IE6 is NOT working, why?

[Robert A. Macy]

Apologies ahead of time, but I need help on what should be a simple
problem.

I have four machines: 2 Win98 and 2 WinXP. All works to connect to my
ISP, but the IE6 on one of the WinXP's, but then suddenly worked for
one session, then quit again.

It dials, makes connection, confirms me to my ISP, announces that the
connection is made with a little balloon, but then stops and will not
download the welcome page? The IE6 promptly sequences through
everything until it's time to get the page, then...nothing, no data
transfer, just an hour glass. I can't even activate the View Source.
Have to stop IE, but then the 'can't show this page' screen is the
same as view source.

IE6 just stops when it comes time to get the page. No data transfer,
nothing. Doesn't matter if it's my ISP, google, or any page.

=-=-=
Gary Terhune suggested:
***Ideas only. Test each thoroughly before continuing to the next:
1. In Internet Options, Advanced tab, click the Restore Defaults
button.
Then uncheck JUST that one item about checking for Updates. You can
fiddle
with the rest later. Do the same for your Internet Zone and Restricted
Zone.
Reset to defaults.

2. In a CMD window, while connected, run the following:
ipconfig /flushdns

3. Set up a Clean Boot by running MSCONFIG, choosing Selective
Startup, then
uncheck the Load Startup Items, then go to the Services tab, put a
check in
"Hide all Microsoft Services", then click Disable All. Click OK,
reboot when
prompted, check to make sure that your antivirus didn't automatically
restart itself (Avast will do that), then test at Microsoft.com. If
you're
sure it's working OK, now, then run MSINFO32, look under Software,
then
Startup Programs, click anywhere in the right-hand pane, press Ctrl-A,
then
Ctrl-C, then use Ctrl-V to Paste the info into a reply. Stop any
further
testing of suggestions and reestablish a Normal boot in MSCONFIG.

4. Not sure about this one, because I've never used a modem with XP.
In the
Modem's properties, I would hope that there is somewhere to manually
enter
DNS settings. Probably in the modem's Properties, then TCP/IP
protocol's
Properties. Try using OpenDNS.com for both Primary and Secondary DNS
servers.
=-=-=

I tried the first two:

> ***Ideas only. Test each thoroughly before continuing to the next:
> 1. In Internet Options, Advanced tab, click the Restore Defaults button.
> Then uncheck JUST that one item about checking for Updates. You can fiddle
> with the rest later. Do the same for your Internet Zone and Restricted Zone.
> Reset to defaults.

Did this, reset all items and unchecked Automatic Update.
Plus found that there are now NO Add-ons, none at all. But, IE6 still
didn't work.
[i]
> 2. In a CMD window, while connected, run the following:
> ipconfig /flushdns

WOW! this did NOT do anything!

I dialed up, got connected and then opened a command window typed the
line and cr...nothing, just sat there for minutes!

Is that right? Should it be that slow? Hitting cr again did nothing,
had to close window. At first thought 'hour-glass' and IE6 waiting
was the problem, so stopped IE6, not close, [while connected] and
tried again. Still /flushdns did nothing? Had to close again.

As a test, opened cmd window and typed ipconfig and got a litany of
stuff about my ISP.

IS it significant that /flushdns did nothing?

Either way, IE6 still does not open a page at any website.

I'll go do point 3 later


> Gary Terhune also asked:
> What ISP do you use? Do you set up your DUN connection manually or did you
> install some program from the ISP to do it? Is it even using Windows DUN, or
> is it using its own dialer?

I use http://www.california.com I think I set up manually.

I ignored my ISP's list of things to do, because many times [more than
20 times of clean installs] I successfully have gotten IE6 on Win98
and the other WinXP running by simply connecting to ISP, just manually
set up the phone number and let it go, worked fine.

Robert

[Dan]

Disconnect machines from Internet first and reset all computers first and
then follow my steps. Try to post back with a clean machine if you can use
one --- friend's house or library or somewhere else.

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Here's the rest of the long, long story:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general/browse_frm/thread/a9e6c7309e768ac2

Robert, you're not doing yourself any favors by multi-posting in various
newsgroups about this IE6/WinXP problem, especially doing so in a
Win98-specific newsgroup.
--
~PA Bear


