defrag

[OR]

I am running windows 98 SE. When I defrag, it gets to around 10 % then it
starts all over again. Never finishes.
Anybody knows what could be wrong? Is there another defraging program out
there you would recommend that is compatible with windows 98?
--
-----------------------------------------------------
øivind reinemo

[Mart]

First, try running defrag in Safe Mode. You'll probably find it works OK.

If it runs ok in Safe Mode, then in all probability, you have some
background program/utility running in Normal Mode and you should take a look
at ScanDefrag v5.5

This is a FREE utility, written by several well respected contributors to
these News Groups and has been designed to run several original MS utilities
through a 'filter' which eliminates the usual junk which stops Defrag (and
Scandisk) from running properly in Normal Mode - as you are already
experiencing.

You can get ScanDefrag at either of the two sites below - and be sure to
read the associated notes for setting it up:
http://home.earthlink.net/~bblanton2/scandefrag/main.htm
http://www.blueorbsoft.com/scandefrag/index.html

Good luck

Mart



"OR" > wrote in message
...
>I am running windows 98 SE. When I defrag, it gets to around 10 % then it
> starts all over again. Never finishes.
> Anybody knows what could be wrong? Is there another defraging program out
> there you would recommend that is compatible with windows 98?
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------
> øivind reinemo
>
>
>

[dave]

grab the defrag utility for winME, (google for it) and swap it for your 98 one.
you will find it (usually) in 'c/windows' folder......
cut the 98 version from c/windows and plonk it in a temp folder prior to putting in the new ME
version.... you wont regret doing it. (reboot after doing this.)

also, delete the folder 'c/windows/APPLOG folder prior to running new defrag proggy.
also(2), make sure No other applications are running whilst defragging... once done, reboot and do
it again; and if you have a h/d with separate partitions, then do them one at a time. (Do Not
run it on any partition that has an NTFS on it... ie, if you are dual booting with 'xp' or etc
which resides on a partition on the same h/d)

davo

"OR" > wrote in message ...
> I am running windows 98 SE. When I defrag, it gets to around 10 % then it
> starts all over again. Never finishes.
> Anybody knows what could be wrong? Is there another defraging program out
> there you would recommend that is compatible with windows 98?
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------
> øivind reinemo
>
>
>

[glee]

"OR" > wrote in message
...
>I am running windows 98 SE. When I defrag, it gets to around 10 % then it
> starts all over again. Never finishes.
> Anybody knows what could be wrong? Is there another defraging program out
> there you would recommend that is compatible with windows 98?

Have a look here, by MS MVP Ron Badour:
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/scandisk.html
and
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/defrag.html

When you open Defragmenter, first click the Settings button, and un-select the
option to re-arrange/optimize files, and save the setting for use every time you run
Defrag.

One simple workaround is to start in Safe Mode, and then run Defrag from there.

Here's a utility to automate it for you:
ScanDefrag
http://www.blueorbsoft.com/scandefrag/

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Disk Defragmenter May Seem to Stop Responding:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/136836

Tip: Run Disk Cleanup before Defrag; Don't *touch* the machine until the
Drag session ends (may take 8-12 hours or more).

Also see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/186978
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/


OR wrote:
> I am running windows 98 SE. When I defrag, it gets to around 10 % then it
> starts all over again. Never finishes.
> Anybody knows what could be wrong? Is there another defraging program out
> there you would recommend that is compatible with windows 98?

[Angel]

"OR" > wrote in message
...
: I am running windows 98 SE. When I defrag, it gets to around 10 % then it
: starts all over again. Never finishes.
: Anybody knows what could be wrong? Is there another defraging program out
: there you would recommend that is compatible with windows 98?
: --
: -----------------------------------------------------
: øivind reinemo

Hi OR,

: I will tell one of the things that cause this is: Having other programs
running in the background. Such as, a Screen Saver, other programs too. I
will tell you what I do, first disconnect from the Internet, set your Screen
Saver to (none). Go into msconfig by going to Start> Run>type in msconfig>
then click on OK, find the Startup tab at top, click on that then write down
everything you have checked there on a piece of paper, so when you start up
your machine after defrag, you have a list of what to put in the start up
after the defrag. Then restart the machine. Check to see if you have
anything there checked. If not, do your defrag. After defrag is complete, go
back to the msconfig and check the things you had unchecked. then restart
your machine. Reconnect to the Internet. If you want, you can set up your
Screen Saver again. This has always worked for me. I hope this helps.

