Access ext drive in DOS

[Dan]

I must be mistaken because I thought the user was using Fat32.

"Phil" > wrote in message
...
: Incorrect and dated ????
: 1 - As far as I know NTFS is still not writable in DOS. Only one driver
: exists for it and is surely not certified. others exists that allow
READ-only
: features.
: 2- That the drive, accodring to yours reference, is accessible, means only
: that it is accessible "somehow" because USB/firewire usually are not under
: DOS. BUt they need to be FAT32 ( or FAT), otherwise even with drivers DOS
: won't be able ( nor Ghost either) to detect and write to it ( Ghost only
: detects NTFS as source, not as target for saving image files)
:
: 1 & 2 are very different aspects of DOS access to devices
: Phil
:
: "Dan" wrote:
:
: > Incorrect and Dated Information according to the article:
: >
: > "Imagine that you want to use Paragon Drive Backup, Powerquest's Drive
Image,
: > or Norton Ghost, to backup your hard disk partitions to that nice 120gb
: > external USB 2.0 hard disk you just bought. You can't do it. Or if your
: > wife/husband has managed to mess up her/his system so badly that it can't
: > boot anymore, yet she/he wants you to have a copy of those nice digital
: > pictures stored on a compactflash card plugged into the compactflash
reader?.
: > No way, Jose. Not from DOS, used to be the phrase.
: >
: > Well, now you CAN.
: >
: > The minor miracle here is using a driver file called "USBASPI.SYS"
: > ("Panasonic v2.06 ASPI Manager for USB mass storage"). Given the right
: > parameter incantations, this 16-bit Panasonic-developed DOS driver will
let
: > your system boot good-old DOS -any flavour, maybe even Caldera's OpenDOS
and
: > recognize all USB devices connected to the respective controllers. So
this
: > USB device identification is also useful for debugging/troubleshooting
: > purposes.
: >
: > However, it should be noted that this driver will only map mass storage
: > devices like external hard disks, cd- roms, cd-rw, dvd-rom, zip, jaz,
ls-120,
: > and flash memory to ASPI devices. Then you need an elusive "ASPI mass
storage
: > driver" to map HDs and flash disks it to a drive letter in DOS. This one
goes
: > by the name "di1000dd.sys", commonly referred to as the "Motto Hairu USB
: > Driver". Don't ask why, it's called that, I don't know."
: >
: >
: > "Phil" > wrote in message
: > ...
: > : I imagine the HD is not NTFS . Otherwise no way to use correctly in
DOS.
: > :
: > :
: > : "Dan" wrote:
: > :
: > : > Richard, do you think this would help the user? The page warns the
user
: > to
: > : > use the drive at their own risk and I have not tried it.
: > : >
: > : > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215
: > : >
: > : > "Richard G. Harper" > wrote in message
: > : > ...
: > : > : Unfortunately, the probable answer is, "You aren't going to be able
: > to."
: > : > :
: > : > : If your computer is new enough it may offer BIOS support for USB
: > devices
: > : > : that would allow you to be able to, but I'm guessing that it
doesn't
: > from
: > : > : the approach you're taking here. The reason that Norton Ghost can
: > access
: > : > it
: > : > : is because it has the necessary support built into the Ghost
program.
: > : > :
: > : > : Consider, if you will, a CDROM drive in DOS Mode. You cannot
access it
: > at
: > : > : all unless you load two device drivers - one being a low-level IDE
: > driver
: > : > : (one that came with the drive, or for most drives the generic
: > OAKCDROM.SYS
: > : > : driver that a boot diskette contains) that allows the drive to be
seen
: > by
: > : > : BIOS as a storage device, then a high-level driver (MSCDEX.EXE)
that
: > tells
: > : > : DOS how to access the low-level drivers and make the data on the
drive
: > : > : accessible by DOS and software running under it.
: > : > :
: > : > : The drivers you've loaded from the Ghost floppy are almost surely
the
: > : > : low-level drivers that make the drive visible. What you're missing
are
: > the
: > : > : high-level drivers that tell DOS how to access the drive now that
it
: > can be
: > : > : seen. I have never heard of any such drivers. If there were any,
they
: > : > : would have to come from the device manufacturer. I strongly
suspect
: > there
: > : > : are none because no USB-attached drive (thumb drive, hard drive,
etc)
: > can
: > : > be
: > : > : used in DOS mode, only by Windows 98 SE or greater.
: > : > :
: > : > : This is where BIOS support available on newer computers comes in -
it
: > : > : includes the necessary information for BIOS to see the drive and
make
: > it
: > : > : available as if it were an attached drive. DOS doesn't need any
: > drivers
: > : > : when BIOS support is available because the BIOS causes the drive to
: > appear
: > : > : as if it were an attached floppy or hard drive.
: > : > :
: > : > : --
: > : > : Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
: > : > : * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
: > : > : * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
: > : > : * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
: > : > : * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
: > : > :
: > : > :
: > : > : "anonymous" > wrote in message
: > : > : ...
: > : > : > Hello Brian,
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Many thanks for your response.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > To summarise my previous message:
: > : > : > I have no problem running Norton Ghost with the USB
: > : > : > connected external hard drive, but I'd like to be able to
: > : > : > access the USB connected external hard drive from within
: > : > : > normal DOS rather than from within the Ghost DOS
: > : > : > application.
: > : > :
: > : > :
: > : >
: > : >
: > : >
: >
: >
: >

[anonymous]

Hello,

I'd like to be able to access my "Freecom Classic"
external hard drive from DOS, just in case something
might "go wrong" with Windows.

The manufacturer_ of this external hard drive states there
are no drivers provided for use with DOS, but, I noticed
when I purchased Symantec's "Norton Ghost 2003" that this
application provides drivers allowing it to be used
successfully with my external hard drive from DOS from_
within the Ghost application, which only displays Ghost
image files.

So, I experimented with copying those drivers and
their "config.sys" instructions to a "Win98 Startup
diskette". To my satisfaction, upon booting_ into DOS
using that startup floppy, my external drive started up
(ie. I can hear it start and it also has a function
light)!
Unfortunately, having achieved that, I then found I could
not find any way to access from DOS the data on the
external drive, because I could not find any valid drive
letter to enter to use for my external drive -
frustrating!

How can I successfully access the external drive from DOS?

The following are previous responses and my replies.
Unfortunately I have not yet found an answer:


- - previous responses to my question - -

Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS
From: "Bill Watt" >
Sent: 3/1/2005 12:16:43 AM

If it's a USB drive try here: Yes, there are USB drivers
for DOS... http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215
Regards, Bill Watt Computer Help and Information
http://home.epix.net/~bwatt/
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:11:05 -0800, "anonymous"
> wrote:


Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS
From: "anonymous" >
Sent: 3/1/2005 5:36:12 AM

Hello Bill,

Many thanks for your response. I tried the driver
suggested at the URL you mentioned.

I added the Panasonic driver to a win98SE startup floppy
and the extra lines to its config.sys and also added to
the floppy additionally required Motto Hairu USB driver.

Unfortunately it was not successfull. The following is
the message I got when I booted up from the win98se
Startup floppy with the addditional files:

"APPI Manager for USB mass-storage Version 2.06
(c) Copyright Panasonic Communications Co., Ltd. 2000-2003

==================================================
=== Connect the target device to USB port. ===
=== Press [Enter] to continue ===
==================================================
ERROR: PCI UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found"

I would add that the external drive is connected to the
PC's USB port direct and not through a USB Hub.

Any suggestions how to make it work would be appreciated.

Regards,


Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
From: "Dan" >
Sent: 3/1/2005 11:08:33 AM

You have to go into the Device Manager and look for any
Device Drivers that are not working. Also, make sure all
Device Drivers are showing up. If you have a Device
Driver that is not working you have to point that Device
Driver to the right area in your hard drive that has the
information. I had to do this a while back with my 98SE
system and I ended up manually going through the whole
Windows Folder until I found what I needed. I am sure
their is a quicker way to know what you need but I do not
know a quicker route. Perhaps Hugh, PCR, Gary Terhune,
Chris Quirke, Bill Starbuck or someone else can help you
more.


Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
From: "anonymous" >
Sent: 3/1/2005 5:43:16 PM

Many thanks Dan for your response.

All the Device Drivers appear to be present and working
when seen in Device Manager.

There is no difficulty using the Symantec "Norton Ghost"
DOS drivers use the external hard drive, but this works
within its own application and is only for using Ghost
image files.

If I add those DOS drivers from Norton Ghost together with
the additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
Startup floppy, there are no error messages - but also
unfortunately no drive letter in DOS to use, to access the
external USB connected drive.

It is only when I try adding the Panasonic driver already
mentioned in my previous message, together with the
additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
Startup floppy and try using that to boot into DOS, that I
then get the mentioned error message: "ERROR: PCI
UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found" - I've never
seen such a message in any other circumstance.

If anyone has any further ideas how I can access my USB
connected external hard drive in DOS, it would be most
appreciated.

Regards,

- - End of previous responses to my question - -

[Brian A.]

If the BIOS can see your external drive then Ghost should be able to use
it.

Five things come to mind.
First and foremost, create the Ghost boot disk using the appropriate Wizard
instead of copying files to a 98 boot disk. You need to boot to Ghost in DOS
and then access the drive.
Setup Ghost to assign drive letters in DOS.
Use MS DOS instead of PC DOS.
Create a Ghost Virtual Partition on the ext drive. Make sure you have
ghreboot there so you can get out of it.
Add Ghost switches. Of the many switches 2 are -usbm (usb master) and -usbs
(usb slave). RTFM.

