>>>>> (a) "START button, Run, Regedit"
>>>>>> (b) Click plus signs, beginning at "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE",
>>>>>> & ending with....................... "Installed Components".
>>>>>> (c) Click "{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}" in the left
>>>>>> pane. (d) Look in the right pane. What do you see?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And this one, which puts it into the left pane at...
>>>>>> "START button, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Software
>>>>>> Updates, W98.SE"...?...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup\Upda
>>>>>> tes\W98.SE\UPDQ823559]
>>>>>> @="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> "C:\\PROGRA~1\\COMMON~1\\Micros~1\\TextConv\\html32 .cnv"="2003.1100.5426
>>>>>> .0"
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> "C:\\PROGRA~1\\COMMON~1\\Micros~1\\TextConv\\msconv 97.dll"="2003.1100.54
>>>>>> 26.0"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally, there is this Registry key, which puts it in
>>>>>> Add/Remove...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Uninstall\
>>>>>> Q823559]
>>>>>> @=""
>>>>>> "DisplayName"="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
>>>>>> "UninstallString"="RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection
>>>>>> C:\\WINDOWS\\INF\\QFE\\W98.SE\\823559UN.INF"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> [Begin crosspost to Win98 General newsgroup]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thread history:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/browse_frm/thread/d5c99b0ae721f42f/455c688cdb10b216
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The 0x801901F4 error(s) means that the update(s) failed to
>>>>>>>> download AND install.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IIRC only older versions of Zone Alarm firewall will work
>>>>>>>> properly in Win98, Jim. If you're NOT running Zone Alarm
>>>>>>>> v6.1.744.1, uninstall it now. [If you're connecting to the
>>>>>>>> DSL modem via a router, the router alone should provide
>>>>>>>> adequate protection for the Win98 box. Others here are sure
>>>>>>>> to disagree with me but so be it.]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Moving on...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [You will want to print or copy/paste the following
>>>>>>>> instructions into Notepad for offline reference.]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. AFAIK, no currently supported version of SpySweeper's
>>>>>>>> supported in Win98. Assuming you've not purchased SpySweeper
>>>>>>>> (or if you don't get if "free" from your ISP or MSN), please
>>>>>>>> (a) disable all SpySweeper Guards (protections) then (b)
>>>>>>>> uninstall it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. Very briefly & temporarily, disable ZA firewall (if still
>>>>>>>> installed) *and* all SpySweeper Guards (if still installed)
>>>>>>>> *and* Avast *and* physically disconnect the machine from the
>>>>>>>> internet. Don't reconnect until Step #4 below!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3a. Now overinstall IE6 SP1 per my previous reply to this
>>>>>>>> thread:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/msg/c2441e1a72a2d39b
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3b. After rebooting, repeat Step #2 above!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 4. Now reconnect to the internet and go to Windows Update and
>>>>>>>> try again. Follow all prompts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NB: Don't do ANYTHING else online until Avast has been
>>>>>>>> re-enabled and (if you don't connect via a router) until ZA
>>>>>>>> (v6.1.744.1 or earlier) has been re-enabled!!
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> ~PA Bear
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Thanks or Good Luck,
>>>>>> There may be humor in this post, and,
>>>>>> Naturally, you will not sue,
>>>>>> Should things get worse after this,
>>>>>> PCR
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks or Good Luck,
>>>> There may be humor in this post, and,
>>>> Naturally, you will not sue,
>>>> Should things get worse after this,
>>>> PCR
>>>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks or Good Luck,
>> There may be humor in this post, and,
>> Naturally, you will not sue,
>> Should things get worse after this,
>> PCR
>>

PA Bear [MS MVP]

October 5th 08, 09:40 PM

PCR wrote:
> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>> NB: Please delete the crosspost to Windows Update newsgroup in further
>> replies to this thread. Thank you.
>
> Why? There's got to be a chance I actually will find the solution! And
> aren't you due for another hibernation? :-).

