Slipstream in ME??

[looneytunes>verizone.net]

There is a wealth of information in the XP groups about creating a
"Slipstreamed" bootable CD incorporating Windows XP, Home or Pro, with
SP2 which will allow a clean installation of either XP version up to
date with SP2. My question for the MVP's is "can this be done within the
confines of WindowsME as well or, does the process only work if XP is
already installed?" I have seen some posts and pages that even hint it
only works if the NTFS file system is used. I have read so many
suggested methods that my old brain is leaking confusion. For what it is
worth, I was hoping that a slipstreamed CD would make upgrading to XP
Home a one step affair. Any comments or guru wisdom would be appreciated.

sced13ri (Looking for the easy answer.) ;-)

[Mike M]

Since no Service Pack has ever been issued for Win Me there is nothing to
slipstream. Slipstreaming is the process of integrating a service pack
into an earlier version, either RTM (the original release) or a version
containing an earlier service pack.

Slipstreaming has nothing to do with the filing system in use nor is it
exclusive to XP, for example Win2K service packs can be slipstreamed into
W2K as also can be service packs for MS Office into the original MS Office
release (same underlying version naturally).

What can be done, but is hardly worth the trouble is to use msbatch from
the Win98 Resource Kit to integrate missing or updated drivers into the
Win Me file set and also certain hotfixes can be added.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



"looneytunes>verizone.net verizone.net >" <"looneytunes> wrote in message
....

> There is a wealth of information in the XP groups about creating a
> "Slipstreamed" bootable CD incorporating Windows XP, Home or Pro, with
> SP2 which will allow a clean installation of either XP version up to
> date with SP2. My question for the MVP's is "can this be done within the
> confines of WindowsME as well or, does the process only work if XP is
> already installed?" I have seen some posts and pages that even hint it
> only works if the NTFS file system is used. I have read so many
> suggested methods that my old brain is leaking confusion. For what it is
> worth, I was hoping that a slipstreamed CD would make upgrading to XP
> Home a one step affair. Any comments or guru wisdom would be
> appreciated.

[looneytunes>verizone.net]

Mike M wrote:

> Since no Service Pack has ever been issued for Win Me there is nothing
> to slipstream. Slipstreaming is the process of integrating a service
> pack into an earlier version, either RTM (the original release) or a
> version containing an earlier service pack.
>
> Slipstreaming has nothing to do with the filing system in use nor is it
> exclusive to XP, for example Win2K service packs can be slipstreamed
> into W2K as also can be service packs for MS Office into the original MS
> Office release (same underlying version naturally).
>
> What can be done, but is hardly worth the trouble is to use msbatch from
> the Win98 Resource Kit to integrate missing or updated drivers into the
> Win Me file set and also certain hotfixes can be added.
Mike:

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my post. I am not looking to slipstream
a Windows ME disk. My question was "can I create a bootable XP/SP2 CD
within the confines of Windows ME" to be used for my upgrade from ME to
XP Home. I have the full retail XP Home CD and the Microsoft SP2 CD.
Based on your reply, perhaps you could direct me to good information on
how to do it, if what I am asking is possible. Sorry if I wasn't clear
enough. Old brains are sometimes hard to read. :-)

sced13ri

[Mike M]

The operating system or platform in use should be immaterial when creating
a slipstream image.

For one method of creating a slipstream image (which is basically the
method I used to create my slipstream CDs) can be found at
http://www.helpwithwindows.com/WindowsXP/winxp-sp2-bootcd.html.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



"looneytunes>verizone.net verizone.net >" <"looneytunes> wrote in message
....

> Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my post. I am not looking to
> slipstream a Windows ME disk. My question was "can I create a
> bootable XP/SP2 CD within the confines of Windows ME" to be used for
> my upgrade from ME to XP Home. I have the full retail XP Home CD and
> the Microsoft SP2 CD. Based on your reply, perhaps you could direct
> me to good information on how to do it, if what I am asking is
> possible. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. Old brains are sometimes
> hard to read. :-)

[ForestSpirit]

Forgive me if it is inappropriate to post my question here, but it directly
relates to this thread. Isn't it better to add to an existing thread rather
than start a new one? If not and you consider this to be hijacking and think
I should create my own thread for this, please tell me, and very sorry for
posting here.

1. Mike, what do you mean by WinMe file set?
2. Do you mean one or all of these places that have CAB files?
C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS
C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL
C:\ADMIN\WinMeOEM [where I installed WinMe from]
3. Would all of these locations need updating, or just some?
4. Specifically *which* hotfixes (windows updates) for WinMe can be
integrated into the file set using msbatch?

I'd like to know how to use it to add drivers and certain updates to create
a custom WinMe CD and an updated custom installation source point at
C:\ADMIN\WinMeOEM. I've heard that drivers and the WinMe System Restore
Update 290700 can be included but that IE6SP1, DX90c, and WMP9 cannot. I
have the Win98 Resource Kit but do not know how to use msbatch. The book is
technical at times and my DOS skills are novice.

5. Where can I learn more about how to use msbatch 98?
6. Which files do I need: batch.exe, infinst.exe, dbset.exe?
7. Would I have to initially run msbatch from my Win98se laptop instead of
my WinMe computer? It sounds like I may need to write a custom script (.inf)
file. I don't know how to do that but am willing to learn. Thanks.
--
ForestSpirit
--
"Mike M" > wrote in message
...
> What can be done, but is hardly worth the trouble is to use msbatch from
> the Win98 Resource Kit to integrate missing or updated drivers into the
> Win Me file set and also certain hotfixes can be added.
> --
> Mike Maltby MS-MVP
>

[looneytunes>verizone.net]

Mike M wrote:

> The operating system or platform in use should be immaterial when
> creating a slipstream image.
>
> For one method of creating a slipstream image (which is basically the
> method I used to create my slipstream CDs) can be found at
> http://www.helpwithwindows.com/WindowsXP/winxp-sp2-bootcd.html.

Thanks Mike,

That is one of the pages I looked at and printed out for reference. What
added to my confusion is the third paragraph under the initial heading
which says;

"Microsoft added the ability to Slipstream a Service Pack to Windows
2000 and Windows XP. It not only has the advantage that when you
(re)install your OS, you don't have to apply the Service Pack later,
also if you update any Windows component later, you'll be sure that you
get the correct installation files if Windows needs any."

It gives the impression that this ability is only available in XP or
2000. Maybe I am reading it too literally. I will certainly give it a try.

sced13ri

[Noel Paton]

One problem at a time, FS!! <g>
Let's get your IE sorted out, and then you can come back with these
questions!

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"ForestSpirit" > wrote in message
...
> Forgive me if it is inappropriate to post my question here, but it
> directly
> relates to this thread. Isn't it better to add to an existing thread
> rather
> than start a new one? If not and you consider this to be hijacking and
> think
> I should create my own thread for this, please tell me, and very sorry for
> posting here.
>
> 1. Mike, what do you mean by WinMe file set?
> 2. Do you mean one or all of these places that have CAB files?
> C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS
> C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL
> C:\ADMIN\WinMeOEM [where I installed WinMe from]
> 3. Would all of these locations need updating, or just some?
> 4. Specifically *which* hotfixes (windows updates) for WinMe can be
> integrated into the file set using msbatch?
>
> I'd like to know how to use it to add drivers and certain updates to
> create
> a custom WinMe CD and an updated custom installation source point at
> C:\ADMIN\WinMeOEM. I've heard that drivers and the WinMe System Restore
> Update 290700 can be included but that IE6SP1, DX90c, and WMP9 cannot. I
> have the Win98 Resource Kit but do not know how to use msbatch. The book
> is
> technical at times and my DOS skills are novice.
>
> 5. Where can I learn more about how to use msbatch 98?
> 6. Which files do I need: batch.exe, infinst.exe, dbset.exe?
> 7. Would I have to initially run msbatch from my Win98se laptop instead of
> my WinMe computer? It sounds like I may need to write a custom script
> (.inf)
> file. I don't know how to do that but am willing to learn. Thanks.
> --
> ForestSpirit
> --
> "Mike M" > wrote in message
> ...
>> What can be done, but is hardly worth the trouble is to use msbatch from
>> the Win98 Resource Kit to integrate missing or updated drivers into the
>> Win Me file set and also certain hotfixes can be added.
>> --
>> Mike Maltby MS-MVP
>>
>
>
>

[Mike M]

I don't know. I've never tried to run a command such as
ServicePack2.exe /integrate:drive/RTM
in a Command Window (DOS) in Win Me and am never likely to want to try to
do so, so you may well be right. On the face of it I see no reason why it
should not but likewise have some difficulty in understanding why someone
should want to try to do this since someone wishing to create a slipstream
copy of XP SP2 would presumable already have a PC running XP available to
them and if not could install XP RTM or XP SP1, not activate, build XP SP2
and then use the slipstreamed XP SP2.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



"looneytunes>verizone.net" <"looneytunes>verizone.net"> wrote:

> That is one of the pages I looked at and printed out for reference.
> What added to my confusion is the third paragraph under the initial
> heading which says;
>
> "Microsoft added the ability to Slipstream a Service Pack to Windows
> 2000 and Windows XP. It not only has the advantage that when you
> (re)install your OS, you don't have to apply the Service Pack later,
> also if you update any Windows component later, you'll be sure that
> you get the correct installation files if Windows needs any."
>
> It gives the impression that this ability is only available in XP or
> 2000. Maybe I am reading it too literally. I will certainly give it a
> try.

[looneytunes>verizone.net]

Mike M wrote:
> I don't know. I've never tried to run a command such as
> ServicePack2.exe /integrate:drive/RTM
> in a Command Window (DOS) in Win Me and am never likely to want to try
> to do so, so you may well be right. On the face of it I see no reason
> why it should not but likewise have some difficulty in understanding why
> someone should want to try to do this since someone wishing to create a
> slipstream copy of XP SP2 would presumable already have a PC running XP
> available to them and if not could install XP RTM or XP SP1, not
> activate, build XP SP2 and then use the slipstreamed XP SP2.

