Filesharing: XP & ME

[Ed]

I have a lan setup using a Netgear FM114P modem. I've been using it a
long time, mostly for
filesharing and sharing of a DSL modem.

The problem is after I switch my primary computer (Goliath) to XP
Professional I have not been able to
get to shared directories on one of my other machines running ME
(OldGoliath). The ME shared directories
show up under MyNetworkPlaces on the XP, but when I try to access
those directories I'm
asked for a password. The dialog seems to be asking for a machine/user
password, i.e.,
it says password OldGoliath/Guest. I've tried the Windows login
password for the Guest user on
the ME machine, the login password for the admin user on the ME
machine, and the password
for the shared directory. It will not accept any of them. I have
another XP machine on the network
and have exactly the same problem from it, so i know it's something on
the ME machine.

BTW, I can access the shared file on Goliath from OldGoliath.

My suspicion is there is something in the ME registry left over from
the Win95 that was on it years ago.
I say that since if I select OldGolith in the Microsoft Windows
Network tree from Windows Explorer
and look at its Properties it says Type: Windows 95 Workstation. It's
almost as if it thinks I have
specified User level access control, but I have not.

Anyone have any idea how I can straighten this out?

TIA

Ed

[N. Miller]

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:45:27 -0700, Ed wrote:

> I have a lan setup using a Netgear FM114P modem. I've been using it a
> long time, mostly for
> filesharing and sharing of a DSL modem.
>
> The problem is after I switch my primary computer (Goliath) to XP
> Professional I have not been able to
> get to shared directories on one of my other machines running ME
> (OldGoliath). The ME shared directories
> show up under MyNetworkPlaces on the XP, but when I try to access
> those directories I'm
> asked for a password. The dialog seems to be asking for a machine/user
> password, i.e.,
> it says password OldGoliath/Guest. I've tried the Windows login
> password for the Guest user on
> the ME machine, the login password for the admin user on the ME
> machine, and the password
> for the shared directory. It will not accept any of them. I have
> another XP machine on the network
> and have exactly the same problem from it, so i know it's something on
> the ME machine.
>
> BTW, I can access the shared file on Goliath from OldGoliath.
>
> My suspicion is there is something in the ME registry left over from
> the Win95 that was on it years ago.
> I say that since if I select OldGolith in the Microsoft Windows
> Network tree from Windows Explorer
> and look at its Properties it says Type: Windows 95 Workstation. It's
> almost as if it thinks I have
> specified User level access control, but I have not.
>
> Anyone have any idea how I can straighten this out?

When you created the shared folders on the Windows ME computer, you
probably created password protected shares. At least, in my experience,
if a Windows ME shared resource is password protected, the Windows XP
computer requests a password. If you don't know the passwords (which are
not the Guest, or other user passwords of a WinXP setup), or you don't
want the shares password protected, just "unshare" the resource on the
Windows ME computer, then share it again. When you re-establish the
share, either write down the new share name and password, or don't set a
password on the share.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

[Ed]

"N. Miller" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:45:27 -0700, Ed wrote:
>
>> I have a lan setup using a Netgear FM114P modem. I've been using it
>> a
>> long time, mostly for
>> filesharing and sharing of a DSL modem.
>>
>> The problem is after I switch my primary computer (Goliath) to XP
>> Professional I have not been able to
>> get to shared directories on one of my other machines running ME
>> (OldGoliath). The ME shared directories
>> show up under MyNetworkPlaces on the XP, but when I try to access
>> those directories I'm
>> asked for a password. The dialog seems to be asking for a
>> machine/user
>> password, i.e.,
>> it says password OldGoliath/Guest. I've tried the Windows login
>> password for the Guest user on
>> the ME machine, the login password for the admin user on the ME
>> machine, and the password
>> for the shared directory. It will not accept any of them. I have
>> another XP machine on the network
>> and have exactly the same problem from it, so i know it's something
>> on
>> the ME machine.
>>
>> BTW, I can access the shared file on Goliath from OldGoliath.
>>
>> My suspicion is there is something in the ME registry left over
>> from
>> the Win95 that was on it years ago.
>> I say that since if I select OldGolith in the Microsoft Windows
>> Network tree from Windows Explorer
>> and look at its Properties it says Type: Windows 95 Workstation.
>> It's
>> almost as if it thinks I have
>> specified User level access control, but I have not.
>>
>> Anyone have any idea how I can straighten this out?
>
> When you created the shared folders on the Windows ME computer, you
> probably created password protected shares. At least, in my
> experience,
> if a Windows ME shared resource is password protected, the Windows
> XP
> computer requests a password. If you don't know the passwords (which
> are
> not the Guest, or other user passwords of a WinXP setup), or you
> don't
> want the shares password protected, just "unshare" the resource on
> the
> Windows ME computer, then share it again. When you re-establish the
> share, either write down the new share name and password, or don't
> set a
> password on the share.
>

