Windows Me+Partitions

[Dapper Dan]

I have been reading the thread <How Much Space for Windows Me> and the
recommendations to move My Documents and certain other folders to a new
partition. It would appear that there may be many of us out there operating
with all our files on one partition, not because we want to be
irresponsible, but rather because we don't know any better. Accordingly, I
would be most interested in detailed instructions on how to proceed and what
additional software is required. Also I would assume that if it's
recommended for Me, it also must be for other operating systems, including
XP?

If one of you should be so kind, I'm confident it will be appreciated by
more than a few.

[Noel Paton]

Dan
The only extra software required is a partition manager - assuming you don't
want to start again from a bare hard drive and use fdisk/format.
Personally, I use BooItNG (BING for short) from www.bootitng.com or
www.terabyteunlimited.com
I used also to recommend Partition Magic (despite its higher price) but that
has now been bought by Symantec, and I refuse to recommend their products!

using a partition manager (or at least a decent one) allows you to adjust
partition sizes while still retaining data on the system (backups are
essential though, as things can go wrong!) - FDSIK can't do that!
everyone has their own partition scheme - in my XP system here, I use 10
partitions (on 2 drives), for various things -it's really up to you how to
split them.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

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"Dapper Dan" > wrote in message
...
>I have been reading the thread <How Much Space for Windows Me> and the
>recommendations to move My Documents and certain other folders to a new
>partition. It would appear that there may be many of us out there operating
>with all our files on one partition, not because we want to be
>irresponsible, but rather because we don't know any better. Accordingly, I
>would be most interested in detailed instructions on how to proceed and
>what additional software is required. Also I would assume that if it's
>recommended for Me, it also must be for other operating systems, including
>XP?
>
> If one of you should be so kind, I'm confident it will be appreciated by
> more than a few.
>

[Mike M]

> ... if it's recommended for Me, it also must be for other
> operating systems, including XP?

IMO, yes.

> Accordingly, I would be most interested in detailed instructions on
> how to proceed and what additional software is required.

No special software is required but much customisation is made easier
using TweakUI (see below).

OE Message Store. Relocate using OE | Tools | Options | Maintenance |
Store Folder.
My Documents. Relocate by right clicking on My Documents, either In
Windows Explorer or the Desktop, select Properties, and on the Target tab
you will find the option to change the target folder (including it's name)
and location.
TMP and TEMP objects. Edit Autoexec.bat using a text editor such as
notepad and change the target from C:\Windows\Temp to your new location
TIF (Temporary Internet Files). Relocate using Control Panel | Internet
Options | General | Settings where you will find a "Move Folder" button.
Desktop, Favourites, My Music, My Photos, My Videos. Relocate using
TweakUI. On the My Computer tab you will find a section "Special
Folders". Note do NOT have two different special folders pointing to the
same location.
Address Book. This requires using Regedit (Start | Run | type Regedit in
the box and click OK. Browse in the left hand pane to
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\WAB\WAB4\Wab File Name
and then in the right hand pane, double click the key (Default) and amend
the data to the new location of the address book.
SwapFile (win386.swp). System Properties | Performance | Virtual Memory.
Click "let me specify my own virtual memory settings, Change the drive
using the drop down box and click OK. Reboot. Repeat but now click "Let
windows manage my virtual memory settings" and reboot. Win Me is now
managing your VM but the swap file is now located on the drive you chose.

Additional customisation is possible but this should be enough to be
getting on with for the moment. <vbg>

Notes on TweakUI.
If you haven't got TweakUI the Win Me compatible version (1.33) can be
downloaded from Microsoft
(http://www.microsoft.com/ntworkstation/downloads/powertoys/networking/nttweakui.asp)
and installed as follows:

Download to a folder with a short name (e.g. C:\Tweak), run to extract
components, right click on tweakui.inf and then install, close the help
window that comes up to allow install to finish. C:\Tweak can now be
deleted and TweakUI accessed via the Control Panel.

Just a few words of caution if you are new to using TweakUI on Win Me.
a) Do not change the first icon (My Documents) on the Desktop tab.
Doing this causes a number of script errors in Special Folders when using
either WebView or Active desktop.
b) Do not uncheck "Search Results" on the Desktop tab.
Doing this disables the Search in Explorer.
c) Do not hide the TweakUI icon on the Control Panel tab.
d) Do not uncheck "Show Control Panel on Start Menu" on the IE tab.
Doing this will prevent you from accessing the Control Panel including
TweakUI.
e) Do not uncheck "Shell Enhancements" on the IE tab.
This causes quite a few unexpected "problems".
--
Mike Maltby



Dapper Dan > wrote:

> I have been reading the thread <How Much Space for Windows Me> and the
> recommendations to move My Documents and certain other folders to a
> new partition. It would appear that there may be many of us out there
> operating with all our files on one partition, not because we want to
> be irresponsible, but rather because we don't know any better.
> Accordingly, I would be most interested in detailed instructions on
> how to proceed and what additional software is required. Also I would
> assume that if it's recommended for Me, it also must be for other
> operating systems, including XP?
>
> If one of you should be so kind, I'm confident it will be appreciated
> by more than a few.

[Dapper Dan]

Thanks for responding so quickly, Noel & Mike.

Noel, I visited the sites you referred me to and I'm not sure I read it
correctly, but it appears that BootItNG is available free of charge and it
does both the partitioning and the disk image. If so, it's unbelievable!
However I will return to the sites and read up on it this evening.

Mike, thanks for the details. I'd like to read up on it a bit further too
and put my ducks in order, so that I can come back and ask intelligent
questions before proceeding. I suspect this may be a double edged prong;
create a partition for day/day operations and maybe a partition for disk
imaging.

I'll be back.

Dan

"Mike M" > wrote in message
...
>> ... if it's recommended for Me, it also must be for other
>> operating systems, including XP?
>
> IMO, yes.
>
>> Accordingly, I would be most interested in detailed instructions on
>> how to proceed and what additional software is required.
>
> No special software is required but much customisation is made easier
> using TweakUI (see below).
>
> OE Message Store. Relocate using OE | Tools | Options | Maintenance |
> Store Folder.
> My Documents. Relocate by right clicking on My Documents, either In
> Windows Explorer or the Desktop, select Properties, and on the Target tab
> you will find the option to change the target folder (including it's name)
> and location.
> TMP and TEMP objects. Edit Autoexec.bat using a text editor such as
> notepad and change the target from C:\Windows\Temp to your new location
> TIF (Temporary Internet Files). Relocate using Control Panel | Internet
> Options | General | Settings where you will find a "Move Folder" button.
> Desktop, Favourites, My Music, My Photos, My Videos. Relocate using
> TweakUI. On the My Computer tab you will find a section "Special
> Folders". Note do NOT have two different special folders pointing to the
> same location.
> Address Book. This requires using Regedit (Start | Run | type Regedit in
> the box and click OK. Browse in the left hand pane to
> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\WAB\WAB4\Wab File Name
> and then in the right hand pane, double click the key (Default) and amend
> the data to the new location of the address book.
> SwapFile (win386.swp). System Properties | Performance | Virtual Memory.
> Click "let me specify my own virtual memory settings, Change the drive
> using the drop down box and click OK. Reboot. Repeat but now click "Let
> windows manage my virtual memory settings" and reboot. Win Me is now
> managing your VM but the swap file is now located on the drive you chose.
>
> Additional customisation is possible but this should be enough to be
> getting on with for the moment. <vbg>
>
> Notes on TweakUI.
> If you haven't got TweakUI the Win Me compatible version (1.33) can be
> downloaded from Microsoft
> (http://www.microsoft.com/ntworkstation/downloads/powertoys/networking/nttweakui.asp)
> and installed as follows:
>
> Download to a folder with a short name (e.g. C:\Tweak), run to extract
> components, right click on tweakui.inf and then install, close the help
> window that comes up to allow install to finish. C:\Tweak can now be
> deleted and TweakUI accessed via the Control Panel.
>
> Just a few words of caution if you are new to using TweakUI on Win Me.
> a) Do not change the first icon (My Documents) on the Desktop tab.
> Doing this causes a number of script errors in Special Folders when using
> either WebView or Active desktop.
> b) Do not uncheck "Search Results" on the Desktop tab.
> Doing this disables the Search in Explorer.
> c) Do not hide the TweakUI icon on the Control Panel tab.
> d) Do not uncheck "Show Control Panel on Start Menu" on the IE tab.
> Doing this will prevent you from accessing the Control Panel including
> TweakUI.
> e) Do not uncheck "Shell Enhancements" on the IE tab.
> This causes quite a few unexpected "problems".
> --
> Mike Maltby
>
>
>
> Dapper Dan > wrote:
>
>> I have been reading the thread <How Much Space for Windows Me> and the
>> recommendations to move My Documents and certain other folders to a
>> new partition. It would appear that there may be many of us out there
>> operating with all our files on one partition, not because we want to
>> be irresponsible, but rather because we don't know any better.
>> Accordingly, I would be most interested in detailed instructions on
>> how to proceed and what additional software is required. Also I would
>> assume that if it's recommended for Me, it also must be for other
>> operating systems, including XP?
>>
>> If one of you should be so kind, I'm confident it will be appreciated
>> by more than a few.
>