Mike:

I guess the reason propelling my wish to create the slipstream CD is to
avoid the need to upgrade to XP and then to go through the installation
of SP2. Reading the XP newsgroups seems to indicate many have had some
problems after doing SP2 while others say the slipstream method is
easier and also leaves you with a disk suitable for a full reinstall if
necessary. Unless I read some of them wrong they say SP2 is such a
radical revision that your original XP CD can no longer be used for
repair or reinstall. If that is not true please let me know. I will be
adding quite a bit of new hardware to my system after the upgrade and
want to make sure XP works with it all before activation. BTW, your
reference to XP RTM means "retail"?? If all else fails, I can of course
follow your advice, install first then slipstream but in effect is that
much different from just running SP2? I appreciate your hanging with me
while I try to sort this out. I build my own machines and I am not
usually timid about changing things like operating systems but, the move
to XP is more than just an upgrade and I want to do it right the first
time. I have pretty much given up on the idea of a wipe and clean
install because I have too many applications that I do not want to
reinstall. So, please forgive the long post and any more helpful
suggestions would be appreciated.

sced13ri

[Mike M]

Much that you are reading in the XP NGs about slipstreaming would appear
to be hocus pocus as it perhaps are some of the comments that you are
seeing about SP2. However you are quite correct in that an original RTM
(Release To Manufacturing) CD, (which might be thought of as SP0), cannot
be used to launch the repair console once an SP has been installed
although it can still be used for a repair install, although it will
return you to RTM, so ...

> If all else fails, I can of course follow your advice, install first
> then slipstream but in effect is that much different from just
> running SP2?

It would appear that you didn't follow what I was trying to say which was
that you could:
a) Install XP using RTM or SP1 media,
b) Not bother to activate for reasons that will become obvious at d),
c) Create a slipstreamed XP SP2 CD,
d) Wipe your system and finally,
e) Clean install XP SP2 using the media you created at c).

Which other than for wishing you luck just leaves one question. How old
is the XP media you intend using? I ask as it is quite possible that if
recent that it will already be a slipstreamed SP2 copy. Personally I find
the main justification for installing XP using slipstreamed media rather
than to use RTM and then install the latest SP is the considerable saving
in space.

For example installing using slipstreamed SP2 media rather than installing
using RTM or SP1 media followed by installing SP2, avoids the creation of
the windows\servicepackfiles folder which for SP2 contains some 474MB of
files. For those like myself who like to keep their system partitions
"clean and lean" this is a considerable saving in space and results in a
smaller backup image size which is also quicker to create. The saving
over the space occupied for systems which were originally RTM and were
then upgraded to SP1 and then upgraded to SP2 is approaching 1GB.

Regards,
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



"looneytunes>verizone.net" <"looneytunes>verizone.net"> wrote

> I guess the reason propelling my wish to create the slipstream CD is
> to avoid the need to upgrade to XP and then to go through the
> installation of SP2. Reading the XP newsgroups seems to indicate many
> have had some problems after doing SP2 while others say the
> slipstream method is easier and also leaves you with a disk suitable
> for a full reinstall if necessary. Unless I read some of them wrong
> they say SP2 is such a radical revision that your original XP CD can
> no longer be used for repair or reinstall. If that is not true please
> let me know. I will be adding quite a bit of new hardware to my
> system after the upgrade and want to make sure XP works with it all
> before activation. BTW, your reference to XP RTM means "retail"?? If
> all else fails, I can of course follow your advice, install first
> then slipstream but in effect is that much different from just
> running SP2? I appreciate your hanging with me while I try to sort
> this out. I build my own machines and I am not usually timid about
> changing things like operating systems but, the move to XP is more
> than just an upgrade and I want to do it right the first time. I have
> pretty much given up on the idea of a wipe and clean install because
> I have too many applications that I do not want to reinstall. So,
> please forgive the long post and any more helpful suggestions would
> be appreciated.

[looneytunes>verizone.net]

Mike M wrote:

> Much that you are reading in the XP NGs about slipstreaming would appear
> to be hocus pocus as it perhaps are some of the comments that you are
> seeing about SP2. However you are quite correct in that an original RTM
> (Release To Manufacturing) CD, (which might be thought of as SP0),
> cannot be used to launch the repair console once an SP has been
> installed although it can still be used for a repair install, although
> it will return you to RTM, so ...
>
>> If all else fails, I can of course follow your advice, install first
>> then slipstream but in effect is that much different from just
>> running SP2?
>
>
> It would appear that you didn't follow what I was trying to say which
> was that you could:
> a) Install XP using RTM or SP1 media,
> b) Not bother to activate for reasons that will become obvious at d),
> c) Create a slipstreamed XP SP2 CD,
> d) Wipe your system and finally,
> e) Clean install XP SP2 using the media you created at c).
>
> Which other than for wishing you luck just leaves one question. How old
> is the XP media you intend using? I ask as it is quite possible that if
> recent that it will already be a slipstreamed SP2 copy. Personally I
> find the main justification for installing XP using slipstreamed media
> rather than to use RTM and then install the latest SP is the
> considerable saving in space.
>
> For example installing using slipstreamed SP2 media rather than
> installing using RTM or SP1 media followed by installing SP2, avoids the
> creation of the windows\servicepackfiles folder which for SP2 contains
> some 474MB of files. For those like myself who like to keep their
> system partitions "clean and lean" this is a considerable saving in
> space and results in a smaller backup image size which is also quicker
> to create. The saving over the space occupied for systems which were
> originally RTM and were then upgraded to SP1 and then upgraded to SP2 is
> approaching 1GB.
>
> Regards,

Mike:

I purchased XP Home at Comp USA about June or July last year. I believe
that was before SP2 was released. Also, the media carton and packaging
says 2002 Edition. It seems I might have an original CD that may not
even contain SP1 since I don't know the SP1 release date. Your thoughts
on how to do this make sense, even though I did not want to wipe and
reinstall a lot of applications. If I follow, it would seem best to
install my new hardware, upgrade to XP Home, not activate, create the
slipstream disk and then follow up with the clean install. That ought to
keep me busy for quite awhile.

Thanks again for all the help. When I finally get to doing it all, I
will post back and let you know the results.

sced13ri :-)

[Mike M]

OK, 2002 Edition would mean that you have XP with SP1 slipstreamed into
it. SP2 was released in August 2004 and probably not available as
slipstream media until October or maybe even November. That your media
already includes SP1 does not, of course, mean that you cannot now build
in to it SP2.

I've now had the opportunity to run
XPSP2.exe /integrate:drive/path
on a system running Win Me and you are right to be concerned as the
command fails. Running XPSP2.exe (or WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe)
fails when run on Win Me due to it requiring a different version of
ntdll.dll than that included with Win Me.

Do you perhaps have access to a friend's or even work PC running wither
W2K or XP that you could use to create the slipstreamed file set?

Best of luck with whichever route you choose to follow.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



"looneytunes>verizone.net" <"looneytunes>verizone.net"> wrote

> I purchased XP Home at Comp USA about June or July last year. I
> believe that was before SP2 was released. Also, the media carton and
> packaging says 2002 Edition. It seems I might have an original CD
> that may not even contain SP1 since I don't know the SP1 release
> date. Your thoughts on how to do this make sense, even though I did
> not want to wipe and reinstall a lot of applications. If I follow, it
> would seem best to install my new hardware, upgrade to XP Home, not
> activate, create the slipstream disk and then follow up with the
> clean install. That ought to keep me busy for quite awhile.
>
> Thanks again for all the help. When I finally get to doing it all, I
> will post back and let you know the results.

[looneytunes>verizone.net]

Mike M wrote:

> OK, 2002 Edition would mean that you have XP with SP1 slipstreamed into
> it. SP2 was released in August 2004 and probably not available as
> slipstream media until October or maybe even November. That your media
> already includes SP1 does not, of course, mean that you cannot now build
> in to it SP2.
>
> I've now had the opportunity to run
> XPSP2.exe /integrate:drive/path
> on a system running Win Me and you are right to be concerned as the
> command fails. Running XPSP2.exe (or WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe)
> fails when run on Win Me due to it requiring a different version of
> ntdll.dll than that included with Win Me.
>
> Do you perhaps have access to a friend's or even work PC running wither
> W2K or XP that you could use to create the slipstreamed file set?
>
> Best of luck with whichever route you choose to follow.

Mike:

Thanks for doing the research, I was considering trying the ME route
just to learn a bit more. You saved me the trouble. As for work (a
common four letter word :-) ) I retired well back in the last century.
But, I do have family using XP and perhaps they will let me borrow their
system just long enough to make the slipstream. Can't hurt to ask. Your
expertise has been a great help.

sced13ri (Now I am showing my age. Like an old saying "the hurrier I go,
the behinder I get".

[Mike M]

"looneytunes>verizone.net verizone.net >" <"looneytunes> wrote ...

> Thanks for doing the research, I was considering trying the ME route
> just to learn a bit more. You saved me the trouble. As for work (a
> common four letter word :-) ) I retired well back in the last century.
> But, I do have family using XP and perhaps they will let me borrow their
> system just long enough to make the slipstream. Can't hurt to ask. Your
> expertise has been a great help.
>
> sced13ri (Now I am showing my age. Like an old saying "the hurrier I go,
> the behinder I get".

Work? What's that? Like yourself I also retired sometime last century,
in my case due to ill-health. I'm not sure it has meant I work any less
but I know that at least I'm far less stressed than I was when working
even if I didn't realise it at the time and that's probably one of the
reasons why I'm still around and able to bash away at this ole keyboard.
:-)

Cheers - let me know, by e-mail perhaps, how you get on with your move to
XP.

