task scheduler service not running , run tasks individually

[bonifacia]

message pops up before i can log on: task scheduler service not running , run
task my defrag goes to 0 /scan disk stops does not complete / pchealth also
not running . until I click Run.I recently upgraded my NAV2001 to NIS2005
Upgrade. prior to this I had no problems with task scheduler.

[Mike M]

Few if any Symantec products are compatible with Win Me and certainly not
NIS2005. As long as you have NIS2005 installed you can expect to see
problems such as you report plus others.

Incidentally can you explain exactly what you mean by PCHealth not
running? If you mean the PCHealth Scheduler for Data Collection which
depends on the Task Scheduler then that is no loss since the data
collected is of little or no use and not used by Win Me. This won't
interfere with the operation of either System Restore or System File
Protection although NIS2005 and LiveUpdate may possibly destroy both at
some time in the future.

PCHealth Scheduler for Data Collection:
The PCHealth entry in MSConfig | Startup and also in the Task Scheduler,
refers to the PCHealth Scheduler for Data Collection routine (pchschd.exe)
which launches winmgmt.exe to collect software and hardware configuration
data that can be accessed using Help & Support's System Information's
History view. In other words it allows you to see changes over a period of
time to your system such as drivers. The details collected are contained
in the files CollectedData???.xml files in the folder
...\windows\pchealth\helpctr\DataColl.

Note that all that pchschd.exe is doing every ten minutes is checking if
the system is idle or not. If idle it launches winmgmt.exe to collect the
information and sets itself to run again in 6 hours, if not it continues
to run at ten minute intervals until it finds the system is idle.

As to whether you need this historic data or not, only you can decide. A
number of us have long since decided to disable pchschd.exe having no use
for the collected data. It should be noted that if you contact MS or an
OEM for help that it is possible that they might request you send them
these files. If you do choose to disable pchschd.exe it is ESSENTIAL to
delete/disable it from both MSConfig | Startup and the Task Scheduler as
otherwise the startup entry will recreate the Task Scheduler entry when
the system is rebooted.

One advantage of disabling the PCHealth Scheduler is that it minimizes the
chances of winmgmt.exe causing problems. What happens is that quite often
winmgmt.exe doesn't exit correctly when it has finished but instead
remains resident and using cpu cycles.

Note also that disabling these entries does NOT affect either System
Restore or System File Protect, nor AutoUpdate or your ability to use Help
& Support, all part of what Microsoft call "PCHealth".
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP


bonifacia > wrote:

> message pops up before i can log on: task scheduler service not
> running , run task my defrag goes to 0 /scan disk stops does not
> complete / pchealth also not running . until I click Run.I recently
> upgraded my NAV2001 to NIS2005 Upgrade. prior to this I had no
> problems with task scheduler.

[bonifacia]

Yes it is PCHealth Scheduler for Data Col... In task scheduler next to
PCHealth the word :( missing ) appears. Then I click Run, which then changes
time when it should run again automatically. Q. will that resolve the degra
and Scan problem. Also do you mean Run>msconfig>startup and ........what
delete or clear?
If NIS2005is not compatible with Winme then what is, how can i protect my pc?
By the way Thanks Mike :) Really.
I typed this twice ,my reply was not working..now it is.

"Mike M" wrote:

> Few if any Symantec products are compatible with Win Me and certainly not
> NIS2005. As long as you have NIS2005 installed you can expect to see
> problems such as you report plus others.
>
> Incidentally can you explain exactly what you mean by PCHealth not
> running? If you mean the PCHealth Scheduler for Data Collection which
> depends on the Task Scheduler then that is no loss since the data
> collected is of little or no use and not used by Win Me. This won't
> interfere with the operation of either System Restore or System File
> Protection although NIS2005 and LiveUpdate may possibly destroy both at
> some time in the future.
>
> PCHealth Scheduler for Data Collection:
> The PCHealth entry in MSConfig | Startup and also in the Task Scheduler,
> refers to the PCHealth Scheduler for Data Collection routine (pchschd.exe)
> which launches winmgmt.exe to collect software and hardware configuration
> data that can be accessed using Help & Support's System Information's
> History view. In other words it allows you to see changes over a period of
> time to your system such as drivers. The details collected are contained
> in the files CollectedData???.xml files in the folder
> ...\windows\pchealth\helpctr\DataColl.
>
> Note that all that pchschd.exe is doing every ten minutes is checking if
> the system is idle or not. If idle it launches winmgmt.exe to collect the
> information and sets itself to run again in 6 hours, if not it continues
> to run at ten minute intervals until it finds the system is idle.
>
> As to whether you need this historic data or not, only you can decide. A
> number of us have long since decided to disable pchschd.exe having no use
> for the collected data. It should be noted that if you contact MS or an
> OEM for help that it is possible that they might request you send them
> these files. If you do choose to disable pchschd.exe it is ESSENTIAL to
> delete/disable it from both MSConfig | Startup and the Task Scheduler as
> otherwise the startup entry will recreate the Task Scheduler entry when
> the system is rebooted.
>
> One advantage of disabling the PCHealth Scheduler is that it minimizes the
> chances of winmgmt.exe causing problems. What happens is that quite often
> winmgmt.exe doesn't exit correctly when it has finished but instead
> remains resident and using cpu cycles.
>
> Note also that disabling these entries does NOT affect either System
> Restore or System File Protect, nor AutoUpdate or your ability to use Help
> & Support, all part of what Microsoft call "PCHealth".
> --
> Mike Maltby MS-MVP
>
>
> bonifacia > wrote:
>
> > message pops up before i can log on: task scheduler service not
> > running , run task my defrag goes to 0 /scan disk stops does not
> > complete / pchealth also not running . until I click Run.I recently
> > upgraded my NAV2001 to NIS2005 Upgrade. prior to this I had no
> > problems with task scheduler.
>
>