Jim's machine is now fully patched. He has no more updates to install.
There's no solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

Jim

October 5th 08, 09:49 PM

I think the problem with q823559 is solved. I will know for sure as the week
goes on and the Critical Update notification cycles. Thank-you.
"PCR" > wrote in message
...
> Jim wrote:
> | Ok, I just went to Add\Remove and removed q823559 and then went to
> | windowsupdate and reinstalled and worked as far as QFEcheck and FF
> | check and windowsupdate Welcome scan [all worked] this time. I think
> | what was wrong is that this was in the Add\Remove during the
> | reinstall of ie6 and just stayed that way on the continuious attempt
> | to reinstall the update.
>
> Are you saying Windows Update has ceased to offer it anymore & you do
> have the right file versions? Wow! I am pleased! Go to that other NG PA
> Bear has banned me from & tell them!
>
> | The only problem I am having now is that the streaming video is not
> | displaying at Google News and probably elsewhere.
>
> Best start a new thread for that. Post a specific site that has the
> problem for others to check. It could be something screwy on their end.
>
> | "PCR" > wrote in message
> | ...
> |> Jim wrote:
> |> | Yes, I think I see the problem there. The QFEcheck states Invalid.
> |> | It is seeing version difference. Should be,
> |> | 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
> |> | 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
> |> | QFE seeing version
> |> | 2000.11.9.0 for both files.
> |>
> |> Interesting. How could everything look so good in your Windows Update
> |> log & in your registry-- & YET you have older files!?! But that
> |> sounds like it could be the problem all right. I'm still trying to
> |> think, but...
> |>
> |> (1) What folder are Html32.cnv & Msconv97.dll in?
> |> Normally, they'd be in...
> |> C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\TEXTCONV
> |>
> |> (2) Are they located anywhere else too;
> |> if so, what versions are they?
> |>
> |> (3) Do you have 823559UN.INF, & where is it?
> |> Should be in C:\WINDOWS\INF\QFE\W98.SE.
> |> Here is mine, just for comparitive purposes...
> |>
> |> ; 823559UN.INF
> |> ; This is the Setup information file to uninstall the Windows 98
> |> Q823559 Update:
> |>
> |> [version]
> |> AdvancedINF = 2.5, %AdvPackWarn%
> |> signature=$CHICAGO$
> |>
> |> [DefaultInstall]
> |> CustomDestination = app_chk
> |> DelFiles=WinUPD.delFiles,WinUPD.delINF,WinUpd.delO ptions
> |> delreg=WinUPD.delreg
> |> RenFiles=WinUPD.renFiles
> |> DelDirs=WinUPD.deldir
> |>
> |> [DestinationDirs]
> |> WinUPD.delFiles = 49500,%sharedtools%
> |> WinUPD.renFiles = 49500,%sharedtools%
> |> WinUPD.delINF = 17,QFE\%SPKey%
> |> WinUpd.delOptions = 10,options\cabs
> |>
> |> ;check for install location
> |> [app_chk]
> |> 49500 = conv_loc_chk,5
> |>
> |> [conv_loc_chk]
> |> HKLM,"%conv_loc%",CommonFilesDir,,"1"
> |> "","","","This update is not designed for your version of Windows.
> |> Press OK to exit.",""
> |>
> |> [WinUPD.delFiles]
> |> html32.cnv
> |> msconv97.dll
> |>
> |> [WinUPD.renFiles]
> |> html32.cnv,html32.qfe
> |> msconv97.dll,msconv97.qfe
> |>
> |> [WinUPD.delINF]
> |> 823559UN.INF
> |>
> |> [WinUpd.delOptions]
> |> html32.cnv
> |> msconv97.dll
> |>
> |> [WinUPD.deldir]
> |> %17%\QFE\%SPKey%
> |>
> |> [WinUPD.delreg]
> |> HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\%GUID%"
> |> HKLM,%UpdateKey%\%SPKey%\%LocaleID%%UpdID%\
> |> HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstal l\%UpdID%"
> |>
> |> [Strings]
> |> ;Non-localizable
> |> LANG = "EN"
> |> LocaleID = "UPD"
> |> Guid= "{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}"
> |> version = "4.10.0.2222"
> |> UpdID = "Q823559"
> |> UpdateKey= "Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Up dates"
> |> SPKey= "W98.SE"
> |> conv_loc = "Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion"
> |> sharedtools= "Micros~1\TextConv"
> |>
> |> ;Localizable strings
> |> UpdName="Windows 98 Q823559 Patch"
> |> AdvPackWarn="You need a newer version of advpack.dll."
> |> SrcDiskName="Q823559 Patch"
> |>
> |>
> |> | "PCR" > wrote in message
> |> | ...
> |> |> Jim wrote:
> |> |> | That program, critical update, is still stating that the update
> |> |> | is not installed.
> |> |>
> |> |> I see elsewhere you said you have all the registry keys I posted,
> |> |> which must include the one that displays the file versions. What
> |> |> about those file versions as they appear in the files themselves
> |> |> in Explorer properties...?...
> |> |>
> |> |> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
> |> |> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
> |> |>
> |> |> If those match in the files themselves, for sure you got the
> |> |> update, & all we really want is for Windows Update to stop
> |> |> offering it. And are the files both located in...?...
> |> |>
> |> |> C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\TEXTCONV
> |> |>
> |> |> You may also have a copy of each in C:\Windows\Options\Cabs (or
> |> |> equivalent) as I do. But they should be nowhere else-- are they?
> |> |> If so, what versions?
> |> |>
> |> |> | I think you [PCR] may have exposed why this is happening.