If you have misplaced it you can download them from Symantec's site. This is
the one for Ghost 2002:
http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/ghost/ghost_2002_info_man.html

If you need it for another version, have a go at it thru their support site.

Time for me to hit the sheets, if I think of anything else after I have
bright eyes and a bushy tail I'll let you know. As well if I remember
when/if I awaken, I'll scout out some info on the use of external drives and
USB for Ghost. Other than that your on your own if no one else helps seeing
that this is not a Win98 issue.

--

Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"anonymous" > wrote in message
...
> Hello,
>
> I'd like to be able to access my "Freecom Classic"
> external hard drive from DOS, just in case something
> might "go wrong" with Windows.
>
> The manufacturer_ of this external hard drive states there
> are no drivers provided for use with DOS, but, I noticed
> when I purchased Symantec's "Norton Ghost 2003" that this
> application provides drivers allowing it to be used
> successfully with my external hard drive from DOS from_
> within the Ghost application, which only displays Ghost
> image files.
>
> So, I experimented with copying those drivers and
> their "config.sys" instructions to a "Win98 Startup
> diskette". To my satisfaction, upon booting_ into DOS
> using that startup floppy, my external drive started up
> (ie. I can hear it start and it also has a function
> light)!
> Unfortunately, having achieved that, I then found I could
> not find any way to access from DOS the data on the
> external drive, because I could not find any valid drive
> letter to enter to use for my external drive -
> frustrating!
>
> How can I successfully access the external drive from DOS?
>
> The following are previous responses and my replies.
> Unfortunately I have not yet found an answer:
>
>
> - - previous responses to my question - -
>
> Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS
> From: "Bill Watt" >
> Sent: 3/1/2005 12:16:43 AM
>
> If it's a USB drive try here: Yes, there are USB drivers
> for DOS... http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215
> Regards, Bill Watt Computer Help and Information
> http://home.epix.net/~bwatt/
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:11:05 -0800, "anonymous"
> > wrote:
>
>
> Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS
> From: "anonymous" >
> Sent: 3/1/2005 5:36:12 AM
>
> Hello Bill,
>
> Many thanks for your response. I tried the driver
> suggested at the URL you mentioned.
>
> I added the Panasonic driver to a win98SE startup floppy
> and the extra lines to its config.sys and also added to
> the floppy additionally required Motto Hairu USB driver.
>
> Unfortunately it was not successfull. The following is
> the message I got when I booted up from the win98se
> Startup floppy with the addditional files:
>
> "APPI Manager for USB mass-storage Version 2.06
> (c) Copyright Panasonic Communications Co., Ltd. 2000-2003
>
> ==================================================
> === Connect the target device to USB port. ===
> === Press [Enter] to continue ===
> ==================================================
> ERROR: PCI UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found"
>
> I would add that the external drive is connected to the
> PC's USB port direct and not through a USB Hub.
>
> Any suggestions how to make it work would be appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
> From: "Dan" >
> Sent: 3/1/2005 11:08:33 AM
>
> You have to go into the Device Manager and look for any
> Device Drivers that are not working. Also, make sure all
> Device Drivers are showing up. If you have a Device
> Driver that is not working you have to point that Device
> Driver to the right area in your hard drive that has the
> information. I had to do this a while back with my 98SE
> system and I ended up manually going through the whole
> Windows Folder until I found what I needed. I am sure
> their is a quicker way to know what you need but I do not
> know a quicker route. Perhaps Hugh, PCR, Gary Terhune,
> Chris Quirke, Bill Starbuck or someone else can help you
> more.
>
>
> Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
> From: "anonymous" >
> Sent: 3/1/2005 5:43:16 PM
>
> Many thanks Dan for your response.
>
> All the Device Drivers appear to be present and working
> when seen in Device Manager.
>
> There is no difficulty using the Symantec "Norton Ghost"
> DOS drivers use the external hard drive, but this works
> within its own application and is only for using Ghost
> image files.
>
> If I add those DOS drivers from Norton Ghost together with
> the additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
> Startup floppy, there are no error messages - but also
> unfortunately no drive letter in DOS to use, to access the
> external USB connected drive.
>
> It is only when I try adding the Panasonic driver already
> mentioned in my previous message, together with the
> additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
> Startup floppy and try using that to boot into DOS, that I
> then get the mentioned error message: "ERROR: PCI
> UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found" - I've never
> seen such a message in any other circumstance.
>
> If anyone has any further ideas how I can access my USB
> connected external hard drive in DOS, it would be most
> appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> - - End of previous responses to my question - -
>
>
>
>

[anonymous]

Hello Brian,

Many thanks for your response.

To summarise my previous message:
I have no problem running Norton Ghost with the USB
connected external hard drive, but I'd like to be able to
access the USB connected external hard drive from within
normal DOS rather than from within the Ghost DOS
application.

Regards,

>-----Original Message-----
>Hello,
>
>I'd like to be able to access my "Freecom Classic"
>external hard drive from DOS, just in case something
>might "go wrong" with Windows.
>
>The manufacturer_ of this external hard drive states
there
>are no drivers provided for use with DOS, but, I noticed
>when I purchased Symantec's "Norton Ghost 2003" that this
>application provides drivers allowing it to be used
>successfully with my external hard drive from DOS from_
>within the Ghost application, which only displays Ghost
>image files.
>
>So, I experimented with copying those drivers and
>their "config.sys" instructions to a "Win98 Startup
>diskette". To my satisfaction, upon booting_ into DOS
>using that startup floppy, my external drive started up
>(ie. I can hear it start and it also has a function
>light)!
>Unfortunately, having achieved that, I then found I could
>not find any way to access from DOS the data on the
>external drive, because I could not find any valid drive
>letter to enter to use for my external drive -
>frustrating!
>
>How can I successfully access the external drive from DOS?
>
>The following are previous responses and my replies.
>Unfortunately I have not yet found an answer:
>
>
>- - previous responses to my question - -
>
>Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS
>From: "Bill Watt" >
>Sent: 3/1/2005 12:16:43 AM
>
>If it's a USB drive try here: Yes, there are USB drivers
>for DOS... http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215
>Regards, Bill Watt Computer Help and Information
>http://home.epix.net/~bwatt/
>On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:11:05 -0800, "anonymous"
> wrote:
>
>
>Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS
>From: "anonymous" >
>Sent: 3/1/2005 5:36:12 AM
>
>Hello Bill,
>
>Many thanks for your response. I tried the driver
>suggested at the URL you mentioned.
>
>I added the Panasonic driver to a win98SE startup floppy
>and the extra lines to its config.sys and also added to
>the floppy additionally required Motto Hairu USB driver.
>
>Unfortunately it was not successfull. The following is
>the message I got when I booted up from the win98se
>Startup floppy with the addditional files:
>
>"APPI Manager for USB mass-storage Version 2.06
>(c) Copyright Panasonic Communications Co., Ltd. 2000-2003
>
>==================================================
>=== Connect the target device to USB port. ===
>=== Press [Enter] to continue ===
>==================================================
>ERROR: PCI UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found"
>
>I would add that the external drive is connected to the
>PC's USB port direct and not through a USB Hub.
>
>Any suggestions how to make it work would be appreciated.
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
>From: "Dan" >
>Sent: 3/1/2005 11:08:33 AM
>
>You have to go into the Device Manager and look for any
>Device Drivers that are not working. Also, make sure all
>Device Drivers are showing up. If you have a Device
>Driver that is not working you have to point that Device
>Driver to the right area in your hard drive that has the
>information. I had to do this a while back with my 98SE
>system and I ended up manually going through the whole
>Windows Folder until I found what I needed. I am sure
>their is a quicker way to know what you need but I do not
>know a quicker route. Perhaps Hugh, PCR, Gary Terhune,
>Chris Quirke, Bill Starbuck or someone else can help you
>more.
>
>
>Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
>From: "anonymous" >
>Sent: 3/1/2005 5:43:16 PM
>
>Many thanks Dan for your response.
>
>All the Device Drivers appear to be present and working
>when seen in Device Manager.
>
>There is no difficulty using the Symantec "Norton Ghost"
>DOS drivers use the external hard drive, but this works
>within its own application and is only for using Ghost
>image files.
>
>If I add those DOS drivers from Norton Ghost together
with
>the additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
>Startup floppy, there are no error messages - but also
>unfortunately no drive letter in DOS to use, to access
the
>external USB connected drive.
>
>It is only when I try adding the Panasonic driver already
>mentioned in my previous message, together with the
>additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
>Startup floppy and try using that to boot into DOS, that
I
>then get the mentioned error message: "ERROR: PCI
>UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found" - I've
never
>seen such a message in any other circumstance.
>
>If anyone has any further ideas how I can access my USB
>connected external hard drive in DOS, it would be most
>appreciated.
>
>Regards,
>
>- - End of previous responses to my question - -
>
>
>
>
>.
>

[anonymous]

Correction:

I'd like to be able to access the USB connected external
hard drive, not just from within the Ghost DOS application
but also be able to have the opportunity to access it from
normal DOS. This is so I can access all files and folders
(copied from the main drive) on the external hard drive,
in case something goes wrong with Windows.

>-----Original Message-----
>Hello Brian,
>
>Many thanks for your response.
>
>To summarise my previous message:
>I have no problem running Norton Ghost with the USB
>connected external hard drive, but I'd like to be able to
>access the USB connected external hard drive from within
>normal DOS rather than from within the Ghost DOS
>application.
>
>Regards,
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>Hello,
>>
>>I'd like to be able to access my "Freecom Classic"
>>external hard drive from DOS, just in case something
>>might "go wrong" with Windows.
>>
>>The manufacturer_ of this external hard drive states
>there
>>are no drivers provided for use with DOS, but, I noticed
>>when I purchased Symantec's "Norton Ghost 2003" that
this
>>application provides drivers allowing it to be used
>>successfully with my external hard drive from DOS from_
>>within the Ghost application, which only displays Ghost
>>image files.
>>
>>So, I experimented with copying those drivers and
>>their "config.sys" instructions to a "Win98 Startup
>>diskette". To my satisfaction, upon booting_ into DOS
>>using that startup floppy, my external drive started up
>>(ie. I can hear it start and it also has a function
>>light)!
>>Unfortunately, having achieved that, I then found I
could
>>not find any way to access from DOS the data on the
>>external drive, because I could not find any valid drive
>>letter to enter to use for my external drive -
>>frustrating!
>>
>>How can I successfully access the external drive from
DOS?
>>
>>The following are previous responses and my replies.
>>Unfortunately I have not yet found an answer:
>>
>>
>>- - previous responses to my question - -
>>
>>Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS
>>From: "Bill Watt" >
>>Sent: 3/1/2005 12:16:43 AM
>>
>>If it's a USB drive try here: Yes, there are USB drivers
>>for DOS... http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215
>>Regards, Bill Watt Computer Help and Information
>>http://home.epix.net/~bwatt/
>>On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:11:05 -0800, "anonymous"
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS
>>From: "anonymous" >
>>Sent: 3/1/2005 5:36:12 AM
>>
>>Hello Bill,
>>
>>Many thanks for your response. I tried the driver
>>suggested at the URL you mentioned.
>>
>>I added the Panasonic driver to a win98SE startup floppy
>>and the extra lines to its config.sys and also added to
>>the floppy additionally required Motto Hairu USB
driver.
>>
>>Unfortunately it was not successfull. The following is
>>the message I got when I booted up from the win98se
>>Startup floppy with the addditional files:
>>
>>"APPI Manager for USB mass-storage Version 2.06
>>(c) Copyright Panasonic Communications Co., Ltd. 2000-
2003
>>
>>==================================================
>>=== Connect the target device to USB port. ===
>>=== Press [Enter] to continue ===
>>==================================================
>>ERROR: PCI UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found"
>>
>>I would add that the external drive is connected to the
>>PC's USB port direct and not through a USB Hub.
>>
>>Any suggestions how to make it work would be appreciated.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>
>>Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
>>From: "Dan" >
>>Sent: 3/1/2005 11:08:33 AM
>>
>>You have to go into the Device Manager and look for any
>>Device Drivers that are not working. Also, make sure
all
>>Device Drivers are showing up. If you have a Device
>>Driver that is not working you have to point that Device
>>Driver to the right area in your hard drive that has the
>>information. I had to do this a while back with my 98SE
>>system and I ended up manually going through the whole
>>Windows Folder until I found what I needed. I am sure
>>their is a quicker way to know what you need but I do
not
>>know a quicker route. Perhaps Hugh, PCR, Gary Terhune,
>>Chris Quirke, Bill Starbuck or someone else can help you
>>more.
>>
>>
>>Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
>>From: "anonymous" >
>>Sent: 3/1/2005 5:43:16 PM
>>
>>Many thanks Dan for your response.
>>
>>All the Device Drivers appear to be present and working
>>when seen in Device Manager.
>>
>>There is no difficulty using the Symantec "Norton Ghost"
>>DOS drivers use the external hard drive, but this works
>>within its own application and is only for using Ghost
>>image files.
>>
>>If I add those DOS drivers from Norton Ghost together
>with
>>the additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
>>Startup floppy, there are no error messages - but also
>>unfortunately no drive letter in DOS to use, to access
>the
>>external USB connected drive.
>>
>>It is only when I try adding the Panasonic driver
already
>>mentioned in my previous message, together with the
>>additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
>>Startup floppy and try using that to boot into DOS, that
>I
>>then get the mentioned error message: "ERROR: PCI
>>UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found" - I've
>never
>>seen such a message in any other circumstance.
>>
>>If anyone has any further ideas how I can access my USB
>>connected external hard drive in DOS, it would be most
>>appreciated.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>- - End of previous responses to my question - -
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>.
>>
>.
>

[Richard G. Harper]

Unfortunately, the probable answer is, "You aren't going to be able to."

If your computer is new enough it may offer BIOS support for USB devices
that would allow you to be able to, but I'm guessing that it doesn't from
the approach you're taking here. The reason that Norton Ghost can access it
is because it has the necessary support built into the Ghost program.

Consider, if you will, a CDROM drive in DOS Mode. You cannot access it at
all unless you load two device drivers - one being a low-level IDE driver
(one that came with the drive, or for most drives the generic OAKCDROM.SYS
driver that a boot diskette contains) that allows the drive to be seen by
BIOS as a storage device, then a high-level driver (MSCDEX.EXE) that tells
DOS how to access the low-level drivers and make the data on the drive
accessible by DOS and software running under it.

The drivers you've loaded from the Ghost floppy are almost surely the
low-level drivers that make the drive visible. What you're missing are the
high-level drivers that tell DOS how to access the drive now that it can be
seen. I have never heard of any such drivers. If there were any, they
would have to come from the device manufacturer. I strongly suspect there
are none because no USB-attached drive (thumb drive, hard drive, etc) can be
used in DOS mode, only by Windows 98 SE or greater.

This is where BIOS support available on newer computers comes in - it
includes the necessary information for BIOS to see the drive and make it
available as if it were an attached drive. DOS doesn't need any drivers
when BIOS support is available because the BIOS causes the drive to appear
as if it were an attached floppy or hard drive.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"anonymous" > wrote in message
...
> Hello Brian,
>
> Many thanks for your response.
>
> To summarise my previous message:
> I have no problem running Norton Ghost with the USB
> connected external hard drive, but I'd like to be able to
> access the USB connected external hard drive from within
> normal DOS rather than from within the Ghost DOS
> application.

[Dan]

Richard, do you think this would help the user? The page warns the user to
use the drive at their own risk and I have not tried it.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215

"Richard G. Harper" > wrote in message
...
: Unfortunately, the probable answer is, "You aren't going to be able to."
:
: If your computer is new enough it may offer BIOS support for USB devices
: that would allow you to be able to, but I'm guessing that it doesn't from
: the approach you're taking here. The reason that Norton Ghost can access
it
: is because it has the necessary support built into the Ghost program.
:
: Consider, if you will, a CDROM drive in DOS Mode. You cannot access it at
: all unless you load two device drivers - one being a low-level IDE driver
: (one that came with the drive, or for most drives the generic OAKCDROM.SYS
: driver that a boot diskette contains) that allows the drive to be seen by
: BIOS as a storage device, then a high-level driver (MSCDEX.EXE) that tells
: DOS how to access the low-level drivers and make the data on the drive
: accessible by DOS and software running under it.
:
: The drivers you've loaded from the Ghost floppy are almost surely the
: low-level drivers that make the drive visible. What you're missing are the
: high-level drivers that tell DOS how to access the drive now that it can be
: seen. I have never heard of any such drivers. If there were any, they
: would have to come from the device manufacturer. I strongly suspect there
: are none because no USB-attached drive (thumb drive, hard drive, etc) can
be
: used in DOS mode, only by Windows 98 SE or greater.
:
: This is where BIOS support available on newer computers comes in - it
: includes the necessary information for BIOS to see the drive and make it
: available as if it were an attached drive. DOS doesn't need any drivers
: when BIOS support is available because the BIOS causes the drive to appear
: as if it were an attached floppy or hard drive.
:
: --
: Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
: * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
: * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
: * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
: * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
:
:
: "anonymous" > wrote in message
: ...
: > Hello Brian,
: >
: > Many thanks for your response.
: >
: > To summarise my previous message:
: > I have no problem running Norton Ghost with the USB
: > connected external hard drive, but I'd like to be able to
: > access the USB connected external hard drive from within
: > normal DOS rather than from within the Ghost DOS
: > application.
:
:

[Phil]

I imagine the HD is not NTFS . Otherwise no way to use correctly in DOS.


"Dan" wrote:

> Richard, do you think this would help the user? The page warns the user to
> use the drive at their own risk and I have not tried it.
>
> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215
>
> "Richard G. Harper" > wrote in message
> ...
> : Unfortunately, the probable answer is, "You aren't going to be able to."
> :
> : If your computer is new enough it may offer BIOS support for USB devices
> : that would allow you to be able to, but I'm guessing that it doesn't from
> : the approach you're taking here. The reason that Norton Ghost can access
> it
> : is because it has the necessary support built into the Ghost program.
> :
> : Consider, if you will, a CDROM drive in DOS Mode. You cannot access it at
> : all unless you load two device drivers - one being a low-level IDE driver
> : (one that came with the drive, or for most drives the generic OAKCDROM.SYS
> : driver that a boot diskette contains) that allows the drive to be seen by
> : BIOS as a storage device, then a high-level driver (MSCDEX.EXE) that tells
> : DOS how to access the low-level drivers and make the data on the drive
> : accessible by DOS and software running under it.
> :
> : The drivers you've loaded from the Ghost floppy are almost surely the
> : low-level drivers that make the drive visible. What you're missing are the
> : high-level drivers that tell DOS how to access the drive now that it can be
> : seen. I have never heard of any such drivers. If there were any, they
> : would have to come from the device manufacturer. I strongly suspect there
> : are none because no USB-attached drive (thumb drive, hard drive, etc) can
> be
> : used in DOS mode, only by Windows 98 SE or greater.
> :
> : This is where BIOS support available on newer computers comes in - it
> : includes the necessary information for BIOS to see the drive and make it
> : available as if it were an attached drive. DOS doesn't need any drivers
> : when BIOS support is available because the BIOS causes the drive to appear
> : as if it were an attached floppy or hard drive.
> :
> : --
> : Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
> : * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
> : * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
> : * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
> : * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> :
> :
> : "anonymous" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > Hello Brian,
> : >
> : > Many thanks for your response.
> : >
> : > To summarise my previous message:
> : > I have no problem running Norton Ghost with the USB
> : > connected external hard drive, but I'd like to be able to
> : > access the USB connected external hard drive from within
> : > normal DOS rather than from within the Ghost DOS
> : > application.
> :
> :
>
>
>

[Phil]

Does Norton Ghost allow to browse this HD & save an image to it ?
If yes then it should be possible to do it, since Ghost functions in pure
MS-DOS or PC-DOS.
Give it a try.
If that works, copy-paste your autoexec.bat & config.sys files here & those
of teh Ghoststart diskette.

Phil

"anonymous" wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'd like to be able to access my "Freecom Classic"
> external hard drive from DOS, just in case something
> might "go wrong" with Windows.
>
> The manufacturer_ of this external hard drive states there
> are no drivers provided for use with DOS, but, I noticed
> when I purchased Symantec's "Norton Ghost 2003" that this
> application provides drivers allowing it to be used
> successfully with my external hard drive from DOS from_
> within the Ghost application, which only displays Ghost
> image files.
>
> So, I experimented with copying those drivers and
> their "config.sys" instructions to a "Win98 Startup
> diskette". To my satisfaction, upon booting_ into DOS
> using that startup floppy, my external drive started up
> (ie. I can hear it start and it also has a function
> light)!
> Unfortunately, having achieved that, I then found I could
> not find any way to access from DOS the data on the
> external drive, because I could not find any valid drive
> letter to enter to use for my external drive -
> frustrating!
>
> How can I successfully access the external drive from DOS?
>
> The following are previous responses and my replies.
> Unfortunately I have not yet found an answer:
>
>
> - - previous responses to my question - -
>
> Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS
> From: "Bill Watt" >
> Sent: 3/1/2005 12:16:43 AM
>
> If it's a USB drive try here: Yes, there are USB drivers
> for DOS... http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215
> Regards, Bill Watt Computer Help and Information
> http://home.epix.net/~bwatt/
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:11:05 -0800, "anonymous"
> > wrote:
>
>
> Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS
> From: "anonymous" >
> Sent: 3/1/2005 5:36:12 AM
>
> Hello Bill,
>
> Many thanks for your response. I tried the driver
> suggested at the URL you mentioned.
>
> I added the Panasonic driver to a win98SE startup floppy
> and the extra lines to its config.sys and also added to
> the floppy additionally required Motto Hairu USB driver.
>
> Unfortunately it was not successfull. The following is
> the message I got when I booted up from the win98se
> Startup floppy with the addditional files:
>
> "APPI Manager for USB mass-storage Version 2.06
> (c) Copyright Panasonic Communications Co., Ltd. 2000-2003
>
> ==================================================
> === Connect the target device to USB port. ===
> === Press [Enter] to continue ===
> ==================================================
> ERROR: PCI UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found"
>
> I would add that the external drive is connected to the
> PC's USB port direct and not through a USB Hub.
>
> Any suggestions how to make it work would be appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
> From: "Dan" >
> Sent: 3/1/2005 11:08:33 AM
>
> You have to go into the Device Manager and look for any
> Device Drivers that are not working. Also, make sure all
> Device Drivers are showing up. If you have a Device
> Driver that is not working you have to point that Device
> Driver to the right area in your hard drive that has the
> information. I had to do this a while back with my 98SE
> system and I ended up manually going through the whole
> Windows Folder until I found what I needed. I am sure
> their is a quicker way to know what you need but I do not
> know a quicker route. Perhaps Hugh, PCR, Gary Terhune,
> Chris Quirke, Bill Starbuck or someone else can help you
> more.
>
>
> Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
> From: "anonymous" >
> Sent: 3/1/2005 5:43:16 PM
>
> Many thanks Dan for your response.
>
> All the Device Drivers appear to be present and working
> when seen in Device Manager.
>
> There is no difficulty using the Symantec "Norton Ghost"
> DOS drivers use the external hard drive, but this works
> within its own application and is only for using Ghost
> image files.
>
> If I add those DOS drivers from Norton Ghost together with
> the additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
> Startup floppy, there are no error messages - but also
> unfortunately no drive letter in DOS to use, to access the
> external USB connected drive.
>
> It is only when I try adding the Panasonic driver already
> mentioned in my previous message, together with the
> additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
> Startup floppy and try using that to boot into DOS, that I
> then get the mentioned error message: "ERROR: PCI
> UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found" - I've never
> seen such a message in any other circumstance.
>
> If anyone has any further ideas how I can access my USB
> connected external hard drive in DOS, it would be most
> appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> - - End of previous responses to my question - -
>
>
>
>
>

[Phil]

Take a look here :

http://www.stefan2000.com/darkehorse/PC/DOS/Drivers/USB/

or here :

http://newdos.yginfo.net/usbdos.htm
http://www.computing.net/dos/wwwboard/forum/15416.html

Best of luck.


"anonymous" wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'd like to be able to access my "Freecom Classic"
> external hard drive from DOS, just in case something
> might "go wrong" with Windows.
>
> The manufacturer_ of this external hard drive states there
> are no drivers provided for use with DOS, but, I noticed
> when I purchased Symantec's "Norton Ghost 2003" that this
> application provides drivers allowing it to be used
> successfully with my external hard drive from DOS from_
> within the Ghost application, which only displays Ghost
> image files.
>
> So, I experimented with copying those drivers and
> their "config.sys" instructions to a "Win98 Startup
> diskette". To my satisfaction, upon booting_ into DOS
> using that startup floppy, my external drive started up
> (ie. I can hear it start and it also has a function
> light)!
> Unfortunately, having achieved that, I then found I could
> not find any way to access from DOS the data on the
> external drive, because I could not find any valid drive
> letter to enter to use for my external drive -
> frustrating!
>
> How can I successfully access the external drive from DOS?
>
> The following are previous responses and my replies.
> Unfortunately I have not yet found an answer:
>
>
> - - previous responses to my question - -
>
> Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS
> From: "Bill Watt" >
> Sent: 3/1/2005 12:16:43 AM
>
> If it's a USB drive try here: Yes, there are USB drivers
> for DOS... http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215
> Regards, Bill Watt Computer Help and Information
> http://home.epix.net/~bwatt/
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:11:05 -0800, "anonymous"
> > wrote:
>
>
> Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS
> From: "anonymous" >
> Sent: 3/1/2005 5:36:12 AM
>
> Hello Bill,
>
> Many thanks for your response. I tried the driver
> suggested at the URL you mentioned.
>
> I added the Panasonic driver to a win98SE startup floppy
> and the extra lines to its config.sys and also added to
> the floppy additionally required Motto Hairu USB driver.
>
> Unfortunately it was not successfull. The following is
> the message I got when I booted up from the win98se
> Startup floppy with the addditional files:
>
> "APPI Manager for USB mass-storage Version 2.06
> (c) Copyright Panasonic Communications Co., Ltd. 2000-2003
>
> ==================================================
> === Connect the target device to USB port. ===
> === Press [Enter] to continue ===
> ==================================================
> ERROR: PCI UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found"
>
> I would add that the external drive is connected to the
> PC's USB port direct and not through a USB Hub.
>
> Any suggestions how to make it work would be appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
> From: "Dan" >
> Sent: 3/1/2005 11:08:33 AM
>
> You have to go into the Device Manager and look for any
> Device Drivers that are not working. Also, make sure all
> Device Drivers are showing up. If you have a Device
> Driver that is not working you have to point that Device
> Driver to the right area in your hard drive that has the
> information. I had to do this a while back with my 98SE
> system and I ended up manually going through the whole
> Windows Folder until I found what I needed. I am sure
> their is a quicker way to know what you need but I do not
> know a quicker route. Perhaps Hugh, PCR, Gary Terhune,
> Chris Quirke, Bill Starbuck or someone else can help you
> more.
>
>
> Subject: Re: Access ext drive in DOS ATT: MVP's
> From: "anonymous" >
> Sent: 3/1/2005 5:43:16 PM
>
> Many thanks Dan for your response.
>
> All the Device Drivers appear to be present and working
> when seen in Device Manager.
>
> There is no difficulty using the Symantec "Norton Ghost"
> DOS drivers use the external hard drive, but this works
> within its own application and is only for using Ghost
> image files.
>
> If I add those DOS drivers from Norton Ghost together with
> the additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
> Startup floppy, there are no error messages - but also
> unfortunately no drive letter in DOS to use, to access the
> external USB connected drive.
>
> It is only when I try adding the Panasonic driver already
> mentioned in my previous message, together with the
> additional "Motto Hairu" USB driver, to the Win98SE
> Startup floppy and try using that to boot into DOS, that I
> then get the mentioned error message: "ERROR: PCI
> UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found" - I've never
> seen such a message in any other circumstance.
>
> If anyone has any further ideas how I can access my USB
> connected external hard drive in DOS, it would be most
> appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> - - End of previous responses to my question - -
>
>
>
>
>

[Dan]

Incorrect and Dated Information according to the article:

"Imagine that you want to use Paragon Drive Backup, Powerquest's Drive Image,
or Norton Ghost, to backup your hard disk partitions to that nice 120gb
external USB 2.0 hard disk you just bought. You can't do it. Or if your
wife/husband has managed to mess up her/his system so badly that it can't
boot anymore, yet she/he wants you to have a copy of those nice digital
pictures stored on a compactflash card plugged into the compactflash reader?.
No way, Jose. Not from DOS, used to be the phrase.

