Cable to DSL

[Lil' Dave]

Hi folks,
Simple question here. Have roadrunner cable modem connected to network for
internet service (Cox). Intend to simply swap the cable modem with DSL
modem (Verizon).
Setup as below
modem
|
router
|
PC = NAT router and internet server
|
hub
|
Two PCs

Only thing I can find different is that Verizon requires a PPOe setup for
the router, Cox don't. Verizon tech support is only familar with their
modem (theirs)-router (theirs)-PC. Haven't received DSL modem, prepping.
Any tips?

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

In article <4Vgwc.2333$5B2.1284@lakeread04>, "Lil' Dave"
> wrote:
>Hi folks,
>Simple question here. Have roadrunner cable modem connected to network for
>internet service (Cox). Intend to simply swap the cable modem with DSL
>modem (Verizon).
>Setup as below
>modem
>|
>router
>|
>PC = NAT router and internet server
>|
>hub
>|
>Two PCs
>
>Only thing I can find different is that Verizon requires a PPOe setup for
>the router, Cox don't. Verizon tech support is only familar with their
>modem (theirs)-router (theirs)-PC. Haven't received DSL modem, prepping.
>Any tips?

I'm sorry, but I don't understand your setup: there's a hardware
router between the modem and PC, and the PC acts as a NAT router.

Why are there two routers? Can the hardware router (possibly with the
hub connected to it) give Internet access to all three computers?
That would eliminate the need to run NAT on the first PC and use it as
an Internet server.

A typical hardware router has PPPoE software built in. In that case,
replacing the cable modem with a DSL modem shouldn't require any
changes to the setup other than enabling PPPoE in the hardware router.

If you connect the DSL modem directly to the first PC, without the
hardware router, you'll need to install PPPoE software on the PC. One
possibility is to use RASPPPoE, from:

http://www.raspppoe.com
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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[Lil' Dave]

"Steve Winograd [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> In article <4Vgwc.2333$5B2.1284@lakeread04>, "Lil' Dave"
> > wrote:
> >Hi folks,
> >Simple question here. Have roadrunner cable modem connected to network
for
> >internet service (Cox). Intend to simply swap the cable modem with DSL
> >modem (Verizon).
> >Setup as below
> >modem
> >|
> >router
> >|
> >PC = NAT router and internet server
> >|
> >hub
> >|
> >Two PCs
> >
> >Only thing I can find different is that Verizon requires a PPOe setup for
> >the router, Cox don't. Verizon tech support is only familar with their
> >modem (theirs)-router (theirs)-PC. Haven't received DSL modem, prepping.
> >Any tips?
>
> I'm sorry, but I don't understand your setup: there's a hardware
> router between the modem and PC, and the PC acts as a NAT router.
>
> Why are there two routers? Can the hardware router (possibly with the
> hub connected to it) give Internet access to all three computers?
> That would eliminate the need to run NAT on the first PC and use it as
> an Internet server.
>
> A typical hardware router has PPPoE software built in. In that case,
> replacing the cable modem with a DSL modem shouldn't require any
> changes to the setup other than enabling PPPoE in the hardware router.
>
> If you connect the DSL modem directly to the first PC, without the
> hardware router, you'll need to install PPPoE software on the PC. One
> possibility is to use RASPPPoE, from:
>
> http://www.raspppoe.com
> --
> Best Wishes,
> Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
>
> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
> for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
> addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
>
> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>
> Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
> http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm

Originally the cable modem and router was not part of this install. Was
using a telco modem connected to the single PC, same hub and two PCs. The
single PC is using the older sygate internet sharing software, and has
built-in firewall software as well..
Went to cable. Connected the cable modem and router to the single PC.
Worked fine, so I left it that way.

See no reason to change to hardware configuration that I've shown. Thanks
for your advice.

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

In article <hYBwc.20905$aM1.4570@fed1read02>, "Lil' Dave"
> wrote:
>>>Simple question here. Have roadrunner cable modem connected to network for
>>>internet service (Cox). Intend to simply swap the cable modem with DSL
>>>modem (Verizon).
>>>Setup as below
>>>modem
>>>|
>>>router
>>>|
>>>PC = NAT router and internet server
>>>|
>>>hub
>>>|
>>>Two PCs
>>>
>>>Only thing I can find different is that Verizon requires a PPOe setup for
>>>the router, Cox don't. Verizon tech support is only familar with their
>>>modem (theirs)-router (theirs)-PC. Haven't received DSL modem, prepping.
>>>Any tips?
>>
>>I'm sorry, but I don't understand your setup: there's a hardware
>>router between the modem and PC, and the PC acts as a NAT router.
>>
>>Why are there two routers? Can the hardware router (possibly with the
>>hub connected to it) give Internet access to all three computers?
>>That would eliminate the need to run NAT on the first PC and use it as
>>an Internet server.
>>
>>A typical hardware router has PPPoE software built in. In that case,
>>replacing the cable modem with a DSL modem shouldn't require any
>>changes to the setup other than enabling PPPoE in the hardware router.
>>
>>If you connect the DSL modem directly to the first PC, without the
>>hardware router, you'll need to install PPPoE software on the PC. One
>>possibility is to use RASPPPoE, from:
>>
>>http://www.raspppoe.com
>
>Originally the cable modem and router was not part of this install. Was
>using a telco modem connected to the single PC, same hub and two PCs. The
>single PC is using the older sygate internet sharing software, and has
>built-in firewall software as well..
>Went to cable. Connected the cable modem and router to the single PC.
>Worked fine, so I left it that way.
>
>See no reason to change to hardware configuration that I've shown. Thanks
>for your advice.

OK -- since you're happy with the setup, there's no need to change
anything. I used Sygate to share a dial-up connection long ago, and I
think it's a great program.

