Over-install???

[Ross]

I am running Win98 SE. I have a few damaged files. I know doing what some
call an "over install" will repair damaged files. I need a good detailed
explanation on how to do an over-install. All help appreciated. Thank you.

[Alan Edwards]

I suggest you replace the damaged files, rather than take the dubious
step of installing over the top.

How do you know they are damaged?

....Alan

--
Alan Edwards, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/index.html

In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "Ross"
> wrote:

>I am running Win98 SE. I have a few damaged files. I know doing what some
>call an "over install" will repair damaged files. I need a good detailed
>explanation on how to do an over-install. All help appreciated. Thank you.

[Ross]

Alan, thank you for your reply. Basically I want to learn how to do an
over-install. If you know how I would appreciate learning how and all help is
appreciated. Thank you.

"Alan Edwards" wrote:

> I suggest you replace the damaged files, rather than take the dubious
> step of installing over the top.
>
> How do you know they are damaged?
>
> ....Alan
>
> --
> Alan Edwards, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
> http://dts-l.org/index.html
>
> In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "Ross"
> > wrote:
>
> >I am running Win98 SE. I have a few damaged files. I know doing what some
> >call an "over install" will repair damaged files. I need a good detailed
> >explanation on how to do an over-install. All help appreciated. Thank you.
>
>

[Ron Badour]

An over the top (o-t-t) install usually creates more problems then it fixes.
W98 has tons of patches and you are going to create file mismatches if you
proceed with your plan. Plus, the registry does not get rewritten on an
o-t-t which can create yet more problems. Alan's question remains: how do
you know the files are damaged?

--
Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"Ross" > wrote in message
...
> Alan, thank you for your reply. Basically I want to learn how to do an
> over-install. If you know how I would appreciate learning how and all help
> is
> appreciated. Thank you.
>
> "Alan Edwards" wrote:
>
>> I suggest you replace the damaged files, rather than take the dubious
>> step of installing over the top.
>>
>> How do you know they are damaged?
>>
>> ....Alan
>>
>> --
>> Alan Edwards, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
>> http://dts-l.org/index.html
>>
>> In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "Ross"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >I am running Win98 SE. I have a few damaged files. I know doing what
>> >some
>> >call an "over install" will repair damaged files. I need a good detailed
>> >explanation on how to do an over-install. All help appreciated. Thank
>> >you.
>>
>>

[Dan]

Ross, I definately agree with Alan and Ron. How do you know the files are
damaged? Also, an over-install almost always causes more problems than it
fixes and I would not take the gamble that your problems will be fixed with
an over-install which I cannot suggest under any circumstance that I can
currently think of at this moment.

"Ron Badour" > wrote in message
...
: An over the top (o-t-t) install usually creates more problems then it
fixes.
: W98 has tons of patches and you are going to create file mismatches if you
: proceed with your plan. Plus, the registry does not get rewritten on an
: o-t-t which can create yet more problems. Alan's question remains: how do
: you know the files are damaged?
:
: --
: Regards
:
: Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98
: Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
: Knowledge Base Info:
: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo
:
: "Ross" > wrote in message
: ...
: > Alan, thank you for your reply. Basically I want to learn how to do an
: > over-install. If you know how I would appreciate learning how and all
help
: > is
: > appreciated. Thank you.
: >
: > "Alan Edwards" wrote:
: >
: >> I suggest you replace the damaged files, rather than take the dubious
: >> step of installing over the top.
: >>
: >> How do you know they are damaged?
: >>
: >> ....Alan
: >>
: >> --
: >> Alan Edwards, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
: >> http://dts-l.org/index.html
: >>
: >> In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "Ross"
: >> > wrote:
: >>
: >> >I am running Win98 SE. I have a few damaged files. I know doing what
: >> >some
: >> >call an "over install" will repair damaged files. I need a good
detailed
: >> >explanation on how to do an over-install. All help appreciated. Thank
: >> >you.
: >>
: >>
:
:

[Ross]

Thank everyone who has responded to my question. I am not 100% sure I have
damaged files. So, lets get that out of the way - I am not 100% sure I have
damaged files. I just want to know how to do an over-install. I want to do it
just for the "heck of it" - it will be a learning experience for me and I am
always trying to expand my PC knowledge. If the over-install causes problems
I know how to format the HD and reinstall. The way I am going to over-install
is as follows:

With the Win98 disk in drive D I am going to open Windows Explorer and click
on D and follow the prompts until I find "setup" and go from there. That is
the way I think it is done but I am not sure. Please let me know if I will be
doing it right or is there a better way. All help appreciated. Thanks.