Robert A. Macy wrote:
> Apologies ahead of time, but I need help on what should be a simple
> problem.
>
> I have four machines: 2 Win98 and 2 WinXP. All works to connect to my
> ISP, but the IE6 on one of the WinXP's, but then suddenly worked for
> one session, then quit again.
>
> It dials, makes connection, confirms me to my ISP, announces that the
> connection is made with a little balloon, but then stops and will not
> download the welcome page? The IE6 promptly sequences through
> everything until it's time to get the page, then...nothing, no data
> transfer, just an hour glass. I can't even activate the View Source.
> Have to stop IE, but then the 'can't show this page' screen is the
> same as view source.
>
> IE6 just stops when it comes time to get the page. No data transfer,
> nothing. Doesn't matter if it's my ISP, google, or any page.
>
> =-=-=
> Gary Terhune suggested:
> ***Ideas only. Test each thoroughly before continuing to the next:
> 1. In Internet Options, Advanced tab, click the Restore Defaults
> button.
> Then uncheck JUST that one item about checking for Updates. You can
> fiddle
> with the rest later. Do the same for your Internet Zone and Restricted
> Zone.
> Reset to defaults.
>
> 2. In a CMD window, while connected, run the following:
> ipconfig /flushdns
>
> 3. Set up a Clean Boot by running MSCONFIG, choosing Selective
> Startup, then
> uncheck the Load Startup Items, then go to the Services tab, put a
> check in
> "Hide all Microsoft Services", then click Disable All. Click OK,
> reboot when
> prompted, check to make sure that your antivirus didn't automatically
> restart itself (Avast will do that), then test at Microsoft.com. If
> you're
> sure it's working OK, now, then run MSINFO32, look under Software,
> then
> Startup Programs, click anywhere in the right-hand pane, press Ctrl-A,
> then
> Ctrl-C, then use Ctrl-V to Paste the info into a reply. Stop any
> further
> testing of suggestions and reestablish a Normal boot in MSCONFIG.
>
> 4. Not sure about this one, because I've never used a modem with XP.
> In the
> Modem's properties, I would hope that there is somewhere to manually
> enter
> DNS settings. Probably in the modem's Properties, then TCP/IP
> protocol's
> Properties. Try using OpenDNS.com for both Primary and Secondary DNS
> servers.
> =-=-=
>
> I tried the first two:
>
>> ***Ideas only. Test each thoroughly before continuing to the next:
>> 1. In Internet Options, Advanced tab, click the Restore Defaults button.
>> Then uncheck JUST that one item about checking for Updates. You can
>> fiddle
>> with the rest later. Do the same for your Internet Zone and Restricted
>> Zone. Reset to defaults.
>
> Did this, reset all items and unchecked Automatic Update.
> Plus found that there are now NO Add-ons, none at all. But, IE6 still
> didn't work.
>[i]
>> 2. In a CMD window, while connected, run the following:
>> ipconfig /flushdns
>
> WOW! this did NOT do anything!
>
> I dialed up, got connected and then opened a command window typed the
> line and cr...nothing, just sat there for minutes!
>
> Is that right? Should it be that slow? Hitting cr again did nothing,
> had to close window. At first thought 'hour-glass' and IE6 waiting
> was the problem, so stopped IE6, not close, [while connected] and
> tried again. Still /flushdns did nothing? Had to close again.
>
> As a test, opened cmd window and typed ipconfig and got a litany of
> stuff about my ISP.
>
> IS it significant that /flushdns did nothing?
>
> Either way, IE6 still does not open a page at any website.
>
> I'll go do point 3 later
>
>
>> Gary Terhune also asked:
>> What ISP do you use? Do you set up your DUN connection manually or did
>> you
>> install some program from the ISP to do it? Is it even using Windows DUN,
>> or is it using its own dialer?
>
> I use http://www.california.com I think I set up manually.
>
> I ignored my ISP's list of things to do, because many times [more than
> 20 times of clean installs] I successfully have gotten IE6 on Win98
> and the other WinXP running by simply connecting to ISP, just manually
> set up the phone number and let it go, worked fine.
>
> Robert

[Dan]

Thanks for letting me know the whole story, Robear.

[Robert A. Macy]

On Aug 8, 8:40*pm, Dan > wrote:
> Thanks for letting me know the whole story, Robear.

I thought mult posting meant IDENTICAL posts to multiple groups.

I did not do that. I first posted my questions in what seemed like
the appropriate group, the Internet Explorer Group. Instead of
concentrating on solving my problem, I got lectured and lectured about
antivirus software, ending with 'I can't help you further' or such.
After not getting help and being told no further help was forth
coming, I started asking in the one group that has really helped me,
this one.

I did NOT multi-post the same question. I stopped in one group in
frustration and moved to this group, and members in this group have
had the courtesy and the decency to truly share expertise and offer
help. [which was so rich in activity that I am still trying to
accomplish all the tasks requested of me.

And I did start with apologies for being off topic. I still apologize
for being off topic. But I do not apologize for seeking help.

Robert

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Repost:
With all due respect, once you've take care of everything on this page...

http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/before_you_plug_in.html

....I'll attempt to assist your further, Robert, in IE General newsgroup.

=> Make sure the Windows Firewall or a third-party firewall is enabled.

=> Make sure that the machine is fully patched at Windows Update.

=> Get a functional anti-virus application installed.