Well, now you CAN.

The minor miracle here is using a driver file called "USBASPI.SYS"
("Panasonic v2.06 ASPI Manager for USB mass storage"). Given the right
parameter incantations, this 16-bit Panasonic-developed DOS driver will let
your system boot good-old DOS -any flavour, maybe even Caldera's OpenDOS and
recognize all USB devices connected to the respective controllers. So this
USB device identification is also useful for debugging/troubleshooting
purposes.

However, it should be noted that this driver will only map mass storage
devices like external hard disks, cd- roms, cd-rw, dvd-rom, zip, jaz, ls-120,
and flash memory to ASPI devices. Then you need an elusive "ASPI mass storage
driver" to map HDs and flash disks it to a drive letter in DOS. This one goes
by the name "di1000dd.sys", commonly referred to as the "Motto Hairu USB
Driver". Don't ask why, it's called that, I don't know."


"Phil" > wrote in message
...
: I imagine the HD is not NTFS . Otherwise no way to use correctly in DOS.
:
:
: "Dan" wrote:
:
: > Richard, do you think this would help the user? The page warns the user
to
: > use the drive at their own risk and I have not tried it.
: >
: > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215
: >
: > "Richard G. Harper" > wrote in message
: > ...
: > : Unfortunately, the probable answer is, "You aren't going to be able
to."
: > :
: > : If your computer is new enough it may offer BIOS support for USB
devices
: > : that would allow you to be able to, but I'm guessing that it doesn't
from
: > : the approach you're taking here. The reason that Norton Ghost can
access
: > it
: > : is because it has the necessary support built into the Ghost program.
: > :
: > : Consider, if you will, a CDROM drive in DOS Mode. You cannot access it
at
: > : all unless you load two device drivers - one being a low-level IDE
driver
: > : (one that came with the drive, or for most drives the generic
OAKCDROM.SYS
: > : driver that a boot diskette contains) that allows the drive to be seen
by
: > : BIOS as a storage device, then a high-level driver (MSCDEX.EXE) that
tells
: > : DOS how to access the low-level drivers and make the data on the drive
: > : accessible by DOS and software running under it.
: > :
: > : The drivers you've loaded from the Ghost floppy are almost surely the
: > : low-level drivers that make the drive visible. What you're missing are
the
: > : high-level drivers that tell DOS how to access the drive now that it
can be
: > : seen. I have never heard of any such drivers. If there were any, they
: > : would have to come from the device manufacturer. I strongly suspect
there
: > : are none because no USB-attached drive (thumb drive, hard drive, etc)
can
: > be
: > : used in DOS mode, only by Windows 98 SE or greater.
: > :
: > : This is where BIOS support available on newer computers comes in - it
: > : includes the necessary information for BIOS to see the drive and make
it
: > : available as if it were an attached drive. DOS doesn't need any
drivers
: > : when BIOS support is available because the BIOS causes the drive to
appear
: > : as if it were an attached floppy or hard drive.
: > :
: > : --
: > : Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
: > : * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
: > : * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
: > : * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
: > : * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
: > :
: > :
: > : "anonymous" > wrote in message
: > : ...
: > : > Hello Brian,
: > : >
: > : > Many thanks for your response.
: > : >
: > : > To summarise my previous message:
: > : > I have no problem running Norton Ghost with the USB
: > : > connected external hard drive, but I'd like to be able to
: > : > access the USB connected external hard drive from within
: > : > normal DOS rather than from within the Ghost DOS
: > : > application.
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
: >

[Phil]

Incorrect and dated ????
1 - As far as I know NTFS is still not writable in DOS. Only one driver
exists for it and is surely not certified. others exists that allow READ-only
features.
2- That the drive, accodring to yours reference, is accessible, means only
that it is accessible "somehow" because USB/firewire usually are not under
DOS. BUt they need to be FAT32 ( or FAT), otherwise even with drivers DOS
won't be able ( nor Ghost either) to detect and write to it ( Ghost only
detects NTFS as source, not as target for saving image files)

1 & 2 are very different aspects of DOS access to devices
Phil

"Dan" wrote:

> Incorrect and Dated Information according to the article:
>
> "Imagine that you want to use Paragon Drive Backup, Powerquest's Drive Image,
> or Norton Ghost, to backup your hard disk partitions to that nice 120gb
> external USB 2.0 hard disk you just bought. You can't do it. Or if your
> wife/husband has managed to mess up her/his system so badly that it can't
> boot anymore, yet she/he wants you to have a copy of those nice digital
> pictures stored on a compactflash card plugged into the compactflash reader?.
> No way, Jose. Not from DOS, used to be the phrase.
>
> Well, now you CAN.
>
> The minor miracle here is using a driver file called "USBASPI.SYS"
> ("Panasonic v2.06 ASPI Manager for USB mass storage"). Given the right
> parameter incantations, this 16-bit Panasonic-developed DOS driver will let
> your system boot good-old DOS -any flavour, maybe even Caldera's OpenDOS and
> recognize all USB devices connected to the respective controllers. So this
> USB device identification is also useful for debugging/troubleshooting
> purposes.
>
> However, it should be noted that this driver will only map mass storage
> devices like external hard disks, cd- roms, cd-rw, dvd-rom, zip, jaz, ls-120,
> and flash memory to ASPI devices. Then you need an elusive "ASPI mass storage
> driver" to map HDs and flash disks it to a drive letter in DOS. This one goes
> by the name "di1000dd.sys", commonly referred to as the "Motto Hairu USB
> Driver". Don't ask why, it's called that, I don't know."
>
>
> "Phil" > wrote in message
> ...
> : I imagine the HD is not NTFS . Otherwise no way to use correctly in DOS.
> :
> :
> : "Dan" wrote:
> :
> : > Richard, do you think this would help the user? The page warns the user
> to
> : > use the drive at their own risk and I have not tried it.
> : >
> : > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215
> : >
> : > "Richard G. Harper" > wrote in message
> : > ...
> : > : Unfortunately, the probable answer is, "You aren't going to be able
> to."
> : > :
> : > : If your computer is new enough it may offer BIOS support for USB
> devices
> : > : that would allow you to be able to, but I'm guessing that it doesn't
> from
> : > : the approach you're taking here. The reason that Norton Ghost can
> access
> : > it
> : > : is because it has the necessary support built into the Ghost program.
> : > :
> : > : Consider, if you will, a CDROM drive in DOS Mode. You cannot access it
> at
> : > : all unless you load two device drivers - one being a low-level IDE
> driver
> : > : (one that came with the drive, or for most drives the generic
> OAKCDROM.SYS
> : > : driver that a boot diskette contains) that allows the drive to be seen
> by
> : > : BIOS as a storage device, then a high-level driver (MSCDEX.EXE) that
> tells
> : > : DOS how to access the low-level drivers and make the data on the drive
> : > : accessible by DOS and software running under it.
> : > :
> : > : The drivers you've loaded from the Ghost floppy are almost surely the
> : > : low-level drivers that make the drive visible. What you're missing are
> the
> : > : high-level drivers that tell DOS how to access the drive now that it
> can be
> : > : seen. I have never heard of any such drivers. If there were any, they
> : > : would have to come from the device manufacturer. I strongly suspect
> there
> : > : are none because no USB-attached drive (thumb drive, hard drive, etc)
> can
> : > be
> : > : used in DOS mode, only by Windows 98 SE or greater.
> : > :
> : > : This is where BIOS support available on newer computers comes in - it
> : > : includes the necessary information for BIOS to see the drive and make
> it
> : > : available as if it were an attached drive. DOS doesn't need any
> drivers
> : > : when BIOS support is available because the BIOS causes the drive to
> appear
> : > : as if it were an attached floppy or hard drive.
> : > :
> : > : --
> : > : Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
> : > : * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
> : > : * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
> : > : * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
> : > : * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> : > :
> : > :
> : > : "anonymous" > wrote in message
> : > : ...
> : > : > Hello Brian,
> : > : >
> : > : > Many thanks for your response.
> : > : >
> : > : > To summarise my previous message:
> : > : > I have no problem running Norton Ghost with the USB
> : > : > connected external hard drive, but I'd like to be able to
> : > : > access the USB connected external hard drive from within
> : > : > normal DOS rather than from within the Ghost DOS
> : > : > application.
> : > :
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> : >
>
>
>

[anonymous]

Hello Dan,

Many thanks for your response.

As you will see from my original message in this thread, I
tried the "Panasonic" plus "Motto Hairu" USB drivers, but
got an error message (see my earlier message if you are
interested in my further details about that).

That wouldn't mean the "Panasonic" plus "Motto Hairu" USB
drivers "don't work" - it means I did my best to make that
suggested solution work, given my limited knowledge on
this subject and the available web site notes and readme
files.

