Installing W98 SE update--What hints?

[Kirk Bubul]

I will shortly travel to my sister's, where she has a Dell with
Windows 98. Since I want to add Norton Internet Security 2005, and
since that program requires having W98 SE on the machine, I will take
my old SE update CDROM with me and install it.

Question: What hints, preliminary steps, procedures, etc. should I
apply when I install the SE package?

Thanks in advance for the help.

[PCR]

Following are the replies you missed the first time here. But it would
be best to find that thread here.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&threadm=m9cio01i8710fri47s0ktqm9ibjb219rhk%404ax.c om&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DI%2Bwill%2Bshortly%2Btravel%2Bto%2Bmy %2Bsister%27s%252C%2Bwhere%2Bshe%2Bhas%2Ba%2BDell% 2Bwith%26hl%3Den%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch


To connect directly to this NG, copy the following into your browser's
Address Bar. After this, you will no longer need to connect through the
CDO. You will use Outlook Express to access the NG.

news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
However,
(1) At "OE, Tools menu, Message Rules, News", create a Message Rule to
delete posts older than, say, 10 days. Also check "stop processing more
rules".
(2) At "Tools, Options, Read tab", uncheck "Get xxx headers at a time".
(3) R-Clk the NG in the left pane, Synchronize Settings, set to All
Messages.
(4) Click "Tools, Synchronize Newsgroup"

(Now, it is a bit tricky. When I click one of those things, it gets
right to it. One really need stop it & get that rule in. I do believe,
it will then not download older than the rule specifies.)

Posts older than 10 days will not download. Posts that age on your
machine after the download are your responsibility to delete, by
occasionally going to that rule & clicking "Apply Now". After that,
compact: "OE, File menu, Folder, Compact all folders".

Colorado disagrees, but there is a cave-dwelling MVP around, who says...

(1) "OE, Tools, Options, Maintenance tab".
(2) Uncheck "Delete news messages x days after being downloaded".
(3) Uncheck "Compact messages in the background".

http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/resources.htm#setupmsnews
Manual Instructions to connect
http://users.westelcom.com/rogersr/setupoe.htm Read this about it too
http://www.dts-l.org/ This too


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Kirk Bubul" > wrote in message
...
| I will shortly travel to my sister's, where she has a Dell with
| Windows 98. Since I want to add Norton Internet Security 2005, and
| since that program requires having W98 SE on the machine, I will take
| my old SE update CDROM with me and install it.
|
| Question: What hints, preliminary steps, procedures, etc. should I
| apply when I install the SE package?
|
| Thanks in advance for the help.

[Kirk Bubul]

On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:48:38 -0500, in
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion you wrote:

>Following are the replies you missed the first time here. But it would
>be best to find that thread here.
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&threadm=m9cio01i8710fri47s0ktqm9ibjb219rhk%404ax.c om&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DI%2Bwill%2Bshortly%2Btravel%2Bto%2Bmy %2Bsister%27s%252C%2Bwhere%2Bshe%2Bhas%2Ba%2BDell% 2Bwith%26hl%3Den%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch
>
>
>To connect directly to this NG, copy the following into your browser's
>Address Bar. After this, you will no longer need to connect through the
>CDO. You will use Outlook Express to access the NG.

Went there and read the three messages. Thanks.

Do I recall correctly that the SE update contains IE 5.0, and that, if
I have already installed IE 6.0 on my sister's W98 machine, I have to
remove IE 6.0 before installing SE and reinstalling IE 6.0?

[PCR]

I fear you are asking the wrong person, as I am Compaq & never did that.
STILL...

(a) Right, It's highly unlikely the "Update" disk or any of the others
will have IE6 on it, might even be IE4 on some of them.
(b) Not only IE6, but any large app probably is at some risk, whenever
any big thing is done.
(c) The catch 22 of it is... un/reinstalling the large apps can itself
be asking for trouble.