[Noel Paton]

BootItNG is available as a trial version for 30-day trials (fully
functional) - after that you have to pay for it.
However - if you can't get your system sorted to your satisfaction within 30
days, then you have a problem! <g>


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"Dapper Dan" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks for responding so quickly, Noel & Mike.
>
> Noel, I visited the sites you referred me to and I'm not sure I read it
> correctly, but it appears that BootItNG is available free of charge and it
> does both the partitioning and the disk image. If so, it's unbelievable!
> However I will return to the sites and read up on it this evening.
>
> Mike, thanks for the details. I'd like to read up on it a bit further too
> and put my ducks in order, so that I can come back and ask intelligent
> questions before proceeding. I suspect this may be a double edged prong;
> create a partition for day/day operations and maybe a partition for disk
> imaging.
>
> I'll be back.
>
> Dan
>
> "Mike M" > wrote in message
> ...
>>> ... if it's recommended for Me, it also must be for other
>>> operating systems, including XP?
>>
>> IMO, yes.
>>
>>> Accordingly, I would be most interested in detailed instructions on
>>> how to proceed and what additional software is required.
>>
>> No special software is required but much customisation is made easier
>> using TweakUI (see below).
>>
>> OE Message Store. Relocate using OE | Tools | Options | Maintenance |
>> Store Folder.
>> My Documents. Relocate by right clicking on My Documents, either In
>> Windows Explorer or the Desktop, select Properties, and on the Target tab
>> you will find the option to change the target folder (including it's
>> name) and location.
>> TMP and TEMP objects. Edit Autoexec.bat using a text editor such as
>> notepad and change the target from C:\Windows\Temp to your new location
>> TIF (Temporary Internet Files). Relocate using Control Panel | Internet
>> Options | General | Settings where you will find a "Move Folder" button.
>> Desktop, Favourites, My Music, My Photos, My Videos. Relocate using
>> TweakUI. On the My Computer tab you will find a section "Special
>> Folders". Note do NOT have two different special folders pointing to the
>> same location.
>> Address Book. This requires using Regedit (Start | Run | type Regedit in
>> the box and click OK. Browse in the left hand pane to
>> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\WAB\WAB4\Wab File Name
>> and then in the right hand pane, double click the key (Default) and amend
>> the data to the new location of the address book.
>> SwapFile (win386.swp). System Properties | Performance | Virtual Memory.
>> Click "let me specify my own virtual memory settings, Change the drive
>> using the drop down box and click OK. Reboot. Repeat but now click "Let
>> windows manage my virtual memory settings" and reboot. Win Me is now
>> managing your VM but the swap file is now located on the drive you chose.
>>
>> Additional customisation is possible but this should be enough to be
>> getting on with for the moment. <vbg>
>>
>> Notes on TweakUI.
>> If you haven't got TweakUI the Win Me compatible version (1.33) can be
>> downloaded from Microsoft
>> (http://www.microsoft.com/ntworkstation/downloads/powertoys/networking/nttweakui.asp)
>> and installed as follows:
>>
>> Download to a folder with a short name (e.g. C:\Tweak), run to extract
>> components, right click on tweakui.inf and then install, close the help
>> window that comes up to allow install to finish. C:\Tweak can now be
>> deleted and TweakUI accessed via the Control Panel.
>>
>> Just a few words of caution if you are new to using TweakUI on Win Me.
>> a) Do not change the first icon (My Documents) on the Desktop tab.
>> Doing this causes a number of script errors in Special Folders when using
>> either WebView or Active desktop.
>> b) Do not uncheck "Search Results" on the Desktop tab.
>> Doing this disables the Search in Explorer.
>> c) Do not hide the TweakUI icon on the Control Panel tab.
>> d) Do not uncheck "Show Control Panel on Start Menu" on the IE tab.
>> Doing this will prevent you from accessing the Control Panel including
>> TweakUI.
>> e) Do not uncheck "Shell Enhancements" on the IE tab.
>> This causes quite a few unexpected "problems".
>> --
>> Mike Maltby
>>
>>
>>
>> Dapper Dan > wrote:
>>
>>> I have been reading the thread <How Much Space for Windows Me> and the
>>> recommendations to move My Documents and certain other folders to a
>>> new partition. It would appear that there may be many of us out there
>>> operating with all our files on one partition, not because we want to
>>> be irresponsible, but rather because we don't know any better.
>>> Accordingly, I would be most interested in detailed instructions on
>>> how to proceed and what additional software is required. Also I would
>>> assume that if it's recommended for Me, it also must be for other
>>> operating systems, including XP?
>>>
>>> If one of you should be so kind, I'm confident it will be appreciated
>>> by more than a few.
>>
>
>

[Dapper Dan]

Gentlemen

Did a bit more research, and as Noel subsequently revealed, BootItNG is
indeed free on a fully functional 30 day trial basis. And as he also
indicated,
if I can't get everything sorted out in 30 days, then I may be in a lot
deeper than I thought <not so VBG>.

Mike, with respect to your recommendations, here are my questions;

*You discuss 7 items (OE Message Store/My Documents etc etc). Does this
imply 7 separate partitions or are they all grouped into a single partition?
*If the answer to the above is only one additional partition, is there a
specific location for some of these in the newly created partition, i.e.
should Swapfile be placed at the beginning, or does it matter?
*Again, assuming the answer to the first question is one partition for the
whole group, does it make sense to create a special partition for Backups
(for imaging)?
*On my Me computer (Compaq), I have one harddrive and two partitions, C&D.
I'm not sure of this but I believe the D partition simply holds the recovery
system. If I repartition C into several partitions, what should I do with D?
Add to it or ignore it?
*My new XP computer is huge, by my standards, at 250 GB. I'd like to
partition at least 150 GB, if not more, for future use, simply because I
just don't need that much. Does that make any sense? (BTW my old desktop has
an 8 GB HDD of which, after 5 years, 4 GB remain free and the laptop has a10
GB HDD of
which 6 GB are free, so as you can see I really don't need a huge capacity).

I think that's enough to get me going. Depending on your answers, I'll be
ready to start doing something tomorrow. I just replaced my old Win 98SE
computer, but it's still hooked up, so I'm ready to experiment with it and
go from there.

Thanks to both of you for your continued support.