Angel
:
:

[Dan]

OR, I would follow Glen, Robear and Angel's advice. The problem with using
the Windows ME defragger is that it is not necessarily meant for Windows 98
Second Edition and while it may work fine at first, it just may cause more
problems later on but even if it does not cause any problems there are other
reasons for not using it. I would consider whether or not there are legal
issues with Microsoft on using their Windows ME defragger on Windows 98
Second Edition and I am just {shocked} that dave "a so-called Christian" from
what I gathered from another post would even consider doing something that
might be remotely illegal and I think that dave has not considered what the
so called "Higher Power" might do in this situation if dave continues to
blaze along the trail that dave is moving towards in this life.

"OR" wrote:

> I am running windows 98 SE. When I defrag, it gets to around 10 % then it
> starts all over again. Never finishes.
> Anybody knows what could be wrong? Is there another defraging program out
> there you would recommend that is compatible with windows 98?
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------
> øivind reinemo
>
>
>
>

[Buffalo]

Dan wrote:
> OR, I would follow Glen, Robear and Angel's advice. The problem with
> using the Windows ME defragger is that it is not necessarily meant
> for Windows 98 Second Edition and while it may work fine at first, it
> just may cause more problems later on but even if it does not cause
> any problems there are other reasons for not using it. I would
> consider whether or not there are legal issues with Microsoft on
> using their Windows ME defragger on Windows 98 Second Edition and I
> am just {shocked} that dave "a so-called Christian" from what I
> gathered from another post would even consider doing something that
> might be remotely illegal and I think that dave has not considered
> what the so called "Higher Power" might do in this situation if dave
> continues to blaze along the trail that dave is moving towards in
> this life.
>
Dan, why don't you personally call MS and find out before you start your
'holier than thou' preaching.

PS: I have yet to read in a NG where ME defrag caused a problem in Win98SE
because it wasn't designed for it.

[Dan]

Point Noted, Buffalo but you will see dave insulted Gary S. Terhune as well
in another thread.

"Buffalo" wrote:

>
>
> Dan wrote:
> > OR, I would follow Glen, Robear and Angel's advice. The problem with
> > using the Windows ME defragger is that it is not necessarily meant
> > for Windows 98 Second Edition and while it may work fine at first, it
> > just may cause more problems later on but even if it does not cause
> > any problems there are other reasons for not using it. I would
> > consider whether or not there are legal issues with Microsoft on
> > using their Windows ME defragger on Windows 98 Second Edition and I
> > am just {shocked} that dave "a so-called Christian" from what I
> > gathered from another post would even consider doing something that
> > might be remotely illegal and I think that dave has not considered
> > what the so called "Higher Power" might do in this situation if dave
> > continues to blaze along the trail that dave is moving towards in
> > this life.
> >
> Dan, why don't you personally call MS and find out before you start your
> 'holier than thou' preaching.
>
> PS: I have yet to read in a NG where ME defrag caused a problem in Win98SE
> because it wasn't designed for it.
>
>
>

[Dan]

Buffalo, I was also wondering if it was legal to use the Windows ME defragger
with Windows 98 Second Edition or is it necessary from a legal standpoint to
get Microsoft's permission? Thank you for the correction, as well. It
always stings and hurts but I certainly do appreciate it in the end. <smile>

"Buffalo" wrote:

>
>
> Dan wrote:
> > OR, I would follow Glen, Robear and Angel's advice. The problem with
> > using the Windows ME defragger is that it is not necessarily meant
> > for Windows 98 Second Edition and while it may work fine at first, it
> > just may cause more problems later on but even if it does not cause
> > any problems there are other reasons for not using it. I would
> > consider whether or not there are legal issues with Microsoft on
> > using their Windows ME defragger on Windows 98 Second Edition and I
> > am just {shocked} that dave "a so-called Christian" from what I
> > gathered from another post would even consider doing something that
> > might be remotely illegal and I think that dave has not considered
> > what the so called "Higher Power" might do in this situation if dave
> > continues to blaze along the trail that dave is moving towards in
> > this life.
> >
> Dan, why don't you personally call MS and find out before you start your
> 'holier than thou' preaching.
>
> PS: I have yet to read in a NG where ME defrag caused a problem in Win98SE
> because it wasn't designed for it.
>
>
>

[Angel]

PA Bear,

I did the defrag tonight. It only took me 47 minutes. I did the defrag 16
days ago and had uninstalled programs and installed and reinstalled some.
I did not Run Disk Cleanup as you had suggested. I just made sure that no
programs were running. I had done the Scandisk before the defrag. No
problems. Just thought you and others should know.

Angel

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" > wrote in message
...
: Disk Defragmenter May Seem to Stop Responding:
: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/136836
:
: Tip: Run Disk Cleanup before Defrag; Don't *touch* the machine until the
: Drag session ends (may take 8-12 hours or more).
:
: Also see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/186978
: --
: ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
: MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
: AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
: DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
:
:
: OR wrote:
: > I am running windows 98 SE. When I defrag, it gets to around 10 % then
it
: > starts all over again. Never finishes.
: > Anybody knows what could be wrong? Is there another defraging program
out
: > there you would recommend that is compatible with windows 98?
:

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

We shall alert the media.

Angel wrote:
> PA Bear,
>
> I did the defrag tonight. It only took me 47 minutes. I did the defrag 16
> days ago and had uninstalled programs and installed and reinstalled some.
> I did not Run Disk Cleanup as you had suggested. I just made sure that no
> programs were running. I had done the Scandisk before the defrag. No
> problems. Just thought you and others should know.
>
> Angel
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Disk Defragmenter May Seem to Stop Responding:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/136836
>>
>> Tip: Run Disk Cleanup before Defrag; Don't *touch* the machine until the
>> Drag session ends (may take 8-12 hours or more).
>>
>> Also see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/186978
>> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>
>>
>> OR wrote:
>>> I am running windows 98 SE. When I defrag, it gets to around 10 % then
>>> it
>>> starts all over again. Never finishes.
>>> Anybody knows what could be wrong? Is there another defraging program
>>> out
>>> there you would recommend that is compatible with windows 98?

[Brian A.]

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
> Buffalo, I was also wondering if it was legal to use the Windows ME defragger
> with Windows 98 Second Edition or is it necessary from a legal standpoint to
> get Microsoft's permission?
>
You can call 1-800-RU-LEGIT (1-800-785-3448)to report any type of piracy
involving any Microsoft product.


--

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

[Angel]

ROFL!!

I never saw any reason to do Disk Cleanup before I ran the defrag. All I can
say is, 12 hours, give or take a few minutes to run the Disk Cleanup, seems
to be an awfully long time, when less than an hour for me to run defrag is
all that it takes. I would rather do the defrag using the suggestions in a
previous post in this string. You are welcome to try the instructions.