[Mike M]

Did you read my post about the PCHealth Scheduler. This is a totally
unnecessary entry and is not required for the proper and efficient use of
Win Me. Personally I would remove it from both the Task Scheduler and
also uncheck the entry in MSConfig | Startup.

> If NIS2005is not compatible with Winme then what is

Anything that does not include the word Symantec in its name. There are
many alternatives none as bad or as damaging as NIS which given a chance
will destroy your PC and make it unusable. An extreme comment but
unfortunately not an exaggeration as may be quickly ascertained by reading
these Win Me newsgroups.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



bonifacia > wrote:

> Yes it is PCHealth Scheduler for Data Col... In task scheduler next to
> PCHealth the word :( missing ) appears. Then I click Run, which then
> changes time when it should run again automatically. Q. will that
> resolve the degra and Scan problem. Also do you mean
> Run>msconfig>startup and ........what delete or clear?
> If NIS2005is not compatible with Winme then what is, how can i
> protect my pc? By the way Thanks Mike :) Really.
> I typed this twice ,my reply was not working..now it is.

[bonifacia]

under what heading or newsgroup would i find the reason for the following:
searching in computer folders > c: programs>windows>task all the task
fileicons have a red circle w/an x on them. should that be a concern?

"bonifacia" wrote:

> message pops up before i can log on: task scheduler service not running , run
> task my defrag goes to 0 /scan disk stops does not complete / pchealth also
> not running . until I click Run.I recently upgraded my NAV2001 to NIS2005
> Upgrade. prior to this I had no problems with task scheduler.

[bonifacia]

continued Task Scheduler Service not running message greets me , again
MaintenanceScan disk, Symantec NetDetect continue to have the word "missed"
under status. not running on scheduled time.
Q. Scheduled Task the sm pictures each picture have what appears to have a
small circle-clock. When I click on toolbar Folders I searched in TASK Folder
these same pictures appear with a red-circle and a white x in the middle
???? somebody please explain.


"Mike M" wrote:

> Did you read my post about the PCHealth Scheduler. This is a totally
> unnecessary entry and is not required for the proper and efficient use of
> Win Me. Personally I would remove it from both the Task Scheduler and
> also uncheck the entry in MSConfig | Startup.
>
> > If NIS2005is not compatible with Winme then what is
>
> Anything that does not include the word Symantec in its name. There are
> many alternatives none as bad or as damaging as NIS which given a chance
> will destroy your PC and make it unusable. An extreme comment but
> unfortunately not an exaggeration as may be quickly ascertained by reading
> these Win Me newsgroups.
> --
> Mike Maltby MS-MVP
>
>
>
> bonifacia > wrote:
>
> > Yes it is PCHealth Scheduler for Data Col... In task scheduler next to
> > PCHealth the word :( missing ) appears. Then I click Run, which then
> > changes time when it should run again automatically. Q. will that
> > resolve the degra and Scan problem. Also do you mean
> > Run>msconfig>startup and ........what delete or clear?
> > If NIS2005is not compatible with Winme then what is, how can i
> > protect my pc? By the way Thanks Mike :) Really.
> > I typed this twice ,my reply was not working..now it is.
>
>

[Jack E Martinelli]

Examine your msconfig / Startup tab to see if the red-marked referenced
programs have been disabled there.
If so, you will have to decide if you wish to reenable them.
I recommend doing so ONLY if you really need the function.