Because I am not keen to make any permanent installation
of that sort to the main hard drive, I tried to use those
drivers by adding them to a new Win98SE Startup floppy. I
did make the required additions to the
floppy's "config.sys" file, but I did not make any changes
to the floppy's "autoexec.bat" file - I don't know if any
changes are required to be made to it.

Does anyone know if changes would also need to be made to
the Startup floppy's own "autoexec.bat" file, to
successfully use the "Panasonic" plus "Motto Hairu" USB
drivers solution?

Many thanks also to all the other contributors for their
responses.

Regards,



>-----Original Message-----
>Incorrect and Dated Information according to the article:
>
>"Imagine that you want to use Paragon Drive Backup,
Powerquest's Drive Image,
>or Norton Ghost, to backup your hard disk partitions to
that nice 120gb
>external USB 2.0 hard disk you just bought. You can't do
it. Or if your
>wife/husband has managed to mess up her/his system so
badly that it can't
>boot anymore, yet she/he wants you to have a copy of
those nice digital
>pictures stored on a compactflash card plugged into the
compactflash reader?.
>No way, Jose. Not from DOS, used to be the phrase.
>
>Well, now you CAN.
>
>The minor miracle here is using a driver file
called "USBASPI.SYS"
>("Panasonic v2.06 ASPI Manager for USB mass storage").
Given the right
>parameter incantations, this 16-bit Panasonic-developed
DOS driver will let
>your system boot good-old DOS -any flavour, maybe even
Caldera's OpenDOS and
>recognize all USB devices connected to the respective
controllers. So this
>USB device identification is also useful for
debugging/troubleshooting
>purposes.
>
>However, it should be noted that this driver will only
map mass storage
>devices like external hard disks, cd- roms, cd-rw, dvd-
rom, zip, jaz, ls-120,
>and flash memory to ASPI devices. Then you need an
elusive "ASPI mass storage
>driver" to map HDs and flash disks it to a drive letter
in DOS. This one goes
>by the name "di1000dd.sys", commonly referred to as
the "Motto Hairu USB
>Driver". Don't ask why, it's called that, I don't know."
>
>
>"Phil" > wrote in message
...
>: I imagine the HD is not NTFS . Otherwise no way to use
correctly in DOS.
>:
>:
>: "Dan" wrote:
>:
>: > Richard, do you think this would help the user? The
page warns the user
>to
>: > use the drive at their own risk and I have not tried
it.
>: >
>: > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215
>: >
>: > "Richard G. Harper" > wrote in
message
>: > ...
>: > : Unfortunately, the probable answer is, "You aren't
going to be able
>to."
>: > :
>: > : If your computer is new enough it may offer BIOS
support for USB
>devices
>: > : that would allow you to be able to, but I'm
guessing that it doesn't
>from
>: > : the approach you're taking here. The reason that
Norton Ghost can
>access
>: > it
>: > : is because it has the necessary support built into
the Ghost program.
>: > :
>: > : Consider, if you will, a CDROM drive in DOS Mode.
You cannot access it
>at
>: > : all unless you load two device drivers - one being
a low-level IDE
>driver
>: > : (one that came with the drive, or for most drives
the generic
>OAKCDROM.SYS
>: > : driver that a boot diskette contains) that allows
the drive to be seen
>by
>: > : BIOS as a storage device, then a high-level driver
(MSCDEX.EXE) that
>tells
>: > : DOS how to access the low-level drivers and make
the data on the drive
>: > : accessible by DOS and software running under it.
>: > :
>: > : The drivers you've loaded from the Ghost floppy are
almost surely the
>: > : low-level drivers that make the drive visible.
What you're missing are
>the
>: > : high-level drivers that tell DOS how to access the
drive now that it
>can be
>: > : seen. I have never heard of any such drivers. If
there were any, they
>: > : would have to come from the device manufacturer. I
strongly suspect
>there
>: > : are none because no USB-attached drive (thumb
drive, hard drive, etc)
>can
>: > be
>: > : used in DOS mode, only by Windows 98 SE or greater.
>: > :
>: > : This is where BIOS support available on newer
computers comes in - it
>: > : includes the necessary information for BIOS to see
the drive and make
>it
>: > : available as if it were an attached drive. DOS
doesn't need any
>drivers
>: > : when BIOS support is available because the BIOS
causes the drive to
>appear
>: > : as if it were an attached floppy or hard drive.
>: > :
>: > : --
>: > : Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]

>: > : * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the
newsgroups
>: > : * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually
not replied to.
>: > : * My website, such as it is ...
http://rgharper.mvps.org/
>: > : * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-
l.org/goodpost.htm
>: > :
>: > :
>: > : "anonymous" >
wrote in message
>: > : ...
>: > : > Hello Brian,
>: > : >
>: > : > Many thanks for your response.
>: > : >
>: > : > To summarise my previous message:
>: > : > I have no problem running Norton Ghost with the
USB
>: > : > connected external hard drive, but I'd like to be
able to
>: > : > access the USB connected external hard drive from
within
>: > : > normal DOS rather than from within the Ghost DOS
>: > : > application.
>: > :
>: > :
>: >
>: >
>: >
>
>
>.
>

[Brian A.]

"Phil" > wrote in message
...

> ( Ghost only detects NTFS as source, not as target for saving image files)

Incorrect. Ghost 2003 and up can.
From manual:
<quote>
NTFS support: Norton Ghost now writes to NTFS partitions. You can store an
image file on an NTFS drive and restore from an image file located on an
NTFS drive
</quote>
--

Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

[MoiMeme]

Thanks for the info. Will have to take a look at new versions !

"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> a écrit dans le message de news:
...
> "Phil" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> ( Ghost only detects NTFS as source, not as target for saving image
>> files)
>
> Incorrect. Ghost 2003 and up can.
> From manual:
> <quote>
> NTFS support: Norton Ghost now writes to NTFS partitions. You can store an
> image file on an NTFS drive and restore from an image file located on an
> NTFS drive
> </quote>
> --
>
> Brian A.
>
> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
>

[Brian A.]

YW. The newest version after 2003 is 9.0.

--

Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm




"MoiMeme" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks for the info. Will have to take a look at new versions !
>
> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> a écrit dans le message de news:
> ...
>> "Phil" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> ( Ghost only detects NTFS as source, not as target for saving image
>>> files)
>>
>> Incorrect. Ghost 2003 and up can.
>> From manual:
>> <quote>
>> NTFS support: Norton Ghost now writes to NTFS partitions. You can store
>> an image file on an NTFS drive and restore from an image file located on
>> an NTFS drive
>> </quote>
>> --
>>
>> Brian A.
>>
>> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[anonymous]

Further to my previous message, I tried the "Panasonic"
procedure again, making sure I entered what seemed to be
the appropriate changes to the floppy's "config.sys" and
also its "autoexec.bat" files.
Unfortunately I got the same error message as before,
which is:
"ERROR: PCI UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found".

If I try the "DUSE" method
(http://www.bootdisk.com/usb.htm)
I get an error message the wording of which is something
like:
"Could not activate external hard drive"
(with no additional information about the error).