"Dan" wrote:

> Ross, I definately agree with Alan and Ron. How do you know the files are
> damaged? Also, an over-install almost always causes more problems than it
> fixes and I would not take the gamble that your problems will be fixed with
> an over-install which I cannot suggest under any circumstance that I can
> currently think of at this moment.
>
> "Ron Badour" > wrote in message
> ...
> : An over the top (o-t-t) install usually creates more problems then it
> fixes.
> : W98 has tons of patches and you are going to create file mismatches if you
> : proceed with your plan. Plus, the registry does not get rewritten on an
> : o-t-t which can create yet more problems. Alan's question remains: how do
> : you know the files are damaged?
> :
> : --
> : Regards
> :
> : Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98
> : Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
> : Knowledge Base Info:
> : http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo
> :
> : "Ross" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > Alan, thank you for your reply. Basically I want to learn how to do an
> : > over-install. If you know how I would appreciate learning how and all
> help
> : > is
> : > appreciated. Thank you.
> : >
> : > "Alan Edwards" wrote:
> : >
> : >> I suggest you replace the damaged files, rather than take the dubious
> : >> step of installing over the top.
> : >>
> : >> How do you know they are damaged?
> : >>
> : >> ....Alan
> : >>
> : >> --
> : >> Alan Edwards, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
> : >> http://dts-l.org/index.html
> : >>
> : >> In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "Ross"
> : >> > wrote:
> : >>
> : >> >I am running Win98 SE. I have a few damaged files. I know doing what
> : >> >some
> : >> >call an "over install" will repair damaged files. I need a good
> detailed
> : >> >explanation on how to do an over-install. All help appreciated. Thank
> : >> >you.
> : >>
> : >>
> :
> :
>
>
>

[PCR]

If errors are caused by hardware, then a reinstall of Windows is not the
cure. However...

Setup.exe, run from your Installation CD or from your .cabs folder,
accomplishes either an Over-Install or a Fresh Install. The procedural
difference is you first wipe the prior Windows installation for a Fresh
Install, or install it to different folders. Two folders are involved:
"C:\Windows" & "C:\Program Files", and these files: MSDOS.sys,
Config.sys, Autoexec.bat & System.1st.

For an Over-install, you must direct it to install to C:\Windows,
instead of C:\Windows.000 (where it normally would want to go, when it
sees a "C:\Windows" already exists).

An over-install supposedly leaves all else intact, but there are some
who say it will over-write .vxds (drivers) and otherwise musses
settings. Therefore, it becomes a lot of work to do it, as you must
un/re-install large applications, before/after the over-install. Also,
you must go to Windows Update afterwards, to see whether it detects it
needs to reinstall it's criticals. There is Version Conflict Manager to
do. Finally, they say, it is wise to back up critical data even before
an over-install.

Others swear an over-install is effortless (under an hour) and
effective. Just select to install to the existing directory, when it
makes the offer to go elsewhere. If it fails, then you may need to do a
tweak, such as renaming Win.com before starting. (Personally, I have
never Fresh or Over-Installed Windows. I did actually click Setup.exe
once, and was presented with an alluring screenful-- but I cancelled.)
Well, anyway, take a look at the URLs below, which really apply to both.

You want to do a FRESH Install? Are you pure Windows or OEM, such as
Compaq? If you are OEM, then you can get back to factory condition by
using their recovery CD, such as QuickRestore, which may contain
proprietary drivers and add-ons. Otherwise...

http://www.hexff.com/index.html How to Clean Install
This first has it all, but..
(a) Perhaps don't do the 2.5 swap file thing, &
(b) You may rather have multiple partitions, &
(c) Attend it's warning: Have any non-Windows peripheral drivers
available to install afterwards. Here...
http://www.pchelpandconsulting.com/links/windows.html WinDrvExpert
http://www.jermar.com/wdrvbck.htm WinDrvBckup free version
Those two supposedly back up all currently installed drivers, such that
they can be reinstalled. I never tried it but have seen a favorable
report.

http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html Badour has one
http://aumha.org/win4/a/clean.htm Aumha has one
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=250928 How to Reinstall Windows
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=193902
How to Reinstall Windows into a new folder

"Setup.txt", located in the same folder as "Setup.exe", either on CD or
hard drive. This instructs how to run it from a folder on the hard
drive, but "hexff" says it better.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;129971&Product=w98
"SU" Error Message List for Windows 95, Windows 98, and Windows Me Setup

Get a Startup Diskette from
http://www.bootdisk.com/ , if you don't already have one from "Control
Panel, Add/Remove Programs, Startup Disk tab". Test the Startup
Diskette. Boot it, put in a CD and "DIR" the CD. It will say which
letter is the CD. (Otherwise, it is likely one letter higher than
normal.)