Dan

"Noel Paton" > wrote in message
...
> BootItNG is available as a trial version for 30-day trials (fully
> functional) - after that you have to pay for it.
> However - if you can't get your system sorted to your satisfaction within
> 30 days, then you have a problem! <g>
>
>
> --
> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)
>
> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>
> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
> "Dapper Dan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Thanks for responding so quickly, Noel & Mike.
>>
>> Noel, I visited the sites you referred me to and I'm not sure I read it
>> correctly, but it appears that BootItNG is available free of charge and
>> it does both the partitioning and the disk image. If so, it's
>> unbelievable! However I will return to the sites and read up on it this
>> evening.
>>
>> Mike, thanks for the details. I'd like to read up on it a bit further too
>> and put my ducks in order, so that I can come back and ask intelligent
>> questions before proceeding. I suspect this may be a double edged prong;
>> create a partition for day/day operations and maybe a partition for disk
>> imaging.
>>
>> I'll be back.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> "Mike M" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>> ... if it's recommended for Me, it also must be for other
>>>> operating systems, including XP?
>>>
>>> IMO, yes.
>>>
>>>> Accordingly, I would be most interested in detailed instructions on
>>>> how to proceed and what additional software is required.
>>>
>>> No special software is required but much customisation is made easier
>>> using TweakUI (see below).
>>>
>>> OE Message Store. Relocate using OE | Tools | Options | Maintenance |
>>> Store Folder.
>>> My Documents. Relocate by right clicking on My Documents, either In
>>> Windows Explorer or the Desktop, select Properties, and on the Target
>>> tab you will find the option to change the target folder (including it's
>>> name) and location.
>>> TMP and TEMP objects. Edit Autoexec.bat using a text editor such as
>>> notepad and change the target from C:\Windows\Temp to your new location
>>> TIF (Temporary Internet Files). Relocate using Control Panel | Internet
>>> Options | General | Settings where you will find a "Move Folder" button.
>>> Desktop, Favourites, My Music, My Photos, My Videos. Relocate using
>>> TweakUI. On the My Computer tab you will find a section "Special
>>> Folders". Note do NOT have two different special folders pointing to
>>> the same location.
>>> Address Book. This requires using Regedit (Start | Run | type Regedit
>>> in the box and click OK. Browse in the left hand pane to
>>> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\WAB\WAB4\Wab File Name
>>> and then in the right hand pane, double click the key (Default) and
>>> amend the data to the new location of the address book.
>>> SwapFile (win386.swp). System Properties | Performance | Virtual
>>> Memory. Click "let me specify my own virtual memory settings, Change the
>>> drive using the drop down box and click OK. Reboot. Repeat but now
>>> click "Let windows manage my virtual memory settings" and reboot. Win
>>> Me is now managing your VM but the swap file is now located on the drive
>>> you chose.
>>>
>>> Additional customisation is possible but this should be enough to be
>>> getting on with for the moment. <vbg>
>>>
>>> Notes on TweakUI.
>>> If you haven't got TweakUI the Win Me compatible version (1.33) can be
>>> downloaded from Microsoft
>>> (http://www.microsoft.com/ntworkstation/downloads/powertoys/networking/nttweakui.asp)
>>> and installed as follows:
>>>
>>> Download to a folder with a short name (e.g. C:\Tweak), run to extract
>>> components, right click on tweakui.inf and then install, close the help
>>> window that comes up to allow install to finish. C:\Tweak can now be
>>> deleted and TweakUI accessed via the Control Panel.
>>>
>>> Just a few words of caution if you are new to using TweakUI on Win Me.
>>> a) Do not change the first icon (My Documents) on the Desktop tab.
>>> Doing this causes a number of script errors in Special Folders when
>>> using
>>> either WebView or Active desktop.
>>> b) Do not uncheck "Search Results" on the Desktop tab.
>>> Doing this disables the Search in Explorer.
>>> c) Do not hide the TweakUI icon on the Control Panel tab.
>>> d) Do not uncheck "Show Control Panel on Start Menu" on the IE tab.
>>> Doing this will prevent you from accessing the Control Panel including
>>> TweakUI.
>>> e) Do not uncheck "Shell Enhancements" on the IE tab.
>>> This causes quite a few unexpected "problems".
>>> --
>>> Mike Maltby
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dapper Dan > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been reading the thread <How Much Space for Windows Me> and the
>>>> recommendations to move My Documents and certain other folders to a
>>>> new partition. It would appear that there may be many of us out there
>>>> operating with all our files on one partition, not because we want to
>>>> be irresponsible, but rather because we don't know any better.
>>>> Accordingly, I would be most interested in detailed instructions on
>>>> how to proceed and what additional software is required. Also I would
>>>> assume that if it's recommended for Me, it also must be for other
>>>> operating systems, including XP?
>>>>
>>>> If one of you should be so kind, I'm confident it will be appreciated
>>>> by more than a few.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Mike M]

> *You discuss 7 items (OE Message Store/My Documents etc etc). Does
> this imply 7 separate partitions or are they all grouped into a
> single partition?

No, not separate partitions for each although there is some logic in
having more than one. For example on my systems, all of which have two or
more hard disks, I have what I call a scratch volume at the beginning of
the second drive which contains the swap file, TIF and TEMP and TMP
objects. One of my systems contains my music archive and on that system
the files are in a dedicated music partition.

You may want to have a look at Jim Eshelman's article on partition
planning at http://aumha.org/a/parts.htm. Personally I find his
suggestions somewhat excessive such as dividing an 80GB drive into 8
partitions.

How you choose to partition your drives very much depends on how the
system is used. To conclude I will set out the layout I use on this PC.
Note I use BING and have all system partitions hidden other than the one
being used at the time thus these are always C:

HD0 (80GB)
1) 8MB BING (Yes, 8MB)
2) 8GB C: XP Pro SP2
3) 8GB C: System Test partition
4) 60GB E: Datastore (contains My Docs, Favourites, Message Store, etc,
etc,)
HD1 (200GB)
1) 8GB D: Temp (containing swapfile, TIF and Temp objects)
2) 95GB F: Archive (containing system images, backups of message store and
Office documents)
3) 90GB G: Music
HD2 (250GB)
1) 234GB H: Videostore

As you might gather this PC is primarily used for multimedia work,
capturing, encoding and authoring. For various reasons I don't install my
programs to a different partition than the system partition with the
exception of three data heavy applications which are installed to E:
(Mappoint n.America and Europe & TechNet Knowledge Base which together
total 3GB).

Best of luck with your experiments.
--
Mike Maltby



Dapper Dan > wrote:

> Gentlemen
>
> Did a bit more research, and as Noel subsequently revealed, BootItNG
> is indeed free on a fully functional 30 day trial basis. And as he
> also indicated,
> if I can't get everything sorted out in 30 days, then I may be in a
> lot deeper than I thought <not so VBG>.
>
> Mike, with respect to your recommendations, here are my questions;
>
> *You discuss 7 items (OE Message Store/My Documents etc etc). Does
> this imply 7 separate partitions or are they all grouped into a
> single partition? *If the answer to the above is only one additional
> partition, is there a specific location for some of these in the
> newly created partition, i.e. should Swapfile be placed at the
> beginning, or does it matter? *Again, assuming the answer to the
> first question is one partition for the whole group, does it make
> sense to create a special partition for Backups (for imaging)?
> *On my Me computer (Compaq), I have one harddrive and two partitions,
> C&D. I'm not sure of this but I believe the D partition simply holds
> the recovery system. If I repartition C into several partitions, what
> should I do with D? Add to it or ignore it?
> *My new XP computer is huge, by my standards, at 250 GB. I'd like to
> partition at least 150 GB, if not more, for future use, simply
> because I just don't need that much. Does that make any sense? (BTW
> my old desktop has an 8 GB HDD of which, after 5 years, 4 GB remain
> free and the laptop has a10 GB HDD of
> which 6 GB are free, so as you can see I really don't need a huge
> capacity).
> I think that's enough to get me going. Depending on your answers,
> I'll be ready to start doing something tomorrow. I just replaced my
> old Win 98SE computer, but it's still hooked up, so I'm ready to
> experiment with it and go from there.
>
> Thanks to both of you for your continued support.

[Dapper Dan]

Noel

As I await Mike's feedback, I downloaded the Bing Installation and Getting
Started Guide. For lack of a better word, it's a bit more geeky than I would
have preferred. I'll reread it but doubt that I will understand any more
than I do now. In the meantime, just a couple of questions, if I may.
*I assume, with only one Operating System on each of my computers, I do not
want to enable more than 4 primary partitions. Or will that even come up,
given that I am only adding a partition(s)
*Do I want the partitions chosen for me
*Do I want to install Bootitng on its own partition
*Do I want to format the new partition(s)