> |> |> | The regedit key:
> |> |> |
> |> |> |
> |> |>
> |>
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup\Updat
> |> |> es\W
> |> |> | 98.SE\UPDQ823559
> |> |> |
> |> |> | This should be in Win98 updates not Win98 SE updates. The
> |> |> | Citical Update program most likely reads the msinfo32 log
> |> |> | first. It does not see this in Win98 updates and ignores it in
> |> |> | Win98 SE updates. Understand?
> |> |>
> |> |> That can't be the problem because Q823559 isn't constantly
> |> |> offered to me. They've never been offered more than once to me.
> |> |> What do you see for those files in...?...
> |> |>
> |> |> "START button, Run, QFECheck, W98.SE, UPDQ823559"
> |> |>
> |> |> Is it showing the correct versions? Too bad the fact you have that
> |> |> "IsInstalled" key set right isn't the end of this! But Terhune
> |> |> once said there's no telling what Windows Update is looking for
> |> |> in these matters!
> |> |>
> |> |> | "PCR" > wrote in message
> |> |> | ...
> |> |> |> Jim wrote:
> |> |> |> | OK, next I tried the reinstall of ie6setup with [radio
> |> |> |> | button] reinstall all components (which is not a minimal)
> |> |> |> | and went thru the whole approach again. Here I had 3
> |> |> |> | critical updates to install with a reboot at the end. This
> |> |> |> | is the log of win update on this machine which appears to be
> |> |> |> | successful.
> |> |> |> |
> |> |> |> ...snip...
> |> |> |> | Download destination root folder is: c:\WUTemp 2008-10-03
> |> |> |> | 17:31:18 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
> |> |> |> |
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |
> |> |>
> |> |
> |>
> |
>
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/IE6.0sp1-KB837009-x86-ENU_416d4903c2a4703fa0510aa71f51bef.exe
> |> |> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:18 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE
> |> |> |> | Local path
> |> |> |> |
> |> |> |>
> |> |>
> |>
> c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q837009_OE6_SP1_W98WinME_O nly\IE6.0sp1-KB837009-
> |> |> |> x86-
> |> |> |> | ENU.exe 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE
> |> |> |> | Downloaded file
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> |
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |
> |> |>
> |> |
> |>
> |
>
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/823559USA8_0e714506b380e4be11ff07b31da9da9.EXE
> |> |> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE
> |> |> |> | Local path c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE
> |> |> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE
> |> |> |> | Downloaded file
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> |
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |
> |> |>
> |> |
> |>
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http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/q313829_5EEDD33FA704078BE5873EFA6E8C3D62B82C2EFF.e xe
> |> |> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE
> |> |> |> | Local path
> |> |> |> | c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q313829_W98_5285\q313829.e xe
> |> |> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE See
> |> |> |> | iuhist.xml for details: Download finished 2008-10-03
> |> |> |> | 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success ...snip... I will check at
> |> |> |> | Windows Update scan to see if this still triggers the
> |> |> |> | update.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> Yep, looks like you got 3 of them that time. I hope that solves
> |> |> |> it & you will not be offered any of them (especially 823559)
> |> |> |> again. But, if so, here are a few things to check...
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (1) Try to uninstall it FIRST, at "Control Panel, Add/Remove
> |> |> |> Programs, Install/Uninstall tab". It looks like this: "Windows
> |> |> |> 98 Q823559 Update". Now, go to Windows Update, and see whether
> |> |> |> it will come in well-- & just once.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (2) What are your versions of these files...?...
> |> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;823559
> |> |> |> ...Quote.. Win98 files...
> |> |> |> Date Time Version Size File
> |> |> |> name
> |> |>
> |>
> |> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> |> |> |> --- 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
> |> |> |> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
> |> |> |> ...End quote.....
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> START button, Find, F/F, "Html32.cnv, Msconv97.dll".
> |> |> |> (No quotes, yes comma). R-Clk, & select Properties.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> I suppose you DID get the update, if your files look like that.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> What about this Registry key...?...
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed
> |> |> |> Components\{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}]
> |> |> |> @="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
> |> |> |> "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001
> |> |> |> "Locale"="EN"
> |> |> |> "Version"="4.10.0.2222"