Here is what I know of those Installation CD's. The full list of
capabilities of each type of CD is as follows, says Harper. Each
requires a valid Product key. "Proof" means it must see you had a prior
version. So, if it isn't sitting there, expect to insert a floppy or
earlier CD.

FULL VERSION: Will perform either clean install or upgrade of existing
OS. Does not ask for proof of ownership of an earlier version.

UPGRADE VERSION: Will perform either clean install or upgrade of
existing OS. Will ask for proof of ownership of an earlier version if
one is not installed.

WIN98 SE UPDATES: Will only install if Windows 98 is present on the hard
drive. Cannot be used for a clean install at all.

OEM VERSION: Only installs on a clean, fresh-formatted hard drive. May
be customized to include or omit components that would be found/not
found on a retail CD.

Be sure of your ProductKey...
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion
ProductKey "12345-12345-12345-12345-12345"

(1) "START, Run, RegEdit"
(2) Click plus signs beginning at "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE", & ending with
"Windows".
(3) Click "CurrentVersion" in the left pane under "Windows".
(4) Look in right pane for ProductKey.

That is the one that was used to install your current Windows. Jot it
down, as it may work if different from the one on your Windows 98 Manual
or CD case.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Ross" > wrote in message
...
| I am running Win98 SE. I have a few damaged files. I know doing what
some
| call an "over install" will repair damaged files. I need a good
detailed
| explanation on how to do an over-install. All help appreciated. Thank
you.

[Dan]

Sorry, I cannot suggest an over-install and thus will not offer support. As
far as everyone else, I will let them speak their own mind about it if they
so please.

"Ross" > wrote in message
...
: Thank everyone who has responded to my question. I am not 100% sure I have
: damaged files. So, lets get that out of the way - I am not 100% sure I have
: damaged files. I just want to know how to do an over-install. I want to do
it
: just for the "heck of it" - it will be a learning experience for me and I
am
: always trying to expand my PC knowledge. If the over-install causes
problems
: I know how to format the HD and reinstall. The way I am going to
over-install
: is as follows:
:
: With the Win98 disk in drive D I am going to open Windows Explorer and
click
: on D and follow the prompts until I find "setup" and go from there. That is
: the way I think it is done but I am not sure. Please let me know if I will
be
: doing it right or is there a better way. All help appreciated. Thanks.
:
: "Dan" wrote:
:
: > Ross, I definately agree with Alan and Ron. How do you know the files
are
: > damaged? Also, an over-install almost always causes more problems than it
: > fixes and I would not take the gamble that your problems will be fixed
with
: > an over-install which I cannot suggest under any circumstance that I can
: > currently think of at this moment.
: >
: > "Ron Badour" > wrote in message
: > ...
: > : An over the top (o-t-t) install usually creates more problems then it
: > fixes.
: > : W98 has tons of patches and you are going to create file mismatches if
you
: > : proceed with your plan. Plus, the registry does not get rewritten on
an
: > : o-t-t which can create yet more problems. Alan's question remains:
how do
: > : you know the files are damaged?
: > :
: > : --
: > : Regards
: > :
: > : Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98
: > : Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
: > : Knowledge Base Info:
: > : http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo
: > :
: > : "Ross" > wrote in message
: > : ...
: > : > Alan, thank you for your reply. Basically I want to learn how to do
an
: > : > over-install. If you know how I would appreciate learning how and all
: > help
: > : > is
: > : > appreciated. Thank you.
: > : >
: > : > "Alan Edwards" wrote:
: > : >
: > : >> I suggest you replace the damaged files, rather than take the
dubious
: > : >> step of installing over the top.
: > : >>
: > : >> How do you know they are damaged?
: > : >>
: > : >> ....Alan
: > : >>
: > : >> --
: > : >> Alan Edwards, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
: > : >> http://dts-l.org/index.html
: > : >>
: > : >> In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "Ross"
: > : >> > wrote:
: > : >>
: > : >> >I am running Win98 SE. I have a few damaged files. I know doing
what
: > : >> >some
: > : >> >call an "over install" will repair damaged files. I need a good
: > detailed
: > : >> >explanation on how to do an over-install. All help appreciated.
Thank
: > : >> >you.
: > : >>
: > : >>
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
: >

[Ron Badour]

Let Windows boot, put the CD in the drive and it will auto start. If it is
an OEM CD, chances are it will not do an o-t-t installation without some
help. If that occurs, use the OEM upgrade procedure described here:
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/upgrade.html


