Is this bad advice or a bad program or both?

[Greg R]

http://bt.degreez.net/firewalled.html

Kind of make me think this program is spyware.

Greg R

[Jason Tsang]

The app itself works fine.

--
Jason Tsang - Microsoft MVP

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"Greg R" > wrote in message
...
> http://bt.degreez.net/firewalled.html
>
> Kind of make me think this program is spyware.
>
> Greg R

[Richard G. Harper]

You should probably find out what BitTorrent is before you pass judgment on
it. :-)

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"Greg R" > wrote in message
...
> http://bt.degreez.net/firewalled.html
>
> Kind of make me think this program is spyware.
>
> Greg R

[Greg R]

On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 23:20:33 -0400, "Richard G. Harper"
> wrote:

>You should probably find out what BitTorrent is before you pass judgment on
>it. :-)

Duh Richard? What do you think I am asking? This is why I posted to
xp as well 98 group to get people comment on this program and how it
works for each system. I didn't pass Judgement except for one point.
This sites says to disable your firewall. That is bad advice. Yes
you can allow it access to the port.

Since I have ghost image backup. I tried it. It was not faster than
a normal download at all. (I was downloading mozilla alpha for the
record). Yes I gave bittorrent full access.


Greg R

[Gary S. Terhune]

Are you *sure* you know what BT is designed to do?
http://btfaq.com/cgi-bin/fom?file=2

It's not something you put on your own machine to enhance download speeds.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"Greg R" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 23:20:33 -0400, "Richard G. Harper"
> > wrote:
>
> >You should probably find out what BitTorrent is before you pass judgment
on
> >it. :-)
>
> Duh Richard? What do you think I am asking? This is why I posted to
> xp as well 98 group to get people comment on this program and how it
> works for each system. I didn't pass Judgement except for one point.
> This sites says to disable your firewall. That is bad advice. Yes
> you can allow it access to the port.
>
> Since I have ghost image backup. I tried it. It was not faster than
> a normal download at all. (I was downloading mozilla alpha for the
> record). Yes I gave bittorrent full access.
>
>
> Greg R

[Greg R]

On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:12:48 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> wrote:

>Are you *sure* you know what BT is designed to do?
>http://btfaq.com/cgi-bin/fom?file=2
>
>It's not something you put on your own machine to enhance download speeds.

Garry check this out
http://dessent.net/btfaq/

Scoll down too "How does BitTorrent compare to other forms of file
transfer?"

[Gary S. Terhune]

I understand. But as I see it, if you are going to test it, you have to test
it on a network that is BT enabled, not just any old download. What you put
on your own machine is a client. What you download has to be from a
BT-enabled server (and the network that includes other BT clients.) You said
you tried it on Mozilla Alpha--are you certain that the download was started
from a BT-enabled server, and if so, how many peers and seeds might there be
online at the moment? All of these are parameters and many more need to be
considered, and even if they are all available, the only difference you are
going to see is if there is a heavy demand on the server when you try the
server-only download.

Yes, disabling the firewall is a bad idea, but that's not what the page you
originally referred to says to do. Heck, look farther down the page you just
linked to. It's all laid out in great gory detail. It says to open certain
ports for the specific purpose of letting BT do its thing. Whether or not
opening those specific ports is wise, I don't know. Firewalls are not my
bailiwick. But your questions and responses are, honestly, such that one
must wonder how well you understand the entire BT concept in the first
place.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"Greg R" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:12:48 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
> > wrote:
>
> >Are you *sure* you know what BT is designed to do?
> >http://btfaq.com/cgi-bin/fom?file=2
> >
> >It's not something you put on your own machine to enhance download
speeds.
>
> Garry check this out
> http://dessent.net/btfaq/
>
> Scoll down too "How does BitTorrent compare to other forms of file
> transfer?"

[Greg R]

Gary
After reading some sites. I understand it to be a file sharing
client. Even through mozilla.org try's to fool you In my opinion.

I can't even understand why they want to use a program like that.
http://www.mozilla.org/releases/#1.8a1

I just got confused. One place I read it said downloads would be
faster.