This is why it is always best to have a full system backup to run to.
Would you like my list of apps? Never mind, here they are...

Once you have a functioning system, especially one close to a clean
install, do a full system backup. If you have multiple partitions, I
guess a backup is a bit more complex. It depends upon the ties between
the Registry & the other partitions, as to whether they must be backed
up concurrently. Also, if you've changed the hardware since the backup,
you may need to change it back before a restore.

http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/index.html Backup & partitioning strategy
http://home.wanadoo.nl/geurt/home.html Extended Operating System Loader
http://powerquest.com/driveimage/ Drive Image
http://www.acronis.com/products/trueimage/ TrueImage
http://www.arjsoftware.com ARJ Archiver
http://www.betterbackup.com/ Retrospect CD Backup
http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
capabilities: Copy to HDD, or Image to HDD or to CD. (TBIView, freely
downloadable, can retrieve individual files from an Image.)
Shrink/expand your partitions without data loss. Multi-boot, if you
dare. Free, run from floppy, but pay up as I did if satisfied. To
install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
http://www.cdrfaq.org/ CD R/W Backup
http://www.cyberiapc.com/backup.htm MyOwnBackup (MOB) (Free)
http://www.han-soft.com/habt.php Auto Backup (30-day free trial)
http://www.hp.com/cgi-bin/cposupport/swdl.pl?c=co105&i=co105en&p=hpcdwriter2
Simple Backup
http://www.karenware.com/ PtReplicator (Free)
http://www.lifesaverbackup.com/
http://www.mvps.org/links.html Should have good info
http://www.pcmag.com/ Lots & lots of sturdy downloads. There is a $20
yearly charge now.
http://www.powerquest.com/partitionmagic Partition Magic
http://www.ranish.com/part/ Ranish Partition Manager
http://www.rescue-me.net/gold.html
http://www.simtel.net/pub/dl/58307.shtml Backups
http://www.stompinc.com/bump/bump_details.phtml?stp Backup MyPC
http://www.thirdstar.net/thirdstar_datarecovery.htm Data recovery
http://www.tomsterdam.com/ BU process, performance, etc.
http://www.v-com.com/product/pc_ind.html Partition Commander
http://www.veritas.com Backup apps
http://www.xxcopy.com/ Detailed Procedure Copy (Free)
http://www.zeleps.com/ Partition re-sizer (Free)

All gathered at this site. Whichever you choose, approach it carefully
and verify all is well. After making a copy, run Scandisk/Defrag on it.
If it's an Image, use it's verify option; perhaps, restore it and do a
Scandisk/Defrag.

http://www.pchelpandconsulting.com/links/windows.html WinDrvExpert
http://www.jermar.com/wdrvbck.htm WinDrvBckup free version

Those last two supposedly back up all currently installed drivers, such
that they can be reinstalled. I never tried it but have seen a favorable
report.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Kirk Bubul" > wrote in message
...
| On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:48:38 -0500, in
| microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion you wrote:
|
| >Following are the replies you missed the first time here. But it
would
| >be best to find that thread here.
| >
|
>http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&threadm=m9cio01i8710
fri47s0ktqm9ibjb219rhk%404ax.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DI%2Bwill%2Bsh
ortly%2Btravel%2Bto%2Bmy%2Bsister%27s%252C%2Bwhere %2Bshe%2Bhas%2Ba%2BDel
l%2Bwith%26hl%3Den%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch
| >
| >
| >To connect directly to this NG, copy the following into your
browser's
| >Address Bar. After this, you will no longer need to connect through
the
| >CDO. You will use Outlook Express to access the NG.
|
| Went there and read the three messages. Thanks.
|
| Do I recall correctly that the SE update contains IE 5.0, and that, if
| I have already installed IE 6.0 on my sister's W98 machine, I have to
| remove IE 6.0 before installing SE and reinstalling IE 6.0?

[Bill in Co.]

