Windows 98se does not recognize the memory correctly

[Greg R]

Sorry for the multi-posting


I have an emachine w2040 made for xp. I have set up a dual-boot with
xp.

Windows 98se does not recognize the memory correctly.
Occasionally, Windows 98 explorer.exe will freeze and requires a
hard boot. I was wandering if there is any memory manger that can fix
this or is there a tweak I could try?

Thank you all for your help.

I do know one problem. Is the option rom is enabled and there is no
way to disable it-in the bios.


Greg R

[Ron Badour]

Memory managers are snake oil--save your money.

You don't provide enough information. What are you using to check
memory--what's it say, what amount do you have installed, etc? What is
going on when explorer freezes? Any error messages? Did this start
happening after an update or software program addition?

--
Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"Greg R" > wrote in message
...
> Sorry for the multi-posting
>
>
> I have an emachine w2040 made for xp. I have set up a dual-boot with
> xp.
>
> Windows 98se does not recognize the memory correctly.
> Occasionally, Windows 98 explorer.exe will freeze and requires a
> hard boot. I was wandering if there is any memory manger that can fix
> this or is there a tweak I could try?
>
> Thank you all for your help.
>
> I do know one problem. Is the option rom is enabled and there is no
> way to disable it-in the bios.
>
>
> Greg R
>

[philo]

"Greg R" > wrote in message
...
> Sorry for the multi-posting
>
>
> I have an emachine w2040 made for xp. I have set up a dual-boot with
> xp.
>
> Windows 98se does not recognize the memory correctly.
> Occasionally, Windows 98 explorer.exe will freeze and requires a
> hard boot. I was wandering if there is any memory manger that can fix
> this or is there a tweak I could try?
>
> Thank you all for your help.
>
> I do know one problem. Is the option rom is enabled and there is no
> way to disable it-in the bios.
>


sounds like you must have an on-board video card
with some of the memory assigned to it.
you may have better results adding a pci or agp video card

[TheBeat999]

FOLLOW-UP SET

"Greg R" > wrote in message
...
> Sorry for the multi-posting
>
>
> I have an emachine w2040 made for xp. I have set up a dual-boot with
> xp.
>
> Windows 98se does not recognize the memory correctly.
> Occasionally, Windows 98 explorer.exe will freeze and requires a
> hard boot. I was wandering if there is any memory manger that can fix
> this or is there a tweak I could try?
>
> Thank you all for your help.
>
> I do know one problem. Is the option rom is enabled and there is no
> way to disable it-in the bios.

It sounds like you may have more than 512MB fitted. If so, you must limit Windows 98's
VCACHE to no more than 80% RAM or 512MB, whichever is the lower. Normally you won't
need anywhere near as much. Start with 32MB and work up if required. To limit VCACHE,
edit SYSTEM.INI using notepad. The following represents a minimum of 4MB and a maximum
of 32MB. Adjust as required.

[vcache]
MinFileCache=4096
MaxFileCache=32768

If you have more than 1GB fitted, you may also have to limit the amount of RAM
available to Windows 98. Although it should be capable of supporting up to 2GB of RAM,
you will encounter problems at that level. Microsoft themselves recommend a maximum of
just 1GB (or 1.5GB depending on what article you read). You can specify a RAM limit by
running MSCONFIG and selecting Advanced. Start at 1GB and work up or down from there
as required.

Neither of these fixes will affect Windows XP, which can handle up to 4GB of RAM
without any limitations. To use more than this you'll need the 64-bit version and a
suitable machine to run it on.

[Greg R]

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:15:52 -0600, "Ron Badour" >
wrote:

>Memory managers are snake oil--save your money.
>
>You don't provide enough information. What are you using to check
>memory--what's it say, what amount do you have installed, etc? What is
>going on when explorer freezes? Any error messages? Did this start
>happening after an update or software program addition?



First, that incorrect. Some Memory manager are not snake oil.
Some memory manager are need for dos games.

When coping a lot of files to another folder. It had happen to
freeze.

I am using msd from windows dos, both with and without emm386.exe
Loaded.

Come to find out there is another memory manger loaded-or at least I
think it is. Called sxms according to msd.

I have remove the exclusion in the system.ini file to see if that
stops the errors.


Greg R

[Greg R]

>
>sounds like you must have an on-board video card
>with some of the memory assigned to it.
>you may have better results adding a pci or agp video card
>

I think you are correct. Never, thought of that

Greg R

[Jeff Richards]

MSD will report that amount of memory that the DOS session, which was
started by Windows, has been allocated. This figure has nothing to do with
the memory that Windows knows about, but is controlled mainly from the
settings of the PIF file that you are using to start the DOS session.

Why are you interested in DOS memory? DOS can use an EMS or XMS manager
according to the requirements of DOS programs. This is nothing to do with
Windows. The memory managers that are snake oil are the Windows ones that
promise to optimise and defrag Windows memory. What exactly did you change
in SYSTEM.INI?