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> To see it...
> |> |> |> (a) "START button, Run, Regedit"
> |> |> |> (b) Click plus signs, beginning at "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE",
> |> |> |> & ending with....................... "Installed
> |> |> |> Components". (c) Click
> |> |> |> "{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}" in the left pane. (d)
> |> |> |> Look in the right pane. What do you see?
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> And this one, which puts it into the left pane at...
> |> |> |> "START button, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Software
> |> |> |> Updates, W98.SE"...?...
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |>
> |> |>
> |>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup\Upda
> |> |> |> tes\W98.SE\UPDQ823559]
> |> |> |> @="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
> |> |> |>
> |> |>
> |>
> "C:\\PROGRA~1\\COMMON~1\\Micros~1\\TextConv\\html32 .cnv"="2003.1100.5426
> |> |> |> .0"
> |> |> |>
> |> |>
> |>
> "C:\\PROGRA~1\\COMMON~1\\Micros~1\\TextConv\\msconv 97.dll"="2003.1100.54
> |> |> |> 26.0"
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> Finally, there is this Registry key, which puts it in
> |> |> |> Add/Remove...
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |>
> |> |>
> |>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Uninstall\
> |> |> |> Q823559]
> |> |> |> @=""
> |> |> |> "DisplayName"="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
> |> |> |> "UninstallString"="RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection
> |> |> |> C:\\WINDOWS\\INF\\QFE\\W98.SE\\823559UN.INF"
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> | "PA Bear [MS MVP]" > wrote in message
> |> |> |> | ...
> |> |> |> |> [Begin crosspost to Win98 General newsgroup]
> |> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> |> Thread history:
> |> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> |
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |
> |> |>
> |> |
> |>
> |
>
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/browse_frm/thread/d5c99b0ae721f42f/455c688cdb10b216
> |> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> |> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> |> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> |> The 0x801901F4 error(s) means that the update(s) failed to
> |> |> |> |> download AND install.
> |> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> |> IIRC only older versions of Zone Alarm firewall will work
> |> |> |> |> properly in Win98, Jim. If you're NOT running Zone Alarm
> |> |> |> |> v6.1.744.1, uninstall it now. [If you're connecting to the
> |> |> |> |> DSL modem via a router, the router alone should provide
> |> |> |> |> adequate protection for the Win98 box. Others here are sure
> |> |> |> |> to disagree with me but so be it.]
> |> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> |> Moving on...
> |> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> |> [You will want to print or copy/paste the following
> |> |> |> |> instructions into Notepad for offline reference.]
> |> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> |> 1. AFAIK, no currently supported version of SpySweeper's
> |> |> |> |> supported in Win98. Assuming you've not purchased SpySweeper
> |> |> |> |> (or if you don't get if "free" from your ISP or MSN), please
> |> |> |> |> (a) disable all SpySweeper Guards (protections) then (b)
> |> |> |> |> uninstall it.
> |> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> |> 2. Very briefly & temporarily, disable ZA firewall (if still
> |> |> |> |> installed) *and* all SpySweeper Guards (if still installed)
> |> |> |> |> *and* Avast *and* physically disconnect the machine from the
> |> |> |> |> internet. Don't reconnect until Step #4 below!
> |> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> |> 3a. Now overinstall IE6 SP1 per my previous reply to this
> |> |> |> |> thread:
> |> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> |
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |
> |> |>
> |> |
> |>
> |
>
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/msg/c2441e1a72a2d39b
> |> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> |> 3b. After rebooting, repeat Step #2 above!!
> |> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> |> 4. Now reconnect to the internet and go to Windows Update
> |> |> |> |> and try again. Follow all prompts.
> |> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> |> NB: Don't do ANYTHING else online until Avast has been
> |> |> |> |> re-enabled and (if you don't connect via a router) until ZA
> |> |> |> |> (v6.1.744.1 or earlier) has been re-enabled!!
> |> |> |> |> --
> |> |> |> |> ~PA Bear
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> --
> |> |> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> |> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> |> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> |> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> |> |> PCR
> |> |> |>
> |> |>
> |> |> --
> |> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> |> PCR
> |> |>
> |>
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
>
>
>