Thanks, Norman.

I do know the password of the shared directories on the ME machine,
but it doesn't work.
IOW, I've done what you suggested.

What exactly does want? Is it asking for:
(a) the shared directory on the ME machine I am trying to access
(b) the password of the Guest user on the ME machine
(c) the password of the user on the XP machine from which the access
is being attempted

Ed

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

In article >, "Ed"
> wrote:
>I have a lan setup using a Netgear FM114P modem. I've been using it a
>long time, mostly for
>filesharing and sharing of a DSL modem.
>
>The problem is after I switch my primary computer (Goliath) to XP
>Professional I have not been able to
>get to shared directories on one of my other machines running ME
>(OldGoliath). The ME shared directories
>show up under MyNetworkPlaces on the XP, but when I try to access
>those directories I'm
>asked for a password. The dialog seems to be asking for a machine/user
>password, i.e.,
>it says password OldGoliath/Guest. I've tried the Windows login
>password for the Guest user on
>the ME machine, the login password for the admin user on the ME
>machine, and the password
>for the shared directory. It will not accept any of them. I have
>another XP machine on the network
>and have exactly the same problem from it, so i know it's something on
>the ME machine.
>
>BTW, I can access the shared file on Goliath from OldGoliath.
>
>My suspicion is there is something in the ME registry left over from
>the Win95 that was on it years ago.
>I say that since if I select OldGolith in the Microsoft Windows
>Network tree from Windows Explorer
>and look at its Properties it says Type: Windows 95 Workstation. It's
>almost as if it thinks I have
>specified User level access control, but I have not.
>
>Anyone have any idea how I can straighten this out?
>
>TIA
>
>Ed

When you access a password-protected Windows 95/98/Me shared directory
from Windows XP, the password prompt always shows the name of the
computer that owns the share, followed by the account name "Guest".
It's prompting for the password that you assigned to the shared
directory on 95/98/Me, not for the password of any user account.

I agree with Norman's suggestion: un-share the shared directory on Me,
then re-share it with the desired password and try accessing it from
XP again.

If that doesn't fix the problem, try this on the XP Pro computer: go
to Control Panel > User Accounts, click your user account, click
"Manage my network passwords", and remove any stored passwords for
network shares. Then try accessing the share again.
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[Ed]

"Steve Winograd [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> When you access a password-protected Windows 95/98/Me shared
> directory
> from Windows XP, the password prompt always shows the name of the
> computer that owns the share, followed by the account name "Guest".
> It's prompting for the password that you assigned to the shared
> directory on 95/98/Me, not for the password of any user account.
>
> I agree with Norman's suggestion: un-share the shared directory on
> Me,
> then re-share it with the desired password and try accessing it from
> XP again.
>
> If that doesn't fix the problem, try this on the XP Pro computer: go
> to Control Panel > User Accounts, click your user account, click
> "Manage my network passwords", and remove any stored passwords for
> network shares. Then try accessing the share again.
> --

Steve, Norman:

Tried it all. Only thing that works is to share without a password. If
I give it a password in the share and try to
access it I am asked for a password, but it will not accept that
password.

Thanks anyway.

Ed

[Ed]

The more I think about this the more I begin to think it's an XP
problem. I now realize
that when I share a directory on one of my XP machines there is no
place to give a password.
So, what it amounts to is the way I have my network set up, if I want
to share a directory
it is without password protection. Since the Netgear router is a
firewall, I guess that's
OK.

Ed

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

In article >, "Ed"
> wrote:
>The more I think about this the more I begin to think it's an XP
>problem. I now realize
>that when I share a directory on one of my XP machines there is no
>place to give a password.
>So, what it amounts to is the way I have my network set up, if I want
>to share a directory
>it is without password protection. Since the Netgear router is a
>firewall, I guess that's
>OK.
>
>Ed

Windows XP doesn't have a way to define passwords for its shared
folders. Only Windows 95, 98, and Me do.

Your router will prevent other people on the Internet from accessing
your shared folders. A firewall program on each computer (XP's
built-in firewall or a third-party program) would add a second layer
of access protection.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

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[N. Miller]

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:04:38 -0700, Ed wrote:

> Thanks, Norman.
>
> I do know the password of the shared directories on the ME machine,
> but it doesn't work.
> IOW, I've done what you suggested.
>
> What exactly does want? Is it asking for:
> (a) the shared directory on the ME machine I am trying to access
> (b) the password of the Guest user on the ME machine
> (c) the password of the user on the XP machine from which the access
> is being attempted

Based on the Windows XP computer on my LAN, when Windows XP tries to
access a password protected share on the Windows ME computer, it passes
a password request from the Windows ME computer to the Windows XP user.
I can't get to the Windows XP computer, right now. In the past, I have
just left the user as the Windows ME computer name, and the password for
the Windows ME shared resource. If you are splitting between a read-only
password, and a full access password on the Windows ME computer, you
might need to change that to full access only.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

[N. Miller]

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:04:38 -0700, Ed wrote:

> What exactly does want? Is it asking for:
> (a) the shared directory on the ME machine I am trying to access

This one. I just had a chance to check. The password box that popped up
was preloaded with the User Name: "Megumi/Guest". I put in the password
I had set for the share on the Windows ME computer (Megumi) without
changing the User Name. Windows XP got access to the shared folder on
the Windows ME computer.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

[Ed]

"Steve Winograd [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
>
> Windows XP doesn't have a way to define passwords for its shared
> folders. Only Windows 95, 98, and Me do.
>
> Your router will prevent other people on the Internet from accessing
> your shared folders. A firewall program on each computer (XP's
> built-in firewall or a third-party program) would add a second layer
> of access protection.
> --
> Best Wishes,
> Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Thanks, Steve.

That's what I noticed. Yet, Xp Professional is supposed to be a more
secure environment,
so it would seem that PW protected shares would be better. Wonder why
they took it away?
My guess is they are discouraging sharing of directories, pushing
instead putting things
into the Shared Documents directory structure. I find that a nuisance.

Ed

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

In article >, "Ed"
> wrote:
>
>"Steve Winograd [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Windows XP doesn't have a way to define passwords for its shared
>> folders. Only Windows 95, 98, and Me do.
>>
>> Your router will prevent other people on the Internet from accessing
>> your shared folders. A firewall program on each computer (XP's
>> built-in firewall or a third-party program) would add a second layer
>> of access protection.
>> --
>> Best Wishes,
>> Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
>
>Thanks, Steve.
>
>That's what I noticed. Yet, Xp Professional is supposed to be a more
>secure environment,
>so it would seem that PW protected shares would be better. Wonder why
>they took it away?
>My guess is they are discouraging sharing of directories, pushing
>instead putting things
>into the Shared Documents directory structure. I find that a nuisance.
>
>Ed

They took PW protection away in XP because XP is based on Windows NT
and 2000, which never had password protection. XP isn't based on
Windows 95/98/Me.

Windows XP has a way to control access to shared folders that's much
more powerful and secure than passwords. Ron Lowe and I have written
a web page with details:

Windows XP Professional File Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_filesharing/index.htm
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Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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