I see one disadvantage to your setup: the primary PC has to be up and
running at all times that the other PCs are using the Internet. That
wouldn't be true if all the computers connected directly to the
hardware router.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm

[Papa]

Your setup, in my opinion, seems awkward. Why not just go from modem (either
cable or DSL) to router, plug ALL PCs into the router using straight-thru
CAT 5 cable, and dump the hub? Most routers I've seen have built-in NAT
protection.

That way, all PCs are totally independent of one another and can access the
internet whether or not another PC is running, ICS is not needed, and only
one NIC is required per PC.

"Lil' Dave" > wrote in message
news:4Vgwc.2333$5B2.1284@lakeread04...
> Hi folks,
> Simple question here. Have roadrunner cable modem connected to network for
> internet service (Cox). Intend to simply swap the cable modem with DSL
> modem (Verizon).
> Setup as below
> modem
> |
> router
> |
> PC = NAT router and internet server
> |
> hub
> |
> Two PCs
>
> Only thing I can find different is that Verizon requires a PPOe setup for
> the router, Cox don't. Verizon tech support is only familar with their
> modem (theirs)-router (theirs)-PC. Haven't received DSL modem, prepping.
> Any tips?
>
>

[Lil' Dave]

"Steve Winograd [MVP]" > wrote in message
...
> In article <hYBwc.20905$aM1.4570@fed1read02>, "Lil' Dave"
> > wrote:
> >>>Simple question here. Have roadrunner cable modem connected to network
for
> >>>internet service (Cox). Intend to simply swap the cable modem with DSL
> >>>modem (Verizon).
> >>>Setup as below
> >>>modem
> >>>|
> >>>router
> >>>|
> >>>PC = NAT router and internet server
> >>>|
> >>>hub
> >>>|
> >>>Two PCs
> >>>
> >>>Only thing I can find different is that Verizon requires a PPOe setup
for
> >>>the router, Cox don't. Verizon tech support is only familar with their
> >>>modem (theirs)-router (theirs)-PC. Haven't received DSL modem,
prepping.
> >>>Any tips?
> >>
> >>I'm sorry, but I don't understand your setup: there's a hardware
> >>router between the modem and PC, and the PC acts as a NAT router.
> >>
> >>Why are there two routers? Can the hardware router (possibly with the
> >>hub connected to it) give Internet access to all three computers?
> >>That would eliminate the need to run NAT on the first PC and use it as
> >>an Internet server.
> >>
> >>A typical hardware router has PPPoE software built in. In that case,
> >>replacing the cable modem with a DSL modem shouldn't require any
> >>changes to the setup other than enabling PPPoE in the hardware router.
> >>
> >>If you connect the DSL modem directly to the first PC, without the
> >>hardware router, you'll need to install PPPoE software on the PC. One
> >>possibility is to use RASPPPoE, from:
> >>
> >>http://www.raspppoe.com
> >
> >Originally the cable modem and router was not part of this install. Was
> >using a telco modem connected to the single PC, same hub and two PCs.
The
> >single PC is using the older sygate internet sharing software, and has
> >built-in firewall software as well..
> >Went to cable. Connected the cable modem and router to the single PC.
> >Worked fine, so I left it that way.
> >
> >See no reason to change to hardware configuration that I've shown.
Thanks
> >for your advice.
>
> OK -- since you're happy with the setup, there's no need to change
> anything. I used Sygate to share a dial-up connection long ago, and I
> think it's a great program.
>
> I see one disadvantage to your setup: the primary PC has to be up and
> running at all times that the other PCs are using the Internet. That
> wouldn't be true if all the computers connected directly to the
> hardware router.
> --
> Best Wishes,
> Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
>
> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
> for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
> addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
>
> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>
> Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
> http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm

The 486 motherboard/P166 cpu has no problems running 24/7. Very reliable.
The partition is imaged to CD, if a breakin should somehow occur. I may,
some day, eliminate this PC from the equation. Probably when it breaks.

[Lil' Dave]

The single PC (486/P166) is essentially a NAT router in itself. Has two
NICs, one in/one out for internet incoming traffic to the other two PCs.
Yes, its a bit awkward in that another piece of hardware is in the network
chain. If the single PC was somehow fiicky, or unreliable; I would consider
removing it. Thing is, its not.
The router is one of the originals made prior to built-in hub. There is no
hub on the router. Yes, the router is a NAT firewall as well. Yes, I
changed its password access.
The other two PCs do not seem limited by this setup when accessing the
internet simultaneously. Originally had 10 Mbps NICs. Moved up to the 100
Mbps version NICs for all 3 PCs. That sped things up substantially.
"Papa" > wrote in message
...
> Your setup, in my opinion, seems awkward. Why not just go from modem
(either
> cable or DSL) to router, plug ALL PCs into the router using straight-thru
> CAT 5 cable, and dump the hub? Most routers I've seen have built-in NAT
> protection.
>
> That way, all PCs are totally independent of one another and can access
the
> internet whether or not another PC is running, ICS is not needed, and only
> one NIC is required per PC.
>
> "Lil' Dave" > wrote in message
> news:4Vgwc.2333$5B2.1284@lakeread04...
> > Hi folks,
> > Simple question here. Have roadrunner cable modem connected to network
for
> > internet service (Cox). Intend to simply swap the cable modem with DSL
> > modem (Verizon).
> > Setup as below
> > modem
> > |
> > router
> > |
> > PC = NAT router and internet server
> > |
> > hub
> > |
> > Two PCs
> >
> > Only thing I can find different is that Verizon requires a PPOe setup
for
> > the router, Cox don't. Verizon tech support is only familar with their
> > modem (theirs)-router (theirs)-PC. Haven't received DSL modem,
prepping.
> > Any tips?
> >
> >
>
>