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Aina Nilsen
May 9th 04, 06:52 PM
Hi,
I have an IBM Aptiva 2178-840 with 128 RAM, now I tried to add more ram and
bought another 128 MB. The card installs without a problem and the system
seems to work fine, but just before the icons are placed on the desktop in
windows the system freezes and it is impossible to do an Alt, Ctrl, Del. I
have tried to restart the system in safe mode and that works well, it opens
all the way and tells me that I now have 256 MB RAM, but I don't know where
to go from here to have it work in regular mode as well?

I did a "clean up" on the computer last night, and checked for AD-ware
earlier today, so I don't think that is a problem.

Aina


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Ron Badour
May 9th 04, 07:53 PM
Try removing the new ram and see if the boot problem continues. If not,
change the slots and install the new ram where the old one was and the old
one in the empty slot. Sometimes ram modules will not match and problems
ensue; however, I don't recall hearing of that happening but not when in
safe mode.

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Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
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"Aina Nilsen" > wrote in message
...
> Hi,
> I have an IBM Aptiva 2178-840 with 128 RAM, now I tried to add more ram
and
> bought another 128 MB. The card installs without a problem and the system
> seems to work fine, but just before the icons are placed on the desktop in
> windows the system freezes and it is impossible to do an Alt, Ctrl, Del.
I
> have tried to restart the system in safe mode and that works well, it
opens
> all the way and tells me that I now have 256 MB RAM, but I don't know
where
> to go from here to have it work in regular mode as well?
>
> I did a "clean up" on the computer last night, and checked for AD-ware
> earlier today, so I don't think that is a problem.
>
> Aina
>
>
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Peter C.
May 12th 04, 06:51 PM
>-----Original Message-----
>Hi,
>I have an IBM Aptiva 2178-840 with 128 RAM, now I tried
to add more ram and
>bought another 128 MB. The card installs without a
problem and the system
>seems to work fine, but just before the icons are placed
on the desktop in
>windows the system freezes and it is impossible to do an
Alt, Ctrl, Del. I
>have tried to restart the system in safe mode and that
works well, it opens
>all the way and tells me that I now have 256 MB RAM, but
I don't know where
>to go from here to have it work in regular mode as well?
>
>I did a "clean up" on the computer last night, and
checked for AD-ware
>earlier today, so I don't think that is a problem.
>
>Aina
>
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>.Since the machine recognizes the total amount of Ram, it
sounds like they are imcompatible. I'm not sure what type
of Ram that is in the Aptiva, so my first comment is that
you may not have matched the new Ram with the same type as
the existing, i.e. DDR, SDR, EDO with or without error
correction, my second question is did you buy Ram specific
for IBM? Dell, IBM, Compaq usually "tweek" their ram so
quite often other types of Ram do not work well in these
machines. Hope this helps you solve your problem.
>

Aina Nilsen
May 15th 04, 11:52 AM
"Ron Badour" > skrev i melding
...
> Try removing the new ram and see if the boot problem continues. If not,
> change the slots and install the new ram where the old one was and the old
> one in the empty slot. Sometimes ram modules will not match and problems
> ensue; however, I don't recall hearing of that happening but not when in
> safe mode.
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
> Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
> Knowledge Base Info:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo
>
> "Aina Nilsen" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi,
> > I have an IBM Aptiva 2178-840 with 128 RAM, now I tried to add more ram
> and
> > bought another 128 MB. The card installs without a problem and the
system
> > seems to work fine, but just before the icons are placed on the desktop
in
> > windows the system freezes and it is impossible to do an Alt, Ctrl, Del.
> I
> > have tried to restart the system in safe mode and that works well, it
> opens
> > all the way and tells me that I now have 256 MB RAM, but I don't know
> where
> > to go from here to have it work in regular mode as well?
> >
> > I did a "clean up" on the computer last night, and checked for AD-ware
> > earlier today, so I don't think that is a problem.
> >
> > Aina
> >
I'm sorry to be late getting back to you, but I can only work on the
computer on weekends most of the time

Without the new RAM I have no boot problems. I tried to change the slots,
but then the computer froze after giving me the first screen telling it is
an Apitva. I was told to press F1 to go to control ? (translation), but
nothing happened if I tried that.