--
Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
> Ross, I definately agree with Alan and Ron. How do you know the files are
> damaged? Also, an over-install almost always causes more problems than it
> fixes and I would not take the gamble that your problems will be fixed
> with
> an over-install which I cannot suggest under any circumstance that I can
> currently think of at this moment.
>
> "Ron Badour" > wrote in message
> ...
> : An over the top (o-t-t) install usually creates more problems then it
> fixes.
> : W98 has tons of patches and you are going to create file mismatches if
> you
> : proceed with your plan. Plus, the registry does not get rewritten on an
> : o-t-t which can create yet more problems. Alan's question remains: how
> do
> : you know the files are damaged?
> :
> : --
> : Regards
> :
> : Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98
> : Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
> : Knowledge Base Info:
> : http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo
> :
> : "Ross" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > Alan, thank you for your reply. Basically I want to learn how to do
> an
> : > over-install. If you know how I would appreciate learning how and all
> help
> : > is
> : > appreciated. Thank you.
> : >
> : > "Alan Edwards" wrote:
> : >
> : >> I suggest you replace the damaged files, rather than take the dubious
> : >> step of installing over the top.
> : >>
> : >> How do you know they are damaged?
> : >>
> : >> ....Alan
> : >>
> : >> --
> : >> Alan Edwards, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
> : >> http://dts-l.org/index.html
> : >>
> : >> In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "Ross"
> : >> > wrote:
> : >>
> : >> >I am running Win98 SE. I have a few damaged files. I know doing what
> : >> >some
> : >> >call an "over install" will repair damaged files. I need a good
> detailed
> : >> >explanation on how to do an over-install. All help appreciated.
> Thank
> : >> >you.
> : >>
> : >>
> :
> :
>
>

[Ross]

Dan, I posted my question to 2 other tech boards (other than Microsoft) and
have been informed of several ways to do an over-install, which I fully
intend to do tomorrow. Quite frankly, if you will not answer posted questions
that you know the answer to, perhaps your time would be better spent else
where.

"Dan" wrote:

> Sorry, I cannot suggest an over-install and thus will not offer support. As
> far as everyone else, I will let them speak their own mind about it if they
> so please.
>
> "Ross" > wrote in message
> ...
> : Thank everyone who has responded to my question. I am not 100% sure I have
> : damaged files. So, lets get that out of the way - I am not 100% sure I have
> : damaged files. I just want to know how to do an over-install. I want to do
> it
> : just for the "heck of it" - it will be a learning experience for me and I
> am
> : always trying to expand my PC knowledge. If the over-install causes
> problems
> : I know how to format the HD and reinstall. The way I am going to
> over-install
> : is as follows:
> :
> : With the Win98 disk in drive D I am going to open Windows Explorer and
> click
> : on D and follow the prompts until I find "setup" and go from there. That is
> : the way I think it is done but I am not sure. Please let me know if I will
> be
> : doing it right or is there a better way. All help appreciated. Thanks.
> :
> : "Dan" wrote:
> :
> : > Ross, I definately agree with Alan and Ron. How do you know the files
> are
> : > damaged? Also, an over-install almost always causes more problems than it
> : > fixes and I would not take the gamble that your problems will be fixed
> with
> : > an over-install which I cannot suggest under any circumstance that I can
> : > currently think of at this moment.
> : >
> : > "Ron Badour" > wrote in message
> : > ...
> : > : An over the top (o-t-t) install usually creates more problems then it
> : > fixes.
> : > : W98 has tons of patches and you are going to create file mismatches if
> you
> : > : proceed with your plan. Plus, the registry does not get rewritten on
> an
> : > : o-t-t which can create yet more problems. Alan's question remains:
> how do
> : > : you know the files are damaged?
> : > :
> : > : --
> : > : Regards
> : > :
> : > : Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98
> : > : Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
> : > : Knowledge Base Info:
> : > : http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo
> : > :
> : > : "Ross" > wrote in message
> : > : ...
> : > : > Alan, thank you for your reply. Basically I want to learn how to do
> an
> : > : > over-install. If you know how I would appreciate learning how and all
> : > help
> : > : > is
> : > : > appreciated. Thank you.
> : > : >
> : > : > "Alan Edwards" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : >> I suggest you replace the damaged files, rather than take the
> dubious
> : > : >> step of installing over the top.
> : > : >>
> : > : >> How do you know they are damaged?
> : > : >>
> : > : >> ....Alan
> : > : >>
> : > : >> --
> : > : >> Alan Edwards, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
> : > : >> http://dts-l.org/index.html
> : > : >>
> : > : >> In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "Ross"
> : > : >> > wrote:
> : > : >>
> : > : >> >I am running Win98 SE. I have a few damaged files. I know doing
> what
> : > : >> >some
> : > : >> >call an "over install" will repair damaged files. I need a good
> : > detailed
> : > : >> >explanation on how to do an over-install. All help appreciated.
> Thank
> : > : >> >you.
> : > : >>
> : > : >>
> : > :
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> : >
>
>
>