Your anti-virus application should be configured to seek and install
updates automatically and daily at a time when the machine is usually
running and connected to the internet. It should also be configured to run
a full system scan a few minutes after seeking/installing updates, also
daily. Anything less is simply insufficient these days.
===========================

Unexplained computer behavior may be caused by deceptive software
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/827315

Run a thorough check for hijackware, including posting your hijackthis log
to an appropriate forum.

Checking for/Help with Hijackware
http://aumha.org/a/parasite.htm
http://aumha.org/a/quickfix.htm
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=5878
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Malware_Removal_and_Prevention:_Introduction
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/data/prevention.htm
http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/tshoot.html
http://www.mvps.org/sramesh2k/Malware_Defence.htm
http://defendingyourmachine2.blogspot.com/
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Removing_Malware

When all else fails, HijackThis v2.0.2
(http://aumha.org/downloads/hijackthis.exe) is the preferred tool to use (in
conjuction with some other utilities). HijackThis will NOT fix anything on
its own, but it will help you to both identify and remove any
hijackware/spyware with assistance from an expert. **Post your log to
http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=30,
http://forums.spybot.info/forumdisplay.php?f=22,
http://castlecops.com/forum67.html, or other appropriate forums for review
by an expert in such matters, not here.**

If the procedures look too complex - and there is no shame in admitting this
isn't your cup of tea - take the machine to a local, reputable and
independent (i.e., not BigBoxStoreUSA or Geek Squad) computer repair shop.
--
~PA Bear

Robert A. Macy wrote:
> On Aug 8, 8:40 pm, Dan > wrote:
>> Thanks for letting me know the whole story, Robear.
>
> I thought mult posting meant IDENTICAL posts to multiple groups.
>
> I did not do that. I first posted my questions in what seemed like
> the appropriate group, the Internet Explorer Group. Instead of
> concentrating on solving my problem, I got lectured and lectured about
> antivirus software, ending with 'I can't help you further' or such.
> After not getting help and being told no further help was forth
> coming, I started asking in the one group that has really helped me,
> this one.
>
> I did NOT multi-post the same question. I stopped in one group in
> frustration and moved to this group, and members in this group have
> had the courtesy and the decency to truly share expertise and offer
> help. [which was so rich in activity that I am still trying to
> accomplish all the tasks requested of me.
>
> And I did start with apologies for being off topic. I still apologize
> for being off topic. But I do not apologize for seeking help.
>
> Robert

[Dan]

Robert, please trust and be thankful to Robear. I can not think of one time
he has ever been rude to me and I greatly respect him as one of my favorite
MVP's along with Chris Quirke, Jeff Richards, Tim Slatterly (sorry if I
misspelled your name), Alan Edwards, etc. They are too numerous to name.

Gary S. Terhune is also awesome but we are on non speaking terms because I
messed with his head (sorry it was completely 100% my fault) when my thyroid
levels were off.

(Off Topic Below -- Disregard if you are not interested and that is fine by
me)

I have since had surgery and the right side of my thyroid has been removed
because it literally had holes in it according to my surgeon Mike who
operated on me. This was because of radiation I had for cancer (Hodgkin's
Disease) back in 1990 but it just held out so long and suddenly fully
collapsed after sort of crashing before.

Apparently, thyroid disease mirrors full mental disorders because of the
power of this hormone. I now take thyroid medicine and it is a pain because
I get too hyper and stimulated when the level is too high and down and
depressed with crying for no reason when the level is too low. My level I
can tell right now is too high so I must speak with my endochronologist about
getting a lower dose of thyroid medicine for daily use. Eventually,
hopefully science will get my thyroid levels back to fully normal.

The 4 treatment of chemotherapy finally cured me and that date is set
forever in my heart of July 3, 1992 when Dan was cured of Hodgkin's Disease.
Sorry for hijacking this thread and I just wanted the truth to be now
publically out there for all to see for whatever little worth it may be to
anyone.

[Robert A. Macy]

Is ok to 'hijack this thread'

What you have gone through and the result of the uneveness resulting
is one of the best reasons for never flaming anyone on th 'net.

Thank you for sharing. Perhaps, your description of the symptom of
thyroidal disruption will prove valuable to a lurker and save them
much personal hardship.

I know, for me, you make me thankful for being blessed to not have
gone through anything like this.

Robert

[Gary S. Terhune[_2_]]

"Robert A. Macy" > wrote in message
...
> Is ok to 'hijack this thread'
>
> What you have gone through and the result of the uneveness resulting
> is one of the best reasons for never flaming anyone on th 'net.
>
> Thank you for sharing. Perhaps, your description of the symptom of
> thyroidal disruption will prove valuable to a lurker and save them
> much personal hardship.
>
> I know, for me, you make me thankful for being blessed to not have
> gone through anything like this.
>
> Robert
>

[Gary S. Terhune[_2_]]

When you don't leave the previous content of the thread in your post, nobody
has the slightest idea who or what you're responding to. In my case, lots of
idiots get blocked, and from the sounds of it, this one was called Dan. A
lying mental patient, escaped from the asylum.