--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"bonifacia" > wrote in message
...
> under what heading or newsgroup would i find the reason for the following:
> searching in computer folders > c: programs>windows>task all the task
> fileicons have a red circle w/an x on them. should that be a concern?
>
> "bonifacia" wrote:
>
> > message pops up before i can log on: task scheduler service not running
, run
> > task my defrag goes to 0 /scan disk stops does not complete / pchealth
also
> > not running . until I click Run.I recently upgraded my NAV2001 to
NIS2005
> > Upgrade. prior to this I had no problems with task scheduler.

[Mike M]

Use system restore to roll your back to a checkpoint created when all was
working or, far better, before you installed NIS2005.

Forget about the red circles, since you have already said, the task
scheduler isn't working so it is, IMO, pointless looking at the schedules
in the task folder. It should be fairly obvious, or it is to me, that
none of your scheduled tasks are likely to be working until you get the
Task Scheduler back up and working.

See MS KB 215937 - "Task Scheduler Service Does Not Start"
(http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=215937) for one possibility as to why
the Task Scheduler service is not running.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



bonifacia > wrote:

> continued Task Scheduler Service not running message greets me ,
> again MaintenanceScan disk, Symantec NetDetect continue to have the
> word "missed" under status. not running on scheduled time.
> Q. Scheduled Task the sm pictures each picture have what appears to
> have a small circle-clock. When I click on toolbar Folders I searched
> in TASK Folder these same pictures appear with a red-circle and a
> white x in the middle ???? somebody please explain.

[bonifacia]

I had notice the red-marked couple days back.
msconfig/ Startup under what Name? there is lot checked off which one are
you referring to ..
In c: they appear under Win /Task folder .
Q. in c: disk what folder is scheduled task in?

"Jack E Martinelli" wrote:

> Examine your msconfig / Startup tab to see if the red-marked referenced
> programs have been disabled there.
> If so, you will have to decide if you wish to reenable them.
> I recommend doing so ONLY if you really need the function.
>
> --
> Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
> Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> ------
> "bonifacia" > wrote in message
> ...
> > under what heading or newsgroup would i find the reason for the following:
> > searching in computer folders > c: programs>windows>task all the task
> > fileicons have a red circle w/an x on them. should that be a concern?
> >
> > "bonifacia" wrote:
> >
> > > message pops up before i can log on: task scheduler service not running
> , run
> > > task my defrag goes to 0 /scan disk stops does not complete / pchealth
> also
> > > not running . until I click Run.I recently upgraded my NAV2001 to
> NIS2005
> > > Upgrade. prior to this I had no problems with task scheduler.
>
>
>

[Jack E Martinelli]

Please compare the list of items in ...Windows\Tasks with those in
msconfig/Startup.
Note which of the red-marked ones are also not enabled to launch at boot in
msconfig/Startup.
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"bonifacia" > wrote in message
...
> I had notice the red-marked couple days back.
> msconfig/ Startup under what Name? there is lot checked off which one are
> you referring to ..
> In c: they appear under Win /Task folder .
> Q. in c: disk what folder is scheduled task in?
>
> "Jack E Martinelli" wrote:
>
> > Examine your msconfig / Startup tab to see if the red-marked referenced
> > programs have been disabled there.
> > If so, you will have to decide if you wish to reenable them.
> > I recommend doing so ONLY if you really need the function.
> >
> > --
> > Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> > Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
> > Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> > ------
> > "bonifacia" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > under what heading or newsgroup would i find the reason for the
following:
> > > searching in computer folders > c: programs>windows>task all the task
> > > fileicons have a red circle w/an x on them. should that be a concern?
> > >
> > > "bonifacia" wrote:
> > >
> > > > message pops up before i can log on: task scheduler service not
running
> > , run
> > > > task my defrag goes to 0 /scan disk stops does not complete /
pchealth
> > also
> > > > not running . until I click Run.I recently upgraded my NAV2001 to
> > NIS2005
> > > > Upgrade. prior to this I had no problems with task scheduler.
> >
> >
> >

[bonifacia]

ok i am really trying to get a handle on what has been obviously
repeated....... i hope it s me but, when i click start click run/type
msconfig click tab startup what? look for what.... the items in
windows/task are the following: disk defrag,maintenance cleanup, maintenance,
tune up application (all with red-marks).those do not appear in the above.
thanks appreciate help. the only other startup I see is when i click programs
and scroll up to Startup>empty.