PCR

October 5th 08, 10:03 PM

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
| PCR wrote:
|> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
|>> NB: Please delete the crosspost to Windows Update newsgroup in
|>> further replies to this thread. Thank you.
|>
|> Why? There's got to be a chance I actually will find the solution!
|> And aren't you due for another hibernation? :-).
|
| Jim's machine is now fully patched. He has no more updates to
| install. There's no solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

I understood your point & might have eventually agreed. HOWEVER, it
turned out his file versions were wrong in QFECheck for 823559, despite
his Windows Update.log was reporting that update to be a success. Now,
all seems to be well, though, that he uninstalled the update FIRST in
Add/Remove before taking it one final time. He said...!...

"Ok, I just went to Add\Remove and removed q823559 and then went to
windowsupdate and reinstalled and worked as far as QFEcheck and FF check
and windowsupdate Welcome scan [all worked] this time. I think what was
wrong is that this was in the Add\Remove during the reinstall of ie6 and
just stayed that way on the continuious attempt to reinstall the
update."

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

PCR

October 5th 08, 10:10 PM

Jim wrote:
| I think the problem with q823559 is solved. I will know for sure as
| the week goes on and the Critical Update notification cycles.
| Thank-you.

You are welcome. Sounds like it is solved, if the proper versions are
showing. Why not just "START button, Windows Update" to see for sure, or
click...?...