Dan


"Dapper Dan" > wrote in message
...
> Gentlemen
>
> Did a bit more research, and as Noel subsequently revealed, BootItNG is
> indeed free on a fully functional 30 day trial basis. And as he also
> indicated,
> if I can't get everything sorted out in 30 days, then I may be in a lot
> deeper than I thought <not so VBG>.
>
> Mike, with respect to your recommendations, here are my questions;
>
> *You discuss 7 items (OE Message Store/My Documents etc etc). Does this
> imply 7 separate partitions or are they all grouped into a single
> partition?
> *If the answer to the above is only one additional partition, is there a
> specific location for some of these in the newly created partition, i.e.
> should Swapfile be placed at the beginning, or does it matter?
> *Again, assuming the answer to the first question is one partition for the
> whole group, does it make sense to create a special partition for Backups
> (for imaging)?
> *On my Me computer (Compaq), I have one harddrive and two partitions, C&D.
> I'm not sure of this but I believe the D partition simply holds the
> recovery
> system. If I repartition C into several partitions, what should I do with
> D?
> Add to it or ignore it?
> *My new XP computer is huge, by my standards, at 250 GB. I'd like to
> partition at least 150 GB, if not more, for future use, simply because I
> just don't need that much. Does that make any sense? (BTW my old desktop
> has
> an 8 GB HDD of which, after 5 years, 4 GB remain free and the laptop has
> a10 GB HDD of
> which 6 GB are free, so as you can see I really don't need a huge
> capacity).
>
> I think that's enough to get me going. Depending on your answers, I'll be
> ready to start doing something tomorrow. I just replaced my old Win 98SE
> computer, but it's still hooked up, so I'm ready to experiment with it and
> go from there.
>
> Thanks to both of you for your continued support.
>
> Dan
>
> "Noel Paton" > wrote in message
> ...
>> BootItNG is available as a trial version for 30-day trials (fully
>> functional) - after that you have to pay for it.
>> However - if you can't get your system sorted to your satisfaction within
>> 30 days, then you have a problem! <g>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)
>>
>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>>
>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>> "Dapper Dan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Thanks for responding so quickly, Noel & Mike.
>>>
>>> Noel, I visited the sites you referred me to and I'm not sure I read it
>>> correctly, but it appears that BootItNG is available free of charge and
>>> it does both the partitioning and the disk image. If so, it's
>>> unbelievable! However I will return to the sites and read up on it this
>>> evening.
>>>
>>> Mike, thanks for the details. I'd like to read up on it a bit further
>>> too
>>> and put my ducks in order, so that I can come back and ask intelligent
>>> questions before proceeding. I suspect this may be a double edged prong;
>>> create a partition for day/day operations and maybe a partition for disk
>>> imaging.
>>>
>>> I'll be back.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> "Mike M" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>> ... if it's recommended for Me, it also must be for other
>>>>> operating systems, including XP?
>>>>
>>>> IMO, yes.
>>>>
>>>>> Accordingly, I would be most interested in detailed instructions on
>>>>> how to proceed and what additional software is required.
>>>>
>>>> No special software is required but much customisation is made easier
>>>> using TweakUI (see below).
>>>>
>>>> OE Message Store. Relocate using OE | Tools | Options | Maintenance |
>>>> Store Folder.
>>>> My Documents. Relocate by right clicking on My Documents, either In
>>>> Windows Explorer or the Desktop, select Properties, and on the Target
>>>> tab you will find the option to change the target folder (including
>>>> it's
>>>> name) and location.
>>>> TMP and TEMP objects. Edit Autoexec.bat using a text editor such as
>>>> notepad and change the target from C:\Windows\Temp to your new location
>>>> TIF (Temporary Internet Files). Relocate using Control Panel |
>>>> Internet
>>>> Options | General | Settings where you will find a "Move Folder"
>>>> button.
>>>> Desktop, Favourites, My Music, My Photos, My Videos. Relocate using
>>>> TweakUI. On the My Computer tab you will find a section "Special
>>>> Folders". Note do NOT have two different special folders pointing to
>>>> the same location.
>>>> Address Book. This requires using Regedit (Start | Run | type Regedit
>>>> in the box and click OK. Browse in the left hand pane to
>>>> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\WAB\WAB4\Wab File Name
>>>> and then in the right hand pane, double click the key (Default) and
>>>> amend the data to the new location of the address book.
>>>> SwapFile (win386.swp). System Properties | Performance | Virtual
>>>> Memory. Click "let me specify my own virtual memory settings, Change
>>>> the
>>>> drive using the drop down box and click OK. Reboot. Repeat but now
>>>> click "Let windows manage my virtual memory settings" and reboot. Win
>>>> Me is now managing your VM but the swap file is now located on the
>>>> drive
>>>> you chose.
>>>>
>>>> Additional customisation is possible but this should be enough to be
>>>> getting on with for the moment. <vbg>
>>>>
>>>> Notes on TweakUI.
>>>> If you haven't got TweakUI the Win Me compatible version (1.33) can be
>>>> downloaded from Microsoft
>>>> (http://www.microsoft.com/ntworkstation/downloads/powertoys/networking/nttweakui.asp)
>>>> and installed as follows:
>>>>
>>>> Download to a folder with a short name (e.g. C:\Tweak), run to extract
>>>> components, right click on tweakui.inf and then install, close the help
>>>> window that comes up to allow install to finish. C:\Tweak can now be
>>>> deleted and TweakUI accessed via the Control Panel.
>>>>
>>>> Just a few words of caution if you are new to using TweakUI on Win Me.
>>>> a) Do not change the first icon (My Documents) on the Desktop tab.
>>>> Doing this causes a number of script errors in Special Folders when
>>>> using
>>>> either WebView or Active desktop.
>>>> b) Do not uncheck "Search Results" on the Desktop tab.
>>>> Doing this disables the Search in Explorer.
>>>> c) Do not hide the TweakUI icon on the Control Panel tab.
>>>> d) Do not uncheck "Show Control Panel on Start Menu" on the IE tab.
>>>> Doing this will prevent you from accessing the Control Panel including
>>>> TweakUI.
>>>> e) Do not uncheck "Shell Enhancements" on the IE tab.
>>>> This causes quite a few unexpected "problems".
>>>> --
>>>> Mike Maltby
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dapper Dan > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have been reading the thread <How Much Space for Windows Me> and the
>>>>> recommendations to move My Documents and certain other folders to a
>>>>> new partition. It would appear that there may be many of us out there
>>>>> operating with all our files on one partition, not because we want to
>>>>> be irresponsible, but rather because we don't know any better.
>>>>> Accordingly, I would be most interested in detailed instructions on
>>>>> how to proceed and what additional software is required. Also I would
>>>>> assume that if it's recommended for Me, it also must be for other
>>>>> operating systems, including XP?
>>>>>
>>>>> If one of you should be so kind, I'm confident it will be appreciated
>>>>> by more than a few.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

[Mike M]

Dan.

If you aren't multi-booting then you don't need to install BING. Just use
it to partition your hard disk. Since you won't multi-boot you won't need
more than four primaries, remembering always if required that one of those
can be an extended partition containing multiple volumes.
--
Mike Maltby



Dapper Dan > wrote:

> Noel
>
> As I await Mike's feedback, I downloaded the Bing Installation and
> Getting Started Guide. For lack of a better word, it's a bit more
> geeky than I would have preferred. I'll reread it but doubt that I
> will understand any more than I do now. In the meantime, just a
> couple of questions, if I may. *I assume, with only one Operating
> System on each of my computers, I do not want to enable more than 4
> primary partitions. Or will that even come up, given that I am only
> adding a partition(s) *Do I want the partitions chosen for me
> *Do I want to install Bootitng on its own partition
> *Do I want to format the new partition(s)

[Noel Paton]

Dan
I see that Mike has already addressed fairly comprehensively (as is usual
for Mike! <g>) - so I'll try these ones...answers inline
I've assumed that you are modifying a current installation, throughout - if
you're intending to start afresh, then things are easier!

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"Dapper Dan" > wrote in message
...
> Noel
>
> As I await Mike's feedback, I downloaded the Bing Installation and Getting
> Started Guide. For lack of a better word, it's a bit more geeky than I
> would have preferred. I'll reread it but doubt that I will understand any
> more than I do now. In the meantime, just a couple of questions, if I may.
> *I assume, with only one Operating System on each of my computers, I do
> not want to enable more than 4 primary partitions. Or will that even come
> up, given that I am only adding a partition(s)

There's no need to install BING at all (especially if you;'re only testing
it) - it works just as well from the floppy boot (just hit Cancel when asked
to install, and it goes into 'Maintenance Mode' - which is exactly the same
as the installed version)
You shouldn't need more than one Primary partition - plus the Extended
partition for the Logical drives that hold your data

> *Do I want the partitions chosen for me

No - you'll first have to resize the existing drive/partition to a suitable
size, and then create an extended partition for the rest of the drive -
then create suitable Logical Drives within that partition

> *Do I want to install Bootitng on its own partition

Not if you don't want to pay for it! <g> - you don't want to install it at
all, in that case!

> *Do I want to format the new partition(s)

Yes - FAT32 format for Win ME

[Dapper Dan]

Thanks Gentlemen

I'm just on my way out but shall be back for the fun and games later this
afternoon. I will obviously be back.