Aina


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Aina Nilsen
May 15th 04, 11:54 AM
"Peter C." > skrev i melding
...
>
> >-----Original Message-----
snip>
> >---
>
> >
> >.Since the machine recognizes the total amount of Ram, it
> sounds like they are imcompatible. I'm not sure what type
> of Ram that is in the Aptiva, so my first comment is that
> you may not have matched the new Ram with the same type as
> the existing, i.e. DDR, SDR, EDO with or without error
> correction, my second question is did you buy Ram specific
> for IBM? Dell, IBM, Compaq usually "tweek" their ram so
> quite often other types of Ram do not work well in these
> machines. Hope this helps you solve your problem.
> >
I'm sorry to be late getting back to you, but I can only work on the
computer on weekends most of the time.

It should be the same type of Ram, but it isn't IBM spesific, so I may have
a problem with that. I'm just surprised that it seems to work half way,
since it seems to be working in safe mode. I assumed that if I needed IBM
spesific Ram it would not work at all?

Aina,
who will never buy an IBM or other brand name PC again. My even older "bits
and pieces" clone never gave me this kind of trouble.




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Andrew H. Carter (Applied ROT 17 Left ; for Email
May 15th 04, 01:44 PM
On Sat, 15 May 2004 12:54:07 +0200, "Aina Nilsen" >
wrote:

>
>"Peter C." > skrev i melding
...
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>snip>
>> >---
>>
>> >
>> >.Since the machine recognizes the total amount of Ram, it
>> sounds like they are imcompatible. I'm not sure what type
>> of Ram that is in the Aptiva, so my first comment is that
>> you may not have matched the new Ram with the same type as
>> the existing, i.e. DDR, SDR, EDO with or without error
>> correction, my second question is did you buy Ram specific
>> for IBM? Dell, IBM, Compaq usually "tweek" their ram so
>> quite often other types of Ram do not work well in these
>> machines. Hope this helps you solve your problem.
>> >
>I'm sorry to be late getting back to you, but I can only work on the
>computer on weekends most of the time.
>
>It should be the same type of Ram, but it isn't IBM spesific, so I may have
>a problem with that. I'm just surprised that it seems to work half way,
>since it seems to be working in safe mode. I assumed that if I needed IBM
>spesific Ram it would not work at all?
>
>Aina,
>who will never buy an IBM or other brand name PC again. My even older "bits
>and pieces" clone never gave me this kind of trouble.
>

Try going to PNY and see what type of RAM you need according to their
Configurator: http://www.pny.com/configurator/ , perhaps you have the
totally wrong type. I was able to max out my RAM via that method:

Size PNY Part Number Retail Part Number OEM Part Number
64MB SDR Module 6480YESEM 64S100 308877-001
128MB SDR Module 6416ZESEM 128S100 308878-001



Additional Specs for Presario 5304
Machine Type: Desktops/Servers
Manufacturer: Compaq
Model: Presario 5304
Standard Memory: 64 MB (removable)
Number of sockets for upgrade: 3
Maximum amount of memory: 384 MB
Memory must be installed in sets of: 1
Bus Type: PCI/ISA/AGP
HardDisk Bustype: UDMA
CPU: 366MHz Cyrix M II
Standard Videos: 4 MB
Max Video:
Video Slots:
Video Comments: Integrated 2X AGP 3D Graphics
HardDisk Comments: 4.3 GB UltrDMA
Model Comments:
CPU Comments:
Native OS: Windows 98

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Sincerely,

Andrew H. Carter

Aina Nilsen
May 16th 04, 10:25 AM
"Andrew H. Carter (Applied ROT 17 Left ; for Email do ROT 17 right)"
> skrev i melding
...
> On Sat, 15 May 2004 12:54:07 +0200, "Aina Nilsen" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Peter C." > skrev i melding
> ...
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >snip>
> >> >---
> >>
> >> >
> >> >.Since the machine recognizes the total amount of Ram, it
> >> sounds like they are imcompatible. I'm not sure what type
> >> of Ram that is in the Aptiva, so my first comment is that
> >> you may not have matched the new Ram with the same type as
> >> the existing, i.e. DDR, SDR, EDO with or without error
> >> correction, my second question is did you buy Ram specific
> >> for IBM? Dell, IBM, Compaq usually "tweek" their ram so
> >> quite often other types of Ram do not work well in these
> >> machines. Hope this helps you solve your problem.
> >> >
> >I'm sorry to be late getting back to you, but I can only work on the
> >computer on weekends most of the time.
> >
> >It should be the same type of Ram, but it isn't IBM spesific, so I may
have
> >a problem with that. I'm just surprised that it seems to work half way,
> >since it seems to be working in safe mode. I assumed that if I needed IBM
> >spesific Ram it would not work at all?
> >
> >Aina,
> >who will never buy an IBM or other brand name PC again. My even older
"bits
> >and pieces" clone never gave me this kind of trouble.
> >
>
> Try going to PNY and see what type of RAM you need according to their
> Configurator: http://www.pny.com/configurator/ , perhaps you have the
> totally wrong type. I was able to max out my RAM via that method:
>
> Size PNY Part Number Retail Part Number OEM Part Number
> 64MB SDR Module 6480YESEM 64S100 308877-001
> 128MB SDR Module 6416ZESEM 128S100 308878-001
>