Or, in the case of the msnews news server, lots of posts get dumped for no
reason at all. So leave at least two or three in complete.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Robert A. Macy" > wrote in message
...
> Is ok to 'hijack this thread'
>
> What you have gone through and the result of the uneveness resulting
> is one of the best reasons for never flaming anyone on th 'net.
>
> Thank you for sharing. Perhaps, your description of the symptom of
> thyroidal disruption will prove valuable to a lurker and save them
> much personal hardship.
>
> I know, for me, you make me thankful for being blessed to not have
> gone through anything like this.
>
> Robert
>

[Robert A. Macy]

On Aug 10, 3:48*pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> When you don't leave the previous content of the thread in your post, nobody
> has the slightest idea who or what you're responding to. In my case, lots of
> idiots get blocked, and from the sounds of it, this one was called Dan. A
> lying mental patient, escaped from the asylum.
>
> Or, in the case of the msnews news server, lots of posts get dumped for no
> reason at all. So leave at least two or three in complete.

Too bad it was blocked it contained accolades about you, an apology
specifically addressed to you [I think], and a detailed explanation
[did not seem like an excuse, but an explanation] of the reason for
his inappropriate previous interaction with you.


So this time I left a few lines., regarding getting on line with this
last system...

I am pursuing installing a modem driver that is EXACTLY for the dialup
modem installed in the faulty system. I've found two, but neither
seem exactly correct for this WinXP

the modem is
Aztech Systems MDP 3880W(B)
1NA-IDN-A22-99-0577

containing Conexant chip:
RH56D-PCI
R6795-12
F21204.6
0008

I'll keep looking.

I can't believe an inadequate driver caused the problem because the
thing didn't work, worked perfectly for a session, then stopped
working, never worked again. It was that 'worked perfectly for a
session' that is confusing to me.

But, as you said, step by step.

It's possible there is some 'residual' antivirus in this machine. But
I don't see any vestige of it. At least when I hit ctl-alt-del it does
not show up.

From past experience, when I brought up the other WinXP, everything
almost worked only to find that
1) generic modem driver did NOT make it dial at all [different modem]
2) had to make certain that the WinXP Network something was started
manually before installing the Network connection.

After installing the correct driver and starting the Network Manager
manually before setting up, that WinXP system keeps working.
Hmmm....didn't think of this - swap modems. much to do, much to do.

In the system that doesn't work, any idea why the
ipconfig /flushdns
hung up the command window? and seemed to do nothing?

After I square away a few more basics, I'll be back with information
to share, and probably ask again.

Robert

[Gary S. Terhune[_2_]]

Yup. Sounds like Dan. And if so, what you get it's pure lunacy, regardless
of the it's nature. Lately, it's occurred to me that his is a serious case
of MPD (they're calling it something else these days, but I forget.) He
belongs permanently institutionalized. There is no cure. I have also seen
indicators of a homicidal personality. I learned that years ago. And about
his pathological lying (and I'm speaking in purely clinical terms, here.)

I'm serious, if you're talking about Dan, as far as I can tell from this
distance, he's a danger to himself and others and should be
institutionalized, at gunpoint if necessary. I've been around enough of
them, I know.

And that's as far as I go until you somehow switch from using MIME QP to
something else. When you use MIME QP, my OE cannot add "indentation" marks
to "included" content. Therefore, it limits me to top-posting only, and
while I am generally a top-poster anyway, I won't be limited to it unless
there is absolutely no other way. I used to use MIME QP to keep hyperlinks
from breaking for people who used certain other types of newsreaders. I was
finally convinced that the advantages are greatly outweighed by the
disadvantages caused to others, and the resulting bad will, due to the lack
of distinction between one person's text and another's.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Robert A. Macy" > wrote in message
...
On Aug 10, 3:48 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> When you don't leave the previous content of the thread in your post,
> nobody
> has the slightest idea who or what you're responding to. In my case, lots
> of
> idiots get blocked, and from the sounds of it, this one was called Dan. A
> lying mental patient, escaped from the asylum.
>
> Or, in the case of the msnews news server, lots of posts get dumped for no
> reason at all. So leave at least two or three in complete.

Too bad it was blocked it contained accolades about you, an apology
specifically addressed to you [I think], and a detailed explanation
[did not seem like an excuse, but an explanation] of the reason for
his inappropriate previous interaction with you.

So this time I left a few lines., regarding getting on line with this
last system...

I am pursuing installing a modem driver that is EXACTLY for the dialup
modem installed in the faulty system. I've found two, but neither
seem exactly correct for this WinXP

the modem is
Aztech Systems MDP 3880W(B)
1NA-IDN-A22-99-0577

containing Conexant chip:
RH56D-PCI
R6795-12
F21204.6
0008

I'll keep looking.

I can't believe an inadequate driver caused the problem because the
thing didn't work, worked perfectly for a session, then stopped
working, never worked again. It was that 'worked perfectly for a
session' that is confusing to me.

But, as you said, step by step.

It's possible there is some 'residual' antivirus in this machine. But
I don't see any vestige of it. At least when I hit ctl-alt-del it does
not show up.

From past experience, when I brought up the other WinXP, everything
almost worked only to find that
1) generic modem driver did NOT make it dial at all [different modem]
2) had to make certain that the WinXP Network something was started
manually before installing the Network connection.

After installing the correct driver and starting the Network Manager
manually before setting up, that WinXP system keeps working.
Hmmm....didn't think of this - swap modems. much to do, much to do.

In the system that doesn't work, any idea why the
ipconfig /flushdns
hung up the command window? and seemed to do nothing?

After I square away a few more basics, I'll be back with information
to share, and probably ask again.

Robert

[Dan]

<responses left below and only removed previously to shorten posts and lesson
confusion at least to me>

You will always be in my thoughts and prayers even if you cannot read this
Gary S. Terhune.

BTW, I was diagnosed with a learning disability at age 6 and so have never
been completely normal and never will be and I have learned to thank God for
the challenges that the Creator God has given me and can now rise to the
occasion to get my house in order and try and always build up others where I
can. This is what is lacking in the States (the U.S.A.) is that we keep
trying to fix other people's problems when we are having lots of problems
that are not getting fully dealt with like in the case of Hurricane Katrina
and its aftermath.

Thyroid Disease is not fun and I would not wish or hope for my worst enemy
to ever have it and I would say it is up there with brain cancer and or Al
timer's Disease because it jacks with all of your systems and does indeed
make you completely crazy as I was in the past.

Remember the radiation treatment which was delivered by x-rays was in 1990
and mainly on the right side of the thyroid which was removed by Mike, the
surgeon in New Mexico but it is fine with me if no one believes me anymore
because I can hardly believe it myself. In addition, I now freely admit to
having lied and posted using Art's Computer in Tucson, Arizona because I have
dealt with my Fear of being afraid of man and woman more but I will continue
to deal with this great fear for the rest of my life.

I can only hope and pray that God will continue to strengthen me for the
future. I do not judge anyone for not believing in my Christian God but all
I ask is that you have Faith in something greater than yourselves so you will
not fall into pride and whether it be another great being or even an alien
then at least it can give you the hope to live day by day.

I am in my 30's and living day by day and finally starting to really enjoy
life and knowing that people that I know on-line are only on-line like Brad
Paisley says in his song that he can be anyone on-line and so I sinned and
know now I was wrong and humbly repent and hope that at least some of you can
have mercy upon me but even if not I know that my God finds this wretched and
broken body and mind and soul and spirit acceptable to Him and only if He
would let me meet Him quickly but for some reason God has decided to keep
little old Dan around not that it matters much but that is all to say and so
take care all of you and stay safe out there boys and girls.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> Yup. Sounds like Dan. And if so, what you get it's pure lunacy, regardless
> of the it's nature. Lately, it's occurred to me that his is a serious case
> of MPD (they're calling it something else these days, but I forget.) He
> belongs permanently institutionalized. There is no cure. I have also seen
> indicators of a homicidal personality. I learned that years ago. And about
> his pathological lying (and I'm speaking in purely clinical terms, here.)
>
> I'm serious, if you're talking about Dan, as far as I can tell from this
> distance, he's a danger to himself and others and should be
> institutionalized, at gunpoint if necessary. I've been around enough of
> them, I know.
>
> And that's as far as I go until you somehow switch from using MIME QP to
> something else. When you use MIME QP, my OE cannot add "indentation" marks
> to "included" content. Therefore, it limits me to top-posting only, and
> while I am generally a top-poster anyway, I won't be limited to it unless
> there is absolutely no other way. I used to use MIME QP to keep hyperlinks
> from breaking for people who used certain other types of newsreaders. I was
> finally convinced that the advantages are greatly outweighed by the
> disadvantages caused to others, and the resulting bad will, due to the lack
> of distinction between one person's text and another's.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "Robert A. Macy" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Aug 10, 3:48 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:[i]
> > When you don't leave the previous content of the thread in your post,
> > nobody
> > has the slightest idea who or what you're responding to. In my case, lots
> > of
> > idiots get blocked, and from the sounds of it, this one was called Dan. A
> > lying mental patient, escaped from the asylum.
> >
> > Or, in the case of the msnews news server, lots of posts get dumped for no
> > reason at all. So leave at least two or three in complete.
>
> Too bad it was blocked it contained accolades about you, an apology
> specifically addressed to you , and a detailed explanation
> [did not seem like an excuse, but an explanation] of the reason for
> his inappropriate previous interaction with you.
>
> So this time I left a few lines., regarding getting on line with this
> last system...
>
> I am pursuing installing a modem driver that is EXACTLY for the dialup
> modem installed in the faulty system. I've found two, but neither
> seem exactly correct for this WinXP
>
> the modem is
> Aztech Systems MDP 3880W(B)
> 1NA-IDN-A22-99-0577
>
> containing Conexant chip:
> RH56D-PCI
> R6795-12
> F21204.6
> 0008
>
> I'll keep looking.
>
> I can't believe an inadequate driver caused the problem because the
> thing didn't work, worked perfectly for a session, then stopped
> working, never worked again. It was that 'worked perfectly for a
> session' that is confusing to me.
>
> But, as you said, step by step.
>
> It's possible there is some 'residual' antivirus in this machine. But
> I don't see any vestige of it. At least when I hit ctl-alt-del it does
> not show up.
>
> From past experience, when I brought up the other WinXP, everything
> almost worked only to find that
> 1) generic modem driver did NOT make it dial at all [different modem]
> 2) had to make certain that the WinXP Network something was started
> manually before installing the Network connection.
>
> After installing the correct driver and starting the Network Manager
> manually before setting up, that WinXP system keeps working.
> Hmmm....didn't think of this - swap modems. much to do, much to do.
>
> In the system that doesn't work, any idea why the
> ipconfig /flushdns
> hung up the command window? and seemed to do nothing?
>
> After I square away a few more basics, I'll be back with information
> to share, and probably ask again.
>
> Robert
>
>
>