Dan

"Noel Paton" > wrote in message
...
> Dan
> I see that Mike has already addressed fairly comprehensively (as is usual
> for Mike! <g>) - so I'll try these ones...answers inline
> I've assumed that you are modifying a current installation, throughout -
> if you're intending to start afresh, then things are easier!
>
> --
> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)
>
> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>
> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
> "Dapper Dan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Noel
>>
>> As I await Mike's feedback, I downloaded the Bing Installation and
>> Getting Started Guide. For lack of a better word, it's a bit more geeky
>> than I would have preferred. I'll reread it but doubt that I will
>> understand any more than I do now. In the meantime, just a couple of
>> questions, if I may.
>> *I assume, with only one Operating System on each of my computers, I do
>> not want to enable more than 4 primary partitions. Or will that even come
>> up, given that I am only adding a partition(s)
>
> There's no need to install BING at all (especially if you;'re only testing
> it) - it works just as well from the floppy boot (just hit Cancel when
> asked to install, and it goes into 'Maintenance Mode' - which is exactly
> the same as the installed version)
> You shouldn't need more than one Primary partition - plus the Extended
> partition for the Logical drives that hold your data
>
>> *Do I want the partitions chosen for me
>
> No - you'll first have to resize the existing drive/partition to a
> suitable size, and then create an extended partition for the rest of the
> drive - then create suitable Logical Drives within that partition
>
>> *Do I want to install Bootitng on its own partition
>
> Not if you don't want to pay for it! <g> - you don't want to install it at
> all, in that case!
>
>> *Do I want to format the new partition(s)
>
> Yes - FAT32 format for Win ME
>
>
>

[Dapper Dan]

Piece of Cake!

Daunting task but appear to have survived without too much of a hitch. On my
first attempt, I didn't have mouse control which made it even more
difficult, until I got to the very end <Format Summary> and couldn't get
past the name. The only way out was to cancel. Elected to try again;
rebooted and this time it was obvious that the mouse had initially froze on
my first attempt. With an active mouse, I easily completed the repartition,
although I haven't as yet moved anything as I have a couple of questions.
*Is there any significance to the required name in FORMAT SUMMARY. I wasn't
sure if this meant what drive letter to associate it with so I just named it
E
*Again, in the same message box, the Format is shown as FAT-32/FAT32. I had
selected 12/Ch: FAT-32, however there was another choice listed as 11Bh:
FAT-32. Not sure of the significance, if any, but thought it prudent to ask
before transferring files over to the new partition. BTW, the machine I'm
practicing on is Win 98SE.

One last thing, having done this, I think I would like to go one step
further and make two partitions instead of one, housing all data files on
one partition and all temp stuff like Tmp, Temp, TIF and Swap File on the
other. I think it would make it easier to backup or Image for protection.
Make sense?

Thanks again for your guidance.

Dan

"Dapper Dan" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks Gentlemen
>
> I'm just on my way out but shall be back for the fun and games later this
> afternoon. I will obviously be back.
>
> Dan
>
> "Noel Paton" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Dan
>> I see that Mike has already addressed fairly comprehensively (as is usual
>> for Mike! <g>) - so I'll try these ones...answers inline
>> I've assumed that you are modifying a current installation, throughout -
>> if you're intending to start afresh, then things are easier!
>>
>> --
>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)
>>
>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>>
>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>> "Dapper Dan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Noel
>>>
>>> As I await Mike's feedback, I downloaded the Bing Installation and
>>> Getting Started Guide. For lack of a better word, it's a bit more geeky
>>> than I would have preferred. I'll reread it but doubt that I will
>>> understand any more than I do now. In the meantime, just a couple of
>>> questions, if I may.
>>> *I assume, with only one Operating System on each of my computers, I do
>>> not want to enable more than 4 primary partitions. Or will that even
>>> come up, given that I am only adding a partition(s)
>>
>> There's no need to install BING at all (especially if you;'re only
>> testing it) - it works just as well from the floppy boot (just hit Cancel
>> when asked to install, and it goes into 'Maintenance Mode' - which is
>> exactly the same as the installed version)
>> You shouldn't need more than one Primary partition - plus the Extended
>> partition for the Logical drives that hold your data
>>
>>> *Do I want the partitions chosen for me
>>
>> No - you'll first have to resize the existing drive/partition to a
>> suitable size, and then create an extended partition for the rest of the
>> drive - then create suitable Logical Drives within that partition
>>
>>> *Do I want to install Bootitng on its own partition
>>
>> Not if you don't want to pay for it! <g> - you don't want to install it
>> at all, in that case!
>>
>>> *Do I want to format the new partition(s)
>>
>> Yes - FAT32 format for Win ME
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Dapper Dan]

Looks like I'm going to need more help, afterall.

Decided to proceed without response but something isn't right. Relocated MY
DOCUMENTS to D via Desktop Properties but appear to have lost the contents.
In the Target Folder location I simply changed the target from C:\My
Documents to D:\My Documents.

I'm not sure I understand the instruction re using TweakUI to move Desktop,
Favourites, My Music etc. i.e. DO NOT HAVE 2 DIFFERENT SPECIAL FOLDERS
POINTING TO THE SAME LOCATION. Am I simply not just highlighting any one of
those in the dropdown menu and clicking on CHANGE ?

Lastly, I don't have a TEMP and/or TMP in my autoexec so how would I do this
in Notepad

Thanks




"Dapper Dan" > wrote in message
...
> Piece of Cake!
>
> Daunting task but appear to have survived without too much of a hitch. On
> my first attempt, I didn't have mouse control which made it even more
> difficult, until I got to the very end <Format Summary> and couldn't get
> past the name. The only way out was to cancel. Elected to try again;
> rebooted and this time it was obvious that the mouse had initially froze
> on my first attempt. With an active mouse, I easily completed the
> repartition, although I haven't as yet moved anything as I have a couple
> of questions.
> *Is there any significance to the required name in FORMAT SUMMARY. I
> wasn't sure if this meant what drive letter to associate it with so I just
> named it E
> *Again, in the same message box, the Format is shown as FAT-32/FAT32. I
> had selected 12/Ch: FAT-32, however there was another choice listed as
> 11Bh: FAT-32. Not sure of the significance, if any, but thought it prudent
> to ask before transferring files over to the new partition. BTW, the
> machine I'm practicing on is Win 98SE.
>
> One last thing, having done this, I think I would like to go one step
> further and make two partitions instead of one, housing all data files on
> one partition and all temp stuff like Tmp, Temp, TIF and Swap File on the
> other. I think it would make it easier to backup or Image for protection.
> Make sense?
>
> Thanks again for your guidance.
>
> Dan
>
> "Dapper Dan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Thanks Gentlemen
>>
>> I'm just on my way out but shall be back for the fun and games later this
>> afternoon. I will obviously be back.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> "Noel Paton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Dan
>>> I see that Mike has already addressed fairly comprehensively (as is
>>> usual for Mike! <g>) - so I'll try these ones...answers inline
>>> I've assumed that you are modifying a current installation, throughout -
>>> if you're intending to start afresh, then things are easier!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)
>>>
>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>>> http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>>>
>>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
>>> NG's
>>> "Dapper Dan" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Noel
>>>>
>>>> As I await Mike's feedback, I downloaded the Bing Installation and
>>>> Getting Started Guide. For lack of a better word, it's a bit more geeky
>>>> than I would have preferred. I'll reread it but doubt that I will
>>>> understand any more than I do now. In the meantime, just a couple of
>>>> questions, if I may.
>>>> *I assume, with only one Operating System on each of my computers, I do
>>>> not want to enable more than 4 primary partitions. Or will that even
>>>> come up, given that I am only adding a partition(s)
>>>
>>> There's no need to install BING at all (especially if you;'re only
>>> testing it) - it works just as well from the floppy boot (just hit
>>> Cancel when asked to install, and it goes into 'Maintenance Mode' -
>>> which is exactly the same as the installed version)
>>> You shouldn't need more than one Primary partition - plus the Extended
>>> partition for the Logical drives that hold your data
>>>
>>>> *Do I want the partitions chosen for me
>>>
>>> No - you'll first have to resize the existing drive/partition to a
>>> suitable size, and then create an extended partition for the rest of
>>> the drive - then create suitable Logical Drives within that partition
>>>
>>>> *Do I want to install Bootitng on its own partition
>>>
>>> Not if you don't want to pay for it! <g> - you don't want to install it
>>> at all, in that case!
>>>
>>>> *Do I want to format the new partition(s)
>>>
>>> Yes - FAT32 format for Win ME
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Mike M]

> Decided to proceed without response

I wasn't aware that a response was necessary. I thought your only
question was about making two new partitions for different purposes,
something I had already mentioned in an earlier message.

> Decided to proceed without response but something isn't right.
> Relocated MY DOCUMENTS to D via Desktop Properties but appear to have
> lost the contents. In the Target Folder location I simply changed the
> target from C:\My Documents to D:\My Documents.

Did you use the Move button? If not and you simply created a new location
your existing files will still be in the original location and will need
to be moved manually. The old location is C:\My Documents, the files
still be there.

> I'm not sure I understand the instruction re using TweakUI to move
> Desktop, Favourites, My Music etc. i.e. DO NOT HAVE 2 DIFFERENT
> SPECIAL FOLDERS POINTING TO THE SAME LOCATION.

