Adobe SUCKS

[oldie]

hope Adobe personell read this;;;;;;;;;

how Weak of you to deny certain computer users of the necessary, Adobe product........ even
though it is free, you deny win98 users knowing full well they will have to 'update' to 'something',
in order to utilise a .pdf. (ps,,,, i Hate pdf's) (ie,, forcing them to 'update' to xp or 2000
or nt or vista,,, and no, i dont give a damn that i typed them out of order... )

today, a friend, non-computer user, brought to me a second-hand 'set top box' so he could tune into
the newer high definition channels on the telly,, but he doesnt have a manual on how to plug what
into what.
i said i would download a manual,,,, but then i ran into ADOBE,,,,,, sure, they got it,,,,
but they wont give it to a win98 user..... what weasels they are,;;;;;;;; i hope they
go broke and the legs of their children all get cancer and rot in front of their own eyes..

what gives adobe the right to dictate what i can or cannot read????
are they so lame that they cant keep up with technology and supply 98 too?
dick-heads!!!!
i spent hours trying to d/l a version that would accept my friends manual, nah,, not even in the
bloody race,,, not one version of adobe was available ...... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

how stoooopid your marketers are,, (and we all know you are making money from your 'free' adobe
reader) because by denying 98 users, you are denying thousands of humans who have wallets.......
what silly ppl you are.
Personally,,, i just think you are pathetic/

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Most doubtful.

oldie wrote:
> hope Adobe personell read this;;;;;;;;;

[Don Phillipson[_5_]]

"oldie" > wrote in message
...

> what gives adobe the right to dictate what i can or cannot read????

The answer is intellectual property viz. copyright. Whether they sell
the software or give it away free, as proprietors Adobe can set the terms
of that sale or gift. Of course this may alienate non-customers: but only
if it alienates potential paying customers is Adobe likely to respond.
That is the way the market is supposed to work, just as you and I are
free to program and distribute PDF readers of our own.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

[dadiOH[_3_]]

oldie wrote:
> hope Adobe personell read this;;;;;;;;;
>
> how Weak of you to deny certain computer users of the necessary,
> Adobe product........ even though it is free, you deny win98
> users knowing full well they will have to 'update' to 'something', in
> order to utilise a .pdf. (ps,,,, i Hate pdf's) (ie,, forcing
> them to 'update' to xp or 2000 or nt or vista

Nonsense...all you have to do is get *another* program to read pdf files.
yes, there are others - like Foxit Reader.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

[Gary S. Terhune[_2_]]

Feel better now?

Which version would you like. I've got pretty much all of them. Here's the
latest to work on Win98. http://grystmill/shared/adbeRdr60_enu_full.exe

Or there's FoxIt.
http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php

Or do some shopping:
http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&newwindow=1&q=pdf+readers

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"oldie" > wrote in message
...
> hope Adobe personell read this;;;;;;;;;
>
> how Weak of you to deny certain computer users of the necessary, Adobe
> product........ even
> though it is free, you deny win98 users knowing full well they will have
> to 'update' to 'something',
> in order to utilise a .pdf. (ps,,,, i Hate pdf's) (ie,, forcing them
> to 'update' to xp or 2000
> or nt or vista,,, and no, i dont give a damn that i typed them out of
> order... )
>
> today, a friend, non-computer user, brought to me a second-hand 'set top
> box' so he could tune into
> the newer high definition channels on the telly,, but he doesnt have a
> manual on how to plug what
> into what.
> i said i would download a manual,,,, but then i ran into ADOBE,,,,,,
> sure, they got it,,,,
> but they wont give it to a win98 user..... what weasels they
> are,;;;;;;;; i hope they
> go broke and the legs of their children all get cancer and rot in front
> of their own eyes..
>
> what gives adobe the right to dictate what i can or cannot read????
> are they so lame that they cant keep up with technology and supply 98 too?
> dick-heads!!!!
> i spent hours trying to d/l a version that would accept my friends manual,
> nah,, not even in the
> bloody race,,, not one version of adobe was available ......
> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>
> how stoooopid your marketers are,, (and we all know you are making money
> from your 'free' adobe
> reader) because by denying 98 users, you are denying thousands of
> humans who have wallets.......
> what silly ppl you are.
> Personally,,, i just think you are pathetic/
>
>

[DaffyD®]

"dadiOH" > wrote in message
...
> oldie wrote:
> > hope Adobe personell read this;;;;;;;;;
> >
> > how Weak of you to deny certain computer users of the necessary,
> > Adobe product........ even though it is free, you deny win98
> > users knowing full well they will have to 'update' to 'something', in
> > order to utilise a .pdf. (ps,,,, i Hate pdf's) (ie,, forcing
> > them to 'update' to xp or 2000 or nt or vista
>
> Nonsense...all you have to do is get *another* program to read pdf files.
> yes, there are others - like Foxit Reader.
>
> --
>
> dadiOH
> ____________________________
>
> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
>
> I use Foxit and prefer it to Adobe. In fact, it works better with
underpowered computers--like mine--because it's not a resource hog.
--
{ : [|]=( DaffyD®

If I knew where I was I'd be there now.

>

[oldie]

> Feel better now?

No, havent achieved anything yet,,, and your link to grystmill comes up with error:: 'couldnt
connect to host'.

> Which version would you like. I've got pretty much all of them. Here's the
> latest to work on Win98. http://grystmill/shared/adbeRdr60_enu_full.exe
>
> Or there's FoxIt.
> http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php

This place is like an 'information giving pool',, rather than just give the product, they
insist on information information information,, all concerning the downloader..... in other words,
the person wishing to download.
Still not happy.

Maybe something got lost in translating my post..... I went to the place where the manual was that
my friend needed, then clicked on download, but a half an hour passed while my 'dun' meter was still
as active as two bunnies in a field, then it bloody froze up on me. My next step was to go to
Adobe, but only to find that they couldnt give two hoots about a consumer,, but rather gave two
hoots about the operating system a consumer was using..... I am gathering this is to do with
big-business and some sort of underhanded agreements made between ceo's of companies forcing the
average joe to purchase later versions of microsoft windows. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Why do these peopel care what operating system I use? Isnt advertiseing their primary objective?
By cutting me off, they lose my eyes veiwing their products...... and lets face it, all I
wanted was a simple piece of paper outlining how to set up a 'set-top-box' for my friends
television. I have no idea why people even consider using Adobe,,, Microsoft word is so much
better and so much easier and so well known,,,, why didnt the manual come in dot.doc format,,
something we All understand.