Angel

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" > wrote in message
...
: We shall alert the media.
:
: Angel wrote:
: > PA Bear,
: >
: > I did the defrag tonight. It only took me 47 minutes. I did the defrag
16
: > days ago and had uninstalled programs and installed and reinstalled
some.
: > I did not Run Disk Cleanup as you had suggested. I just made sure that
no
: > programs were running. I ran Scandisk before running defrag. No
: > problems. Just thought you and others should know.
: >
: > Angel
: >
: > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" > wrote in message
: > ...
: >> Disk Defragmenter May Seem to Stop Responding:
: >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/136836
: >>
: >> Tip: Run Disk Cleanup before Defrag; Don't *touch* the machine until
the
: >> Drag session ends (may take 8-12 hours or more).
: >>
: >> Also see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/186978
: >> --
: >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
: >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
: >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
: >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
: >>
: >>
: >> OR wrote:
: >>> I am running windows 98 SE. When I defrag, it gets to around 10 % then
: >>> it
: >>> starts all over again. Never finishes.
: >>> Anybody knows what could be wrong? Is there another defraging program
: >>> out
: >>> there you would recommend that is compatible with windows 98?
:

[98 Guy]

"Brian A." wrote:

> "Dan" > wrote in message

> > Buffalo, I was also wondering if it was legal to use the Windows
> > ME defragger with Windows 98 Second Edition or is it necessary
> > from a legal standpoint to get Microsoft's permission?
>
> You can call 1-800-RU-LEGIT (1-800-785-3448)to report any type
> of piracy involving any Microsoft product.

Actually, we should wait for MEB to answer that question.

No - wait.

He'll just say he already answered it.

Dan, you have my permission to use the Win-me defrag.

[Dan]

Thank you for the information, Brian. I really appreciate the phone number
and that was what I was looking for in this case.

"Brian A." wrote:

> "Dan" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Buffalo, I was also wondering if it was legal to use the Windows ME defragger
> > with Windows 98 Second Edition or is it necessary from a legal standpoint to
> > get Microsoft's permission?
> >
> You can call 1-800-RU-LEGIT (1-800-785-3448)to report any type of piracy
> involving any Microsoft product.
>
>
> --
>
> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>
> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>
>
>

[MEB[_2_]]

"98 Guy" > wrote in message ...
| "Brian A." wrote:
|
| > "Dan" > wrote in message
|
| > > Buffalo, I was also wondering if it was legal to use the Windows
| > > ME defragger with Windows 98 Second Edition or is it necessary
| > > from a legal standpoint to get Microsoft's permission?
| >
| > You can call 1-800-RU-LEGIT (1-800-785-3448)to report any type
| > of piracy involving any Microsoft product.
|
| Actually, we should wait for MEB to answer that question.

What question? Let me guess, you never read the prior posts, never looked
at the rulings, and as usual, never bothered to check on your own..
Does that answer YOUR question?

|
| No - wait.
|
| He'll just say he already answered it.

There is a term that was used for people such as you, it went something
like READ THE F___ing manual, or in your case, RTFPAC.

|
| Dan, you have my permission to use the Win-me defrag.

Really,,, so who made you GOD... or Microsoft's legal representative.

--
MEB

[dave]

> Point Noted, Buffalo but you will see dave insulted Gary S. Terhune as well
> in another thread.

-----------------
gee whiz dan,, you really are a twit arent you. (define twit dan)
didnt see gazza jump in and defend your use of his name..... hmmm,, wonder why?

as you can see by other posts,, winME defrag is far superior to 98's..... it has been a known
fact while mum was still wipin' your bum.
if you think micro is gonna start taking out law suits against all those that use one of their
products to enhance another of their products, then........ umm, gee,, wot can i say danny
boy. (cept',, 'the pipes, the pipes are callin''''''')
anyhow, now you got the phone number, and you can call them and chew their ears off with your
claims........ guess i'll cya in court..... bwwwwwwwaaaaaahahahaahaaha.
(ps,, you n' i both know you have Every single ph' no' of micros call centers,,,, and i'm sure you
are on a first blame basis with all..... hee hee. i reckon they all take bets on how many times
a day you will call,,, maybe i should call one day just to get in on the action......
TWIT)

davo

>
> "Buffalo" wrote:
> > Dan, why don't you personally call MS and find out before you start your
> > 'holier than thou' preaching.
> >
> > PS: I have yet to read in a NG where ME defrag caused a problem in Win98SE
> > because it wasn't designed for it.