Do not have two different special folders in the same location means just
that. For example DO NOT have My Videos = D:\Media and My Music also
pointing to D:\Media, in other words the same folder.

> Am I simply not just
> highlighting any one of those in the dropdown menu and clicking on
> CHANGE ?

Select the folder you wish to relocate in the drop down box, click Change
Location and enter the new location. Note that any files in the old
location won't be moved, you will have to do that manually. I would not
recommend modifying the locations for Program Files or Common Program
Files as the C:\ location is often hard coded in to the program modules
and also for programs that are already installed there will be many
registry entries pointing to the original location.
--
Mike Maltby



Dapper Dan > wrote:

> Looks like I'm going to need more help, afterall.
>
> Decided to proceed without response but something isn't right.
> Relocated MY DOCUMENTS to D via Desktop Properties but appear to have
> lost the contents. In the Target Folder location I simply changed the
> target from C:\My Documents to D:\My Documents.
>
> I'm not sure I understand the instruction re using TweakUI to move
> Desktop, Favourites, My Music etc. i.e. DO NOT HAVE 2 DIFFERENT
> SPECIAL FOLDERS POINTING TO THE SAME LOCATION. Am I simply not just
> highlighting any one of those in the dropdown menu and clicking on
> CHANGE ?
> Lastly, I don't have a TEMP and/or TMP in my autoexec so how would I
> do this in Notepad
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> "Dapper Dan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Piece of Cake!
>>
>> Daunting task but appear to have survived without too much of a
>> hitch. On my first attempt, I didn't have mouse control which made
>> it even more difficult, until I got to the very end <Format Summary>
>> and couldn't get past the name. The only way out was to cancel.
>> Elected to try again; rebooted and this time it was obvious that the
>> mouse had initially froze on my first attempt. With an active mouse,
>> I easily completed the repartition, although I haven't as yet moved
>> anything as I have a couple of questions.
>> *Is there any significance to the required name in FORMAT SUMMARY. I
>> wasn't sure if this meant what drive letter to associate it with so
>> I just named it E
>> *Again, in the same message box, the Format is shown as
>> FAT-32/FAT32. I had selected 12/Ch: FAT-32, however there was
>> another choice listed as 11Bh: FAT-32. Not sure of the significance,
>> if any, but thought it prudent to ask before transferring files over
>> to the new partition. BTW, the machine I'm practicing on is Win 98SE.
>>
>> One last thing, having done this, I think I would like to go one step
>> further and make two partitions instead of one, housing all data
>> files on one partition and all temp stuff like Tmp, Temp, TIF and
>> Swap File on the other. I think it would make it easier to backup or
>> Image for protection. Make sense?
>>
>> Thanks again for your guidance.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> "Dapper Dan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Thanks Gentlemen
>>>
>>> I'm just on my way out but shall be back for the fun and games
>>> later this afternoon. I will obviously be back.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> "Noel Paton" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Dan
>>>> I see that Mike has already addressed fairly comprehensively (as is
>>>> usual for Mike! <g>) - so I'll try these ones...answers inline
>>>> I've assumed that you are modifying a current installation,
>>>> throughout - if you're intending to start afresh, then things are
>>>> easier! --
>>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)
>>>>
>>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>>>> http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>>>>
>>>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
>>>> to NG's
>>>> "Dapper Dan" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Noel
>>>>>
>>>>> As I await Mike's feedback, I downloaded the Bing Installation and
>>>>> Getting Started Guide. For lack of a better word, it's a bit more
>>>>> geeky than I would have preferred. I'll reread it but doubt that
>>>>> I will understand any more than I do now. In the meantime, just a
>>>>> couple of questions, if I may.
>>>>> *I assume, with only one Operating System on each of my
>>>>> computers, I do not want to enable more than 4 primary
>>>>> partitions. Or will that even come up, given that I am only
>>>>> adding a partition(s)
>>>>
>>>> There's no need to install BING at all (especially if you;'re only
>>>> testing it) - it works just as well from the floppy boot (just hit
>>>> Cancel when asked to install, and it goes into 'Maintenance Mode' -
>>>> which is exactly the same as the installed version)
>>>> You shouldn't need more than one Primary partition - plus the
>>>> Extended partition for the Logical drives that hold your data
>>>>
>>>>> *Do I want the partitions chosen for me
>>>>
>>>> No - you'll first have to resize the existing drive/partition to a
>>>> suitable size, and then create an extended partition for the rest
>>>> of the drive - then create suitable Logical Drives within that
>>>> partition
>>>>> *Do I want to install Bootitng on its own partition
>>>>
>>>> Not if you don't want to pay for it! <g> - you don't want to
>>>> install it at all, in that case!
>>>>
>>>>> *Do I want to format the new partition(s)
>>>>
>>>> Yes - FAT32 format for Win ME

[Dapper Dan]

No problem Mike. I should have been a little clearer yesterday. In the end I
didn't create a third partition because I wasn't sure about where it should
go, whether all the temp/swap stuff should be in the second partition or if
it matters at all.

Thanks for the clarification re My Documents. I didn't see a MOVE button; I
just changed the target from C: to D:

I now understand re Special Folders. I just wondered if it meant something
else because it was obvious that nothing would be in the newly created
partition until I put it there. With respect to this item, for some reason
I'm having to go into the D and make new folders so that I can fully target
the location.

One other thing, I'm curious as to why under C:, these Folders (Desktop for
example) show as C:\Windows\Desktop whereas under the new partition they are
simply showing as D:\Desktop

Thanks
"Mike M" > wrote in message
...
>> Decided to proceed without response
>
> I wasn't aware that a response was necessary. I thought your only
> question was about making two new partitions for different purposes,
> something I had already mentioned in an earlier message.
>
>> Decided to proceed without response but something isn't right.
>> Relocated MY DOCUMENTS to D via Desktop Properties but appear to have
>> lost the contents. In the Target Folder location I simply changed the
>> target from C:\My Documents to D:\My Documents.
>
> Did you use the Move button? If not and you simply created a new location
> your existing files will still be in the original location and will need
> to be moved manually. The old location is C:\My Documents, the files
> still be there.
>
>> I'm not sure I understand the instruction re using TweakUI to move
>> Desktop, Favourites, My Music etc. i.e. DO NOT HAVE 2 DIFFERENT
>> SPECIAL FOLDERS POINTING TO THE SAME LOCATION.
>
> Do not have two different special folders in the same location means just
> that. For example DO NOT have My Videos = D:\Media and My Music also
> pointing to D:\Media, in other words the same folder.
>
>> Am I simply not just
>> highlighting any one of those in the dropdown menu and clicking on
>> CHANGE ?
>
> Select the folder you wish to relocate in the drop down box, click Change
> Location and enter the new location. Note that any files in the old
> location won't be moved, you will have to do that manually. I would not
> recommend modifying the locations for Program Files or Common Program
> Files as the C:\ location is often hard coded in to the program modules
> and also for programs that are already installed there will be many
> registry entries pointing to the original location.
> --
> Mike Maltby
>
>
>
> Dapper Dan > wrote:
>
>> Looks like I'm going to need more help, afterall.
>>
>> Decided to proceed without response but something isn't right.
>> Relocated MY DOCUMENTS to D via Desktop Properties but appear to have
>> lost the contents. In the Target Folder location I simply changed the
>> target from C:\My Documents to D:\My Documents.
>>
>> I'm not sure I understand the instruction re using TweakUI to move
>> Desktop, Favourites, My Music etc. i.e. DO NOT HAVE 2 DIFFERENT
>> SPECIAL FOLDERS POINTING TO THE SAME LOCATION. Am I simply not just
>> highlighting any one of those in the dropdown menu and clicking on
>> CHANGE ?
>> Lastly, I don't have a TEMP and/or TMP in my autoexec so how would I
>> do this in Notepad
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Dapper Dan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Piece of Cake!
>>>
>>> Daunting task but appear to have survived without too much of a
>>> hitch. On my first attempt, I didn't have mouse control which made
>>> it even more difficult, until I got to the very end <Format Summary>
>>> and couldn't get past the name. The only way out was to cancel.
>>> Elected to try again; rebooted and this time it was obvious that the
>>> mouse had initially froze on my first attempt. With an active mouse,
>>> I easily completed the repartition, although I haven't as yet moved
>>> anything as I have a couple of questions.
>>> *Is there any significance to the required name in FORMAT SUMMARY. I
>>> wasn't sure if this meant what drive letter to associate it with so
>>> I just named it E
>>> *Again, in the same message box, the Format is shown as
>>> FAT-32/FAT32. I had selected 12/Ch: FAT-32, however there was
>>> another choice listed as 11Bh: FAT-32. Not sure of the significance,
>>> if any, but thought it prudent to ask before transferring files over
>>> to the new partition. BTW, the machine I'm practicing on is Win 98SE.
>>>
>>> One last thing, having done this, I think I would like to go one step
>>> further and make two partitions instead of one, housing all data
>>> files on one partition and all temp stuff like Tmp, Temp, TIF and
>>> Swap File on the other. I think it would make it easier to backup or
>>> Image for protection. Make sense?
>>>
>>> Thanks again for your guidance.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> "Dapper Dan" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Thanks Gentlemen
>>>>
>>>> I'm just on my way out but shall be back for the fun and games
>>>> later this afternoon. I will obviously be back.
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>> "Noel Paton" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Dan
>>>>> I see that Mike has already addressed fairly comprehensively (as is
>>>>> usual for Mike! <g>) - so I'll try these ones...answers inline
>>>>> I've assumed that you are modifying a current installation,
>>>>> throughout - if you're intending to start afresh, then things are
>>>>> easier! --
>>>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)
>>>>>
>>>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>>>>> http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>>>>>
>>>>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
>>>>> to NG's
>>>>> "Dapper Dan" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Noel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I await Mike's feedback, I downloaded the Bing Installation and
>>>>>> Getting Started Guide. For lack of a better word, it's a bit more
>>>>>> geeky than I would have preferred. I'll reread it but doubt that
>>>>>> I will understand any more than I do now. In the meantime, just a
>>>>>> couple of questions, if I may.
>>>>>> *I assume, with only one Operating System on each of my
>>>>>> computers, I do not want to enable more than 4 primary
>>>>>> partitions. Or will that even come up, given that I am only
>>>>>> adding a partition(s)
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no need to install BING at all (especially if you;'re only
>>>>> testing it) - it works just as well from the floppy boot (just hit
>>>>> Cancel when asked to install, and it goes into 'Maintenance Mode' -
>>>>> which is exactly the same as the installed version)
>>>>> You shouldn't need more than one Primary partition - plus the
>>>>> Extended partition for the Logical drives that hold your data
>>>>>
>>>>>> *Do I want the partitions chosen for me
>>>>>
>>>>> No - you'll first have to resize the existing drive/partition to a
>>>>> suitable size, and then create an extended partition for the rest
>>>>> of the drive - then create suitable Logical Drives within that
>>>>> partition
>>>>>> *Do I want to install Bootitng on its own partition
>>>>>
>>>>> Not if you don't want to pay for it! <g> - you don't want to
>>>>> install it at all, in that case!
>>>>>
>>>>>> *Do I want to format the new partition(s)
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes - FAT32 format for Win ME
>