If you suspect memory problems are involved in the copying freeze, you need
to examine memory using Windows tools.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Greg R" > wrote in message
...
> snip <
>
> First, that incorrect. Some Memory manager are not snake oil.
> Some memory manager are need for dos games.
>
> When coping a lot of files to another folder. It had happen to
> freeze.
>
> I am using msd from windows dos, both with and without emm386.exe
> Loaded.
>
> Come to find out there is another memory manger loaded-or at least I
> think it is. Called sxms according to msd.
>
> I have remove the exclusion in the system.ini file to see if that
> stops the errors.
>
>
> Greg R

[Ron Badour]

On the file transfer freeze in Explorer--what version of IE are you using?
If IE6, then I suspect that it is the same problem where Explorer freezes
when deleting a large number of files.

--
Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"Greg R" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:15:52 -0600, "Ron Badour" >
> wrote:
>
>>Memory managers are snake oil--save your money.
>>
>>You don't provide enough information. What are you using to check
>>memory--what's it say, what amount do you have installed, etc? What is
>>going on when explorer freezes? Any error messages? Did this start
>>happening after an update or software program addition?
>
>
>
> First, that incorrect. Some Memory manager are not snake oil.
> Some memory manager are need for dos games.
>
> When coping a lot of files to another folder. It had happen to
> freeze.
>
> I am using msd from windows dos, both with and without emm386.exe
> Loaded.
>
> Come to find out there is another memory manger loaded-or at least I
> think it is. Called sxms according to msd.
>
> I have remove the exclusion in the system.ini file to see if that
> stops the errors.
>
>
> Greg R

[Greg R]

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:08:00 +1100, "Jeff Richards"
> wrote:

>MSD will report that amount of memory that the DOS session, which was
>started by Windows, has been allocated. This figure has nothing to do with
>the memory that Windows knows about, but is controlled mainly from the
>settings of the PIF file that you are using to start the DOS session.
>
>Why are you interested in DOS memory? DOS can use an EMS or XMS manager
>according to the requirements of DOS programs. This is nothing to do with
>Windows. The memory managers that are snake oil are the Windows ones that
>promise to optimise and defrag Windows memory. What exactly did you change
>in SYSTEM.INI?
>
>If you suspect memory problems are involved in the copying freeze, you need
>to examine memory using Windows tools.


I missed typed. I used msd in dos and in windows.

Greg R

[Greg R]

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:00:48 -0600, "Ron Badour" >
wrote:

>On the file transfer freeze in Explorer--what version of IE are you using?
>If IE6, then I suspect that it is the same problem where Explorer freezes
>when deleting a large number of files.

Yes. Yes it freeze when doing that as well. Any fix?

Greg R

[Jeff Richards]

MSD always runs in a DOS session, whether you open a DOS box and then run
it, or you run it from Windows. In both cases, the information about memory
is information about the memory for the DOS session, not Windows memory.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Greg R" > wrote in message
...
> snip <
> I missed typed. I used msd in dos and in windows.
>
> Greg R

[Ron Badour]

There is no fix other than reverting to an earlier version of IE or changing
out two .dll files which I do not recommend. See the thread in this
newsgroup that started in late Jan and continued to 7 Feb: did they ever
fix the desktop freeze on delete with IE6?
--
Regards


Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"Greg R" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:00:48 -0600, "Ron Badour" >
> wrote:
>
>>On the file transfer freeze in Explorer--what version of IE are you using?
>>If IE6, then I suspect that it is the same problem where Explorer freezes
>>when deleting a large number of files.
>
> Yes. Yes it freeze when doing that as well. Any fix?
>
> Greg R

[Greg R]

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:59:29 -0600, "Ron Badour" >
wrote:

>There is no fix other than reverting to an earlier version of IE or changing
>out two .dll files which I do not recommend. See the thread in this
>newsgroup that started in late Jan and continued to 7 Feb: did they ever
>fix the desktop freeze on delete with IE6?


Why don’t you recommend the dll fix? I am trying it.

Greg R

[Ron Badour]

Because you can end up with a .dll mismatch and whatever the revised .dll
fixed in the security update will no longer be fixed. I tried replacing the
..dlls and it cured the freezing problem. W98 is no longer my primary system
and I do not use it for the internet so I had no worries about what the
substitution may have done.

--
Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"Greg R" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:59:29 -0600, "Ron Badour" >
> wrote:
>
>>There is no fix other than reverting to an earlier version of IE or
>>changing
>>out two .dll files which I do not recommend. See the thread in this
>>newsgroup that started in late Jan and continued to 7 Feb: did they ever
>>fix the desktop freeze on delete with IE6?
>
>
> Why don't you recommend the dll fix? I am trying it.
>
> Greg R