Kirk Bubul wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:48:38 -0500, in
> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion you wrote:
>
>> Following are the replies you missed the first time here. But it would
>> be best to find that thread here.
>>
>>
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&threadm=m9cio01i8710fri47
s0ktqm9ibjb219rhk%404ax.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DI%2Bwill%2Bshortly%2Bt
ravel%2Bto%2Bmy%2Bsister%27s%252C%2Bwhere%2Bshe%2B has%2Ba%2BDell%2Bwith%26hl
%3Den%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch
>>
>>
>> To connect directly to this NG, copy the following into your browser's
>> Address Bar. After this, you will no longer need to connect through the
>> CDO. You will use Outlook Express to access the NG.
>
> Went there and read the three messages. Thanks.
>
> Do I recall correctly that the SE update contains IE 5.0, and that, if
> I have already installed IE 6.0 on my sister's W98 machine, I have to
> remove IE 6.0 before installing SE and reinstalling IE 6.0?

I believe that is correct, and the correct procedure (to avoid some problems
that might otherwise result).

[Bill in Co.]

You know, maybe Gary or one of the others in here can answer this
definitively, but I really wonder exactly what would happen IF one did
attempt to install Win98SE over a system with IE 6 already on it. Any
chance of NOT having to do a clean reinstall of Windows?

Bill in Co. wrote:
> Kirk Bubul wrote:
>> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:48:38 -0500, in
>> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion you wrote:
>>
>>> Following are the replies you missed the first time here. But it would
>>> be best to find that thread here.
>>>
>>>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&threadm=m9cio01i8710fri47
>
s0ktqm9ibjb219rhk%404ax.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DI%2Bwill%2Bshortly%2Bt
>
ravel%2Bto%2Bmy%2Bsister%27s%252C%2Bwhere%2Bshe%2B has%2Ba%2BDell%2Bwith%26hl
> %3Den%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch
>>>
>>>
>>> To connect directly to this NG, copy the following into your browser's
>>> Address Bar. After this, you will no longer need to connect through the
>>> CDO. You will use Outlook Express to access the NG.
>>
>> Went there and read the three messages. Thanks.
>>
>> Do I recall correctly that the SE update contains IE 5.0, and that, if
>> I have already installed IE 6.0 on my sister's W98 machine, I have to
>> remove IE 6.0 before installing SE and reinstalling IE 6.0?
>
> I believe that is correct, and the correct procedure (to avoid some
problems
> that might otherwise result).

[Haggis]

"Bill in Co." > wrote in message
...
> You know, maybe Gary or one of the others in here can answer this
> definitively, but I really wonder exactly what would happen IF one did
> attempt to install Win98SE over a system with IE 6 already on it. Any
> chance of NOT having to do a clean reinstall of Windows?
>
> Bill in Co. wrote:
>> Kirk Bubul wrote:
>>> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:48:38 -0500, in
>>> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Following are the replies you missed the first time here. But it would
>>>> be best to find that thread here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&threadm=m9cio01i8710fri47
>>
> s0ktqm9ibjb219rhk%404ax.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DI%2Bwill%2Bshortly%2Bt
>>
> ravel%2Bto%2Bmy%2Bsister%27s%252C%2Bwhere%2Bshe%2B has%2Ba%2BDell%2Bwith%26hl
>> %3Den%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To connect directly to this NG, copy the following into your browser's
>>>> Address Bar. After this, you will no longer need to connect through
>>>> the
>>>> CDO. You will use Outlook Express to access the NG.
>>>
>>> Went there and read the three messages. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Do I recall correctly that the SE update contains IE 5.0, and that, if
>>> I have already installed IE 6.0 on my sister's W98 machine, I have to
>>> remove IE 6.0 before installing SE and reinstalling IE 6.0?
>>
>> I believe that is correct, and the correct procedure (to avoid some
> problems
>> that might otherwise result).
>
>

I have done it ...IE 6 will have to be reinstalled ( had to uninstall and
reinstall)