[Mike M]

> for some reason I'm having to go into the D and make new
> folders so that I can fully target the location.

Dan,

The problem here is that TweakUI doesn't allow you to create new folders
but rather will only allow you to point at pre-existing folders.

> One other thing, I'm curious as to why under C:, these Folders
> (Desktop for example) show as C:\Windows\Desktop whereas under the
> new partition they are simply showing as D:\Desktop

Simply because that's where Microsoft chose to place them. <g> It is that
very predictability that increases the possibility of some of them being
targeted although the 8 random characters used for the sub-folders in the
TIF are an attempt to reduce that vulnerability.
My Documents C:\My Documents with My Pictures and My Music being
sub-folders.
Desktop C:\Windows\Desktop
Temp & Tmp C:\Windows\Temp
TIF C:\Windows\Temporary Internet Files
OE Message store C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\Identities\{GUID}

You seem to be doing great. You will end up with a leaner and therefore
somewhat faster system drive when you've finished and you will also find
making backups and/or image files a lot easier and perhaps also quicker.

Cheers.
--
Mike Maltby



Dapper Dan > wrote:

> No problem Mike. I should have been a little clearer yesterday. In
> the end I didn't create a third partition because I wasn't sure about
> where it should go, whether all the temp/swap stuff should be in the
> second partition or if it matters at all.
>
> Thanks for the clarification re My Documents. I didn't see a MOVE
> button; I just changed the target from C: to D:
>
> I now understand re Special Folders. I just wondered if it meant
> something else because it was obvious that nothing would be in the
> newly created partition until I put it there. With respect to this
> item, for some reason I'm having to go into the D and make new
> folders so that I can fully target the location.
>
> One other thing, I'm curious as to why under C:, these Folders
> (Desktop for example) show as C:\Windows\Desktop whereas under the
> new partition they are simply showing as D:\Desktop

[Dapper Dan]

Thanks Mike.
The only things I couldn't transfer over were TMP and TEMP due to not
understanding how to do it in Notepad.
I imagine it's now safe to delete those folders that were copied over from
the C partition to similar folders in D (My Desktop, Favourites, and My
Files). I may have to rearrange a few things because in the transfer, all my
Utility downloads (AdAware, Adobe, Avast etc) got moved whereas I think that
it's probably more fitting for those to stay in C.

I'll play around with this over the next few days to make sure files are in
fact being saved where they should be and then I'll tackle the Win Me
laptop. I still have an outstanding question relating to this and that is
when I repartition it, how do I handle the existing D partition which I
think holds the Recovery system? Do I ignore it and go from C to E or does
it automatically move D to E?

Really appreciate your guidance. Thank you.

Dan
"Mike M" > wrote in message
...
>> for some reason I'm having to go into the D and make new
>> folders so that I can fully target the location.
>
> Dan,
>
> The problem here is that TweakUI doesn't allow you to create new folders
> but rather will only allow you to point at pre-existing folders.
>
>> One other thing, I'm curious as to why under C:, these Folders
>> (Desktop for example) show as C:\Windows\Desktop whereas under the
>> new partition they are simply showing as D:\Desktop
>
> Simply because that's where Microsoft chose to place them. <g> It is that
> very predictability that increases the possibility of some of them being
> targeted although the 8 random characters used for the sub-folders in the
> TIF are an attempt to reduce that vulnerability.
> My Documents C:\My Documents with My Pictures and My Music being
> sub-folders.
> Desktop C:\Windows\Desktop
> Temp & Tmp C:\Windows\Temp
> TIF C:\Windows\Temporary Internet Files
> OE Message store C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\Identities\{GUID}
>
> You seem to be doing great. You will end up with a leaner and therefore
> somewhat faster system drive when you've finished and you will also find
> making backups and/or image files a lot easier and perhaps also quicker.
>
> Cheers.
> --
> Mike Maltby
>
>
>
> Dapper Dan > wrote:
>
>> No problem Mike. I should have been a little clearer yesterday. In
>> the end I didn't create a third partition because I wasn't sure about
>> where it should go, whether all the temp/swap stuff should be in the
>> second partition or if it matters at all.
>>
>> Thanks for the clarification re My Documents. I didn't see a MOVE
>> button; I just changed the target from C: to D:
>>
>> I now understand re Special Folders. I just wondered if it meant
>> something else because it was obvious that nothing would be in the
>> newly created partition until I put it there. With respect to this
>> item, for some reason I'm having to go into the D and make new
>> folders so that I can fully target the location.
>>
>> One other thing, I'm curious as to why under C:, these Folders
>> (Desktop for example) show as C:\Windows\Desktop whereas under the
>> new partition they are simply showing as D:\Desktop
>

[Mike M]

> I still have an outstanding question relating to this
> and that is when I repartition it, how do I handle the existing D
> partition which I think holds the Recovery system?

Dan,

With considerable care. So much so that I'd be very careful about
changing the partition layout. (Fortunately) I have virtually no
experience of such recovery systems. The laptop I bought last summer had
such a partition but it contained material that could then be burned to
DVD (or CDs) after which it could be deleted. I doubt however that if I
had to reinstall the OS on that laptop that I would use that recovery disk
but instead am more likely to clean install the OS using one of the spare
licences I own and so avoid any possible problem with the recovery disks
expecting to see a particular partition layout.

To answer your specific query I would not only need to know the make and
model of your laptop but also have some experience of the manufacturer's
method of working. Something I regret that I am most unlikely to have.
--
Mike Maltby



Dapper Dan > wrote:

> Thanks Mike.
> The only things I couldn't transfer over were TMP and TEMP due to not
> understanding how to do it in Notepad.
> I imagine it's now safe to delete those folders that were copied over
> from the C partition to similar folders in D (My Desktop, Favourites,
> and My Files). I may have to rearrange a few things because in the
> transfer, all my Utility downloads (AdAware, Adobe, Avast etc) got
> moved whereas I think that it's probably more fitting for those to
> stay in C.
> I'll play around with this over the next few days to make sure files
> are in fact being saved where they should be and then I'll tackle the
> Win Me laptop. I still have an outstanding question relating to this
> and that is when I repartition it, how do I handle the existing D
> partition which I think holds the Recovery system? Do I ignore it and
> go from C to E or does it automatically move D to E?
>
> Really appreciate your guidance. Thank you.