Thank you for the link, unfortunately I could not find my computer, they
didn't seem to have the IBM Aptiva 2178-840 on their lists.

kind regards
Aina



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Andrew H. Carter
May 16th 04, 11:38 AM
On Sun, 16 May 2004 11:25:02 +0200, "Aina Nilsen" >
wrote:

>
>"Andrew H. Carter (Applied ROT 17 Left ; for Email do ROT 17 right)"
> skrev i melding
...
>> On Sat, 15 May 2004 12:54:07 +0200, "Aina Nilsen" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Peter C." > skrev i melding
>> ...
>> >>
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >snip>
>> >> >---
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >.Since the machine recognizes the total amount of Ram, it
>> >> sounds like they are imcompatible. I'm not sure what type
>> >> of Ram that is in the Aptiva, so my first comment is that
>> >> you may not have matched the new Ram with the same type as
>> >> the existing, i.e. DDR, SDR, EDO with or without error
>> >> correction, my second question is did you buy Ram specific
>> >> for IBM? Dell, IBM, Compaq usually "tweek" their ram so
>> >> quite often other types of Ram do not work well in these
>> >> machines. Hope this helps you solve your problem.
>> >> >
>> >I'm sorry to be late getting back to you, but I can only work on the
>> >computer on weekends most of the time.
>> >
>> >It should be the same type of Ram, but it isn't IBM spesific, so I may
>have
>> >a problem with that. I'm just surprised that it seems to work half way,
>> >since it seems to be working in safe mode. I assumed that if I needed IBM
>> >spesific Ram it would not work at all?
>> >
>> >Aina,
>> >who will never buy an IBM or other brand name PC again. My even older
>"bits
>> >and pieces" clone never gave me this kind of trouble.
>> >
>>
>> Try going to PNY and see what type of RAM you need according to their
>> Configurator: http://www.pny.com/configurator/ , perhaps you have the
>> totally wrong type. I was able to max out my RAM via that method:
>>
>> Size PNY Part Number Retail Part Number OEM Part Number
>> 64MB SDR Module 6480YESEM 64S100 308877-001
>> 128MB SDR Module 6416ZESEM 128S100 308878-001
>>
>
>Thank you for the link, unfortunately I could not find my computer, they
>didn't seem to have the IBM Aptiva 2178-840 on their lists.
>
>kind regards
>Aina
>

Well, that just bytes, hopefully there is a guru locally who can tell you
what type you need, or tweak your machine.

--

Sincerely,

Andrew H. Carter

Ron Badour
May 16th 04, 02:04 PM
Did you try the new ram only? If it works OK, then the problem is seemingly
that the old and new ram do not match. What I cannot explain is why the PC
boots in safe mode--it makes no sense to me but maybe I am overlooking
something. If nobody offers an explanation here, I suggest you contact the
maker of the new ram and ask for their help.