http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp

"PCR" > wrote in message
| ...
|> Jim wrote:
|> | Ok, I just went to Add\Remove and removed q823559 and then went to
|> | windowsupdate and reinstalled and worked as far as QFEcheck and FF
|> | check and windowsupdate Welcome scan [all worked] this time. I
|> | think what was wrong is that this was in the Add\Remove during the
|> | reinstall of ie6 and just stayed that way on the continuious
|> | attempt to reinstall the update.
|>
|> Are you saying Windows Update has ceased to offer it anymore & you do
|> have the right file versions? Wow! I am pleased! Go to that other NG
|> PA Bear has banned me from & tell them!
|>
|> | The only problem I am having now is that the streaming video is not
|> | displaying at Google News and probably elsewhere.
|>
|> Best start a new thread for that. Post a specific site that has the
|> problem for others to check. It could be something screwy on their
|> end.
|>
|> | "PCR" > wrote in message
|> | ...
|> |> Jim wrote:
|> |> | Yes, I think I see the problem there. The QFEcheck states
|> |> | Invalid. It is seeing version difference. Should be,
|> |> | 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
|> |> | 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
|> |> | QFE seeing version
|> |> | 2000.11.9.0 for both files.
|> |>
|> |> Interesting. How could everything look so good in your Windows
|> |> Update log & in your registry-- & YET you have older files!?! But
|> |> that sounds like it could be the problem all right. I'm still
|> |> trying to think, but...
|> |>
|> |> (1) What folder are Html32.cnv & Msconv97.dll in?
|> |> Normally, they'd be in...
|> |> C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\TEXTCONV
|> |>
|> |> (2) Are they located anywhere else too;
|> |> if so, what versions are they?
|> |>
|> |> (3) Do you have 823559UN.INF, & where is it?
|> |> Should be in C:\WINDOWS\INF\QFE\W98.SE.
|> |> Here is mine, just for comparitive purposes...
|> |>
|> |> ; 823559UN.INF
|> |> ; This is the Setup information file to uninstall the Windows 98
|> |> Q823559 Update:
|> |>
|> |> [version]
|> |> AdvancedINF = 2.5, %AdvPackWarn%
|> |> signature=$CHICAGO$
|> |>
|> |> [DefaultInstall]
|> |> CustomDestination = app_chk
|> |> DelFiles=WinUPD.delFiles,WinUPD.delINF,WinUpd.delO ptions
|> |> delreg=WinUPD.delreg
|> |> RenFiles=WinUPD.renFiles
|> |> DelDirs=WinUPD.deldir
|> |>
|> |> [DestinationDirs]
|> |> WinUPD.delFiles = 49500,%sharedtools%
|> |> WinUPD.renFiles = 49500,%sharedtools%
|> |> WinUPD.delINF = 17,QFE\%SPKey%
|> |> WinUpd.delOptions = 10,options\cabs
|> |>
|> |> ;check for install location
|> |> [app_chk]
|> |> 49500 = conv_loc_chk,5
|> |>
|> |> [conv_loc_chk]
|> |> HKLM,"%conv_loc%",CommonFilesDir,,"1"
|> |> "","","","This update is not designed for your version of Windows.
|> |> Press OK to exit.",""
|> |>
|> |> [WinUPD.delFiles]
|> |> html32.cnv
|> |> msconv97.dll
|> |>
|> |> [WinUPD.renFiles]
|> |> html32.cnv,html32.qfe
|> |> msconv97.dll,msconv97.qfe
|> |>
|> |> [WinUPD.delINF]
|> |> 823559UN.INF
|> |>
|> |> [WinUpd.delOptions]
|> |> html32.cnv
|> |> msconv97.dll
|> |>
|> |> [WinUPD.deldir]
|> |> %17%\QFE\%SPKey%
|> |>
|> |> [WinUPD.delreg]
|> |> HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\%GUID%"
|> |> HKLM,%UpdateKey%\%SPKey%\%LocaleID%%UpdID%\
|> |> HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstal l\%UpdID%"
|> |>
|> |> [Strings]
|> |> ;Non-localizable
|> |> LANG = "EN"
|> |> LocaleID = "UPD"
|> |> Guid= "{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}"
|> |> version = "4.10.0.2222"
|> |> UpdID = "Q823559"
|> |> UpdateKey=
|> |> "Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Up dates" SPKey=
|> |> "W98.SE"
|> |> conv_loc = "Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion"
|> |> sharedtools= "Micros~1\TextConv"
|> |>
|> |> ;Localizable strings
|> |> UpdName="Windows 98 Q823559 Patch"
|> |> AdvPackWarn="You need a newer version of advpack.dll."
|> |> SrcDiskName="Q823559 Patch"
|> |>
|> |>
|> |> | "PCR" > wrote in message
|> |> | ...
|> |> |> Jim wrote:
|> |> |> | That program, critical update, is still stating that the
|> |> |> | update is not installed.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> I see elsewhere you said you have all the registry keys I
|> |> |> posted, which must include the one that displays the file
|> |> |> versions. What about those file versions as they appear in the
|> |> |> files themselves in Explorer properties...?...
|> |> |>
|> |> |> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
|> |> |> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
|> |> |>
|> |> |> If those match in the files themselves, for sure you got the
|> |> |> update, & all we really want is for Windows Update to stop
|> |> |> offering it. And are the files both located in...?...
|> |> |>
|> |> |> C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\TEXTCONV
|> |> |>
|> |> |> You may also have a copy of each in C:\Windows\Options\Cabs (or
|> |> |> equivalent) as I do. But they should be nowhere else-- are
|> |> |> they? If so, what versions?
|> |> |>
|> |> |> | I think you [PCR] may have exposed why this is happening.
|> |> |> | The regedit key:
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> |
|> |> |>
|> |>
|>