[Dapper Dan]

I hear you, Mike. I will tread carefully and avoid the D: partition
altogether.

I recently reformatted and did a clean install via new Recovery Discs
purchased from HP/Compaq. This is a Compaq Presario laptop, model 1200 CA.
It's 800 MHz with a 10 GB hard drive, partitioned as follows;
MBR Entry 0 Partition 6793 MB Fat-32 (11/Bh)
MBR Entry 1 Partition 2793 MB Extended (15/Fh)
System_S Volume 2793 MB Fat-32 (12/Ch)

There's a warning that the file id should be 11 on the 3rd entry (System_S).
BTW, when I scan or defrag, the system show only the first and third
partition.

Hope this is sufficient feedback for you to provide additional guidance. If
not, were you suggesting not to repartition the laptop or were you simply
saying not to mess with the existing D:

Last thing, I still don't know how to handle the TMP and TEMP problem via
autoexec.

Thanks
"Mike M" > wrote in message
...
>> I still have an outstanding question relating to this
>> and that is when I repartition it, how do I handle the existing D
>> partition which I think holds the Recovery system?
>
> Dan,
>
> With considerable care. So much so that I'd be very careful about
> changing the partition layout. (Fortunately) I have virtually no
> experience of such recovery systems. The laptop I bought last summer had
> such a partition but it contained material that could then be burned to
> DVD (or CDs) after which it could be deleted. I doubt however that if I
> had to reinstall the OS on that laptop that I would use that recovery disk
> but instead am more likely to clean install the OS using one of the spare
> licences I own and so avoid any possible problem with the recovery disks
> expecting to see a particular partition layout.
>
> To answer your specific query I would not only need to know the make and
> model of your laptop but also have some experience of the manufacturer's
> method of working. Something I regret that I am most unlikely to have.
> --
> Mike Maltby
>
>
>
> Dapper Dan > wrote:
>
>> Thanks Mike.
>> The only things I couldn't transfer over were TMP and TEMP due to not
>> understanding how to do it in Notepad.
>> I imagine it's now safe to delete those folders that were copied over
>> from the C partition to similar folders in D (My Desktop, Favourites,
>> and My Files). I may have to rearrange a few things because in the
>> transfer, all my Utility downloads (AdAware, Adobe, Avast etc) got
>> moved whereas I think that it's probably more fitting for those to
>> stay in C.
>> I'll play around with this over the next few days to make sure files
>> are in fact being saved where they should be and then I'll tackle the
>> Win Me laptop. I still have an outstanding question relating to this
>> and that is when I repartition it, how do I handle the existing D
>> partition which I think holds the Recovery system? Do I ignore it and
>> go from C to E or does it automatically move D to E?
>>
>> Really appreciate your guidance. Thank you.
>

[Mike M]

Dan,

Repeating my earlier post, I'm sorry but I can't and won't comment further
on how you should arrange the partition layout on your laptop as I have
zero experience or knowledge of how Compaq may have arranged their
recovery system and how when used this recovery system may then interact
with a different layout.

Turning to the partition listing you posted. The second entry if that of
an extended partition and this will never appear as such in Windows
Explorer, only any volumes that the partition contains such as the Volume
entry in your list. If the size of the volumes in an extended partition
total less than the size of the extended partition this would appear as
unallocated space. In your case the Volume System_S occupies the entire
extended partition.

> Last thing, I still don't know how to handle the TMP and TEMP problem
> via autoexec.

As I mentioned in an earlier post all that is involved is to replace the
default target for the TMP and TEMP variables in autoexec.bat with the
required location. For example you may want to use a folder E:\Temp as
the target instead of C:\Windows\Temp in which case you would replace the
entries
SET TEMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP
SET TMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP
by
SET TEMP=E:\TEMP
SET TMP=E:\TEMP
This would then redirect applications using the TEMP or TMP environment
variables to create their temporary files in the folder E:\Temp. Note
however that some applications have the location C:\Windows\Temp hard
coded in them meaning that such applications will always use the
C:\Windows\Temp folder regardless of the settings for TEMP and TMP.
--
Mike Maltby



Dapper Dan > wrote:

> I hear you, Mike. I will tread carefully and avoid the D: partition
> altogether.
>
> I recently reformatted and did a clean install via new Recovery Discs
> purchased from HP/Compaq. This is a Compaq Presario laptop, model
> 1200 CA. It's 800 MHz with a 10 GB hard drive, partitioned as follows;
> MBR Entry 0 Partition 6793 MB Fat-32 (11/Bh)
> MBR Entry 1 Partition 2793 MB Extended (15/Fh)
> System_S Volume 2793 MB Fat-32 (12/Ch)
>
> There's a warning that the file id should be 11 on the 3rd entry
> (System_S). BTW, when I scan or defrag, the system show only the
> first and third partition.
>
> Hope this is sufficient feedback for you to provide additional
> guidance. If not, were you suggesting not to repartition the laptop
> or were you simply saying not to mess with the existing D:
>
> Last thing, I still don't know how to handle the TMP and TEMP problem
> via autoexec.

[Dapper Dan]

I can feel your frustration, Mike. Sorry if I'm a PITA but I would rather
re-ask and make sure I understand rather than plod along and find out I
misunderstood what you had said.

Thanks for the clarification re arranging the laptop partition. I wasn't
sure if that's what you meant, originally. I understand your position and
thank you for your guidance throughout this little journey. It has been an
education. However I think I'll stop it right there; if you are
uncomfortable, you can imagine how uncomfortable I am to proceed, blindly so
to speak.

And thanks for the last bit of info re autoexec. At least I have
successfully partitioned one computer, even if it is one that's on the
shelf.

regards

Dan
"Mike M" > wrote in message
...
> Dan,
>
> Repeating my earlier post, I'm sorry but I can't and won't comment further
> on how you should arrange the partition layout on your laptop as I have
> zero experience or knowledge of how Compaq may have arranged their
> recovery system and how when used this recovery system may then interact
> with a different layout.
>
> Turning to the partition listing you posted. The second entry if that of
> an extended partition and this will never appear as such in Windows
> Explorer, only any volumes that the partition contains such as the Volume
> entry in your list. If the size of the volumes in an extended partition
> total less than the size of the extended partition this would appear as
> unallocated space. In your case the Volume System_S occupies the entire
> extended partition.
>
>> Last thing, I still don't know how to handle the TMP and TEMP problem
>> via autoexec.
>
> As I mentioned in an earlier post all that is involved is to replace the
> default target for the TMP and TEMP variables in autoexec.bat with the
> required location. For example you may want to use a folder E:\Temp as
> the target instead of C:\Windows\Temp in which case you would replace the
> entries
> SET TEMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP
> SET TMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP
> by
> SET TEMP=E:\TEMP
> SET TMP=E:\TEMP
> This would then redirect applications using the TEMP or TMP environment
> variables to create their temporary files in the folder E:\Temp. Note
> however that some applications have the location C:\Windows\Temp hard
> coded in them meaning that such applications will always use the
> C:\Windows\Temp folder regardless of the settings for TEMP and TMP.
> --
> Mike Maltby
>
>
>
> Dapper Dan > wrote:
>
>> I hear you, Mike. I will tread carefully and avoid the D: partition
>> altogether.
>>
>> I recently reformatted and did a clean install via new Recovery Discs
>> purchased from HP/Compaq. This is a Compaq Presario laptop, model
>> 1200 CA. It's 800 MHz with a 10 GB hard drive, partitioned as follows;
>> MBR Entry 0 Partition 6793 MB Fat-32 (11/Bh)
>> MBR Entry 1 Partition 2793 MB Extended (15/Fh)
>> System_S Volume 2793 MB Fat-32 (12/Ch)
>>
>> There's a warning that the file id should be 11 on the 3rd entry
>> (System_S). BTW, when I scan or defrag, the system show only the
>> first and third partition.
>>
>> Hope this is sufficient feedback for you to provide additional
>> guidance. If not, were you suggesting not to repartition the laptop
>> or were you simply saying not to mess with the existing D:
>>
>> Last thing, I still don't know how to handle the TMP and TEMP problem
>> via autoexec.
>