Hey, if you really want to do us a favour and help, then can you download the bluddy thing so I can
fetch it from you? It is the manual for a 'HVBT-1800' The brand name is 'OLIN'. the
place to download it is " http://olinstyle.com/support.php "
Screen shot attached.
And if you can download it, can you get it in .DOC format, please. I say this because it seems
obvious that my Adobe Reader (cough cough) may not even be able to read some simple text or maybe
jpg's ..... if they were kind enough to supply them to assist a user without a manual.)

Okay,,,, NOW I feel better. (still despise Adobe, and also wonder why the world endeared
itself to them,, when WORD itself is a powerful program and understood by most.... maybe I am
just a Homer.)

[oldie]

Oh,

And if you or anyone here does this for us,, then thanks.

I was just thinking how I would go about it if I had the wherewithall to do this task,, and I
believe the best way to help would be to go fetch the dot.pdf (grrrrr) then copy and paste it into a
Word document and post it back.... does that sound feasable? There would surely be jpg's
involved within the 'manual/instructions' in order to show the user which plugs to plug into what
given the type of television too,, but I cant see any problem in making it happen.

thanks to any and all who help.
(still think Adobe sucks)

[MEB[_2_]]

I've put both of your posts together so the explanations make sense.

In ,
oldie contemplated and posted:

|> Feel better now?
|
| No, havent achieved anything yet,,, and your link to grystmill
| comes up with error:: 'couldnt connect to host'.
|
|> Which version would you like. I've got pretty much all of them.
|> Here's the latest to work on Win98.
|> http://grystmill/shared/adbeRdr60_enu_full.exe
|>
|> Or there's FoxIt.
|> http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php
|
| This place is like an 'information giving pool',, rather than
| just give the product, they insist on information information
| information,, all concerning the downloader..... in other words, the
| person wishing to download.
| Still not happy.
|
| Maybe something got lost in translating my post..... I went to the
| place where the manual was that my friend needed, then clicked on
| download, but a half an hour passed while my 'dun' meter was still as
| active as two bunnies in a field, then it bloody froze up on me.

Try right clicking the link and choose "Save Target As".
NEVER use a PDF reader online [which is what was happening when you
normally clicked the pdf link] unless that is the only way to view it
[protected pdf].
Download the pdf, disconnect from the Internet, and make sure the pdf is
safe. Many now contain JAVA and other scriptingand inclusions which will
connect to sites on the Internet which you will not notice or be able to
control if you have done the viewing online, and/or can be used to install
things on your computer or network. [See the various security bulletins
related to this.]

| My next step was to go to Adobe, but only to find that they couldnt
| give two hoots about a consumer,, but rather gave two hoots about
| the operating system a consumer was using..... I am gathering
| this is to do with big-business and some sort of underhanded
| agreements made between ceo's of companies forcing the average joe to
| purchase later versions of microsoft windows.
| grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Why do these peopel care what
| operating system I use? Isnt advertiseing their primary objective?

In part, but they also want to force you to upgrade hardware, software, and
the scripting and other which allows them to access your computer/network.
Investors see this as their way to make money and they DEMAND a substantial
return for their investment.

| By cutting me off, they lose my eyes veiwing their products......
| and lets face it, all I wanted was a simple piece of paper outlining
| how to set up a 'set-top-box' for my friends television. I have
| no idea why people even consider using Adobe,,, Microsoft word is
| so much better and so much easier and so well known,,,, why didnt
| the manual come in dot.doc format,, something we All understand.

IF you follow the right click download, you can convert it yourself using
one of the pdf format converters.

|
| Hey, if you really want to do us a favour and help, then can you
| download the bluddy thing so I can fetch it from you? It is the
| manual for a 'HVBT-1800' The brand name is 'OLIN'. the place
| to download it is " http://olinstyle.com/support.php "
| Screen shot attached.
| And if you can download it, can you get it in .DOC format, please.
| I say this because it seems obvious that my Adobe Reader (cough
| cough) may not even be able to read some simple text or maybe jpg's
| ..... if they were kind enough to supply them to assist a user
| without a manual.)

Conversion of a copyrighted PDF [all are copyrighted, even those under GNU
or other] MAY/WILL fall outside the law if offered in total online. Your own
private conversion for *your personal use* comes under "fair use". Excerpts
{small/short} MAY be allowed online, however they must be carefully linked
to the original site/pdf and/or noticably referenced to the original
copyright holder.
The original copyright owner MAY assign certain of their authorities and
authorizations to others, but the material and presentation MUST comply with
that allowance.

|
| Okay,,,, NOW I feel better. (still despise Adobe, and
| also wonder why the world endeared itself to them,, when WORD itself
| is a powerful program and understood by most.... maybe I am just
| a Homer.)

The MS Word format is NOT a good format for online usage or offer. It can
be used to transfer macros, scripting, and other embedded activities which
can not be adaquately protected against [disabling macros doesn't provide
complete protection]. For review of these issues, note the number of MS
Office based updates and hotfixes that have been issued by MS, and the
recommendations to completely disallow and/or strictly monitor these
products on many security/firewall sites/discussion groups.

| Oh,
|
| And if you or anyone here does this for us,, then thanks.
|
| I was just thinking how I would go about it if I had the wherewithall
| to do this task,, and I believe the best way to help would be to
| go fetch the dot.pdf (grrrrr) then copy and paste it into a Word
| document and post it back.... does that sound feasable? There
| would surely be jpg's involved within the 'manual/instructions' in
| order to show the user which plugs to plug into what given the type
| of television too,, but I cant see any problem in making it happen.
|
| thanks to any and all who help.
| (still think Adobe sucks)

I'm not overly happy with Adobe either, particularly as the products are
delving deeper into private systems and have become essential tools for
hackers/crackers.

BTW: Adobe Reader for 98 ends at version 6.06. If you intend to use it,
make sure you do the updates, they are around 1 to 3 megs apiece.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

[Gary S. Terhune[_2_]]

1. Try this: http://grystmill.com/shared/AdbeRdr60_enu_full.exe For some
reason, my site is insisting on proper case for the letters. Not supposed to
do that. (But after some of the BS my host has been pulling lately, I figure
I have to change hosts, anyway.)

1A. You didn't try FoxIt?

2. When downloading a PDF, DO NOT just click on it. Right-click it and "Save
Target As", then save it to your Desktop (or wherever.) The Adobe PDF
plug-in for browsers is horrible on older machines and always has been. In
fact, I used to (and sometimes still do) turn that feature off (forget where
the switch is, though) so that when I click on a PDF download link, it acts
like an EXE or other download, asking to be saved, etc. Once it's
downloaded, then I open it.

3. As for you specific download, did you already have some form of Adobe
Reader installed when you tried it, so that it was trying to D/L and open in
the browser at the same time? Or are you on dial-up or something? In any
case, the download link for the PDF worked fine for me, and using the
instructions I gave you, it should work fine for you. I'm not in the habit
of doing things for other people that they aren't perfectly capable of
learning how to do for themselves. Try again, following my instructions, and
then if you still can't get it, I'll see what I can do for you, though I'm a
bit harried today.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"oldie" > wrote in message
...
>
>> Feel better now?
>
> No, havent achieved anything yet,,, and your link to grystmill comes up
> with error:: 'couldnt
> connect to host'.
>
>> Which version would you like. I've got pretty much all of them. Here's
>> the
>> latest to work on Win98. http://grystmill/shared/adbeRdr60_enu_full.exe
>>
>> Or there's FoxIt.
>> http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php
>
> This place is like an 'information giving pool',, rather than just
> give the product, they
> insist on information information information,, all concerning the
> downloader..... in other words,
> the person wishing to download.
> Still not happy.
>
> Maybe something got lost in translating my post..... I went to the place
> where the manual was that
> my friend needed, then clicked on download, but a half an hour passed
> while my 'dun' meter was still
> as active as two bunnies in a field, then it bloody froze up on me. My
> next step was to go to
> Adobe, but only to find that they couldnt give two hoots about a
> consumer,, but rather gave two
> hoots about the operating system a consumer was using..... I am
> gathering this is to do with
> big-business and some sort of underhanded agreements made between ceo's of
> companies forcing the
> average joe to purchase later versions of microsoft windows.
> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
> Why do these peopel care what operating system I use? Isnt advertiseing
> their primary objective?
> By cutting me off, they lose my eyes veiwing their products......
> and lets face it, all I
> wanted was a simple piece of paper outlining how to set up a 'set-top-box'
> for my friends
> television. I have no idea why people even consider using Adobe,,,
> Microsoft word is so much
> better and so much easier and so well known,,,, why didnt the manual come
> in dot.doc format,,
> something we All understand.
>
> Hey, if you really want to do us a favour and help, then can you download
> the bluddy thing so I can
> fetch it from you? It is the manual for a 'HVBT-1800' The brand
> name is 'OLIN'. the
> place to download it is " http://olinstyle.com/support.php "
> Screen shot attached.
> And if you can download it, can you get it in .DOC format, please. I
> say this because it seems
> obvious that my Adobe Reader (cough cough) may not even be able to read
> some simple text or maybe
> jpg's ..... if they were kind enough to supply them to assist a user
> without a manual.)
>
> Okay,,,, NOW I feel better. (still despise Adobe, and also
> wonder why the world endeared
> itself to them,, when WORD itself is a powerful program and understood by
> most.... maybe I am
> just a Homer.)
>
>
>

[RJK[_2_]]

I suspect that the "runtime" version of "Adobe Reader" is a major security
risk.
Despite wading through all its' menus, a hwile ago, and switching off its'
"update" feature, it KEEPS trying to get out onto the web, usually to its'
home site, and despite creating permanent firewall rules to block it -
....it seems to be coded to keep trying alternative methods / ports ?

I've just waded through them again (Adobe v 8.?) and there's all sorts of
rubbish to do with html, javascript, ...media-players !!

I'm going to trawl through and locate all Adobe reader files, particularly
*.exe and permanently block them in my AVG firewall applications list. !

regards, Richard


"oldie" > wrote in message
...
> hope Adobe personell read this;;;;;;;;;
>
> how Weak of you to deny certain computer users of the necessary, Adobe
> product........ even
> though it is free, you deny win98 users knowing full well they will have
> to 'update' to 'something',
> in order to utilise a .pdf. (ps,,,, i Hate pdf's) (ie,, forcing them
> to 'update' to xp or 2000
> or nt or vista,,, and no, i dont give a damn that i typed them out of
> order... )
>
> today, a friend, non-computer user, brought to me a second-hand 'set top
> box' so he could tune into
> the newer high definition channels on the telly,, but he doesnt have a
> manual on how to plug what
> into what.
> i said i would download a manual,,,, but then i ran into ADOBE,,,,,,
> sure, they got it,,,,
> but they wont give it to a win98 user..... what weasels they
> are,;;;;;;;; i hope they
> go broke and the legs of their children all get cancer and rot in front
> of their own eyes..
>
> what gives adobe the right to dictate what i can or cannot read????
> are they so lame that they cant keep up with technology and supply 98 too?
> dick-heads!!!!
> i spent hours trying to d/l a version that would accept my friends manual,
> nah,, not even in the
> bloody race,,, not one version of adobe was available ......
> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>
> how stoooopid your marketers are,, (and we all know you are making money
> from your 'free' adobe
> reader) because by denying 98 users, you are denying thousands of
> humans who have wallets.......
> what silly ppl you are.
> Personally,,, i just think you are pathetic/
>
>

[bobster]

Try FoxIt.

http://www.foxitsoftware.com/downloads/

You will NEVER go back to Adobe for PDF reading. It is a pleasure to use
and is FAST. It's also free.

================================================== ==================
"oldie" > wrote in message
...
hope Adobe personell read this;;;;;;;;;

how Weak of you to deny certain computer users of the necessary, Adobe
product........ even
though it is free, you deny win98 users knowing full well they will have to
'update' to 'something',
in order to utilise a .pdf. (ps,,,, i Hate pdf's) (ie,, forcing them
to 'update' to xp or 2000
or nt or vista,,, and no, i dont give a damn that i typed them out of
order... )

today, a friend, non-computer user, brought to me a second-hand 'set top
box' so he could tune into
the newer high definition channels on the telly,, but he doesnt have a
manual on how to plug what
into what.
i said i would download a manual,,,, but then i ran into ADOBE,,,,,,
sure, they got it,,,,
but they wont give it to a win98 user..... what weasels they
are,;;;;;;;; i hope they
go broke and the legs of their children all get cancer and rot in front of
their own eyes..

what gives adobe the right to dictate what i can or cannot read????
are they so lame that they cant keep up with technology and supply 98 too?
dick-heads!!!!
i spent hours trying to d/l a version that would accept my friends manual,
nah,, not even in the
bloody race,,, not one version of adobe was available ......
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

how stoooopid your marketers are,, (and we all know you are making money
from your 'free' adobe
reader) because by denying 98 users, you are denying thousands of humans
who have wallets.......
what silly ppl you are.
Personally,,, i just think you are pathetic/

[RJK[_2_]]

I just waded through the FAQ's at http://www.foxitsoftware.com/downloads/
....looks hideously complicated, especially the section detailing, in as many
words, "one part belongs to one author, and another part belongs to
different author !!!
....It initially looked attractive but, the more one reads on, the more it
looks like the whole thing is a bucket of nuts and bolts that don't fit
together very well.
....still, I may give it a whirl.

regards, Richard


"bobster" > wrote in message
...
> Try FoxIt.
>
> http://www.foxitsoftware.com/downloads/
>
> You will NEVER go back to Adobe for PDF reading. It is a pleasure to use
> and is FAST. It's also free.
>
> ================================================== ==================
> "oldie" > wrote in message
> ...
> hope Adobe personell read this;;;;;;;;;
>
> how Weak of you to deny certain computer users of the necessary, Adobe
> product........ even
> though it is free, you deny win98 users knowing full well they will have
> to
> 'update' to 'something',
> in order to utilise a .pdf. (ps,,,, i Hate pdf's) (ie,, forcing them
> to 'update' to xp or 2000
> or nt or vista,,, and no, i dont give a damn that i typed them out of
> order... )
>
> today, a friend, non-computer user, brought to me a second-hand 'set top
> box' so he could tune into
> the newer high definition channels on the telly,, but he doesnt have a
> manual on how to plug what
> into what.
> i said i would download a manual,,,, but then i ran into ADOBE,,,,,,
> sure, they got it,,,,
> but they wont give it to a win98 user..... what weasels they
> are,;;;;;;;; i hope they
> go broke and the legs of their children all get cancer and rot in front
> of
> their own eyes..
>
> what gives adobe the right to dictate what i can or cannot read????
> are they so lame that they cant keep up with technology and supply 98 too?
> dick-heads!!!!
> i spent hours trying to d/l a version that would accept my friends manual,
> nah,, not even in the
> bloody race,,, not one version of adobe was available ......
> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>
> how stoooopid your marketers are,, (and we all know you are making money
> from your 'free' adobe
> reader) because by denying 98 users, you are denying thousands of
> humans
> who have wallets.......
> what silly ppl you are.
> Personally,,, i just think you are pathetic/
>
>
>

[dadiOH[_3_]]

RJK wrote:
> I just waded through the FAQ's at
> http://www.foxitsoftware.com/downloads/ ...looks hideously
> complicated, especially the section detailing, in as many words, "one part
> belongs to one author, and another part belongs to
> different author !!! ...It initially looked attractive but, the more
> one reads on, the more it looks like the whole thing is a bucket of
> nuts and bolts that don't fit together very well.
> ...still, I may give it a whirl.

It's really pretty simple...

1. Install Foxit
2. Set Foxit as default PDF reader
3. Click on a PDF
4. Read PDF

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

[oldie]

To all, (and thanks) forgive my non-reply,, forgot about a w/end away from computer.

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message ...
> 1. Try this: http://grystmill.com/shared/AdbeRdr60_enu_full.exe For some
> reason, my site is insisting on proper case for the letters. Not supposed to
> do that. (But after some of the BS my host has been pulling lately, I figure
> I have to change hosts, anyway.)

Gary,, I did download the Adobe you sent me to, and I have it sitting in a folder.
Thing is, while I was downloading it friday, I also read the post from RJK, and havent yet
executed it.. plus this is my first time back at my own pc.
>
> 1A. You didn't try FoxIt?

No, not yet, but will be heading there directly after I post this... especially after reading
other posts on the subject; it does sound like Fox is the way to go,, hope so, because
I am treading water at this stage. (yet still only trying to get a simple document.)

>
> 2. When downloading a PDF, DO NOT just click on it. Right-click it and "Save
> Target As", then save it to your Desktop (or wherever.)

That is the crux of the problem, as Adobe goes into 'Adobe-mode' when I try and download
the document,, it just wants me to download its newer version, knowing full well I am using
windows 98,, then it makes my computer freeze during download.

The Adobe PDF
> plug-in for browsers is horrible on older machines and always has been. In
> fact, I used to (and sometimes still do) turn that feature off (forget where
> the switch is, though) so that when I click on a PDF download link, it acts
> like an EXE or other download, asking to be saved, etc. Once it's
> downloaded, then I open it.
>
> 3. As for you specific download, did you already have some form of Adobe
> Reader installed when you tried it, so that it was trying to D/L and open in
> the browser at the same time?

Not sure what you mean here. Yes, I do have a version of Adobe, 5.0 I think.
It has always opened pdf's prior,, but it sure doesnt want me to get that users
manual. (stupid bluddy Adobe)

Or are you on dial-up or something?

Yes, I am on dial up, as I mentioned before. (and the place you directed me to was for
a 16MB download,, I did it friday night then went to bed.)

In any
> case, the download link for the PDF worked fine for me, and using the
> instructions I gave you, it should work fine for you. I'm not in the habit
> of doing things for other people that they aren't perfectly capable of
> learning how to do for themselves. Try again, following my instructions, and
> then if you still can't get it, I'll see what I can do for you, though I'm a
> bit harried today.

Yes, I followed your instructions,, as odd as they seem. One minute you are telling
me to download Adobe (16MB) and then you are telling me to get Fox?
I guess I am a little confused, but after the post I read from RJK, I am also a bit wary. I
find it hard to believe I have to go through all of this drama/trauma just for an instruction sheet,
would be easier to open a chinese fortune cookie and read whats inside.

Thanks anyhow.
(Adobe Sucks!)

>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "oldie" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >> Feel better now?
> >
> > No, havent achieved anything yet,,, and your link to grystmill comes up
> > with error:: 'couldnt
> > connect to host'.
> >
> >> Which version would you like. I've got pretty much all of them. Here's
> >> the
> >> latest to work on Win98. http://grystmill/shared/adbeRdr60_enu_full.exe
> >>
> >> Or there's FoxIt.
> >> http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php
> >
> > This place is like an 'information giving pool',, rather than just
> > give the product, they
> > insist on information information information,, all concerning the
> > downloader..... in other words,
> > the person wishing to download.
> > Still not happy.
> >
> > Maybe something got lost in translating my post..... I went to the place
> > where the manual was that
> > my friend needed, then clicked on download, but a half an hour passed
> > while my 'dun' meter was still
> > as active as two bunnies in a field, then it bloody froze up on me. My
> > next step was to go to
> > Adobe, but only to find that they couldnt give two hoots about a
> > consumer,, but rather gave two
> > hoots about the operating system a consumer was using..... I am
> > gathering this is to do with
> > big-business and some sort of underhanded agreements made between ceo's of
> > companies forcing the
> > average joe to purchase later versions of microsoft windows.
> > grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
> > Why do these peopel care what operating system I use? Isnt advertiseing
> > their primary objective?
> > By cutting me off, they lose my eyes veiwing their products......
> > and lets face it, all I
> > wanted was a simple piece of paper outlining how to set up a 'set-top-box'
> > for my friends
> > television. I have no idea why people even consider using Adobe,,,
> > Microsoft word is so much
> > better and so much easier and so well known,,,, why didnt the manual come
> > in dot.doc format,,
> > something we All understand.
> >
> > Hey, if you really want to do us a favour and help, then can you download
> > the bluddy thing so I can
> > fetch it from you? It is the manual for a 'HVBT-1800' The brand
> > name is 'OLIN'. the
> > place to download it is " http://olinstyle.com/support.php "
> > Screen shot attached.
> > And if you can download it, can you get it in .DOC format, please. I
> > say this because it seems
> > obvious that my Adobe Reader (cough cough) may not even be able to read
> > some simple text or maybe
> > jpg's ..... if they were kind enough to supply them to assist a user
> > without a manual.)
> >
> > Okay,,,, NOW I feel better. (still despise Adobe, and also
> > wonder why the world endeared
> > itself to them,, when WORD itself is a powerful program and understood by
> > most.... maybe I am
> > just a Homer.)
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[oldie]