Regards,



>-----Original Message-----
>Hello Dan,
>
>Many thanks for your response.
>
>As you will see from my original message in this thread,
I
>tried the "Panasonic" plus "Motto Hairu" USB drivers, but
>got an error message (see my earlier message if you are
>interested in my further details about that).
>
>That wouldn't mean the "Panasonic" plus "Motto Hairu" USB
>drivers "don't work" - it means I did my best to make
that
>suggested solution work, given my limited knowledge on
>this subject and the available web site notes and readme
>files.
>
>Because I am not keen to make any permanent installation
>of that sort to the main hard drive, I tried to use those
>drivers by adding them to a new Win98SE Startup floppy.
I
>did make the required additions to the
>floppy's "config.sys" file, but I did not make any
changes
>to the floppy's "autoexec.bat" file - I don't know if
any
>changes are required to be made to it.
>
>Does anyone know if changes would also need to be made to
>the Startup floppy's own "autoexec.bat" file, to
>successfully use the "Panasonic" plus "Motto Hairu" USB
>drivers solution?
>
>Many thanks also to all the other contributors for their
>responses.
>
>Regards,
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>Incorrect and Dated Information according to the article:
>>
>>"Imagine that you want to use Paragon Drive Backup,
>Powerquest's Drive Image,
>>or Norton Ghost, to backup your hard disk partitions to
>that nice 120gb
>>external USB 2.0 hard disk you just bought. You can't do
>it. Or if your
>>wife/husband has managed to mess up her/his system so
>badly that it can't
>>boot anymore, yet she/he wants you to have a copy of
>those nice digital
>>pictures stored on a compactflash card plugged into the
>compactflash reader?.
>>No way, Jose. Not from DOS, used to be the phrase.
>>
>>Well, now you CAN.
>>
>>The minor miracle here is using a driver file
>called "USBASPI.SYS"
>>("Panasonic v2.06 ASPI Manager for USB mass storage").
>Given the right
>>parameter incantations, this 16-bit Panasonic-developed
>DOS driver will let
>>your system boot good-old DOS -any flavour, maybe even
>Caldera's OpenDOS and
>>recognize all USB devices connected to the respective
>controllers. So this
>>USB device identification is also useful for
>debugging/troubleshooting
>>purposes.
>>
>>However, it should be noted that this driver will only
>map mass storage
>>devices like external hard disks, cd- roms, cd-rw, dvd-
>rom, zip, jaz, ls-120,
>>and flash memory to ASPI devices. Then you need an
>elusive "ASPI mass storage
>>driver" to map HDs and flash disks it to a drive letter
>in DOS. This one goes
>>by the name "di1000dd.sys", commonly referred to as
>the "Motto Hairu USB
>>Driver". Don't ask why, it's called that, I don't know."
>>
>>
>>"Phil" > wrote in message
>>news:4189442A-1611-4528-9EB5-
...
>>: I imagine the HD is not NTFS . Otherwise no way to use
>correctly in DOS.
>>:
>>:
>>: "Dan" wrote:
>>:
>>: > Richard, do you think this would help the user? The
>page warns the user
>>to
>>: > use the drive at their own risk and I have not tried
>it.
>>: >
>>: > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215
>>: >
>>: > "Richard G. Harper" > wrote in
>message
>>: > ...
>>: > : Unfortunately, the probable answer is, "You aren't
>going to be able
>>to."
>>: > :
>>: > : If your computer is new enough it may offer BIOS
>support for USB
>>devices
>>: > : that would allow you to be able to, but I'm
>guessing that it doesn't
>>from
>>: > : the approach you're taking here. The reason that
>Norton Ghost can
>>access
>>: > it
>>: > : is because it has the necessary support built into
>the Ghost program.
>>: > :
>>: > : Consider, if you will, a CDROM drive in DOS Mode.
>You cannot access it
>>at
>>: > : all unless you load two device drivers - one being
>a low-level IDE
>>driver
>>: > : (one that came with the drive, or for most drives
>the generic
>>OAKCDROM.SYS
>>: > : driver that a boot diskette contains) that allows
>the drive to be seen
>>by
>>: > : BIOS as a storage device, then a high-level driver
>(MSCDEX.EXE) that
>>tells
>>: > : DOS how to access the low-level drivers and make
>the data on the drive
>>: > : accessible by DOS and software running under it.
>>: > :
>>: > : The drivers you've loaded from the Ghost floppy
are
>almost surely the
>>: > : low-level drivers that make the drive visible.
>What you're missing are
>>the
>>: > : high-level drivers that tell DOS how to access the
>drive now that it
>>can be
>>: > : seen. I have never heard of any such drivers. If
>there were any, they
>>: > : would have to come from the device manufacturer.
I
>strongly suspect
>>there
>>: > : are none because no USB-attached drive (thumb
>drive, hard drive, etc)
>>can
>>: > be
>>: > : used in DOS mode, only by Windows 98 SE or greater.
>>: > :
>>: > : This is where BIOS support available on newer
>computers comes in - it
>>: > : includes the necessary information for BIOS to see
>the drive and make
>>it
>>: > : available as if it were an attached drive. DOS
>doesn't need any
>>drivers
>>: > : when BIOS support is available because the BIOS
>causes the drive to
>>appear
>>: > : as if it were an attached floppy or hard drive.
>>: > :
>>: > : --
>>: > : Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]

>>: > : * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the
>newsgroups
>>: > : * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually
>not replied to.
>>: > : * My website, such as it is ...
>http://rgharper.mvps.org/
>>: > : * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-
>l.org/goodpost.htm
>>: > :
>>: > :
>>: > : "anonymous" >
>wrote in message
>>: > : ...
>>: > : > Hello Brian,
>>: > : >
>>: > : > Many thanks for your response.
>>: > : >
>>: > : > To summarise my previous message:
>>: > : > I have no problem running Norton Ghost with the
>USB
>>: > : > connected external hard drive, but I'd like to
be
>able to
>>: > : > access the USB connected external hard drive
from
>within
>>: > : > normal DOS rather than from within the Ghost DOS
>>: > : > application.
>>: > :
>>: > :
>>: >
>>: >
>>: >
>>
>>
>>.
>>
>.
>

[Dan]

Well you will need someone more skilled than I to help you. If I was there
maybe I could get it to work but not actually being able to see your system
and not having too much skill in this area leaves me at a loss for words.
Sorry I could not be more helpful.

"anonymous" > wrote in message
...
: Further to my previous message, I tried the "Panasonic"
: procedure again, making sure I entered what seemed to be
: the appropriate changes to the floppy's "config.sys" and
: also its "autoexec.bat" files.
: Unfortunately I got the same error message as before,
: which is:
: "ERROR: PCI UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found".
:
: If I try the "DUSE" method
: (http://www.bootdisk.com/usb.htm)
: I get an error message the wording of which is something
: like:
: "Could not activate external hard drive"
: (with no additional information about the error).
:
: Regards,
:
:
:
: >-----Original Message-----
: >Hello Dan,
: >
: >Many thanks for your response.
: >
: >As you will see from my original message in this thread,
: I
: >tried the "Panasonic" plus "Motto Hairu" USB drivers, but
: >got an error message (see my earlier message if you are
: >interested in my further details about that).
: >
: >That wouldn't mean the "Panasonic" plus "Motto Hairu" USB
: >drivers "don't work" - it means I did my best to make
: that
: >suggested solution work, given my limited knowledge on
: >this subject and the available web site notes and readme
: >files.
: >
: >Because I am not keen to make any permanent installation
: >of that sort to the main hard drive, I tried to use those
: >drivers by adding them to a new Win98SE Startup floppy.
: I
: >did make the required additions to the
: >floppy's "config.sys" file, but I did not make any
: changes
: >to the floppy's "autoexec.bat" file - I don't know if
: any
: >changes are required to be made to it.
: >
: >Does anyone know if changes would also need to be made to
: >the Startup floppy's own "autoexec.bat" file, to
: >successfully use the "Panasonic" plus "Motto Hairu" USB
: >drivers solution?
: >
: >Many thanks also to all the other contributors for their
: >responses.
: >
: >Regards,
: >
: >
: >
: >>-----Original Message-----
: >>Incorrect and Dated Information according to the article:
: >>
: >>"Imagine that you want to use Paragon Drive Backup,
: >Powerquest's Drive Image,
: >>or Norton Ghost, to backup your hard disk partitions to
: >that nice 120gb
: >>external USB 2.0 hard disk you just bought. You can't do
: >it. Or if your
: >>wife/husband has managed to mess up her/his system so
: >badly that it can't
: >>boot anymore, yet she/he wants you to have a copy of
: >those nice digital
: >>pictures stored on a compactflash card plugged into the
: >compactflash reader?.
: >>No way, Jose. Not from DOS, used to be the phrase.
: >>
: >>Well, now you CAN.
: >>
: >>The minor miracle here is using a driver file
: >called "USBASPI.SYS"
: >>("Panasonic v2.06 ASPI Manager for USB mass storage").
: >Given the right
: >>parameter incantations, this 16-bit Panasonic-developed
: >DOS driver will let
: >>your system boot good-old DOS -any flavour, maybe even
: >Caldera's OpenDOS and
: >>recognize all USB devices connected to the respective
: >controllers. So this
: >>USB device identification is also useful for
: >debugging/troubleshooting
: >>purposes.
: >>
: >>However, it should be noted that this driver will only
: >map mass storage
: >>devices like external hard disks, cd- roms, cd-rw, dvd-
: >rom, zip, jaz, ls-120,
: >>and flash memory to ASPI devices. Then you need an
: >elusive "ASPI mass storage
: >>driver" to map HDs and flash disks it to a drive letter
: >in DOS. This one goes
: >>by the name "di1000dd.sys", commonly referred to as
: >the "Motto Hairu USB
: >>Driver". Don't ask why, it's called that, I don't know."
: >>
: >>
: >>"Phil" > wrote in message
: >>news:4189442A-1611-4528-9EB5-
: ...
: >>: I imagine the HD is not NTFS . Otherwise no way to use
: >correctly in DOS.
: >>:
: >>:
: >>: "Dan" wrote:
: >>:
: >>: > Richard, do you think this would help the user? The
: >page warns the user
: >>to
: >>: > use the drive at their own risk and I have not tried
: >it.
: >>: >
: >>: > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215
: >>: >
: >>: > "Richard G. Harper" > wrote in
: >message
: >>: > ...
: >>: > : Unfortunately, the probable answer is, "You aren't
: >going to be able
: >>to."
: >>: > :
: >>: > : If your computer is new enough it may offer BIOS
: >support for USB
: >>devices
: >>: > : that would allow you to be able to, but I'm
: >guessing that it doesn't
: >>from
: >>: > : the approach you're taking here. The reason that
: >Norton Ghost can
: >>access
: >>: > it
: >>: > : is because it has the necessary support built into
: >the Ghost program.
: >>: > :
: >>: > : Consider, if you will, a CDROM drive in DOS Mode.
: >You cannot access it
: >>at
: >>: > : all unless you load two device drivers - one being
: >a low-level IDE
: >>driver
: >>: > : (one that came with the drive, or for most drives
: >the generic
: >>OAKCDROM.SYS
: >>: > : driver that a boot diskette contains) that allows
: >the drive to be seen
: >>by
: >>: > : BIOS as a storage device, then a high-level driver
: >(MSCDEX.EXE) that
: >>tells
: >>: > : DOS how to access the low-level drivers and make
: >the data on the drive
: >>: > : accessible by DOS and software running under it.
: >>: > :
: >>: > : The drivers you've loaded from the Ghost floppy
: are
: >almost surely the
: >>: > : low-level drivers that make the drive visible.
: >What you're missing are
: >>the
: >>: > : high-level drivers that tell DOS how to access the
: >drive now that it
: >>can be
: >>: > : seen. I have never heard of any such drivers. If
: >there were any, they
: >>: > : would have to come from the device manufacturer.
: I
: >strongly suspect
: >>there
: >>: > : are none because no USB-attached drive (thumb
: >drive, hard drive, etc)
: >>can
: >>: > be
: >>: > : used in DOS mode, only by Windows 98 SE or greater.
: >>: > :
: >>: > : This is where BIOS support available on newer
: >computers comes in - it
: >>: > : includes the necessary information for BIOS to see
: >the drive and make
: >>it
: >>: > : available as if it were an attached drive. DOS
: >doesn't need any
: >>drivers
: >>: > : when BIOS support is available because the BIOS
: >causes the drive to
: >>appear
: >>: > : as if it were an attached floppy or hard drive.
: >>: > :
: >>: > : --
: >>: > : Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
:
: >>: > : * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the
: >newsgroups
: >>: > : * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually
: >not replied to.
: >>: > : * My website, such as it is ...
: >http://rgharper.mvps.org/
: >>: > : * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-
: >l.org/goodpost.htm
: >>: > :
: >>: > :
: >>: > : "anonymous" >
: >wrote in message
: >>: > : ...
: >>: > : > Hello Brian,
: >>: > : >
: >>: > : > Many thanks for your response.
: >>: > : >
: >>: > : > To summarise my previous message:
: >>: > : > I have no problem running Norton Ghost with the
: >USB
: >>: > : > connected external hard drive, but I'd like to
: be
: >able to
: >>: > : > access the USB connected external hard drive
: from
: >within
: >>: > : > normal DOS rather than from within the Ghost DOS
: >>: > : > application.
: >>: > :
: >>: > :
: >>: >
: >>: >
: >>: >
: >>
: >>
: >>.
: >>
: >.
: >