[Robert A. Macy]

On Aug 10, 6:01*pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:


Gary, again and as usual THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP!

I just slogged through an unknown sequence of uninstall modem, install
modem, copy all settings of IE6 over to the other IE6 and voila!

It worked!, well after a fashion. Took something like 20 minutes
before the hello page loaded, but once loaded, I could navigate around
the internet using this machine and this IE6

You were probably right about not relating at all to the IE6, but
something else, still unknown.

Might relate to the issue that this WinXP takes something like 10
minutes to complete its boot up sequence. Ridiculous amount of bloated
code. But I'll take this over to the WinXP group and see what they
say, probably buy another system.

Gary et all, thank you for the help. I wish I could give you the
'exact' fix, but not sure is fixed, may still be the same, but
patience allowed the IE6 to complete so I could get out onto the net.

Robert

[Gary S. Terhune[_2_]]

Me? I had nothing to do with it, I swear. It was that guy over there. Leave
me outta this.

If Windows is taking that long to load, you need to analyze why. Anything
that waits for response before continuing, and then given a long list of
responses to wait for, like networking. What the heck kind of network do you
have, anyway?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Robert A. Macy" > wrote in message
...
On Aug 10, 6:01 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:


Gary, again and as usual THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP!

I just slogged through an unknown sequence of uninstall modem, install
modem, copy all settings of IE6 over to the other IE6 and voila!

It worked!, well after a fashion. Took something like 20 minutes
before the hello page loaded, but once loaded, I could navigate around
the internet using this machine and this IE6

You were probably right about not relating at all to the IE6, but
something else, still unknown.

Might relate to the issue that this WinXP takes something like 10
minutes to complete its boot up sequence. Ridiculous amount of bloated
code. But I'll take this over to the WinXP group and see what they
say, probably buy another system.

Gary et all, thank you for the help. I wish I could give you the
'exact' fix, but not sure is fixed, may still be the same, but
patience allowed the IE6 to complete so I could get out onto the net.

Robert

[Robert A. Macy]

On Aug 18, 12:01*am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> Me? I had nothing to do with it, I swear. It was that guy over there. Leave
> me outta this.

Actually, you had the best sequence of things to try. Didn't even
know those programs exist. Must be someplace to find out the set of
useful DOS commands, grouped alphabetically and functionally. It
seemed to me like the other group NEVER really got past making certain
there was no malware running, that all my antivirus software was
installed and then turned off. Well maybe not, just seemed like
that.

> If Windows is taking that long to load, you need to analyze why. Anything
> that waits for response before continuing, and then given a long list of
> responses to wait for, like networking. What the heck kind of network do you
> have, anyway?

Uh, no network at all. All machines are autonomous. Need to take my
question over to the WinXP group,...shudder.

Oddly, at the same time I was trying to get this WinXP up and onto the
net, our other three machines stopped logging on promptly, or at all.
My complaint to our server resulted in about a three day effort
[including not being available off and on for long periodsof time] for
them to fix the problem. I think they now have it fixed because the
two Win98's and the 'good' WinXP all log on in the standard 12 to 20
seconds of dial, hand shake, verify, and page comes up. But, alas,
this WinXP is still a dog. Coincidence was strange.

However, I am THOROUGHLY convinced the problem is now unique to this
WinXP SP2 running too much stuff and upgrades.

Thanks for the help.

Robert

[Dan]

DNS Pollution Sighted and Thanks Robert A. Macy for your reply.

Please see us-cert.gov for further details on this and yes Gary S. Terhune
is a great teacher. I am only saddened that my health issues caused me to
take out my rage and frustration on this newsgroup and post things that I did
indeed lie about in the past like when I posted as Art Wilder because I was
fearful of people and did not fear God as I should have.

Your experience has proved invaluable to me and my research. Thank you
Robert A. Macy for sharing your frustrations and problems. You are welcome
to post in 98 general anytime in my opinion for what little worth it is to
many.

http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/800113

Prepare, yourself and this is deep stuff with Dan K.'s research and has
mobilized the entire globe to fight the evil that is out there.

http://www.doxpara.com/ (check to see if your isp is vulnerable -- btw,
which isp do you use --- I use Comcast Cable and they have patched the
vulnerability on their side already -- they were one of the first according
to the Department of Homeland Security us-cert.gov website)

If you want to read more about DNS Pollution and other threats -- here are
some web-links --- note poster not responsible if post hacked and someone
changes websites so surf at your own risk and use proper web surfing methods
--- eg. reading in plain text, blocking remote code, blocking 3rd party
cookies, etc.

https://www.defcon.org/html/links/dtangent.html

http://www.emergingthreats.net/content/view/87/1/

http://isc.sans.org/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/25/isps_slow_to_patch/

http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/pr_1197409593155.shtm

"Robert A. Macy" wrote:

> On Aug 18, 12:01 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:[i]
> > Me? I had nothing to do with it, I swear. It was that guy over there. Leave
> > me outta this.
>
> Actually, you had the best sequence of things to try. Didn't even
> know those programs exist. Must be someplace to find out the set of
> useful DOS commands, grouped alphabetically and functionally. It
> seemed to me like the other group NEVER really got past making certain
> there was no malware running, that all my antivirus software was
> installed and then turned off. Well maybe not, just seemed like
> that.
>
> > If Windows is taking that long to load, you need to analyze why. Anything
> > that waits for response before continuing, and then given a long list of
> > responses to wait for, like networking. What the heck kind of network do you
> > have, anyway?
>
> Uh, no network at all. All machines are autonomous. Need to take my
> question over to the WinXP group,...shudder.
>
> Oddly, at the same time I was trying to get this WinXP up and onto the
> net, our other three machines stopped logging on promptly, or at all.
> My complaint to our server resulted in about a three day effort
> for
> them to fix the problem. I think they now have it fixed because the
> two Win98's and the 'good' WinXP all log on in the standard 12 to 20
> seconds of dial, hand shake, verify, and page comes up. But, alas,
> this WinXP is still a dog. Coincidence was strange.
>
> However, I am THOROUGHLY convinced the problem is now unique to this
> WinXP SP2 running too much stuff and upgrades.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Robert
>

[Gary S. Terhune[_2_]]

Well my answer to intractable network issues in a single machine is to
remove ALL of it, just scour the system for anything that has to do with
networking and remove it, from DM, from Networks folder, make sure the right
drivers are available and then let it reinstall itself.

But then, it's been so long since I dealt with dial-up on XP I totally
forget what the dialogues even look like.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Robert A. Macy" > wrote in message
...
On Aug 18, 12:01 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> Me? I had nothing to do with it, I swear. It was that guy over there.
> Leave
> me outta this.

Actually, you had the best sequence of things to try. Didn't even
know those programs exist. Must be someplace to find out the set of
useful DOS commands, grouped alphabetically and functionally. It
seemed to me like the other group NEVER really got past making certain
there was no malware running, that all my antivirus software was
installed and then turned off. Well maybe not, just seemed like
that.

> If Windows is taking that long to load, you need to analyze why. Anything
> that waits for response before continuing, and then given a long list of
> responses to wait for, like networking. What the heck kind of network do
> you
> have, anyway?

Uh, no network at all. All machines are autonomous. Need to take my
question over to the WinXP group,...shudder.

Oddly, at the same time I was trying to get this WinXP up and onto the
net, our other three machines stopped logging on promptly, or at all.
My complaint to our server resulted in about a three day effort
[including not being available off and on for long periodsof time] for
them to fix the problem. I think they now have it fixed because the
two Win98's and the 'good' WinXP all log on in the standard 12 to 20
seconds of dial, hand shake, verify, and page comes up. But, alas,
this WinXP is still a dog. Coincidence was strange.

However, I am THOROUGHLY convinced the problem is now unique to this
WinXP SP2 running too much stuff and upgrades.

Thanks for the help.

Robert

[Dan]

I am with you there Gary and I really do enjoy targetting the individual
machine and trying to cure it. It really is so much simpler if you can fix
the individual machine by being able to sit at that machine and work at that
machine and that is a good reason why I am still a Windows 98 Second Edition
guy at heart because it is so much fun to be able to sit at the machine and
fix the problems right there. I guess that is why 9x is a consumer source
code compared to NT being a business source code because the 2 markets have
different needs. My friend Chris from Camp Stoney in Santa Fe, NM tells me
he plans to build a 98 Second Edition Machine from an old motherboard of mine
and he wants it for old-school gaming. <smile>

That is the coolest thing in my opinion because I am totally an old-school
gamer having grown up with an IBM PCjr in New York City and my first big
adventure game being King's Quest 1 in 1984 by Ken Williams of Sierra-On-Line
that was built to show off the prowess of the IBM PCjr. I have heard from
others in the industry that Amiga was really cool but I never had a chance to
play around with one or a Commodore for that matter.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> Well my answer to intractable network issues in a single machine is to
> remove ALL of it, just scour the system for anything that has to do with
> networking and remove it, from DM, from Networks folder, make sure the right
> drivers are available and then let it reinstall itself.
>
> But then, it's been so long since I dealt with dial-up on XP I totally
> forget what the dialogues even look like.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "Robert A. Macy" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Aug 18, 12:01 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:[i]
> > Me? I had nothing to do with it, I swear. It was that guy over there.
> > Leave
> > me outta this.
>
> Actually, you had the best sequence of things to try. Didn't even
> know those programs exist. Must be someplace to find out the set of
> useful DOS commands, grouped alphabetically and functionally. It
> seemed to me like the other group NEVER really got past making certain
> there was no malware running, that all my antivirus software was
> installed and then turned off. Well maybe not, just seemed like
> that.
>
> > If Windows is taking that long to load, you need to analyze why. Anything
> > that waits for response before continuing, and then given a long list of
> > responses to wait for, like networking. What the heck kind of network do
> > you
> > have, anyway?
>
> Uh, no network at all. All machines are autonomous. Need to take my
> question over to the WinXP group,...shudder.
>
> Oddly, at the same time I was trying to get this WinXP up and onto the
> net, our other three machines stopped logging on promptly, or at all.
> My complaint to our server resulted in about a three day effort
> for
> them to fix the problem. I think they now have it fixed because the
> two Win98's and the 'good' WinXP all log on in the standard 12 to 20
> seconds of dial, hand shake, verify, and page comes up. But, alas,
> this WinXP is still a dog. Coincidence was strange.
>
> However, I am THOROUGHLY convinced the problem is now unique to this
> WinXP SP2 running too much stuff and upgrades.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Robert
>
>
>

[Robert A. Macy]

On Aug 19, 12:18*am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> Well my answer to intractable network issues in a single machine is to
> remove ALL of it, just scour the system for anything that has to do with
> networking and remove it, from DM, from Networks folder, make sure the right
> drivers are available and then let it reinstall itself.

From the WinXP group that is saying something about UPnP

The fault may be in the Network Plug 'n' Play AutoSearch is taking too
much time.

Again, strip all network and reinstall.

Uh,...what is DM?

Robert

[Dan]

Driver Management?, but I am sure Gary knows. <grin>

"Robert A. Macy" wrote:

> On Aug 19, 12:18 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> > Well my answer to intractable network issues in a single machine is to
> > remove ALL of it, just scour the system for anything that has to do with
> > networking and remove it, from DM, from Networks folder, make sure the right
> > drivers are available and then let it reinstall itself.
>
> From the WinXP group that is saying something about UPnP
>
> The fault may be in the Network Plug 'n' Play AutoSearch is taking too
> much time.
>
> Again, strip all network and reinstall.
>
> Uh,...what is DM?
>
> Robert
>

[Gary S. Terhune[_2_]]

DM = Device Manager, and take it from me, you want to disable UPnP after
installing SP3. Just the way it is. I have yet to notice any difference from
its missing. Whether it's the cause of *your* problem, I don't know, and I
can't remember what my specific issue was (my brain is mush this morning),
but disabling UPnP fixed it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Robert A. Macy" > wrote in message
...
On Aug 19, 12:18 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> Well my answer to intractable network issues in a single machine is to
> remove ALL of it, just scour the system for anything that has to do with
> networking and remove it, from DM, from Networks folder, make sure the
> right
> drivers are available and then let it reinstall itself.

From the WinXP group that is saying something about UPnP

The fault may be in the Network Plug 'n' Play AutoSearch is taking too
much time.

Again, strip all network and reinstall.

Uh,...what is DM?

Robert