Greg R


>On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 16:33:59 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" > wrote:

>I understand. But as I see it, if you are going to test it, you have to test
>it on a network that is BT enabled, not just any old download. What you put
>on your own machine is a client. What you download has to be from a
>BT-enabled server (and the network that includes other BT clients.) You said
>you tried it on Mozilla Alpha--are you certain that the download was started
>from a BT-enabled server, and if so, how many peers and seeds might there be
>online at the moment? All of these are parameters and many more need to be
>considered, and even if they are all available, the only difference you are
>going to see is if there is a heavy demand on the server when you try the
>server-only download.
>
>Yes, disabling the firewall is a bad idea, but that's not what the page you
>originally referred to says to do. Heck, look farther down the page you just
>linked to. It's all laid out in great gory detail. It says to open certain
>ports for the specific purpose of letting BT do its thing. Whether or not
>opening those specific ports is wise, I don't know. Firewalls are not my
>bailiwick. But your questions and responses are, honestly, such that one
>must wonder how well you understand the entire BT concept in the first
>place.

[Jason Tsang]

The site says you should allow the app access to the listening ports that it
wants.

By default, most bittorrent windows use ports 6881-6999. As long as you
open those ports, you'll get much increased speeds.

--
Jason Tsang - Microsoft MVP

Find out about the MS MVP Program -
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx

"Greg R" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 23:20:33 -0400, "Richard G. Harper"
> > wrote:
>
> >You should probably find out what BitTorrent is before you pass judgment
on
> >it. :-)
>
> Duh Richard? What do you think I am asking? This is why I posted to
> xp as well 98 group to get people comment on this program and how it
> works for each system. I didn't pass Judgement except for one point.
> This sites says to disable your firewall. That is bad advice. Yes
> you can allow it access to the port.
>
> Since I have ghost image backup. I tried it. It was not faster than
> a normal download at all. (I was downloading mozilla alpha for the
> record). Yes I gave bittorrent full access.
>
>
> Greg R

[Richard G. Harper]

That's not how I read your "question" at all. I read it as a comment that
you considered BitTorrent was untrustworthy because you need to open up lots
of ports for it to work correctly. If you had said something more like,
"Why does BitTorrent need a lot of open ports?" that would have been a much
more clear request for information.

Since almost every BitTorrent client site, as well as the main BitTorrent
site itself, has FAQs that explain how the program works, I ass-u-med you
had read them and was not happy with what you read - not that you hadn't
read them at all and wanted someone to explain the concept to you.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Win9x]
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Greg R" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 23:20:33 -0400, "Richard G. Harper"
> > wrote:
>
> >You should probably find out what BitTorrent is before you pass
> >judgment on it. :-)
>
> Duh Richard? What do you think I am asking?

[Gary S. Terhune]

I'm not going to pass judgment on what it is good for and what it isn't, or
what people use it for. As a technique, it's interesting, and not inherently
risky as far as I can see. Of course, the level of risk might depend heavily
on the company you keep, <s>.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"Greg R" > wrote in message
...
> Gary
> After reading some sites. I understand it to be a file sharing
> client. Even through mozilla.org try's to fool you In my opinion.
>
> I can't even understand why they want to use a program like that.
> http://www.mozilla.org/releases/#1.8a1
>
> I just got confused. One place I read it said downloads would be
> faster.
>
> Greg R
>
>
> >On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 16:33:59 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" >
wrote:
>
> >I understand. But as I see it, if you are going to test it, you have to
test
> >it on a network that is BT enabled, not just any old download. What you
put
> >on your own machine is a client. What you download has to be from a
> >BT-enabled server (and the network that includes other BT clients.) You
said
> >you tried it on Mozilla Alpha--are you certain that the download was
started
> >from a BT-enabled server, and if so, how many peers and seeds might there
be
> >online at the moment? All of these are parameters and many more need to
be
> >considered, and even if they are all available, the only difference you
are
> >going to see is if there is a heavy demand on the server when you try the
> >server-only download.
> >
> >Yes, disabling the firewall is a bad idea, but that's not what the page
you
> >originally referred to says to do. Heck, look farther down the page you
just
> >linked to. It's all laid out in great gory detail. It says to open
certain
> >ports for the specific purpose of letting BT do its thing. Whether or not
> >opening those specific ports is wise, I don't know. Firewalls are not my
> >bailiwick. But your questions and responses are, honestly, such that one
> >must wonder how well you understand the entire BT concept in the first
> >place.
>

[Greg R]

Richard quit assume what you don't know.

Gee wiz, I just didn’t title my post correctly.
I was manually asking at first is the program safe to use also wanting
peoples opinion on this program. Then I get a little confused with
that faq. The other faq said to open all ports.

I got confused because mozilla says it could be downloaded
http://mozilla.org/releases/#1.8a1
Via BitTorrent

To me this sound like an ftp program not file sharing program. Yes I
know it is.

Richard you may be partially right I should of said I want people
opinion on how bt works and is it safe to allow access to those ports.

Note, I never used a file sharing program before. (Except I have
done dcc through irc)


Greg R