--
Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"Aina Nilsen" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ron Badour" > skrev i melding
> ...
> > Try removing the new ram and see if the boot problem continues. If not,
> > change the slots and install the new ram where the old one was and the
old
> > one in the empty slot. Sometimes ram modules will not match and
problems
> > ensue; however, I don't recall hearing of that happening but not when in
> > safe mode.
> >
> > --
> > Regards
> >
> > Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
> > Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
> > Knowledge Base Info:
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo
> >
> > "Aina Nilsen" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Hi,
> > > I have an IBM Aptiva 2178-840 with 128 RAM, now I tried to add more
ram
> > and
> > > bought another 128 MB. The card installs without a problem and the
> system
> > > seems to work fine, but just before the icons are placed on the
desktop
> in
> > > windows the system freezes and it is impossible to do an Alt, Ctrl,
Del.
> > I
> > > have tried to restart the system in safe mode and that works well, it
> > opens
> > > all the way and tells me that I now have 256 MB RAM, but I don't know
> > where
> > > to go from here to have it work in regular mode as well?
> > >
> > > I did a "clean up" on the computer last night, and checked for AD-ware
> > > earlier today, so I don't think that is a problem.
> > >
> > > Aina
> > >
> I'm sorry to be late getting back to you, but I can only work on the
> computer on weekends most of the time
>
> Without the new RAM I have no boot problems. I tried to change the slots,
> but then the computer froze after giving me the first screen telling it is
> an Apitva. I was told to press F1 to go to control ? (translation), but
> nothing happened if I tried that.
>
> Aina
>
>
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>
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>
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Aina Nilsen
May 16th 04, 02:52 PM
I didn't think of trying that one alone, I will try just to see if the
match is the problem. I bought the ram at a store that sells computer parts
with all kind of other stuff, so I doubt they can help me. But it wasn't too
much money, so if I can't make it work it has to be written off as a
learning experience. As I said before, I think I will avoid brand name
computers in the future, they seem more expensive to upgrade than the
clones.

regards
Aina

"Ron Badour" > skrev i melding
...
> Did you try the new ram only? If it works OK, then the problem is
seemingly
> that the old and new ram do not match. What I cannot explain is why the
PC
> boots in safe mode--it makes no sense to me but maybe I am overlooking
> something. If nobody offers an explanation here, I suggest you contact
the
> maker of the new ram and ask for their help.
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
> Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
> Knowledge Base Info:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo
>
> "Aina Nilsen" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Ron Badour" > skrev i melding
> > ...
> > > Try removing the new ram and see if the boot problem continues. If
not,
> > > change the slots and install the new ram where the old one was and the
> old
> > > one in the empty slot. Sometimes ram modules will not match and
> problems
> > > ensue; however, I don't recall hearing of that happening but not when
in
> > > safe mode.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
> > > Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
> > > Knowledge Base Info:
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo
> > >
> > > "Aina Nilsen" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Hi,
> > > > I have an IBM Aptiva 2178-840 with 128 RAM, now I tried to add more
> ram
> > > and
> > > > bought another 128 MB. The card installs without a problem and the
> > system
> > > > seems to work fine, but just before the icons are placed on the
> desktop
> > in
> > > > windows the system freezes and it is impossible to do an Alt, Ctrl,
> Del.
> > > I
> > > > have tried to restart the system in safe mode and that works well,
it
> > > opens
> > > > all the way and tells me that I now have 256 MB RAM, but I don't
know
> > > where
> > > > to go from here to have it work in regular mode as well?
> > > >
> > > > I did a "clean up" on the computer last night, and checked for
AD-ware
> > > > earlier today, so I don't think that is a problem.
> > > >
> > > > Aina
> > > >
> > I'm sorry to be late getting back to you, but I can only work on the
> > computer on weekends most of the time
> >
> > Without the new RAM I have no boot problems. I tried to change the
slots,
> > but then the computer froze after giving me the first screen telling it
is
> > an Apitva. I was told to press F1 to go to control ? (translation), but
> > nothing happened if I tried that.
> >
> > Aina
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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Aina Nilsen
May 16th 04, 02:53 PM
"Andrew H. Carter" > skrev i melding
...
> On Sun, 16 May 2004 11:25:02 +0200, "Aina Nilsen" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Andrew H. Carter (Applied ROT 17 Left ; for Email do ROT 17 right)"
> > skrev i melding
> ...
> >> On Sat, 15 May 2004 12:54:07 +0200, "Aina Nilsen"
>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Peter C." > skrev i melding
> >> ...
> >> >>
> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >snip>
> >> >> >---
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >.Since the machine recognizes the total amount of Ram, it
> >> >> sounds like they are imcompatible. I'm not sure what type
> >> >> of Ram that is in the Aptiva, so my first comment is that
> >> >> you may not have matched the new Ram with the same type as
> >> >> the existing, i.e. DDR, SDR, EDO with or without error
> >> >> correction, my second question is did you buy Ram specific
> >> >> for IBM? Dell, IBM, Compaq usually "tweek" their ram so
> >> >> quite often other types of Ram do not work well in these
> >> >> machines. Hope this helps you solve your problem.
> >> >> >
> >> >I'm sorry to be late getting back to you, but I can only work on the
> >> >computer on weekends most of the time.
> >> >
> >> >It should be the same type of Ram, but it isn't IBM spesific, so I may
> >have
> >> >a problem with that. I'm just surprised that it seems to work half
way,
> >> >since it seems to be working in safe mode. I assumed that if I needed
IBM
> >> >spesific Ram it would not work at all?
> >> >
> >> >Aina,
> >> >who will never buy an IBM or other brand name PC again. My even older
> >"bits
> >> >and pieces" clone never gave me this kind of trouble.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Try going to PNY and see what type of RAM you need according to their
> >> Configurator: http://www.pny.com/configurator/ , perhaps you have the
> >> totally wrong type. I was able to max out my RAM via that method:
> >>
> >> Size PNY Part Number Retail Part Number OEM Part Number
> >> 64MB SDR Module 6480YESEM 64S100 308877-001
> >> 128MB SDR Module 6416ZESEM 128S100 308878-001
> >>
> >
> >Thank you for the link, unfortunately I could not find my computer, they
> >didn't seem to have the IBM Aptiva 2178-840 on their lists.
> >
> >kind regards
> >Aina
> >
>
> Well, that just bytes, hopefully there is a guru locally who can tell you
> what type you need, or tweak your machine.
>
> --