"Jack E Martinelli" wrote:

> Please compare the list of items in ...Windows\Tasks with those in
> msconfig/Startup.
> Note which of the red-marked ones are also not enabled to launch at boot in
> msconfig/Startup.
> --
> Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
> Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> ------
> "bonifacia" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I had notice the red-marked couple days back.
> > msconfig/ Startup under what Name? there is lot checked off which one are
> > you referring to ..
> > In c: they appear under Win /Task folder .
> > Q. in c: disk what folder is scheduled task in?
> >
> > "Jack E Martinelli" wrote:
> >
> > > Examine your msconfig / Startup tab to see if the red-marked referenced
> > > programs have been disabled there.
> > > If so, you will have to decide if you wish to reenable them.
> > > I recommend doing so ONLY if you really need the function.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> > > Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
> > >
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
> > > Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> > > ------
> > > "bonifacia" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > under what heading or newsgroup would i find the reason for the
> following:
> > > > searching in computer folders > c: programs>windows>task all the task
> > > > fileicons have a red circle w/an x on them. should that be a concern?
> > > >
> > > > "bonifacia" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > message pops up before i can log on: task scheduler service not
> running
> > > , run
> > > > > task my defrag goes to 0 /scan disk stops does not complete /
> pchealth
> > > also
> > > > > not running . until I click Run.I recently upgraded my NAV2001 to
> > > NIS2005
> > > > > Upgrade. prior to this I had no problems with task scheduler.
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>

[Mike M]

Since the task scheduler is not running ALL tasks in the task folder will
be disabled, hence the red marks.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



bonifacia > wrote:

> ok i am really trying to get a handle on what has been obviously
> repeated....... i hope it s me but, when i click start click run/type
> msconfig click tab startup what? look for what.... the items in
> windows/task are the following: disk defrag,maintenance cleanup,
> maintenance, tune up application (all with red-marks).those do not
> appear in the above. thanks appreciate help. the only other startup I
> see is when i click programs and scroll up to Startup>empty.

[bonifacia]

brilliant. mvg fwrd. Q. how?
sym's out ... nav 2001/2005 still lingers.
Can pchealth be disable in mscg/stup
the pchschd.exe file in system.need it?
ran defrag. running :) zzzzzz got the best of me..did not compl / slowww.
do today.
thanks.thanks thanks... hearts beating again.
came across disc etrust EZAmor Le trial recvd yr ago. never used it.???


"Mike M" wrote:

> Since the task scheduler is not running ALL tasks in the task folder will
> be disabled, hence the red marks.
> --
> Mike Maltby MS-MVP
>
>
>
> bonifacia > wrote:
>
> > ok i am really trying to get a handle on what has been obviously
> > repeated....... i hope it s me but, when i click start click run/type
> > msconfig click tab startup what? look for what.... the items in
> > windows/task are the following: disk defrag,maintenance cleanup,
> > maintenance, tune up application (all with red-marks).those do not
> > appear in the above. thanks appreciate help. the only other startup I
> > see is when i click programs and scroll up to Startup>empty.
>
>

[Mike M]

I posted yesterday bit it appears you may not have seen:

"Use system restore to roll your back to a checkpoint created when all was
working or, far better, before you installed NIS2005.

Forget about the red circles, since you have already said, the task
scheduler isn't working so it is, IMO, pointless looking at the schedules
in the task folder. It should be fairly obvious, or it is to me, that
none of your scheduled tasks are likely to be working until you get the
Task Scheduler back up and working.

See MS KB 215937 - "Task Scheduler Service Does Not Start"
(http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=215937) for one possibility as to why
the Task Scheduler service is not running."

Moving on:
PCHealth. Again I posted details yesterday of how to disable the PCHealth
Scheduler for Data Collection. You do NOT need to run this application.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



bonifacia > wrote:

> brilliant. mvg fwrd. Q. how?
> sym's out ... nav 2001/2005 still lingers.
> Can pchealth be disable in mscg/stup
> the pchschd.exe file in system.need it?
> ran defrag. running :) zzzzzz got the best of me..did not compl /
> slowww. do today.
> thanks.thanks thanks... hearts beating again.
> came across disc etrust EZAmor Le trial recvd yr ago. never used
> it.???

[bonifacia]

looked in msconfig/startup (what am i looking for?)the files in c:windows
task
disk defragmenter,
maintenance-disk cleanup,
maintenance scan disk, tune-up appl start.
where in msconfig/startup are they.
also in c disk fat32 In Label which was blank i created a word ... thank you
"bonifacia" wrote:

> message pops up before i can log on: task scheduler service not running , run
> task my defrag goes to 0 /scan disk stops does not complete / pchealth also
> not running . until I click Run.I recently upgraded my NAV2001 to NIS2005
> Upgrade. prior to this I had no problems with task scheduler.