> It's really pretty simple...
>
> 1. Install Foxit
> 2. Set Foxit as default PDF reader
> 3. Click on a PDF
> 4. Read PDF
>
> --
>
> dadiOH

You make it seem sooooooo simple dadiOH,, but what about the fact that I cant down load the
damn file in the first place?
Anyway,, I am back at the computer and downloading Foxit as I type, I also downloaded the Adobe
that Gary mentioned, and it is in a folder un-touched since friday night.
I still find it hard to believe I have to go to all this trouble just to get what I want,, any one
would think I was trying to get into 'nasa'.

Thanks for input, I will post back after work tomorrow with results.

[Dan]

Okay, then as others have suggested there are alternatives. It does not help
to continue ranting about Adobe although it may make you feel good and I am
guilty as charged as far as my rants go in the past. Please let us try and
be professional in this newsgroup and also please stay with the original post
so we don't have too many threads out there with the same topic. It confuses
me and it makes the newsgroup look sloppy, imo. Have you contacted Adobe
with your concerns and told them you are not using their software any longer
and you are going to an alternative to read *.pdf files because you are
annoyed at their poor software?

"oldie" wrote:

> To all, (and thanks) forgive my non-reply,, forgot about a w/end away from computer.
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message ...
> > 1. Try this: http://grystmill.com/shared/AdbeRdr60_enu_full.exe For some
> > reason, my site is insisting on proper case for the letters. Not supposed to
> > do that. (But after some of the BS my host has been pulling lately, I figure
> > I have to change hosts, anyway.)
>
> Gary,, I did download the Adobe you sent me to, and I have it sitting in a folder.
> Thing is, while I was downloading it friday, I also read the post from RJK, and havent yet
> executed it.. plus this is my first time back at my own pc.
> >
> > 1A. You didn't try FoxIt?
>
> No, not yet, but will be heading there directly after I post this... especially after reading
> other posts on the subject; it does sound like Fox is the way to go,, hope so, because
> I am treading water at this stage. (yet still only trying to get a simple document.)
>
> >
> > 2. When downloading a PDF, DO NOT just click on it. Right-click it and "Save
> > Target As", then save it to your Desktop (or wherever.)
>
> That is the crux of the problem, as Adobe goes into 'Adobe-mode' when I try and download
> the document,, it just wants me to download its newer version, knowing full well I am using
> windows 98,, then it makes my computer freeze during download.
>
> The Adobe PDF
> > plug-in for browsers is horrible on older machines and always has been. In
> > fact, I used to (and sometimes still do) turn that feature off (forget where
> > the switch is, though) so that when I click on a PDF download link, it acts
> > like an EXE or other download, asking to be saved, etc. Once it's
> > downloaded, then I open it.
> >
> > 3. As for you specific download, did you already have some form of Adobe
> > Reader installed when you tried it, so that it was trying to D/L and open in
> > the browser at the same time?
>
> Not sure what you mean here. Yes, I do have a version of Adobe, 5.0 I think.
> It has always opened pdf's prior,, but it sure doesnt want me to get that users
> manual. (stupid bluddy Adobe)
>
> Or are you on dial-up or something?
>
> Yes, I am on dial up, as I mentioned before. (and the place you directed me to was for
> a 16MB download,, I did it friday night then went to bed.)
>
> In any
> > case, the download link for the PDF worked fine for me, and using the
> > instructions I gave you, it should work fine for you. I'm not in the habit
> > of doing things for other people that they aren't perfectly capable of
> > learning how to do for themselves. Try again, following my instructions, and
> > then if you still can't get it, I'll see what I can do for you, though I'm a
> > bit harried today.
>
> Yes, I followed your instructions,, as odd as they seem. One minute you are telling
> me to download Adobe (16MB) and then you are telling me to get Fox?
> I guess I am a little confused, but after the post I read from RJK, I am also a bit wary. I
> find it hard to believe I have to go through all of this drama/trauma just for an instruction sheet,
> would be easier to open a chinese fortune cookie and read whats inside.
>
> Thanks anyhow.
> (Adobe Sucks!)
>
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS-MVP Shell/User
> > http://grystmill.com
> >
> > "oldie" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > >> Feel better now?
> > >
> > > No, havent achieved anything yet,,, and your link to grystmill comes up
> > > with error:: 'couldnt
> > > connect to host'.
> > >
> > >> Which version would you like. I've got pretty much all of them. Here's
> > >> the
> > >> latest to work on Win98. http://grystmill/shared/adbeRdr60_enu_full.exe
> > >>
> > >> Or there's FoxIt.
> > >> http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php
> > >
> > > This place is like an 'information giving pool',, rather than just
> > > give the product, they
> > > insist on information information information,, all concerning the
> > > downloader..... in other words,
> > > the person wishing to download.
> > > Still not happy.
> > >
> > > Maybe something got lost in translating my post..... I went to the place
> > > where the manual was that
> > > my friend needed, then clicked on download, but a half an hour passed
> > > while my 'dun' meter was still
> > > as active as two bunnies in a field, then it bloody froze up on me. My
> > > next step was to go to
> > > Adobe, but only to find that they couldnt give two hoots about a
> > > consumer,, but rather gave two
> > > hoots about the operating system a consumer was using..... I am
> > > gathering this is to do with
> > > big-business and some sort of underhanded agreements made between ceo's of
> > > companies forcing the
> > > average joe to purchase later versions of microsoft windows.
> > > grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
> > > Why do these peopel care what operating system I use? Isnt advertiseing
> > > their primary objective?
> > > By cutting me off, they lose my eyes veiwing their products......
> > > and lets face it, all I
> > > wanted was a simple piece of paper outlining how to set up a 'set-top-box'
> > > for my friends
> > > television. I have no idea why people even consider using Adobe,,,
> > > Microsoft word is so much
> > > better and so much easier and so well known,,,, why didnt the manual come
> > > in dot.doc format,,
> > > something we All understand.
> > >
> > > Hey, if you really want to do us a favour and help, then can you download
> > > the bluddy thing so I can
> > > fetch it from you? It is the manual for a 'HVBT-1800' The brand
> > > name is 'OLIN'. the
> > > place to download it is " http://olinstyle.com/support.php "
> > > Screen shot attached.
> > > And if you can download it, can you get it in .DOC format, please. I
> > > say this because it seems
> > > obvious that my Adobe Reader (cough cough) may not even be able to read
> > > some simple text or maybe
> > > jpg's ..... if they were kind enough to supply them to assist a user
> > > without a manual.)
> > >
> > > Okay,,,, NOW I feel better. (still despise Adobe, and also
> > > wonder why the world endeared
> > > itself to them,, when WORD itself is a powerful program and understood by
> > > most.... maybe I am
> > > just a Homer.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>

[robot313]

Wow. Oldie you need to take a pill. It is not Adobe's or anyone else's
fault that you are still on Windows 98 with Adobe 5.0 and then wonder
why it won't work. technology advances at blistering speeds and yes it
can be annoying when you buy a piece of electronic equipment and by the
next week it's out dated. but really, windows 98 is 10 years old. It's
time to upgrade... Adobe, like any software company in this day, is
developing software for the platforms and hardware that exist NOW.
Still, you have been given direct links to older versions and
alternative software and you still complain. If you get this upset over
downloading a manual, my you must have a hard time in life.


--
robot313
Posted via http://computerhelpforums.net Forum to USENET Gateway

[Dan]

True, advice but the real question is of Windows 98 internal safety compared
to the external security of Windows XP (9x and NT -- see wikipedia if you
want) and especially Windows Vista which I did security beta testing for
Microsoft as a volunteer. Please see Chris Quirke, MVP discussion about this
because he is well-informed.

http://cquirke.blogspot.com/

http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/

and of course credit to US-Cert

http://www.us-cert.gov/

[Gary S. Terhune[_2_]]

The more I read of your stuff, the more I don't care. Goodbye.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"oldie" > wrote in message
...
> To all, (and thanks) forgive my non-reply,, forgot about a w/end away
> from computer.
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> ...
>> 1. Try this: http://grystmill.com/shared/AdbeRdr60_enu_full.exe For some
>> reason, my site is insisting on proper case for the letters. Not supposed
>> to
>> do that. (But after some of the BS my host has been pulling lately, I
>> figure
>> I have to change hosts, anyway.)
>
> Gary,, I did download the Adobe you sent me to, and I have it sitting
> in a folder.
> Thing is, while I was downloading it friday, I also read the post from
> RJK, and havent yet
> executed it.. plus this is my first time back at my own pc.
>>
>> 1A. You didn't try FoxIt?
>
> No, not yet, but will be heading there directly after I post this...
> especially after reading
> other posts on the subject; it does sound like Fox is the way to go,,
> hope so, because
> I am treading water at this stage. (yet still only trying to get a
> simple document.)
>
>>
>> 2. When downloading a PDF, DO NOT just click on it. Right-click it and
>> "Save
>> Target As", then save it to your Desktop (or wherever.)
>
> That is the crux of the problem, as Adobe goes into 'Adobe-mode' when I
> try and download
> the document,, it just wants me to download its newer version, knowing
> full well I am using
> windows 98,, then it makes my computer freeze during download.
>
> The Adobe PDF
>> plug-in for browsers is horrible on older machines and always has been.
>> In
>> fact, I used to (and sometimes still do) turn that feature off (forget
>> where
>> the switch is, though) so that when I click on a PDF download link, it
>> acts
>> like an EXE or other download, asking to be saved, etc. Once it's
>> downloaded, then I open it.
>>
>> 3. As for you specific download, did you already have some form of Adobe
>> Reader installed when you tried it, so that it was trying to D/L and open
>> in
>> the browser at the same time?
>
> Not sure what you mean here. Yes, I do have a version of Adobe, 5.0 I
> think.
> It has always opened pdf's prior,, but it sure doesnt want me to get
> that users
> manual. (stupid bluddy Adobe)
>
> Or are you on dial-up or something?
>
> Yes, I am on dial up, as I mentioned before. (and the place you directed
> me to was for
> a 16MB download,, I did it friday night then went to bed.)
>
> In any
>> case, the download link for the PDF worked fine for me, and using the
>> instructions I gave you, it should work fine for you. I'm not in the
>> habit
>> of doing things for other people that they aren't perfectly capable of
>> learning how to do for themselves. Try again, following my instructions,
>> and
>> then if you still can't get it, I'll see what I can do for you, though
>> I'm a
>> bit harried today.
>
> Yes, I followed your instructions,, as odd as they seem. One minute
> you are telling
> me to download Adobe (16MB) and then you are telling me to get Fox?
> I guess I am a little confused, but after the post I read from RJK, I am
> also a bit wary. I
> find it hard to believe I have to go through all of this drama/trauma just
> for an instruction sheet,
> would be easier to open a chinese fortune cookie and read whats inside.
>
> Thanks anyhow.
> (Adobe Sucks!)
>
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://grystmill.com
>>
>> "oldie" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> >> Feel better now?
>> >
>> > No, havent achieved anything yet,,, and your link to grystmill comes
>> > up
>> > with error:: 'couldnt
>> > connect to host'.
>> >
>> >> Which version would you like. I've got pretty much all of them. Here's
>> >> the
>> >> latest to work on Win98.
>> >> http://grystmill/shared/adbeRdr60_enu_full.exe
>> >>
>> >> Or there's FoxIt.
>> >> http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php
>> >
>> > This place is like an 'information giving pool',, rather than just
>> > give the product, they
>> > insist on information information information,, all concerning the
>> > downloader..... in other words,
>> > the person wishing to download.
>> > Still not happy.
>> >
>> > Maybe something got lost in translating my post..... I went to the
>> > place
>> > where the manual was that
>> > my friend needed, then clicked on download, but a half an hour passed
>> > while my 'dun' meter was still
>> > as active as two bunnies in a field, then it bloody froze up on me.
>> > My
>> > next step was to go to
>> > Adobe, but only to find that they couldnt give two hoots about a
>> > consumer,, but rather gave two
>> > hoots about the operating system a consumer was using..... I am
>> > gathering this is to do with
>> > big-business and some sort of underhanded agreements made between ceo's
>> > of
>> > companies forcing the
>> > average joe to purchase later versions of microsoft windows.
>> > grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
>> > Why do these peopel care what operating system I use? Isnt
>> > advertiseing
>> > their primary objective?
>> > By cutting me off, they lose my eyes veiwing their products......
>> > and lets face it, all I
>> > wanted was a simple piece of paper outlining how to set up a
>> > 'set-top-box'
>> > for my friends
>> > television. I have no idea why people even consider using Adobe,,,
>> > Microsoft word is so much
>> > better and so much easier and so well known,,,, why didnt the manual
>> > come
>> > in dot.doc format,,
>> > something we All understand.
>> >
>> > Hey, if you really want to do us a favour and help, then can you
>> > download
>> > the bluddy thing so I can
>> > fetch it from you? It is the manual for a 'HVBT-1800' The
>> > brand
>> > name is 'OLIN'. the
>> > place to download it is " http://olinstyle.com/support.php "
>> > Screen shot attached.
>> > And if you can download it, can you get it in .DOC format, please. I
>> > say this because it seems
>> > obvious that my Adobe Reader (cough cough) may not even be able to read
>> > some simple text or maybe
>> > jpg's ..... if they were kind enough to supply them to assist a user
>> > without a manual.)
>> >
>> > Okay,,,, NOW I feel better. (still despise Adobe, and also
>> > wonder why the world endeared
>> > itself to them,, when WORD itself is a powerful program and understood
>> > by
>> > most.... maybe I am
>> > just a Homer.)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