I'm sure that if I ask IBM they will help me, I tried to use a cheaper
source but it turns out to be not so clever.

regards
Aina



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Ron Badour
May 16th 04, 04:02 PM
I meant check with the maker of the ram--not the store that sells it.

I have been buying Dells for years and have had no problems to speak
of--highly recommended company. When it comes to Ram, I have gotten lucky
matching no-name (or lesser known brands) and having them work OK; however,
when it came down to ordering ram for my laptop, I went to Crucial since
laptops can be very finicky with parts. Crucial guarantees the ram will
work.

--
Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"Aina Nilsen" > wrote in message
...
> I didn't think of trying that one alone, I will try just to see if the
> match is the problem. I bought the ram at a store that sells computer
parts
> with all kind of other stuff, so I doubt they can help me. But it wasn't
too
> much money, so if I can't make it work it has to be written off as a
> learning experience. As I said before, I think I will avoid brand name
> computers in the future, they seem more expensive to upgrade than the
> clones.
>
> regards
> Aina
>
> "Ron Badour" > skrev i melding
> ...
> > Did you try the new ram only? If it works OK, then the problem is
> seemingly
> > that the old and new ram do not match. What I cannot explain is why the
> PC
> > boots in safe mode--it makes no sense to me but maybe I am overlooking
> > something. If nobody offers an explanation here, I suggest you contact
> the
> > maker of the new ram and ask for their help.
> >
> > --
> > Regards
> >
> > Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
> > Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
> > Knowledge Base Info:
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo
> >
> > "Aina Nilsen" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Ron Badour" > skrev i melding
> > > ...
> > > > Try removing the new ram and see if the boot problem continues. If
> not,
> > > > change the slots and install the new ram where the old one was and
the
> > old
> > > > one in the empty slot. Sometimes ram modules will not match and
> > problems
> > > > ensue; however, I don't recall hearing of that happening but not
when
> in
> > > > safe mode.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
> > > > Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
> > > > Knowledge Base Info:
> > > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo
> > > >
> > > > "Aina Nilsen" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > I have an IBM Aptiva 2178-840 with 128 RAM, now I tried to add
more
> > ram
> > > > and
> > > > > bought another 128 MB. The card installs without a problem and the
> > > system
> > > > > seems to work fine, but just before the icons are placed on the
> > desktop
> > > in
> > > > > windows the system freezes and it is impossible to do an Alt,
Ctrl,
> > Del.
> > > > I
> > > > > have tried to restart the system in safe mode and that works well,
> it
> > > > opens
> > > > > all the way and tells me that I now have 256 MB RAM, but I don't
> know
> > > > where
> > > > > to go from here to have it work in regular mode as well?
> > > > >
> > > > > I did a "clean up" on the computer last night, and checked for
> AD-ware
> > > > > earlier today, so I don't think that is a problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Aina
> > > > >
> > > I'm sorry to be late getting back to you, but I can only work on the
> > > computer on weekends most of the time
> > >
> > > Without the new RAM I have no boot problems. I tried to change the
> slots,
> > > but then the computer froze after giving me the first screen telling
it
> is
> > > an Apitva. I was told to press F1 to go to control ? (translation),
but
> > > nothing happened if I tried that.
> > >
> > > Aina
> > >
> > >
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