[Ron Badour]

Oops, replied to the wrong post but at least I was in the right thread <G>

--
Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"Ron Badour" > wrote in message
...
> Let Windows boot, put the CD in the drive and it will auto start. If it
> is an OEM CD, chances are it will not do an o-t-t installation without
> some help. If that occurs, use the OEM upgrade procedure described here:
> http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/upgrade.html
>
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98
> Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
> Knowledge Base Info:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo
>
> "Dan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Ross, I definately agree with Alan and Ron. How do you know the files
>> are
>> damaged? Also, an over-install almost always causes more problems than it
>> fixes and I would not take the gamble that your problems will be fixed
>> with
>> an over-install which I cannot suggest under any circumstance that I can
>> currently think of at this moment.
>>
>> "Ron Badour" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> : An over the top (o-t-t) install usually creates more problems then it
>> fixes.
>> : W98 has tons of patches and you are going to create file mismatches if
>> you
>> : proceed with your plan. Plus, the registry does not get rewritten on
>> an
>> : o-t-t which can create yet more problems. Alan's question remains:
>> how do
>> : you know the files are damaged?
>> :
>> : --
>> : Regards
>> :
>> : Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98
>> : Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
>> : Knowledge Base Info:
>> : http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo
>> :
>> : "Ross" > wrote in message
>> : ...
>> : > Alan, thank you for your reply. Basically I want to learn how to do
>> an
>> : > over-install. If you know how I would appreciate learning how and all
>> help
>> : > is
>> : > appreciated. Thank you.
>> : >
>> : > "Alan Edwards" wrote:
>> : >
>> : >> I suggest you replace the damaged files, rather than take the
>> dubious
>> : >> step of installing over the top.
>> : >>
>> : >> How do you know they are damaged?
>> : >>
>> : >> ....Alan
>> : >>
>> : >> --
>> : >> Alan Edwards, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
>> : >> http://dts-l.org/index.html
>> : >>
>> : >> In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "Ross"
>> : >> > wrote:
>> : >>
>> : >> >I am running Win98 SE. I have a few damaged files. I know doing
>> what
>> : >> >some
>> : >> >call an "over install" will repair damaged files. I need a good
>> detailed
>> : >> >explanation on how to do an over-install. All help appreciated.
>> Thank
>> : >> >you.
>> : >>
>> : >>
>> :
>> :
>>
>>
>
>

[Ross]

Ron, thanks for the info and link. I appreciate it.

Ross

"Ron Badour" wrote:

> Let Windows boot, put the CD in the drive and it will auto start. If it is
> an OEM CD, chances are it will not do an o-t-t installation without some
> help. If that occurs, use the OEM upgrade procedure described here:
> http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/upgrade.html
>
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98
> Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
> Knowledge Base Info:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo
>
> "Dan" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Ross, I definately agree with Alan and Ron. How do you know the files are
> > damaged? Also, an over-install almost always causes more problems than it
> > fixes and I would not take the gamble that your problems will be fixed
> > with
> > an over-install which I cannot suggest under any circumstance that I can
> > currently think of at this moment.
> >
> > "Ron Badour" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > : An over the top (o-t-t) install usually creates more problems then it
> > fixes.
> > : W98 has tons of patches and you are going to create file mismatches if
> > you
> > : proceed with your plan. Plus, the registry does not get rewritten on an
> > : o-t-t which can create yet more problems. Alan's question remains: how
> > do
> > : you know the files are damaged?
> > :
> > : --
> > : Regards
> > :
> > : Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98
> > : Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
> > : Knowledge Base Info:
> > : http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo
> > :
> > : "Ross" > wrote in message
> > : ...
> > : > Alan, thank you for your reply. Basically I want to learn how to do
> > an
> > : > over-install. If you know how I would appreciate learning how and all
> > help
> > : > is
> > : > appreciated. Thank you.
> > : >
> > : > "Alan Edwards" wrote:
> > : >
> > : >> I suggest you replace the damaged files, rather than take the dubious
> > : >> step of installing over the top.
> > : >>
> > : >> How do you know they are damaged?
> > : >>
> > : >> ....Alan
> > : >>
> > : >> --
> > : >> Alan Edwards, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
> > : >> http://dts-l.org/index.html
> > : >>
> > : >> In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "Ross"
> > : >> > wrote:
> > : >>
> > : >> >I am running Win98 SE. I have a few damaged files. I know doing what
> > : >> >some
> > : >> >call an "over install" will repair damaged files. I need a good
> > detailed
> > : >> >explanation on how to do an over-install. All help appreciated.
> > Thank
> > : >> >you.
> > : >>
> > : >>
> > :
> > :
> >
> >
>
>
>

[Dan]

I do not appreciate being talked down to Ross. You should have more respect
for people and if you cannot then please leave this newsgroup. Have a great
day!

"Ross" > wrote in message
...
: Dan, I posted my question to 2 other tech boards (other than Microsoft) and
: have been informed of several ways to do an over-install, which I fully
: intend to do tomorrow. Quite frankly, if you will not answer posted
questions
: that you know the answer to, perhaps your time would be better spent else
: where.
:
: "Dan" wrote:
:
: > Sorry, I cannot suggest an over-install and thus will not offer support.
As
: > far as everyone else, I will let them speak their own mind about it if
they
: > so please.
: >
: > "Ross" > wrote in message
: > ...
: > : Thank everyone who has responded to my question. I am not 100% sure I
have
: > : damaged files. So, lets get that out of the way - I am not 100% sure I
have
: > : damaged files. I just want to know how to do an over-install. I want to
do
: > it
: > : just for the "heck of it" - it will be a learning experience for me and
I
: > am
: > : always trying to expand my PC knowledge. If the over-install causes
: > problems
: > : I know how to format the HD and reinstall. The way I am going to
: > over-install
: > : is as follows:
: > :
: > : With the Win98 disk in drive D I am going to open Windows Explorer and
: > click
: > : on D and follow the prompts until I find "setup" and go from there.
That is
: > : the way I think it is done but I am not sure. Please let me know if I
will
: > be
: > : doing it right or is there a better way. All help appreciated. Thanks.
: > :
: > : "Dan" wrote:
: > :
: > : > Ross, I definately agree with Alan and Ron. How do you know the
files
: > are
: > : > damaged? Also, an over-install almost always causes more problems
than it
: > : > fixes and I would not take the gamble that your problems will be
fixed
: > with
: > : > an over-install which I cannot suggest under any circumstance that I
can
: > : > currently think of at this moment.
: > : >
: > : > "Ron Badour" > wrote in message
: > : > ...
: > : > : An over the top (o-t-t) install usually creates more problems then
it
: > : > fixes.
: > : > : W98 has tons of patches and you are going to create file mismatches
if
: > you
: > : > : proceed with your plan. Plus, the registry does not get rewritten
on
: > an
: > : > : o-t-t which can create yet more problems. Alan's question remains:
: > how do
: > : > : you know the files are damaged?
: > : > :
: > : > : --
: > : > : Regards
: > : > :
: > : > : Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98
: > : > : Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
: > : > : Knowledge Base Info:
: > : > : http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo
: > : > :
: > : > : "Ross" > wrote in message
: > : > : ...
: > : > : > Alan, thank you for your reply. Basically I want to learn how to
do
: > an
: > : > : > over-install. If you know how I would appreciate learning how and
all
: > : > help
: > : > : > is
: > : > : > appreciated. Thank you.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Alan Edwards" wrote:
: > : > : >
: > : > : >> I suggest you replace the damaged files, rather than take the
: > dubious
: > : > : >> step of installing over the top.
: > : > : >>
: > : > : >> How do you know they are damaged?
: > : > : >>
: > : > : >> ....Alan
: > : > : >>
: > : > : >> --
: > : > : >> Alan Edwards, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
: > : > : >> http://dts-l.org/index.html
: > : > : >>
: > : > : >> In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "Ross"
: > : > : >> > wrote:
: > : > : >>
: > : > : >> >I am running Win98 SE. I have a few damaged files. I know doing
: > what
: > : > : >> >some
: > : > : >> >call an "over install" will repair damaged files. I need a good
: > : > detailed
: > : > : >> >explanation on how to do an over-install. All help appreciated.
: > Thank
: > : > : >> >you.
: > : > : >>
: > : > : >>
: > : > :
: > : > :
: > : >
: > : >
: > : >
: >
: >
: >

[Dan]

It is just a matter of time before Ross will have to do a complete format and
reinstall but I am amused that he is putting off the inevitable. Oh Well,
people have to learn sometime or other.