[dadiOH[_3_]]

oldie wrote:
>> It's really pretty simple...
>>
>> 1. Install Foxit
>> 2. Set Foxit as default PDF reader
>> 3. Click on a PDF
>> 4. Read PDF
>>
>> --
>>
>> dadiOH
>
> You make it seem sooooooo simple dadiOH,, but what about the
> fact that I cant down load the damn file in the first place?
> Anyway,, I am back at the computer and downloading Foxit as I type,

You can't d/l it but are d/l it as you type? OK, you confused me.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

[Dan]

From oldie:

"Gary,, I did download the Adobe you sent me to, and I have it sitting
in a folder.
Thing is, while I was downloading it friday, I also read the post from
RJK, and havent yet
executed it.. plus this is my first time back at my own pc. "

I wonder how oldie can put any faith in what RJK has to say. I agree with
your assessment of the situation, Gary. Anyway, I am probably being
offensive to RJK but if it is the same RJK as in the past then I certainly
would not put much if any stock in what RJK has to say.

I really like your updated website now, Gary S. Terhune. It is so awesome.
Anyway, my one suggestion is about Adaware SE that I do not care for it
because it ended up trashing a system once when I ran it to correct things
and because of too many false positives in my workings with it and on my
dad's computer and his name is Ivan. Thanks again Gary for the updated site.

"AdAware SE is no longer being supported, but some have noted that if you
can obtain the application and get its last definitions update, it will at
least catch things that other apps might not." From Gary S. Terhune's
Security article

I would remove this or at least put a disclaimer about the problem(s) with
false positives with Adaware SE and that is just my two cents for what it is
worth.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote: (in response to oldie)

> The more I read of your stuff, the more I don't care. Goodbye.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "oldie" > wrote in message
> ...
> > To all, (and thanks) forgive my non-reply,, forgot about a w/end away
> > from computer.
> >
> > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> > ...
> >> 1. Try this: http://grystmill.com/shared/AdbeRdr60_enu_full.exe For some
> >> reason, my site is insisting on proper case for the letters. Not supposed
> >> to
> >> do that. (But after some of the BS my host has been pulling lately, I
> >> figure
> >> I have to change hosts, anyway.)
> >
> > Gary,, I did download the Adobe you sent me to, and I have it sitting
> > in a folder.
> > Thing is, while I was downloading it friday, I also read the post from
> > RJK, and havent yet
> > executed it.. plus this is my first time back at my own pc.
> >>
> >> 1A. You didn't try FoxIt?
> >
> > No, not yet, but will be heading there directly after I post this...
> > especially after reading
> > other posts on the subject; it does sound like Fox is the way to go,,
> > hope so, because
> > I am treading water at this stage. (yet still only trying to get a
> > simple document.)
> >
> >>
> >> 2. When downloading a PDF, DO NOT just click on it. Right-click it and
> >> "Save
> >> Target As", then save it to your Desktop (or wherever.)
> >
> > That is the crux of the problem, as Adobe goes into 'Adobe-mode' when I
> > try and download
> > the document,, it just wants me to download its newer version, knowing
> > full well I am using
> > windows 98,, then it makes my computer freeze during download.
> >
> > The Adobe PDF
> >> plug-in for browsers is horrible on older machines and always has been.
> >> In
> >> fact, I used to (and sometimes still do) turn that feature off (forget
> >> where
> >> the switch is, though) so that when I click on a PDF download link, it
> >> acts
> >> like an EXE or other download, asking to be saved, etc. Once it's
> >> downloaded, then I open it.
> >>
> >> 3. As for you specific download, did you already have some form of Adobe
> >> Reader installed when you tried it, so that it was trying to D/L and open
> >> in
> >> the browser at the same time?
> >
> > Not sure what you mean here. Yes, I do have a version of Adobe, 5.0 I
> > think.
> > It has always opened pdf's prior,, but it sure doesnt want me to get
> > that users
> > manual. (stupid bluddy Adobe)
> >
> > Or are you on dial-up or something?
> >
> > Yes, I am on dial up, as I mentioned before. (and the place you directed
> > me to was for
> > a 16MB download,, I did it friday night then went to bed.)
> >
> > In any
> >> case, the download link for the PDF worked fine for me, and using the
> >> instructions I gave you, it should work fine for you. I'm not in the
> >> habit
> >> of doing things for other people that they aren't perfectly capable of
> >> learning how to do for themselves. Try again, following my instructions,
> >> and
> >> then if you still can't get it, I'll see what I can do for you, though
> >> I'm a
> >> bit harried today.
> >
> > Yes, I followed your instructions,, as odd as they seem. One minute
> > you are telling
> > me to download Adobe (16MB) and then you are telling me to get Fox?
> > I guess I am a little confused, but after the post I read from RJK, I am
> > also a bit wary. I
> > find it hard to believe I have to go through all of this drama/trauma just
> > for an instruction sheet,
> > would be easier to open a chinese fortune cookie and read whats inside.
> >
> > Thanks anyhow.
> > (Adobe Sucks!)
> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gary S. Terhune
> >> MS-MVP Shell/User
> >> http://grystmill.com
> >>
> >> "oldie" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> >> Feel better now?
> >> >
> >> > No, havent achieved anything yet,,, and your link to grystmill comes
> >> > up
> >> > with error:: 'couldnt
> >> > connect to host'.
> >> >
> >> >> Which version would you like. I've got pretty much all of them. Here's
> >> >> the
> >> >> latest to work on Win98.
> >> >> http://grystmill/shared/adbeRdr60_enu_full.exe
> >> >>
> >> >> Or there's FoxIt.
> >> >> http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php
> >> >
> >> > This place is like an 'information giving pool',, rather than just
> >> > give the product, they
> >> > insist on information information information,, all concerning the
> >> > downloader..... in other words,
> >> > the person wishing to download.
> >> > Still not happy.
> >> >
> >> > Maybe something got lost in translating my post..... I went to the
> >> > place
> >> > where the manual was that
> >> > my friend needed, then clicked on download, but a half an hour passed
> >> > while my 'dun' meter was still
> >> > as active as two bunnies in a field, then it bloody froze up on me.
> >> > My
> >> > next step was to go to
> >> > Adobe, but only to find that they couldnt give two hoots about a
> >> > consumer,, but rather gave two
> >> > hoots about the operating system a consumer was using..... I am
> >> > gathering this is to do with
> >> > big-business and some sort of underhanded agreements made between ceo's
> >> > of
> >> > companies forcing the
> >> > average joe to purchase later versions of microsoft windows.
> >> > grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
> >> > Why do these peopel care what operating system I use? Isnt
> >> > advertiseing
> >> > their primary objective?
> >> > By cutting me off, they lose my eyes veiwing their products......
> >> > and lets face it, all I
> >> > wanted was a simple piece of paper outlining how to set up a
> >> > 'set-top-box'
> >> > for my friends
> >> > television. I have no idea why people even consider using Adobe,,,
> >> > Microsoft word is so much
> >> > better and so much easier and so well known,,,, why didnt the manual
> >> > come
> >> > in dot.doc format,,
> >> > something we All understand.
> >> >
> >> > Hey, if you really want to do us a favour and help, then can you
> >> > download
> >> > the bluddy thing so I can
> >> > fetch it from you? It is the manual for a 'HVBT-1800' The
> >> > brand
> >> > name is 'OLIN'. the
> >> > place to download it is " http://olinstyle.com/support.php "
> >> > Screen shot attached.
> >> > And if you can download it, can you get it in .DOC format, please. I
> >> > say this because it seems
> >> > obvious that my Adobe Reader (cough cough) may not even be able to read
> >> > some simple text or maybe
> >> > jpg's ..... if they were kind enough to supply them to assist a user
> >> > without a manual.)
> >> >
> >> > Okay,,,, NOW I feel better. (still despise Adobe, and also
> >> > wonder why the world endeared
> >> > itself to them,, when WORD itself is a powerful program and understood
> >> > by
> >> > most.... maybe I am
> >> > just a Homer.)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>