Cheers from London, UK
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP

[Shane]

Mike, 2002 Edition is XP RTM. I believe there were one or two minor
differences - eg, to do with activation period? - that warranted the 2002
designation. Possibly a later IE6.0SP1 subversion too? Anyway, I got mine
about 2 months prior to SP1.


Shane


"Mike M" > wrote in message
...
> OK, 2002 Edition would mean that you have XP with SP1 slipstreamed into
> it. SP2 was released in August 2004 and probably not available as
> slipstream media until October or maybe even November. That your media
> already includes SP1 does not, of course, mean that you cannot now build
> in to it SP2.
>
> I've now had the opportunity to run
> XPSP2.exe /integrate:drive/path
> on a system running Win Me and you are right to be concerned as the
> command fails. Running XPSP2.exe (or WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe)
> fails when run on Win Me due to it requiring a different version of
> ntdll.dll than that included with Win Me.
>
> Do you perhaps have access to a friend's or even work PC running wither
> W2K or XP that you could use to create the slipstreamed file set?
>
> Best of luck with whichever route you choose to follow.
> --
> Mike Maltby MS-MVP
>
>
>
> "looneytunes>verizone.net" <"looneytunes>verizone.net"> wrote
>
>> I purchased XP Home at Comp USA about June or July last year. I
>> believe that was before SP2 was released. Also, the media carton and
>> packaging says 2002 Edition. It seems I might have an original CD
>> that may not even contain SP1 since I don't know the SP1 release
>> date. Your thoughts on how to do this make sense, even though I did
>> not want to wipe and reinstall a lot of applications. If I follow, it
>> would seem best to install my new hardware, upgrade to XP Home, not
>> activate, create the slipstream disk and then follow up with the
>> clean install. That ought to keep me busy for quite awhile.
>>
>> Thanks again for all the help. When I finally get to doing it all, I
>> will post back and let you know the results.
>

[Mike M]

Thanks for that clarification Shane,
Since SP1 was released in 2002 I mistakenly thought that the designation
2002 Edition would have meant that it included SP1. I also seem to recall
that IE6 SP1 was released at the same time as XP SP1 in Aug/Sep 2002.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



Shane > wrote:

> Mike, 2002 Edition is XP RTM. I believe there were one or two minor
> differences - eg, to do with activation period? - that warranted the
> 2002 designation. Possibly a later IE6.0SP1 subversion too? Anyway, I
> got mine about 2 months prior to SP1.

[Joan Archer]

Well look what the cat dragged in <vbg> where have you been hiding <g>
Joan

Shane wrote:
> Mike, 2002 Edition is XP RTM. I believe there were one or two minor
> differences - eg, to do with activation period? - that warranted the 2002
> designation. Possibly a later IE6.0SP1 subversion too? Anyway, I got mine
> about 2 months prior to SP1.
>
>
> Shane

[Joan Archer]

Mike my XP says it is version 2002 but of course I had to install SP1
later followed by SP2
Joan

Mike M wrote:
> Thanks for that clarification Shane,
> Since SP1 was released in 2002 I mistakenly thought that the designation
> 2002 Edition would have meant that it included SP1. I also seem to
> recall that IE6 SP1 was released at the same time as XP SP1 in Aug/Sep
> 2002.

[Shane]

Hi Joan!

Thanks for the card! Must remember to post yours sometime! <vbg>.

I'll tell you: apart from the fact I only boot ME these days to update defs,
apply patches etc, I've been spending time on the rail network! When I
ventured back onto it for the first time in many years late last year I
became aware that most of what was fab about the Underground had been
scrapped in the meantime! So I've been going round trying to see what's
left, while I still can. This also touches on the interest I've had for many
years in the abandoned stations - you know, WWII posters still up, that sort
of thing. And, of course, they don't do tours anymore. Not sure what to do
about that, yet.

In the course of researching these matters I've become aware of Steam Tours
running out of the London termini. What a sight, express steam locomotives
pulling eight or ten coach trains into Kings Cross/Paddington/Victoria!

The Orient Express at Victoria Jan 8th:
http://website.lineone.net/~shanebeatson/images/34067_Vic.jpg
http://website.lineone.net/~shanebeatson/images/34067_VSOE.jpg
http://website.lineone.net/~shanebeatson/images/34067_SET.jpg

Shane



"Joan Archer" > wrote in message
...
> Well look what the cat dragged in <vbg> where have you been hiding <g>
> Joan
>
> Shane wrote:
>> Mike, 2002 Edition is XP RTM. I believe there were one or two minor
>> differences - eg, to do with activation period? - that warranted the 2002
>> designation. Possibly a later IE6.0SP1 subversion too? Anyway, I got mine
>> about 2 months prior to SP1.
>>
>>
>> Shane

[Shane]

Right, Mike. I think I was probably rambling re the IE6 update bit - because
the activation issue alone didn't seem enough to warrant a new designation.
*Grasping at straws*, I believe, would be the term! But all I really
remember is that MS increased the time allowed to activate between the 2001
and *2002* versions.

btw, having done the clearing out of excess floppies last year, I'm now
reducing the CD stock. I'll definately keep the original XP cd - of course -
along with an SP1 slipstream cd and an SP2 slipstream cd. I'll also retain a
standalone SP2 executable-only cd, but it's a wrench not to keep at least
two of absolutely everything!

Got a new burner a week or so ago, so can finally use Mount Ranier. Also got
a very reasonable flat panel monitor for £170 at Comet. Now all I need is a
new computer!

Got an Espresso machine for Christmas. Does that count as a peripheral?

Shane


"Mike M" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks for that clarification Shane,
> Since SP1 was released in 2002 I mistakenly thought that the designation
> 2002 Edition would have meant that it included SP1. I also seem to recall
> that IE6 SP1 was released at the same time as XP SP1 in Aug/Sep 2002.
> --
> Mike Maltby MS-MVP
>
>
>
> Shane > wrote:
>
>> Mike, 2002 Edition is XP RTM. I believe there were one or two minor
>> differences - eg, to do with activation period? - that warranted the
>> 2002 designation. Possibly a later IE6.0SP1 subversion too? Anyway, I
>> got mine about 2 months prior to SP1.
>

[Joan Archer]

In your case yes <vbg>
Joan

Shane wrote:

> Got an Espresso machine for Christmas. Does that count as a peripheral?
>
> Shane
>

[Joan Archer]

That's what you call a train <g> I remember when I was growing up in
Nottingham, it was a wonderful atmosphere at the station with the trains
coming and going, doesn't quite feel the same with the modern day
engines <g>
Joan

Shane wrote:

>
> In the course of researching these matters I've become aware of Steam Tours
> running out of the London termini. What a sight, express steam locomotives
> pulling eight or ten coach trains into Kings Cross/Paddington/Victoria!
>
> The Orient Express at Victoria Jan 8th:
> http://website.lineone.net/~shanebeatson/images/34067_Vic.jpg
> http://website.lineone.net/~shanebeatson/images/34067_VSOE.jpg
> http://website.lineone.net/~shanebeatson/images/34067_SET.jpg
>
> Shane

[Mart]

> Got an Espresso machine for Christmas. Does that count as a peripheral?

Only if you've got UPnP enabled <g>

Mart

[Shane]

"Mart" > wrote in message
...
>> Got an Espresso machine for Christmas. Does that count as a peripheral?
>
> Only if you've got UPnP enabled <g>
>


I would have, Mart, if I could figure out how to program it to tip the
coffee down my throat for me!

Shane

[Shane]

Joan,

I suppose Nottingham was (and indeed is) on the East Coast Main Line -
seeing as how Grantham was apparently one of the fast bits. I guess you'd
have seen the Flying Scotsman?

I grew up on the Southern Region - where the one in the pics operated, but
steam went out while I was a nipper (I vaguely remember those days). It used
to seem the most boring part of the rail network, but actually the SR built
some very good electric trains and they too are almost completely phased
out. Soon there'll be no more 'slam doors' (except on preserved railways and
nostalgia tours). Some of their replacements are pretty good too, but some
are cheap and nasty and already in worse condition than the old stock, most
of which has already been cut up. Soon it'll be nothing but variations on
powered sliding doors and windows you have to break to open.

Of course graffiti-vandalism has had a major effect on the quality of the
modern rail travelling experience. I walked through a coach on our local
main line recently that had just been vandalised. They'd sprayed the walls,
windows, seats and floor! Me, I'd throw them off the train. And I do mean
while it's moving.

Shane


"Joan Archer" > wrote in message
...
> That's what you call a train <g> I remember when I was growing up in
> Nottingham, it was a wonderful atmosphere at the station with the trains
> coming and going, doesn't quite feel the same with the modern day engines
> <g>
> Joan
>
> Shane wrote:
>
>>
>> In the course of researching these matters I've become aware of Steam
>> Tours
>> running out of the London termini. What a sight, express steam
>> locomotives
>> pulling eight or ten coach trains into Kings Cross/Paddington/Victoria!
>>
>> The Orient Express at Victoria Jan 8th:
>> http://website.lineone.net/~shanebeatson/images/34067_Vic.jpg
>> http://website.lineone.net/~shanebeatson/images/34067_VSOE.jpg
>> http://website.lineone.net/~shanebeatson/images/34067_SET.jpg
>>
>> Shane

[Mart]

Ah!... That's easy Shane, you only need to lay the PC on its side and
operate it from a horizontal position, hic..

Mart


"Shane" > wrote in message
...
> "Mart" > wrote in message
> ...
>>> Got an Espresso machine for Christmas. Does that count as a peripheral?
>>
>> Only if you've got UPnP enabled <g>
>>
>
>
> I would have, Mart, if I could figure out how to program it to tip the
> coffee down my throat for me!
>
> Shane
>

[Mike M]

You missed out the all important requirement for the user to be lying on
the floor, face up, with their mouth wide open. :-)
--
Mike


Mart > wrote:

> Ah!... That's easy Shane, you only need to lay the PC on its side and
> operate it from a horizontal position, hic..

[Mart]

Dxxn!! - Didn't have my attributes set, that instruction was in a Hidden
file <bg>

Mart


"Mike M" > wrote in message
...
> You missed out the all important requirement for the user to be lying on
> the floor, face up, with their mouth wide open. :-)
> --
> Mike
>
>
> Mart > wrote:
>
>> Ah!... That's easy Shane, you only need to lay the PC on its side and
>> operate it from a horizontal position, hic..
>

[Mike M]

Been on a spending spree then Shane? I wasn't aware of changes in the
time to activation, what is it now? Can you remember? Did it increase
from 14 days to 28? For myself the only Microsoft CD I have is an
original copy of XP Pro from 2001 which I received together with a number
of licences following the beta. I've since used that copy to make first
my slipstreamed SP1 and now SP2 CDs. I've also got copies of XP on DVD as
part of my MSDN subscription but those have somewhat different licence and
activation conditions from the retail versions - 60 days and up to 10
activations with the difference being, I think, in the PID than the actual
media used (but could well be wrong).

As for getting a new PC, wouldn't it be perhaps cheaper to build it
yourself using much from your present box?

> Got an Espresso machine for Christmas.

Only, as Mart says, if UPnP enabled, however such as machine is an
essential prerequisite for the successful operation of a PC. :-)

Interested to read your comment about Mt.Rainier. That's something I've
never tried although it is supported by my Lite-On CDRW. Since I have an
aversion to using packet software I've never bothered with Mt.Rainier.
What software are you using - InCD? How much time does Mt.Rainier support
save? I seem to recall that all it means is that you don't have to format
al of the CD first before using it but am probably wrong - as I said it's
not something I've ever really tried for myself.
--
Mike


Shane > wrote:

> Right, Mike. I think I was probably rambling re the IE6 update bit -
> because the activation issue alone didn't seem enough to warrant a
> new designation. *Grasping at straws*, I believe, would be the term!
> But all I really remember is that MS increased the time allowed to
> activate between the 2001 and *2002* versions.
>
> btw, having done the clearing out of excess floppies last year, I'm
> now reducing the CD stock. I'll definately keep the original XP cd -
> of course - along with an SP1 slipstream cd and an SP2 slipstream cd.
> I'll also retain a standalone SP2 executable-only cd, but it's a
> wrench not to keep at least two of absolutely everything!
>
> Got a new burner a week or so ago, so can finally use Mount Ranier.
> Also got a very reasonable flat panel monitor for £170 at Comet. Now
> all I need is a new computer!
>
> Got an Espresso machine for Christmas. Does that count as a
> peripheral?

[Shane]

> Been on a spending spree then Shane?

Well, one monitor was progressively failing and the CDRW drive finally did.

> I wasn't aware of changes in the time to activation, what is it now? Can
> you remember? Did it increase from 14 days to 28?

Something like that. I thought it was 30 actually, but maybe it was 28.

> For myself the only Microsoft CD I have is an original copy of XP Pro from
> 2001 which I received together with a number of licences following the
> beta. I've since used that copy to make first my slipstreamed SP1 and now
> SP2 CDs. I've also got copies of XP on DVD as part of my MSDN
> subscription but those have somewhat different licence and activation
> conditions from the retail versions - 60 days and up to 10 activations
> with the difference being, I think, in the PID than the actual media used
> (but could well be wrong).

I remember thinking the activation time had been increased to 2 months, but
I must have been reading one of those loonies such as inhabit the XP groups.
Not that it matters, I've never had trouble activating and since, despite
checking *Remind me every few days* it never fails to remind me after every
restart so I do activate at the earliest opportunity.

>
> As for getting a new PC, wouldn't it be perhaps cheaper to build it
> yourself using much from your present box?

Probably. I do have two HD's no more than a year old, and the new CDRW along
with the old Pioneer DVD drive are worth keeping, though a DVD-RW instead
would be nice. The Athlon and RAM are getting positively creaky now and the
case is plastic tat, but, yes, I think you're right.

>
>> Got an Espresso machine for Christmas.
>
> Only, as Mart says, if UPnP enabled, however such as machine is an
> essential prerequisite for the successful operation of a PC. :-)
>

Yes, I'm wondering if the technology is up to IV feed yet!

> Interested to read your comment about Mt.Rainier. That's something I've
> never tried although it is supported by my Lite-On CDRW. Since I have an
> aversion to using packet software I've never bothered with Mt.Rainier.
> What software are you using - InCD? How much time does Mt.Rainier support
> save? I seem to recall that all it means is that you don't have to format
> al of the CD first before using it but am probably wrong - as I said it's
> not something I've ever really tried for myself.

Haven't really tried it yet, Mike. I'm interested to see what difference it
makes myself, though there presumably will be an improvement simply because
the drive is faster (and more-fully supported by - yes, InCD) than the
previous. However, since I mainly use UDF for transferring from one computer
to another, the fact that the drive in the first doesn't support Mt. Ranier
makes it rather academic, the other drive being unable to see the disc
formatted in MR. <sigh>


Shane

[Shane]

I think you're confusing coffee with whisky, Mart! An easy mistake to make,
I'll grant, especially when plastered!


Shane


"Mart" > wrote in message
...
> Ah!... That's easy Shane, you only need to lay the PC on its side and
> operate it from a horizontal position, hic..
>
> Mart
>
>
> "Shane" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Mart" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>> Got an Espresso machine for Christmas. Does that count as a peripheral?
>>>
>>> Only if you've got UPnP enabled <g>
>>>
>>
>>
>> I would have, Mart, if I could figure out how to program it to tip the
>> coffee down my throat for me!
>>
>> Shane
>>
>
>

[looneytunes>verizone.net]

Wow!!

I had no idea when I started this thread on slipstreaming that the
process also applied to efficient use of liquid libations. 8-) This
application of the process should make my upcoming upgrade efforts
almost painless. A couple of Sapphire martinis should do it. How much
pain can you feel when your brain is in never never land? :-p

sced13ri

Shane wrote:
> I think you're confusing coffee with whisky, Mart! An easy mistake to make,
> I'll grant, especially when plastered!
>
>
> Shane
>
>
> "Mart" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Ah!... That's easy Shane, you only need to lay the PC on its side and
>>operate it from a horizontal position, hic..
>>
>>Mart
>>
>>
>>"Shane" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>"Mart" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>>>Got an Espresso machine for Christmas. Does that count as a peripheral?
>>>>
>>>>Only if you've got UPnP enabled <g>
>>>>
>>>
>>>I would have, Mart, if I could figure out how to program it to tip the
>>>coffee down my throat for me!
>>>
>>>Shane
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Mike M]

Shane,

28 or 30 all the same to me really. If I want to keep the system I've
usually been in a position to activate after 10 days or so but if it is
only a test install I will normally have killed the installation long
before either 28 or 30 days are up.

Not sure what you mean by your Athlon being positively creaky. Even my
best system would be called creaky by some. I never cease to be amazed at
what even Dell will sell you for UKP300 nowadays (2.66GHz celeron), for me
anything 2GHz or better is cutting edge even if a Celeron. :-) Where my
two main PCs may differ from the norm is the amount of HD disk space on
each (500GB on one and 650GB on the other). :-)
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



Shane > wrote:

>> Been on a spending spree then Shane?
>
> Well, one monitor was progressively failing and the CDRW drive
> finally did.
>> I wasn't aware of changes in the time to activation, what is it now?
>> Can you remember? Did it increase from 14 days to 28?
>
> Something like that. I thought it was 30 actually, but maybe it was
> 28.
>> For myself the only Microsoft CD I have is an original copy of XP
>> Pro from 2001 which I received together with a number of licences
>> following the beta. I've since used that copy to make first my
>> slipstreamed SP1 and now SP2 CDs. I've also got copies of XP on DVD
>> as part of my MSDN subscription but those have somewhat different
>> licence and activation conditions from the retail versions - 60 days
>> and up to 10 activations with the difference being, I think, in the
>> PID than the actual media used (but could well be wrong).
>
> I remember thinking the activation time had been increased to 2
> months, but I must have been reading one of those loonies such as
> inhabit the XP groups. Not that it matters, I've never had trouble
> activating and since, despite checking *Remind me every few days* it
> never fails to remind me after every restart so I do activate at the
> earliest opportunity.
>>
>> As for getting a new PC, wouldn't it be perhaps cheaper to build it
>> yourself using much from your present box?
>
> Probably. I do have two HD's no more than a year old, and the new
> CDRW along with the old Pioneer DVD drive are worth keeping, though a
> DVD-RW instead would be nice. The Athlon and RAM are getting
> positively creaky now and the case is plastic tat, but, yes, I think
> you're right.
>>
>>> Got an Espresso machine for Christmas.
>>
>> Only, as Mart says, if UPnP enabled, however such as machine is an
>> essential prerequisite for the successful operation of a PC. :-)
>>
>
> Yes, I'm wondering if the technology is up to IV feed yet!
>
>> Interested to read your comment about Mt.Rainier. That's something
>> I've never tried although it is supported by my Lite-On CDRW. Since
>> I have an aversion to using packet software I've never bothered with
>> Mt.Rainier. What software are you using - InCD? How much time does
>> Mt.Rainier support save? I seem to recall that all it means is that
>> you don't have to format al of the CD first before using it but am
>> probably wrong - as I said it's not something I've ever really tried
>> for myself.
>
> Haven't really tried it yet, Mike. I'm interested to see what
> difference it makes myself, though there presumably will be an
> improvement simply because the drive is faster (and more-fully
> supported by - yes, InCD) than the previous. However, since I mainly
> use UDF for transferring from one computer to another, the fact that
> the drive in the first doesn't support Mt. Ranier makes it rather
> academic, the other drive being unable to see the disc formatted in
> MR. <sigh>
>
> Shane

[Joan Archer]

<lol> That goes without saying <g> a good clip round the ear ole
wouldn't go amiss <g>
I can't remember exactly but I think it was the Great Central Steam
Railway which was originally known as the MS&LR ( Manchester,Sheffield
and Lincolnshire) this became the LNER in 1922 and then closed down in
the 60's due to Beeching.
Joan

Shane wrote:
> Joan,
>
> I suppose Nottingham was (and indeed is) on the East Coast Main Line -
> seeing as how Grantham was apparently one of the fast bits. I guess you'd
> have seen the Flying Scotsman?
> snip>
They'd sprayed the walls,
> windows, seats and floor! Me, I'd throw them off the train. And I do mean
> while it's moving.
>
> Shane

[Joan Archer]

<lol> This post has now set John off <g> he is busy on his machine going
through all about the railway systems past and present <g>
Joan

Shane wrote:
> Joan,
>
> I suppose Nottingham was (and indeed is) on the East Coast Main Line -
> seeing as how Grantham was apparently one of the fast bits. I guess you'd
> have seen the Flying Scotsman?
>snip>

[Shane]

<vbg> I had a feeling it would set *someone* off!



Shane


"Joan Archer" > wrote in message
...
> <lol> This post has now set John off <g> he is busy on his machine going
> through all about the railway systems past and present <g>
> Joan
>
> Shane wrote:
>> Joan,
>>
>> I suppose Nottingham was (and indeed is) on the East Coast Main Line -
>> seeing as how Grantham was apparently one of the fast bits. I guess you'd
>> have seen the Flying Scotsman?
> >snip>

[Shane]

'spect John has already turned this up then, Joan, but
http://www.gcrailway.co.uk/ anyway!

Shane

"Joan Archer" > wrote in message
...
> <lol> That goes without saying <g> a good clip round the ear ole wouldn't
> go amiss <g>
> I can't remember exactly but I think it was the Great Central Steam
> Railway which was originally known as the MS&LR ( Manchester,Sheffield and
> Lincolnshire) this became the LNER in 1922 and then closed down in the
> 60's due to Beeching.
> Joan
>
> Shane wrote:
>> Joan,
>>
>> I suppose Nottingham was (and indeed is) on the East Coast Main Line -
>> seeing as how Grantham was apparently one of the fast bits. I guess you'd
>> have seen the Flying Scotsman?
>> snip>
> They'd sprayed the walls,
>> windows, seats and floor! Me, I'd throw them off the train. And I do mean
>> while it's moving.
>>
>> Shane

[Shane]

> Not sure what you mean by your Athlon being positively creaky. Even my
> best system would be called creaky by some. I never cease to be amazed at
> what even Dell will sell you for UKP300 nowadays (2.66GHz celeron), for me
> anything 2GHz or better is cutting edge even if a Celeron. :-) Where my

850MHz. OK it's not pre-historic but could use the increased speed on
occassion.

> two main PCs may differ from the norm is the amount of HD disk space on
> each (500GB on one and 650GB on the other). :-)

Jeez, Mike, you got the human genome on there or something???


Shane

[Will Denny]

Is John steaming Joan?

--


Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


"Joan Archer" > wrote in message
...
> <lol> This post has now set John off <g> he is busy on his machine going
> through all about the railway systems past and present <g>
> Joan
>
> Shane wrote:
>> Joan,
>>
>> I suppose Nottingham was (and indeed is) on the East Coast Main Line -
>> seeing as how Grantham was apparently one of the fast bits. I guess you'd
>> have seen the Flying Scotsman?
> >snip>

[Mike M]

Shane > wrote:

> 850MHz. OK it's not pre-historic but could use the increased speed on
> occassion.
>
>> two main PCs may differ from the norm is the amount of HD disk space
>> on each (500GB on one and 650GB on the other). :-)
>
> Jeez, Mike, you got the human genome on there or something???

Just the odd video capture. :-) Much of it is "work in progress". As it
happens one of the 200GB drives on this box was bought as an emergency
replacement when I lost a drive due to over heating and I needed a similar
size drive to aid in data recovery. Since then the original drive is back
working OK and sitting here essentially empty (actually it's backing up
another drive).

Oh, I've just realised that the 650GB I mentioned should have been 680GB
(3x200GB + 1x80GB). Try hanging that lot off Win Me. <g>
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP

[Shane]

> Oh, I've just realised that the 650GB I mentioned should have been 680GB
> (3x200GB + 1x80GB). Try hanging that lot off Win Me. <g>

Funny you should mention that, as I have a spare 30GB drive sitting about!
:-)

You know in Fawlty Towers when John Cleese squats down and wraps his head in
his arms in dispair? That's kind of how I feel looking at a 30GB drive and
thinking they can fit 200GB in there now!


Shane

[Heather]

> Oh, I've just realised that the 650GB I mentioned should have been 680GB
(3x200GB + 1x80GB). Try hanging that lot off Win Me.<<<

OK.....dibs on the 80 GB....just priced one today.

Found another tech and he only charges $70? (prices downstairs) for 40 GB,
$99 for 80.....and $60 to install Windows on it.

This guy actually knows the difference between XP Upgrade & Home.....lol.
He is going to do the diagnosis for CyberPower coz...

a) I trust him.....
b) he is just around the corner.....
c) his prices are better. (G)

Only 5 gig more to back up......getting tired of this. Done 8 CD's so far.
(8 x 700 = 5600 meg - 5.6 gig......sigh) Not to mention the Data one. I
think the most tedious part is re-arranging the folders to fit and by genre.

Figgs

"Mike M" > wrote in message
...
> Shane > wrote:
>
> > 850MHz. OK it's not pre-historic but could use the increased speed on
> > occassion.
> >
> >> two main PCs may differ from the norm is the amount of HD disk space
> >> on each (500GB on one and 650GB on the other). :-)
> >
> > Jeez, Mike, you got the human genome on there or something???
>
> Just the odd video capture. :-) Much of it is "work in progress". As it
> happens one of the 200GB drives on this box was bought as an emergency
> replacement when I lost a drive due to over heating and I needed a similar
> size drive to aid in data recovery. Since then the original drive is back
> working OK and sitting here essentially empty (actually it's backing up
> another drive).
>
> Oh, I've just realised that the 650GB I mentioned should have been 680GB
> (3x200GB + 1x80GB). Try hanging that lot off Win Me. <g>
> --
> Mike Maltby MS-MVP
>
>
>
>
>

[Shane]

> Only 5 gig more to back up......getting tired of this. Done 8 CD's so
> far.
> (8 x 700 = 5600 meg - 5.6 gig......sigh) Not to mention the Data one. I
> think the most tedious part is re-arranging the folders to fit and by
> genre.
>

Ouch! I feel your pain, Figgs!


I also feel my own.......clucking ingrowing toenail or summat!


Shane

[Heather]

Tell her it won't get rid of the wrinkles........ROFL!! She will kill me
for this one.....snicker.

Figgs

"Will Denny" > wrote in message
...
> Is John steaming Joan?
>

> Will Denny
> MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
> Please reply to the News Groups
>
>
> "Joan Archer" > wrote in message
> ...
> > <lol> This post has now set John off <g> he is busy on his machine going
> > through all about the railway systems past and present <g>
> > Joan
> >
> > Shane wrote:
> >> Joan,
> >>
> >> I suppose Nottingham was (and indeed is) on the East Coast Main Line -
> >> seeing as how Grantham was apparently one of the fast bits. I guess
you'd
> >> have seen the Flying Scotsman?
> > >snip>
>
>

[Heather]

"Shane" > wrote in message
...
> > Only 5 gig more to back up......getting tired of this. Done 8 CD's so
> > far.
> > (8 x 700 = 5600 meg - 5.6 gig......sigh) Not to mention the Data one.
I
> > think the most tedious part is re-arranging the folders to fit and by
> > genre.
> >
>
> Ouch! I feel your pain, Figgs!

Hi Son......yep, it is a pain. And probably when I get them all done, the
diagnosis will be OK. But better to back them up. Didn't realize I had
that many mp3's.....usually just play them on here. Which is perfectly
legal, in case our resident Canadian kvetcher says anything. For my own use
and enjoyment.....period.

Go see the doc for your ingrown toenail......or soak it in gin and
tonic.....or should that be "drink" the G & T and to heck with the toe. (G)

Figgs
>
>
> I also feel my own.......clucking ingrowing toenail or summat!
>
>
> Shane
>
>

[Joan Archer]

<lol> What a waste <g>
Joan

Heather wrote:

>
> Go see the doc for your ingrown toenail......or soak it in gin and
> tonic.....or should that be "drink" the G & T and to heck with the toe. (G)
>
> Figgs

[Joan Archer]

<lol> Among others, and it's not too far from where we lived before
moving to Wales. I did actually live in Loughborough for a few years
during my first marriage.
Joan

Shane wrote:
> 'spect John has already turned this up then, Joan, but
> http://www.gcrailway.co.uk/ anyway!
>
> Shane

[Joan Archer]

<vbg> He's always steaming Will <g>
Joan

Will Denny wrote:
> Is John steaming Joan?
>

[Joan Archer]

<lol> Nothing will get rid of them, but I grow old gracefully what about
you <vbg>
Joan

Heather wrote:
> Tell her it won't get rid of the wrinkles........ROFL!! She will kill me
> for this one.....snicker.
>
> Figgs
>

[Mike M]

Shane > wrote:

> Funny you should mention that, as I have a spare 30GB drive sitting
> about! :-)
>
> You know in Fawlty Towers when John Cleese squats down and wraps his
> head in his arms in despair? That's kind of how I feel looking at a
> 30GB drive and thinking they can fit 200GB in there now!

I can't help but shudder when I think about how much it cost ten years ago
when I bought (for work of course) a Dell box that was to run as our
departmental server and it was equipped with 2x600MB and 2x1.2GB scsi hard
drive. A whopping 3.6GB in total and that for disk storage not RAM. :-)
To think that 10 years later I'm working with video files that can be 2 or
3 times the size.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP

[Joan Archer]

How times change, my 2.1GB first machine in 1998 seemed huge, now I'm
running with an 80GB which should last me a while <g>
Joan

Mike M wrote:

> I can't help but shudder when I think about how much it cost ten years
> ago when I bought (for work of course) a Dell box that was to run as our
> departmental server and it was equipped with 2x600MB and 2x1.2GB scsi
> hard drive. A whopping 3.6GB in total and that for disk storage not
> RAM. :-) To think that 10 years later I'm working with video files that
> can be 2 or 3 times the size.

[Mike M]

Joan,

Then there was my own first hard drive bought in around 1984/85. I think
it was 20MB and even then had to be partitioned into a 15MB and 5MB drive.
Until then we were using a twin floppy PC clone which allowed us to run
Word Perfect from one floppy drive whilst storing the documents on
another. I'm trying to remember though how we had to deal with the
dictionary - whether we had to replace the program floppy or whether the
dictionary got copied to the data disk so it could be used but naturally
reducing the size and amount of documents that could be saved.
Nevertheless that PC still paid for itself very quickly.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



Joan Archer > wrote:

> How times change, my 2.1GB first machine in 1998 seemed huge, now I'm
> running with an 80GB which should last me a while <g>

[Shane]

> Go see the doc for your ingrown toenail......or soak it in gin and
> tonic.....or should that be "drink" the G & T and to heck with the toe.
> (G)
>

Will do, Figgs! Bourbon though. It was a difficult decision but you've been
an invaluable aid ;-)


Shane

[Shane]

Ah, Loughborough - where the Black Bombers came from......and I'll be
astonished if anyone knows what *that* means!


Shane


"Joan Archer" > wrote in message
...
> <lol> Among others, and it's not too far from where we lived before moving
> to Wales. I did actually live in Loughborough for a few years during my
> first marriage.
> Joan
>
> Shane wrote:
>> 'spect John has already turned this up then, Joan, but
>> http://www.gcrailway.co.uk/ anyway!
>>
>> Shane

[Shane]

lol! Does it come out of his ears?

Shane


"Joan Archer" > wrote in message
...
> <vbg> He's always steaming Will <g>
> Joan
>
> Will Denny wrote:
>> Is John steaming Joan?
>>

[Shane]

"Mike M" > wrote in message
...
> Shane > wrote:
>
>> Funny you should mention that, as I have a spare 30GB drive sitting
>> about! :-)
>>
>> You know in Fawlty Towers when John Cleese squats down and wraps his
>> head in his arms in despair? That's kind of how I feel looking at a
>> 30GB drive and thinking they can fit 200GB in there now!
>
> I can't help but shudder when I think about how much it cost ten years ago
> when I bought (for work of course) a Dell box that was to run as our
> departmental server and it was equipped with 2x600MB and 2x1.2GB scsi hard
> drive. A whopping 3.6GB in total and that for disk storage not RAM. :-)
> To think that 10 years later I'm working with video files that can be 2 or
> 3 times the size.

Amazing. And an anniversary of sorts coming up soon, 10 years since Windows
95. At this rate it'll be 10 years since Windows ME before we know it!


Shane

[Rick T]

"Shane" > wrote in
:

> Ah, Loughborough - where the Black Bombers came from......and I'll be
> astonished if anyone knows what *that* means!

Just a guess, mind you "night missions" WW2 ? Lancs or Mossies


Rick

[looneytunes>verizone.net]

Heather:

Maybe you should check out "Best Buy" if there is one near you. I bought
a WD 120 GiG 7200rpm for $99.99 Jan 11. With two rebates totaling $50.
my net cost is $49.99 plus tax of course. One of the hardware upgrades
mentioned when I started the "slipstream" question. Of course, I won't
be having Windows loaded for me so your comfort level may be more
important than price.

sced13ri

Heather wrote:
>>Oh, I've just realised that the 650GB I mentioned should have been 680GB
>
> (3x200GB + 1x80GB). Try hanging that lot off Win Me.<<<
>
> OK.....dibs on the 80 GB....just priced one today.
>
> Found another tech and he only charges $70? (prices downstairs) for 40 GB,
> $99 for 80.....and $60 to install Windows on it.
>
> This guy actually knows the difference between XP Upgrade & Home.....lol.
> He is going to do the diagnosis for CyberPower coz...
>
> a) I trust him.....
> b) he is just around the corner.....
> c) his prices are better. (G)
>
> Only 5 gig more to back up......getting tired of this. Done 8 CD's so far.
> (8 x 700 = 5600 meg - 5.6 gig......sigh) Not to mention the Data one. I
> think the most tedious part is re-arranging the folders to fit and by genre.
>
> Figgs
>
> "Mike M" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Shane > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>850MHz. OK it's not pre-historic but could use the increased speed on
>>>occassion.
>>>
>>>
>>>>two main PCs may differ from the norm is the amount of HD disk space
>>>>on each (500GB on one and 650GB on the other). :-)
>>>
>>>Jeez, Mike, you got the human genome on there or something???
>>
>>Just the odd video capture. :-) Much of it is "work in progress". As it
>>happens one of the 200GB drives on this box was bought as an emergency
>>replacement when I lost a drive due to over heating and I needed a similar
>>size drive to aid in data recovery. Since then the original drive is back
>>working OK and sitting here essentially empty (actually it's backing up
>>another drive).
>>
>>Oh, I've just realised that the 650GB I mentioned should have been 680GB
>>(3x200GB + 1x80GB). Try hanging that lot off Win Me. <g>
>>--
>>Mike Maltby MS-MVP

>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

[Shane]

"Rick T" > wrote in message
...
> "Shane" > wrote in
> :
>
> > Ah, Loughborough - where the Black Bombers came from......and I'll be
> > astonished if anyone knows what *that* means!
>
> Just a guess, mind you "night missions" WW2 ? Lancs or Mossies
>

Sorry, Rick!

Lancs were just outside Manchester iirc. afaik DH were rather more Southern,
though maybe Mossies were built oop North on account of less likely to be
bombed anyway.


Shane

[Mike M]

I think Mosquitoes were built at DeHavilland's Hatfield factory. As for
"Black Bombers" I suspect you may be referring to something more uplifting
although the Loughborough connection loses me. :-)
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



Shane > wrote:

> Lancs were just outside Manchester iirc. afaik DH were rather more
> Southern, though maybe Mossies were built oop North on account of
> less likely to be bombed anyway.

[Joan Archer]

In Loughborough Mike there was a factory called "Brush" I think it was
part of Hawker Siddely <sp> I know the factory, I used to work there
making fuses they also did turbine engine windings and things like that
my first husbands whole family worked there in one dept. or another even
his mother, she was in the canteen <g>
Joan

Mike M wrote:
> I think Mosquitoes were built at DeHavilland's Hatfield factory. As for
> "Black Bombers" I suspect you may be referring to something more
> uplifting although the Loughborough connection loses me. :-)

[Shane]

Presuming the same Brush, they were a major manufacturer of our
diesel-electric locomotives. Didn't know about an HS connection but I
wouldn't be surprised. Their main competitor was English Electric who not
only made the loco that replaced steam on the East Coast Main Line
expresses - the Deltic - but also our first in-level-flight supersonic jet,
the Lightning (which still holds speed records for vertical flight nearly 50
years after it entered service) and the equally old Canberra jet bomber that
is still in service as a reconnaissance aircraft and pretty-much unsurpassed
in it's role. God what an anorak I've become!


Shane


"Joan Archer" > wrote in message
...
> In Loughborough Mike there was a factory called "Brush" I think it was
> part of Hawker Siddely <sp> I know the factory, I used to work there
> making fuses they also did turbine engine windings and things like that
> my first husbands whole family worked there in one dept. or another even
> his mother, she was in the canteen <g>
> Joan
>
> Mike M wrote:
> > I think Mosquitoes were built at DeHavilland's Hatfield factory. As for
> > "Black Bombers" I suspect you may be referring to something more
> > uplifting although the Loughborough connection loses me. :-)

[Shane]

I suppose by the time Mossies were being built, the Luftwaffe was a spent
force this side of the channel and Hatfield was safe. So long as you weren't
South of the river and having the Doodlebugs diverted your way, away from
Buck House, you probably weren't in too much danger by then!

As for "Black Bombers" I suspect you may be right! TNG would be a clue as to
the connection with Loughborough.



Shane


"Mike M" > wrote in message
...
> I think Mosquitoes were built at DeHavilland's Hatfield factory. As for
> "Black Bombers" I suspect you may be referring to something more uplifting
> although the Loughborough connection loses me. :-)
> --
> Mike Maltby MS-MVP
>
>
>
> Shane > wrote:
>
> > Lancs were just outside Manchester iirc. afaik DH were rather more
> > Southern, though maybe Mossies were built oop North on account of
> > less likely to be bombed anyway.
>

[Mike M]

> but also our first in-level-flight supersonic jet,

But only by a whisker. The Fairy Delta 2 (FD2) piloted by Peter Twiss
first flew a couple of weeks or so after the EE P1 and was just a little
bit faster. :-) World record 1,132 mph
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



Shane > wrote:

> Presuming the same Brush, they were a major manufacturer of our
> diesel-electric locomotives. Didn't know about an HS connection but I
> wouldn't be surprised. Their main competitor was English Electric who
> not only made the loco that replaced steam on the East Coast Main Line
> expresses - the Deltic - but also our first in-level-flight
> supersonic jet, the Lightning (which still holds speed records for
> vertical flight nearly 50 years after it entered service) and the
> equally old Canberra jet bomber that is still in service as a
> reconnaissance aircraft and pretty-much unsurpassed in it's role. God

[Shane]

"Mike M" > wrote in message
...
> > but also our first in-level-flight supersonic jet,
>
> But only by a whisker. The Fairy Delta 2 (FD2) piloted by Peter Twiss
> first flew a couple of weeks or so after the EE P1 and was just a little
> bit faster. :-) World record 1,132 mph

Any of those still around, Mike? I think it's just one of many scandals
inflicted upon our once-magnificent aerospace industry by those time-servers
we give executive power to that there are no lightnings in flying condition
left. Afaik the only flightworthy examples left in the world are two in
Capetown, which were restored here then sold - which you can go up in and
take the controls (the two seater, obviously!).


Shane

[Mike M]

There were only ever 2 FD2s which was a research aircraft built at Fairey
Engineering in Manchester rather than the Fairey factory in Hayes, Middx.
The FD2 had a droop snoop as later used on Concorde. I think one may still
survive at Cosford (RAF Museum). I remember Twiss making a fly pass over
where I lived on his return after his record flight, not for us of course,
but we lived not far from White Waltham which was a test field used by
Fairey's.

Oh - in case you're wondering, my father was an aircraft designer and
worked on the Gannet, Rotadyne, Airco 121 (better known as DH121 or
Trident). Airco was a short lived partnership of De Havilland, Fairey and
Hunting - he was responsible for the tail assembly with the high tail
plane, and then Scout & Wasp helicopters after the merger of Shorts/Fairey
etc. into Westland.

A flight in a Lightning must be a bit like sitting on the back of a rocket
on bonfire night. :-)
--
Mike


Shane > wrote:

> Any of those still around, Mike? I think it's just one of many
> scandals inflicted upon our once-magnificent aerospace industry by
> those time-servers we give executive power to that there are no
> lightnings in flying condition left. Afaik the only flightworthy
> examples left in the world are two in Capetown, which were restored
> here then sold - which you can go up in and take the controls (the
> two seater, obviously!).

[Heather]

Growing old......not quite sure about *gracefully*, lol. But it sure beats
the alternative!!!!

Actually, my younger sister (2 years younger) has more wrinkles than I do,
but she is also a few stone lighter. Pays to have chubby cheeks!!

Cheers.....Heather

"Joan Archer" > wrote in message
...
> <lol> Nothing will get rid of them, but I grow old gracefully what about
> you <vbg>
> Joan
>
> Heather wrote:
> > Tell her it won't get rid of the wrinkles........ROFL!! She will kill
me
> > for this one.....snicker.
> >
> > Figgs
> >

[Heather]

Hi Sced....

AT LAST!! I finished backing up all the mp3's......lost count of how many
data CD's they filled.....just checked.....15 of them. Just have to do one
more data backup and then take this machine in for the diagnosis. Boy, that
was a royal PITA!! And I will probably never play half of them. At least I
can get some of them off this hard drive now.

As for Best Buy....we have one right here in town, with a Geek Squad, cough.
Yet another idiot!! Señor Geek (got a spanish one, grin) didn't know ****
all about my problems and suggested I probably had a virus and to get
Norton. Sigh.....why are all the techs so stupid??? Do they tell males
they have a virus??

Anyway....when I spoke to Willy (the computer store owner) about hard drives
and asked his advice on what brand, he said they were all pretty much the
same (say, WD vs. Maxtor, etc).....just to make sure I got one with a
warranty. He is the one who offered to put Windows on here, and said he
would not recommend a size until he checked out my computer, due to the
power zap.

I have decided, after filling out all the dam paperwork for 3 mail-in
rebates, that I am NEVER buying anything with them again. But I did look at
BB a couple of weeks ago and didn't see any particularly good prices on hard
drives. I will check again.

Thanks for the info, though. Off to get caught up on life as I am tired of
backups. One more to go and that's it for now.

Cheers......Heather

"looneytunes>verizone.net verizone.net >" <"looneytunes> wrote in message
...
> Heather:
>
> Maybe you should check out "Best Buy" if there is one near you. I bought
> a WD 120 GiG 7200rpm for $99.99 Jan 11. With two rebates totaling $50.
> my net cost is $49.99 plus tax of course. One of the hardware upgrades
> mentioned when I started the "slipstream" question. Of course, I won't
> be having Windows loaded for me so your comfort level may be more
> important than price.
>
> sced13ri
>
> Heather wrote:
> >>Oh, I've just realised that the 650GB I mentioned should have been 680GB
> >
> > (3x200GB + 1x80GB). Try hanging that lot off Win Me.<<<
> >
> > OK.....dibs on the 80 GB....just priced one today.
> >
> > Found another tech and he only charges $70? (prices downstairs) for 40
GB,
> > $99 for 80.....and $60 to install Windows on it.
> >
> > This guy actually knows the difference between XP Upgrade &
Home.....lol.
> > He is going to do the diagnosis for CyberPower coz...
> >
> > a) I trust him.....
> > b) he is just around the corner.....
> > c) his prices are better. (G)
> >
> > Only 5 gig more to back up......getting tired of this. Done 8 CD's so
far.
> > (8 x 700 = 5600 meg - 5.6 gig......sigh) Not to mention the Data one.
I
> > think the most tedious part is re-arranging the folders to fit and by
genre.
> >
> > Figgs
> >
> > "Mike M" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Shane > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>850MHz. OK it's not pre-historic but could use the increased speed on
> >>>occassion.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>two main PCs may differ from the norm is the amount of HD disk space
> >>>>on each (500GB on one and 650GB on the other). :-)
> >>>
> >>>Jeez, Mike, you got the human genome on there or something???
> >>
> >>Just the odd video capture. :-) Much of it is "work in progress". As
it
> >>happens one of the 200GB drives on this box was bought as an emergency
> >>replacement when I lost a drive due to over heating and I needed a
similar
> >>size drive to aid in data recovery. Since then the original drive is
back
> >>working OK and sitting here essentially empty (actually it's backing up
> >>another drive).
> >>
> >>Oh, I've just realised that the 650GB I mentioned should have been 680GB
> >>(3x200GB + 1x80GB). Try hanging that lot off Win Me. <g>
> >>--
> >>Mike Maltby MS-MVP
>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >

[Shane]

> The FD2 had a droop snoop as later used on Concorde. I think one may still
> survive at Cosford (RAF Museum).

Mean to go up there one day. I expect you know I live within walking
distance of Hendon. Went there last week, in fact, for the umpteenth time,
but museums are, you know, dead.......

> but we lived not far from White Waltham which was a test field used by
> Fairey's.

If that was while Noel was at Slough, I can understand why you moved!
<rofl.....sorry Noel, you know I can't resist!>

> Oh - in case you're wondering, my father was an aircraft designer and
> worked on the Gannet, Rotadyne, Airco 121 (better known as DH121 or
> Trident). Airco was a short lived partnership of De Havilland, Fairey and
> Hunting - he was responsible for the tail assembly with the high tail
> plane, and then Scout & Wasp helicopters after the merger of Shorts/Fairey
> etc. into Westland.

Wonderful. You must have had a fascinating childhood! I didn't realise the
Trident started as a DeHavilland. Did he have anything to do with the
one-eleven (first plane I ever went up in)? I always thought they had a
familial resemblance.

I used to live near Lasham airport and wish I'd paid more attention to their
Comets. It beats me why we can't keep at least one example of these machines
in fully-working order!

>
> A flight in a Lightning must be a bit like sitting on the back of a rocket
> on bonfire night. :-)
> --

I love the stories about them - like how the first RAF pilots to fly them,
used to Meteors, would find themselves going supersonic on take-off! I count
myself lucky to have seen their airshow party-piece of going vertical.


Shane

[looneytunes>verizone.net]

Heather:

Sounds like you had a mammoth problem. So far, I haven't "fried" :-) any
of my computers. Eggs will do. I admit I have used only WD drives since
I built my first computer and for subsequent hardware upgrades. I have
never had a problem with any of them. Then again, I never owned a Ford
automobile that didn't cause me headache and expense.:-( Go figure. So,
Willy is right, some people just get lemons while others enjoy sweet
treats. As for the power question, the two drives I have sitting here
both would use about 12 to 13 Watts according to the specs on the
labels. One is the 120 Gig I mentioned and the other is an 80 Gig.
Still, some calculators allow about 35 Watts per hard drive. I may be
wrong but, unless your system has a really low power supply rating the
other hardware such as video cards, ROMs, sound, RAM etc: may have more
to do with what your system draws. I think I have a 400W supply in my
box, so far no problems. But, lets see what happens when I pop in all
the new stuff before I upgrade to XP. I may be pushing the envelope just
a little. BTW, it's down to 14° here in "Little Rhodie" with a high of
11° for Friday. Are you sure your not shipping some punitive northern
air down to the lower 48? 8-) Anyway, good luck and keep warm.

Ed

Heather wrote:
Hi Sced....
>
> AT LAST!! I finished backing up all the mp3's......lost count of how many
> data CD's they filled.....just checked.....15 of them. Just have to do one
> more data backup and then take this machine in for the diagnosis. Boy, that
> was a royal PITA!! And I will probably never play half of them. At least I
> can get some of them off this hard drive now.
>
> As for Best Buy....we have one right here in town, with a Geek Squad, cough.
> Yet another idiot!! Señor Geek (got a spanish one, grin) didn't know ****
> all about my problems and suggested I probably had a virus and to get
> Norton. Sigh.....why are all the techs so stupid??? Do they tell males
> they have a virus??
>
> Anyway....when I spoke to Willy (the computer store owner) about hard drives
> and asked his advice on what brand, he said they were all pretty much the
> same (say, WD vs. Maxtor, etc).....just to make sure I got one with a
> warranty. He is the one who offered to put Windows on here, and said he
> would not recommend a size until he checked out my computer, due to the
> power zap.
>
> I have decided, after filling out all the dam paperwork for 3 mail-in
> rebates, that I am NEVER buying anything with them again. But I did look at
> BB a couple of weeks ago and didn't see any particularly good prices on hard
> drives. I will check again.
>
> Thanks for the info, though. Off to get caught up on life as I am tired of
> backups. One more to go and that's it for now.
>
> Cheers......Heather
>
> "looneytunes>verizone.net verizone.net >" <"looneytunes> wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Heather:
>>
>>Maybe you should check out "Best Buy" if there is one near you. I bought
>>a WD 120 GiG 7200rpm for $99.99 Jan 11. With two rebates totaling $50.
>>my net cost is $49.99 plus tax of course. One of the hardware upgrades
>>mentioned when I started the "slipstream" question. Of course, I won't
>>be having Windows loaded for me so your comfort level may be more
>>important than price.
>>
>>sced13ri
>>
>>Heather wrote:
>>
>>>>Oh, I've just realised that the 650GB I mentioned should have been 680GB
>>>
>>>(3x200GB + 1x80GB). Try hanging that lot off Win Me.<<<
>>>
>>>OK.....dibs on the 80 GB....just priced one today.
>>>
>>>Found another tech and he only charges $70? (prices downstairs) for 40
>
> GB,
>
>>>$99 for 80.....and $60 to install Windows on it.
>>>
>>>This guy actually knows the difference between XP Upgrade &
>
> Home.....lol.
>
>>>He is going to do the diagnosis for CyberPower coz...
>>>
>>>a) I trust him.....
>>>b) he is just around the corner.....
>>>c) his prices are better. (G)
>>>
>>>Only 5 gig more to back up......getting tired of this. Done 8 CD's so
>
> far.
>
>>>(8 x 700 = 5600 meg - 5.6 gig......sigh) Not to mention the Data one.
>
> I
>
>>>think the most tedious part is re-arranging the folders to fit and by
>
> genre.
>
>>>Figgs
>>>
>>>"Mike M" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Shane > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>850MHz. OK it's not pre-historic but could use the increased speed on
>>>>>occassion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>two main PCs may differ from the norm is the amount of HD disk space
>>>>>>on each (500GB on one and 650GB on the other). :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Jeez, Mike, you got the human genome on there or something???
>>>>
>>>>Just the odd video capture. :-) Much of it is "work in progress". As
>
> it
>
>>>>happens one of the 200GB drives on this box was bought as an emergency
>>>>replacement when I lost a drive due to over heating and I needed a
>
> similar
>
>>>>size drive to aid in data recovery. Since then the original drive is
>
> back
>
>>>>working OK and sitting here essentially empty (actually it's backing up
>>>>another drive).
>>>>
>>>>Oh, I've just realised that the 650GB I mentioned should have been 680GB
>>>>(3x200GB + 1x80GB). Try hanging that lot off Win Me. <g>
>>>>--
>>>>Mike Maltby MS-MVP

>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

[Mike M]

Shane,

> I love the stories about them - like how the first RAF pilots to fly
> them, used to Meteors, would find themselves going supersonic on
> take-off! I count myself lucky to have seen their airshow party-piece
> of going vertical.

I used to love going to Farnborough on the trade days in the mid 50s
through into the 60s. Some fantastic stuff used to be on display and in
those days their seemed to be new experimental aircraft built each year as
the envelope of what an aircraft could do was explored and expanded. I
remember the flying bedstead that eventually evolved into the 1127(?) and
then 1154 and finally the Harrier.

Yes, Noel and myself not only lived just a few miles apart as he was I
think in Bray and then later in Maidenhead itself not far from where I was
living but we also both went to school in Oxford. A few miles as well as
years apart though.
--
Mike


Shane > wrote:

>> The FD2 had a droop snoop as later used on Concorde. I think one may
>> still survive at Cosford (RAF Museum).
>
> Mean to go up there one day. I expect you know I live within walking
> distance of Hendon. Went there last week, in fact, for the umpteenth
> time, but museums are, you know, dead.......
>
>> but we lived not far from White Waltham which was a test field used
>> by Fairey's.
>
> If that was while Noel was at Slough, I can understand why you moved!
> <rofl.....sorry Noel, you know I can't resist!>
>
>> Oh - in case you're wondering, my father was an aircraft designer and
>> worked on the Gannet, Rotadyne, Airco 121 (better known as DH121 or
>> Trident). Airco was a short lived partnership of De Havilland,
>> Fairey and Hunting - he was responsible for the tail assembly with
>> the high tail plane, and then Scout & Wasp helicopters after the
>> merger of Shorts/Fairey etc. into Westland.
>
> Wonderful. You must have had a fascinating childhood! I didn't
> realise the Trident started as a DeHavilland. Did he have anything to
> do with the one-eleven (first plane I ever went up in)? I always
> thought they had a familial resemblance.
>
> I used to live near Lasham airport and wish I'd paid more attention
> to their Comets. It beats me why we can't keep at least one example
> of these machines in fully-working order!
>
>>
>> A flight in a Lightning must be a bit like sitting on the back of a
>> rocket on bonfire night. :-)
>> --
>
> I love the stories about them - like how the first RAF pilots to fly
> them, used to Meteors, would find themselves going supersonic on
> take-off! I count myself lucky to have seen their airshow party-piece
> of going vertical.

[Joan Archer]

I can't remember that far back what they actually manufactured but I
know there were a lot of different sized turbo's done. I mainly worked
in the fusegear shop but did do a stint in the rewinding but only on
small ones.
One of Franks brothers worked in switchgear and another in with the
big jobs. It was quite a bit place so I never got around the whole place
while I was there, it was fun though <g>
When you think about fuses now you think of those little things in plugs
but the size of some of the ones I had to make, well, you wouldn't
credit <g> I used to like it though when working on the soldering line
doing the silver ones.
Joan

Shane wrote:
> Presuming the same Brush, they were a major manufacturer of our
> diesel-electric locomotives. Didn't know about an HS connection but I
> wouldn't be surprised. Their main competitor was English Electric who not
> only made the loco that replaced steam on the East Coast Main Line
> expresses - the Deltic - but also our first in-level-flight supersonic jet,
> the Lightning (which still holds speed records for vertical flight nearly 50
> years after it entered service) and the equally old Canberra jet bomber that
> is still in service as a reconnaissance aircraft and pretty-much unsurpassed
> in it's role. God what an anorak I've become!
>
>
> Shane

[Joan Archer]

ROFL
He must have gone to bed and missed that one Shane <g>
Joan

Shane wrote:

>
> If that was while Noel was at Slough, I can understand why you moved!
> <rofl.....sorry Noel, you know I can't resist!>
>

[Joan Archer]

<lol> I'm in too much pain at the moment to do anything else but
*gracefully* it's a good job I don't have to stand to use this thing or
I'd never be here <g>
Joan

Heather wrote:
> Growing old......not quite sure about *gracefully*, lol. But it sure beats
> the alternative!!!!
>
> Actually, my younger sister (2 years younger) has more wrinkles than I do,
> but she is also a few stone lighter. Pays to have chubby cheeks!!
>
> Cheers.....Heather
>

[Shane]

My Mum and Dad both used to work for Dowty's, then Smiths. She was certainly
on soldering while he was a turner (made me some great bits for my first
motorbikes!). Dowty's was, afaik, before I was born - my Dad has mentioned
seeing them test flying what sounds like Gloster Javellins next door. When I
took him to Hendon he got a bollocking for walking onto the bit we plebs are
supposed to stay off of, to take a look at the Lightning undercarriage and
confirm that it was Dowty. The era I remember though is when they were at
Smiths in Basingstoke - we lived in a road that was originally built by
Smiths for the workforce (weren't bad houses either). It was a pretty big
factory and they were providing instruments for Concorde and the Harrier.
Now the factory site is a retail park. Of course, the clocks on most of the
British bikes I've worked on were Smiths, but by the mid-seventies Triumph
(well, NVT) were buying Italian.

South-West Trains - who run the Southern Region services out of Waterloo -
are buying a billion pounds worth of new rolling stock, from Siemens of
Germany/Austria.

I think about the only healthy manufacturing industry we have left is
armaments. No wonder Blair's so keen on war!


Shane


"Joan Archer" > wrote in message
...
> I can't remember that far back what they actually manufactured but I
> know there were a lot of different sized turbo's done. I mainly worked
> in the fusegear shop but did do a stint in the rewinding but only on
> small ones.
> One of Franks brothers worked in switchgear and another in with the
> big jobs. It was quite a bit place so I never got around the whole place
> while I was there, it was fun though <g>
> When you think about fuses now you think of those little things in plugs
> but the size of some of the ones I had to make, well, you wouldn't
> credit <g> I used to like it though when working on the soldering line
> doing the silver ones.
> Joan
>
> Shane wrote:
> > Presuming the same Brush, they were a major manufacturer of our
> > diesel-electric locomotives. Didn't know about an HS connection but I
> > wouldn't be surprised. Their main competitor was English Electric who
not
> > only made the loco that replaced steam on the East Coast Main Line
> > expresses - the Deltic - but also our first in-level-flight supersonic
jet,
> > the Lightning (which still holds speed records for vertical flight
nearly 50
> > years after it entered service) and the equally old Canberra jet bomber
that
> > is still in service as a reconnaissance aircraft and pretty-much
unsurpassed
> > in it's role. God what an anorak I've become!
> >
> >
> > Shane