[Brian A.]

Is that the only method you tried? There appears to be a few.

Also as you've been told that USB in DOS is neer impossible although it's
stated to work, even bd.com mentions:
<quote>
Please keep in mind that DOS USB CDrom/HDD/zip/etc. drivers is a brand new
and developing area so there is no one single method that is guaranteed to
work on every PC. If you try a few methods and have no luck, keep at it and
dont worry as I'm confident there is enough information here to get at least
99% of the USB drives to work in dos.
</quote>

You may want to have a good read here, seems to be some info you need that
may get you up and running:
http://www.freedos.org/freedos/news/newsitem/149.html

Have a peek at Bart's boot disks and see if you find anything that helps:
http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/

--

Brian A.

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"anonymous" > wrote in message
...
> Further to my previous message, I tried the "Panasonic"
> procedure again, making sure I entered what seemed to be
> the appropriate changes to the floppy's "config.sys" and
> also its "autoexec.bat" files.
> Unfortunately I got the same error message as before,
> which is:
> "ERROR: PCI UHCI/OHCI/EHCI USB host controller not found".
>
> If I try the "DUSE" method
> (http://www.bootdisk.com/usb.htm)
> I get an error message the wording of which is something
> like:
> "Could not activate external hard drive"
> (with no additional information about the error).
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>Hello Dan,
>>
>>Many thanks for your response.
>>
>>As you will see from my original message in this thread,
> I
>>tried the "Panasonic" plus "Motto Hairu" USB drivers, but
>>got an error message (see my earlier message if you are
>>interested in my further details about that).
>>
>>That wouldn't mean the "Panasonic" plus "Motto Hairu" USB
>>drivers "don't work" - it means I did my best to make
> that
>>suggested solution work, given my limited knowledge on
>>this subject and the available web site notes and readme
>>files.
>>
>>Because I am not keen to make any permanent installation
>>of that sort to the main hard drive, I tried to use those
>>drivers by adding them to a new Win98SE Startup floppy.
> I
>>did make the required additions to the
>>floppy's "config.sys" file, but I did not make any
> changes
>>to the floppy's "autoexec.bat" file - I don't know if
> any
>>changes are required to be made to it.
>>
>>Does anyone know if changes would also need to be made to
>>the Startup floppy's own "autoexec.bat" file, to
>>successfully use the "Panasonic" plus "Motto Hairu" USB
>>drivers solution?
>>
>>Many thanks also to all the other contributors for their
>>responses.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>Incorrect and Dated Information according to the article:
>>>
>>>"Imagine that you want to use Paragon Drive Backup,
>>Powerquest's Drive Image,
>>>or Norton Ghost, to backup your hard disk partitions to
>>that nice 120gb
>>>external USB 2.0 hard disk you just bought. You can't do
>>it. Or if your
>>>wife/husband has managed to mess up her/his system so
>>badly that it can't
>>>boot anymore, yet she/he wants you to have a copy of
>>those nice digital
>>>pictures stored on a compactflash card plugged into the
>>compactflash reader?.
>>>No way, Jose. Not from DOS, used to be the phrase.
>>>
>>>Well, now you CAN.
>>>
>>>The minor miracle here is using a driver file
>>called "USBASPI.SYS"
>>>("Panasonic v2.06 ASPI Manager for USB mass storage").
>>Given the right
>>>parameter incantations, this 16-bit Panasonic-developed
>>DOS driver will let
>>>your system boot good-old DOS -any flavour, maybe even
>>Caldera's OpenDOS and
>>>recognize all USB devices connected to the respective
>>controllers. So this
>>>USB device identification is also useful for
>>debugging/troubleshooting
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>However, it should be noted that this driver will only
>>map mass storage
>>>devices like external hard disks, cd- roms, cd-rw, dvd-
>>rom, zip, jaz, ls-120,
>>>and flash memory to ASPI devices. Then you need an
>>elusive "ASPI mass storage
>>>driver" to map HDs and flash disks it to a drive letter
>>in DOS. This one goes
>>>by the name "di1000dd.sys", commonly referred to as
>>the "Motto Hairu USB
>>>Driver". Don't ask why, it's called that, I don't know."
>>>
>>>
>>>"Phil" > wrote in message
>>>news:4189442A-1611-4528-9EB5-
> ...
>>>: I imagine the HD is not NTFS . Otherwise no way to use
>>correctly in DOS.
>>>:
>>>:
>>>: "Dan" wrote:
>>>:
>>>: > Richard, do you think this would help the user? The
>>page warns the user
>>>to
>>>: > use the drive at their own risk and I have not tried
>>it.
>>>: >
>>>: > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215
>>>: >
>>>: > "Richard G. Harper" > wrote in
>>message
>>>: > ...
>>>: > : Unfortunately, the probable answer is, "You aren't
>>going to be able
>>>to."
>>>: > :
>>>: > : If your computer is new enough it may offer BIOS
>>support for USB
>>>devices
>>>: > : that would allow you to be able to, but I'm
>>guessing that it doesn't
>>>from
>>>: > : the approach you're taking here. The reason that
>>Norton Ghost can
>>>access
>>>: > it
>>>: > : is because it has the necessary support built into
>>the Ghost program.
>>>: > :
>>>: > : Consider, if you will, a CDROM drive in DOS Mode.
>>You cannot access it
>>>at
>>>: > : all unless you load two device drivers - one being
>>a low-level IDE
>>>driver
>>>: > : (one that came with the drive, or for most drives
>>the generic
>>>OAKCDROM.SYS
>>>: > : driver that a boot diskette contains) that allows
>>the drive to be seen
>>>by
>>>: > : BIOS as a storage device, then a high-level driver
>>(MSCDEX.EXE) that
>>>tells
>>>: > : DOS how to access the low-level drivers and make
>>the data on the drive
>>>: > : accessible by DOS and software running under it.
>>>: > :
>>>: > : The drivers you've loaded from the Ghost floppy
> are
>>almost surely the
>>>: > : low-level drivers that make the drive visible.
>>What you're missing are
>>>the
>>>: > : high-level drivers that tell DOS how to access the
>>drive now that it
>>>can be
>>>: > : seen. I have never heard of any such drivers. If
>>there were any, they
>>>: > : would have to come from the device manufacturer.
> I
>>strongly suspect
>>>there
>>>: > : are none because no USB-attached drive (thumb
>>drive, hard drive, etc)
>>>can
>>>: > be
>>>: > : used in DOS mode, only by Windows 98 SE or greater.
>>>: > :
>>>: > : This is where BIOS support available on newer
>>computers comes in - it
>>>: > : includes the necessary information for BIOS to see
>>the drive and make
>>>it
>>>: > : available as if it were an attached drive. DOS
>>doesn't need any
>>>drivers
>>>: > : when BIOS support is available because the BIOS
>>causes the drive to
>>>appear
>>>: > : as if it were an attached floppy or hard drive.
>>>: > :
>>>: > : --
>>>: > : Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]

>>>: > : * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the
>>newsgroups
>>>: > : * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually
>>not replied to.
>>>: > : * My website, such as it is ...
>>http://rgharper.mvps.org/
>>>: > : * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-
>>l.org/goodpost.htm
>>>: > :
>>>: > :
>>>: > : "anonymous" >
>>wrote in message
>>>: > : ...
>>>: > : > Hello Brian,
>>>: > : >
>>>: > : > Many thanks for your response.
>>>: > : >
>>>: > : > To summarise my previous message:
>>>: > : > I have no problem running Norton Ghost with the
>>USB
>>>: > : > connected external hard drive, but I'd like to
> be
>>able to
>>>: > : > access the USB connected external hard drive
> from
>>within
>>>: > : > normal DOS rather than from within the Ghost DOS
>>>: > : > application.
>>>: > :
>>>: > :
>>>: >
>>>: >
>>>: >
>>>
>>>
>>>.
>>>
>>.
>>