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup\Updat
|> |> |> es\W
|> |> |> | 98.SE\UPDQ823559
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> | This should be in Win98 updates not Win98 SE updates. The
|> |> |> | Citical Update program most likely reads the msinfo32 log
|> |> |> | first. It does not see this in Win98 updates and ignores it
|> |> |> | in Win98 SE updates. Understand?
|> |> |>
|> |> |> That can't be the problem because Q823559 isn't constantly
|> |> |> offered to me. They've never been offered more than once to me.
|> |> |> What do you see for those files in...?...
|> |> |>
|> |> |> "START button, Run, QFECheck, W98.SE, UPDQ823559"
|> |> |>
|> |> |> Is it showing the correct versions? Too bad the fact you have
|> |> |> that "IsInstalled" key set right isn't the end of this! But
|> |> |> Terhune once said there's no telling what Windows Update is
|> |> |> looking for in these matters!
|> |> |>
|> |> |> | "PCR" > wrote in message
|> |> |> | ...
|> |> |> |> Jim wrote:
|> |> |> |> | OK, next I tried the reinstall of ie6setup with [radio
|> |> |> |> | button] reinstall all components (which is not a minimal)
|> |> |> |> | and went thru the whole approach again. Here I had 3
|> |> |> |> | critical updates to install with a reboot at the end. This
|> |> |> |> | is the log of win update on this machine which appears to
|> |> |> |> | be successful.
|> |> |> |> |
|> |> |> |> ...snip...
|> |> |> |> | Download destination root folder is: c:\WUTemp 2008-10-03
|> |> |> |> | 17:31:18 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE Downloaded
|> |> |> |> | file
|> |> |> |> |
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |
|> |> |>
|> |> |
|> |>
|> |
|>
|
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/IE6.0sp1-KB837009-x86-ENU_416d4903c2a4703fa0510aa71f51bef.exe
|> |> |> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:18 21:31:18 Success IUENGINE
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|> |> |> |> |
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |>
|> |>
|>
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|> |> |> |> x86-
|> |> |> |> | ENU.exe 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE
|> |> |> |> | Downloaded file
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> |
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |
|> |> |>
|> |> |
|> |>
|> |
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|
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|> |> |> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:23 21:31:23 Success IUENGINE
|> |> |> |> | Local path
|> |> |> |> | c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823559_98\823559USA8.EXE
|> |> |> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE
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|> |> |> |>
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|> |> |> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:35 21:31:35 Success IUENGINE
|> |> |> |> | Local path
|> |> |> |> | c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q313829_W98_5285\q313829.e xe
|> |> |> |> | 2008-10-03 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success IUENGINE
|> |> |> |> | See iuhist.xml for details: Download finished 2008-10-03
|> |> |> |> | 17:31:36 21:31:36 Success ...snip... I will check at
|> |> |> |> | Windows Update scan to see if this still triggers the
|> |> |> |> | update.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> Yep, looks like you got 3 of them that time. I hope that
|> |> |> |> solves it & you will not be offered any of them (especially
|> |> |> |> 823559) again. But, if so, here are a few things to check...
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (1) Try to uninstall it FIRST, at "Control Panel, Add/Remove
|> |> |> |> Programs, Install/Uninstall tab". It looks like this:
|> |> |> |> "Windows 98 Q823559 Update". Now, go to Windows Update, and
|> |> |> |> see whether it will come in well-- & just once.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (2) What are your versions of these files...?...
|> |> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;823559
|> |> |> |> ...Quote.. Win98 files...
|> |> |> |> Date Time Version Size
|> |> |> |> File name
|> |> |>
|> |>
|>
|> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
|> |> |> |> --- 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 311,864 Html32.cnv
|> |> |> |> 27-Jun-2003 02:19 2003.1100.5426 116,288 Msconv97.dll
|> |> |> |> ...End quote.....
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> START button, Find, F/F, "Html32.cnv, Msconv97.dll".
|> |> |> |> (No quotes, yes comma). R-Clk, & select Properties.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> I suppose you DID get the update, if your files look like
|> |> |> |> that.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> What about this Registry key...?...
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Active
|> |> |> |> Setup\Installed
|> |> |> |> Components\{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}]
|> |> |> |> @="Windows 98 Q823559 Update" "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001
|> |> |> |> "Locale"="EN"
|> |> |> |> "Version"="4.10.0.2222"
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> To see it...