[J. P. Gilliver]

oldie wrote:
[]
> Yes, I followed your instructions,, as odd as they seem. One
> minute you are telling
> me to download Adobe (16MB) and then you are telling me to get Fox?
> I guess I am a little confused, but after the post I read from RJK, I
> am also a bit wary. I
> find it hard to believe I have to go through all of this drama/trauma
> just for an instruction sheet, would be easier to open a chinese
> fortune cookie and read whats inside.
[]
They are not telling you to download Adobe (at least most of them aren't).
they are telling you to download the .pdf file you are trying to read - the
manual for a PVR or something, wasn't it? - rather than trying to read it
from inside your browser, and thern open it, from Windows Explorer or
similar. Depending on which you've installed most recently - Adobe or
Foxit - it will open in one of these; if it's Adobe, it is more likely to
say something like "there is a new version, do you want to get it", or
possibly even "this file was created with a newer version than me, some
things won't display right, do you want to get the new one" - but (AFAIK)
you can still say no. (Foxit tends to be less bother, and still renders most
of what's in most .pdf files. A PVR manual isn't likely to have anything
fancy in it anyway - might even just be scanned.)
--
J. P. Gilliver | Tel. +44 1634 203298

[Dan]

J.P. -- thanks for your input. I wonder if oldie is now AWOL in a sense.
<grin>

"J. P. Gilliver" wrote:

> oldie wrote:
> []
> > Yes, I followed your instructions,, as odd as they seem. One
> > minute you are telling
> > me to download Adobe (16MB) and then you are telling me to get Fox?
> > I guess I am a little confused, but after the post I read from RJK, I
> > am also a bit wary. I
> > find it hard to believe I have to go through all of this drama/trauma
> > just for an instruction sheet, would be easier to open a chinese
> > fortune cookie and read whats inside.
> []
> They are not telling you to download Adobe (at least most of them aren't).
> they are telling you to download the .pdf file you are trying to read - the
> manual for a PVR or something, wasn't it? - rather than trying to read it
> from inside your browser, and thern open it, from Windows Explorer or
> similar. Depending on which you've installed most recently - Adobe or
> Foxit - it will open in one of these; if it's Adobe, it is more likely to
> say something like "there is a new version, do you want to get it", or
> possibly even "this file was created with a newer version than me, some
> things won't display right, do you want to get the new one" - but (AFAIK)
> you can still say no. (Foxit tends to be less bother, and still renders most
> of what's in most .pdf files. A PVR manual isn't likely to have anything
> fancy in it anyway - might even just be scanned.)
> --
> J. P. Gilliver | Tel. +44 1634 203298
>
>
>

[Jesse[_2_]]

All of Microsoft Sucks, I only used a pc for Access. Fu@k Windows, GO MAC!!!

[Dan]

Now who needs the chill pill. LOL!! Fool, it is easier to hack an Apple
computer than a Windows Vista computer and then a Ubuntu Unix/Linux computer
and finally the actual safest and most secure is one with 9x consumer source
code technology (98 Second Edition) for internal safety with NT business
source code (Windows Vista) for external security with open source technology
like Mozilla Firefox (not limited to that of course) that has 256 bit AES
(Advanced Encryption Standard) built within. A user then can use
technologies like SpywareBlaster but of course not limited to that to help
safeguard their machine as well as blocking remote code, reading in plain
text, not opening attachments, etc. As long as you safeguard your activities
and use honey pots along the way then you can benefit everyone. Have a nice
day and think before you post next time as I am slowly learning to do. <smile>