"PCR" > wrote in message
...
: If errors are caused by hardware, then a reinstall of Windows is not the
: cure. However...
:
: Setup.exe, run from your Installation CD or from your .cabs folder,
: accomplishes either an Over-Install or a Fresh Install. The procedural
: difference is you first wipe the prior Windows installation for a Fresh
: Install, or install it to different folders. Two folders are involved:
: "C:\Windows" & "C:\Program Files", and these files: MSDOS.sys,
: Config.sys, Autoexec.bat & System.1st.
:
: For an Over-install, you must direct it to install to C:\Windows,
: instead of C:\Windows.000 (where it normally would want to go, when it
: sees a "C:\Windows" already exists).
:
: An over-install supposedly leaves all else intact, but there are some
: who say it will over-write .vxds (drivers) and otherwise musses
: settings. Therefore, it becomes a lot of work to do it, as you must
: un/re-install large applications, before/after the over-install. Also,
: you must go to Windows Update afterwards, to see whether it detects it
: needs to reinstall it's criticals. There is Version Conflict Manager to
: do. Finally, they say, it is wise to back up critical data even before
: an over-install.
:
: Others swear an over-install is effortless (under an hour) and
: effective. Just select to install to the existing directory, when it
: makes the offer to go elsewhere. If it fails, then you may need to do a
: tweak, such as renaming Win.com before starting. (Personally, I have
: never Fresh or Over-Installed Windows. I did actually click Setup.exe
: once, and was presented with an alluring screenful-- but I cancelled.)
: Well, anyway, take a look at the URLs below, which really apply to both.
:
: You want to do a FRESH Install? Are you pure Windows or OEM, such as
: Compaq? If you are OEM, then you can get back to factory condition by
: using their recovery CD, such as QuickRestore, which may contain
: proprietary drivers and add-ons. Otherwise...
:
: http://www.hexff.com/index.html How to Clean Install
: This first has it all, but..
: (a) Perhaps don't do the 2.5 swap file thing, &
: (b) You may rather have multiple partitions, &
: (c) Attend it's warning: Have any non-Windows peripheral drivers
: available to install afterwards. Here...
: http://www.pchelpandconsulting.com/links/windows.html WinDrvExpert
: http://www.jermar.com/wdrvbck.htm WinDrvBckup free version
: Those two supposedly back up all currently installed drivers, such that
: they can be reinstalled. I never tried it but have seen a favorable
: report.
:
: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html Badour has one
: http://aumha.org/win4/a/clean.htm Aumha has one
: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=250928 How to Reinstall Windows
: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=193902
: How to Reinstall Windows into a new folder
:
: "Setup.txt", located in the same folder as "Setup.exe", either on CD or
: hard drive. This instructs how to run it from a folder on the hard
: drive, but "hexff" says it better.
: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;129971&Product=w98
: "SU" Error Message List for Windows 95, Windows 98, and Windows Me Setup
:
: Get a Startup Diskette from
: http://www.bootdisk.com/ , if you don't already have one from "Control
: Panel, Add/Remove Programs, Startup Disk tab". Test the Startup
: Diskette. Boot it, put in a CD and "DIR" the CD. It will say which
: letter is the CD. (Otherwise, it is likely one letter higher than
: normal.)
:
: Here is what I know of those Installation CD's. The full list of
: capabilities of each type of CD is as follows, says Harper. Each
: requires a valid Product key. "Proof" means it must see you had a prior
: version. So, if it isn't sitting there, expect to insert a floppy or
: earlier CD.
:
: FULL VERSION: Will perform either clean install or upgrade of existing
: OS. Does not ask for proof of ownership of an earlier version.
:
: UPGRADE VERSION: Will perform either clean install or upgrade of
: existing OS. Will ask for proof of ownership of an earlier version if
: one is not installed.
:
: WIN98 SE UPDATES: Will only install if Windows 98 is present on the hard
: drive. Cannot be used for a clean install at all.
:
: OEM VERSION: Only installs on a clean, fresh-formatted hard drive. May
: be customized to include or omit components that would be found/not
: found on a retail CD.
:
: Be sure of your ProductKey...
: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion
: ProductKey "12345-12345-12345-12345-12345"
:
: (1) "START, Run, RegEdit"
: (2) Click plus signs beginning at "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE", & ending with
: "Windows".
: (3) Click "CurrentVersion" in the left pane under "Windows".
: (4) Look in right pane for ProductKey.
:
: That is the one that was used to install your current Windows. Jot it
: down, as it may work if different from the one on your Windows 98 Manual
: or CD case.
:
:
: --
: Thanks or Good Luck,
: There may be humor in this post, and,
: Naturally, you will not sue,
: should things get worse after this,
: PCR
:
: "Ross" > wrote in message
: ...
: | I am running Win98 SE. I have a few damaged files. I know doing what
: some
: | call an "over install" will repair damaged files. I need a good
: detailed
: | explanation on how to do an over-install. All help appreciated. Thank
: you.
:
:

[PCR]

I don't know! Maybe! Don't get me involved! You should see what I nearly
posted here. Lucky I was offline & could delete it!

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
| It is just a matter of time before Ross will have to do a complete
format and
| reinstall but I am amused that he is putting off the inevitable. Oh
Well,
| people have to learn sometime or other.
|
| "PCR" > wrote in message
| ...
....snip

[Dan]

What was your post, PCR?

"PCR" > wrote in message
...
: I don't know! Maybe! Don't get me involved! You should see what I nearly
: posted here. Lucky I was offline & could delete it!
:
: --
: Thanks or Good Luck,
: There may be humor in this post, and,
: Naturally, you will not sue,
: should things get worse after this,
: PCR
:
: "Dan" > wrote in message
: ...
: | It is just a matter of time before Ross will have to do a complete
: format and
: | reinstall but I am amused that he is putting off the inevitable. Oh
: Well,
: | people have to learn sometime or other.
: |
: | "PCR" > wrote in message
: | ...
: ...snip
:
:
:
:
:

[PCR]

Huh? Oh, something like... WHAT? Uh, no, no, it was humor that didn't
really work. I was going to call those MVP's lazy for not wanting to
answer & accuse you & them of engaging in a battle of ego with Ross. But
Badour isn't really lazy!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
| What was your post, PCR?
|
| "PCR" > wrote in message
| ...
| : I don't know! Maybe! Don't get me involved! You should see what I
nearly
| : posted here. Lucky I was offline & could delete it!
| :
| : --
| : Thanks or Good Luck,
| : There may be humor in this post, and,
| : Naturally, you will not sue,
| : should things get worse after this,
| : PCR
| :
| : "Dan" > wrote in message
| : ...
| : | It is just a matter of time before Ross will have to do a complete
| : format and
| : | reinstall but I am amused that he is putting off the inevitable.
Oh
| : Well,
| : | people have to learn sometime or other.
| : |
| : | "PCR" > wrote in message
| : | ...
| : ...snip
| :
| :
| :
| :
| :
|
|

[Dan]

All right, thanks for the explaination, Bye for now. :>

"PCR" > wrote in message
...
: Huh? Oh, something like... WHAT? Uh, no, no, it was humor that didn't
: really work. I was going to call those MVP's lazy for not wanting to
: answer & accuse you & them of engaging in a battle of ego with Ross. But
: Badour isn't really lazy!
:
:
: --
: Thanks or Good Luck,
: There may be humor in this post, and,
: Naturally, you will not sue,
: should things get worse after this,
: PCR
:
: "Dan" > wrote in message
: ...
: | What was your post, PCR?
: |
: | "PCR" > wrote in message
: | ...
: | : I don't know! Maybe! Don't get me involved! You should see what I
: nearly
: | : posted here. Lucky I was offline & could delete it!
: | :
: | : --
: | : Thanks or Good Luck,
: | : There may be humor in this post, and,
: | : Naturally, you will not sue,
: | : should things get worse after this,
: | : PCR
: | :
: | : "Dan" > wrote in message
: | : ...
: | : | It is just a matter of time before Ross will have to do a complete
: | : format and
: | : | reinstall but I am amused that he is putting off the inevitable.
: Oh
: | : Well,
: | : | people have to learn sometime or other.
: | : |
: | : | "PCR" > wrote in message
: | : | ...
: | : ...snip
: | :
: | :
: | :
: | :
: | :
: |
: |
:
:

[PCR]

OK, bye.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
| All right, thanks for the explaination, Bye for now. :>
|
| "PCR" > wrote in message
| ...
| : Huh? Oh, something like... WHAT? Uh, no, no, it was humor that
didn't
| : really work. I was going to call those MVP's lazy for not wanting to
| : answer & accuse you & them of engaging in a battle of ego with Ross.
But
| : Badour isn't really lazy!
| :
| :
| : --
| : Thanks or Good Luck,
| : There may be humor in this post, and,
| : Naturally, you will not sue,
| : should things get worse after this,
| : PCR
| :
| : "Dan" > wrote in message
| : ...
| : | What was your post, PCR?
| : |
| : | "PCR" > wrote in message
| : | ...
| : | : I don't know! Maybe! Don't get me involved! You should see what
I
| : nearly
| : | : posted here. Lucky I was offline & could delete it!
| : | :
| : | : --
| : | : Thanks or Good Luck,
| : | : There may be humor in this post, and,
| : | : Naturally, you will not sue,
| : | : should things get worse after this,
| : | : PCR
| : | :
| : | : "Dan" > wrote in message
| : | : ...
| : | : | It is just a matter of time before Ross will have to do a
complete
| : | : format and
| : | : | reinstall but I am amused that he is putting off the
inevitable.
| : Oh
| : | : Well,
| : | : | people have to learn sometime or other.
| : | : |
| : | : | "PCR" > wrote in message
| : | : | ...
| : | : ...snip
| : | :
| : | :
| : | :
| : | :
| : | :
| : |
| : |
| :
| :
|
|