|> |> |> |> (a) "START button, Run, Regedit"
|> |> |> |> (b) Click plus signs, beginning at "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE",
|> |> |> |> & ending with....................... "Installed
|> |> |> |> Components". (c) Click
|> |> |> |> "{2806b4d1-cadf-4568-99df-1c8836a6b4bc}" in the left pane.
|> |> |> |> (d) Look in the right pane. What do you see?
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> And this one, which puts it into the left pane at...
|> |> |> |> "START button, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Software
|> |> |> |> Updates, W98.SE"...?...
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |>
|> |>
|>
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup\Upda
|> |> |> |> tes\W98.SE\UPDQ823559]
|> |> |> |> @="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |>
|> |>
|>
"C:\\PROGRA~1\\COMMON~1\\Micros~1\\TextConv\\html32 .cnv"="2003.1100.5426
|> |> |> |> .0"
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |>
|> |>
|>
"C:\\PROGRA~1\\COMMON~1\\Micros~1\\TextConv\\msconv 97.dll"="2003.1100.54
|> |> |> |> 26.0"
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> Finally, there is this Registry key, which puts it in
|> |> |> |> Add/Remove...
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |>
|> |>
|>
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Uninstall\
|> |> |> |> Q823559]
|> |> |> |> @=""
|> |> |> |> "DisplayName"="Windows 98 Q823559 Update"
|> |> |> |> "UninstallString"="RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection
|> |> |> |> C:\\WINDOWS\\INF\\QFE\\W98.SE\\823559UN.INF"
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> | "PA Bear [MS MVP]" > wrote in message
|> |> |> |> | ...
|> |> |> |> |> [Begin crosspost to Win98 General newsgroup]
|> |> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> |> Thread history:
|> |> |> |> |>
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http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/browse_frm/thread/d5c99b0ae721f42f/455c688cdb10b216
|> |> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> |> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|> |> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> |> The 0x801901F4 error(s) means that the update(s) failed
|> |> |> |> |> to download AND install.
|> |> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> |> IIRC only older versions of Zone Alarm firewall will work
|> |> |> |> |> properly in Win98, Jim. If you're NOT running Zone Alarm
|> |> |> |> |> v6.1.744.1, uninstall it now. [If you're connecting to
|> |> |> |> |> the DSL modem via a router, the router alone should
|> |> |> |> |> provide adequate protection for the Win98 box. Others
|> |> |> |> |> here are sure to disagree with me but so be it.]
|> |> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> |> Moving on...
|> |> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> |> [You will want to print or copy/paste the following
|> |> |> |> |> instructions into Notepad for offline reference.]
|> |> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> |> 1. AFAIK, no currently supported version of SpySweeper's
|> |> |> |> |> supported in Win98. Assuming you've not purchased
|> |> |> |> |> SpySweeper (or if you don't get if "free" from your ISP
|> |> |> |> |> or MSN), please (a) disable all SpySweeper Guards
|> |> |> |> |> (protections) then (b) uninstall it.
|> |> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> |> 2. Very briefly & temporarily, disable ZA firewall (if
|> |> |> |> |> still installed) *and* all SpySweeper Guards (if still
|> |> |> |> |> installed) *and* Avast *and* physically disconnect the
|> |> |> |> |> machine from the internet. Don't reconnect until Step #4
|> |> |> |> |> below!
|> |> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> |> 3a. Now overinstall IE6 SP1 per my previous reply to this
|> |> |> |> |> thread:
|> |> |> |> |>
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http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update/msg/c2441e1a72a2d39b
|> |> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> |> 3b. After rebooting, repeat Step #2 above!!
|> |> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> |> 4. Now reconnect to the internet and go to Windows Update
|> |> |> |> |> and try again. Follow all prompts.
|> |> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> |> NB: Don't do ANYTHING else online until Avast has been
|> |> |> |> |> re-enabled and (if you don't connect via a router) until
|> |> |> |> |> ZA (v6.1.744.1 or earlier) has been re-enabled!!
|> |> |> |> |> --
|> |> |> |> |> ~PA Bear
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> --
|> |> |> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> |> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> |> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> |> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> |> |> PCR
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |>
|> |> |> --
|> |> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> |> PCR
|> |> |>
|> |>
|> |> --
|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> PCR
|> |>
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|>

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Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR